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Colville

its 8.38!
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August 12, 2012 8:38am
MT_Tinman

Colville (251) Says:
August 12th, 2012 at 8:38 am
its 8.38!

Not now it isn’t.
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August 12, 2012 8:42am
Redbaiter

What is Mr. Farrar going to post today then?

The usual crap about what the Marxist mainstream media said about this or that??

Or that some group of Progressives somewhere thought that some attack on our traditions was a good idea?

And how in the main he agrees with their comments / ideas?

Really, who cares?

I’m so sick of fake right wingers (like Cactus Kate, Whale and David Farrar) who in the main would only need to adjust their policy on economics slightly to fit all so comfortably into the progressive wing of the Labour Party.
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August 12, 2012 8:49am
Fletch

News out today is that Romney has chosen Paul Ryan as a running mate.

I don’t know a whole lot about him, but here is VIDEO of him back in 2010 taking apart (pretty much destroying) ObamaCare – showing how they are hiding the real costs and how much it is really going to cost the country long term etc – Obama does NOT look happy….lol. I guess it’s like that when someone shows the con you’re pulling. Obama managed to get it through anyway, largely by bribery and conman-ship.
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August 12, 2012 8:53am
Luke Mutton

Yep, Ryan will make a great running mate for Mittens – liars in a pod.

I guess that “Obamacare” is just like the socialist Israeli health system Mittens was praising last week.

And Ryan voted for every deficit increasing tax cut Bush proposed, as well as Medicare Part D.

It looks as though Ryan will help Mittens win Oklahoma while they lose Florida. Nice one, Mittens.
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August 12, 2012 9:04am
thedavincimode

The second ten year phase of the Great Bloggers 20 year strategic plan moves up yet another gear.

One question oh Mighty Blogger; why didn’t you go for a thirty year strategic plan? It’s not as if you would have had to develop any new material.
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August 12, 2012 9:07am
Fletch

Luke, ObamaCare isn’t going to fix the problem. Socialising health care never is. It’s going to cost the country trillions and maybe destroy it – but perhaps that’s what O-bummer wants.

It’s interesting to see that there is no positive “hope and change” campaign this year. This president has no record to run on. All his ads are about smearing Romney, with what turn out to be lies that even the Left is critical of.
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August 12, 2012 9:09am
Redbaiter

Paul Ryan is a devout Catholic.
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August 12, 2012 9:12am
big bruv

“Paul Ryan is a devout Catholic.”

Oh well, that has just confirmed a second term for Obama.
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August 12, 2012 9:17am
Michael

Matt McCarten points out the elephant in the room for Labour – changing leaders won’t fix the lacklustre performance of David Parker (Finance), David Cunliffe (Economic Development), Jacinda Ardern (Social Welfare) and Marian Street (Health).

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10826293
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August 12, 2012 9:18am
kowtow

I used to call Luke Mutton chops etc

In view of the foregoing I reckon he can now be christened Luke mittens,hoist by his own petard. Goose/gander.
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August 12, 2012 9:20am
southtop

Rodney Hide nails the treaty trough in todays herald. The Waitangi Tribunal is our Babylonian priesthood.
Sorry no link; on a mobile toy
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August 12, 2012 9:22am
Luke Mutton

Fletch, stick to the point, this isn’t about Obama, it is about Mittens and Ryan and their lies

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the G.D.P. in Israel? Eight percent,” he said. “You spend eight percent of G.D.P. on health care. You’re a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18 percent of our G.D.P. on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of G.D.P. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

That was Mittens, in July, in Israel, praising a universal health care system that delivers lower costs, better outcomes and a healthier nation.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/07/30/604111/romney-individual-mandate-israel/?mobile=nc

To be fair to Romney, though, there is one major difference between Israel’s system and Obama’s health care reform bill — it wasn’t thought up by a black guy.
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August 12, 2012 9:26am
Luke Mutton

Redbaiter (416) Says:
August 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Paul Ryan is a devout Catholic.

He can be forgien for that.

His bigger problem is that he is a Randroid.

Paul Ryan, the Republican Party’s latest entrant in the seemingly endless series of young, prickish, over-coiffed, anal-retentive deficit Robespierres they’ve sent to the political center stage in the last decade or so, has come out with his new budget plan. All of these smug little jerks look alike to me – from Ralph Reed to Eric Cantor to Jeb Hensarling to Rand Paul and now to Ryan, they all look like overgrown kids who got nipple-twisted in the halls in high school, worked as Applebee’s shift managers in college, and are now taking revenge on the world as grownups by defunding hospice care and student loans and Sesame Street. They all look like they sleep with their ties on, and keep their feet in dress socks when doing their bi-monthly duty with their wives.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/tax-cuts-for-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-class-or-paul-ryan-has-balls-20110407#ixzz23H8fFX2D
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August 12, 2012 9:29am
Sofia

Redbaiter – Paul Ryan may be a devout Catholic, but just what does that mean when he seems to piss off a considerable number of Catholic Hierarchy

WASHINGTON (RNS) A week after House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan claimed his Catholic faith inspired the Republicans’ cost-cutting budget plan, the nation’s Catholic bishops reiterated their demand that the federal budget protect the poor, and said the GOP measure “fails to meet these moral criteria.”
That and other strongly-worded judgments on the GOP budget proposal flew in a flurry of letters from leading bishops to the chairmen of key congressional committee.
The letters to Capitol Hill were highlighted in a Tuesday (April 17) statement from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops that came after Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican and rising conservative hero, told an interviewer last week (April 10) that his fiscal views were informed by Catholic social teaching.
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August 12, 2012 9:37am
Redbaiter

Paul Ryan is a Libertarian who (reportedly) once exhorted all who worked for him to read “Atlas Shrugged”. (needs substantiation)
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August 12, 2012 9:40am
Hamnida

This is a good website for viewing polls and the electoral college.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/july-24-the-incredibly-steady-presidential-race/

Don’t know if Romney can win Florida or Ohio.
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August 12, 2012 9:42am
Redbaiter

Paul Ryan will really screw with the heads of most of the God Hating Marxists/ Libertarians/ Queers and other assorted Progressives who dominate this blog.
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August 12, 2012 9:43am
wat dabney

How so, Redbaiter?
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August 12, 2012 9:44am
tom hunter

Fletch, stick to the point, this isn’t about Obama, it is about Mittens and Ryan and their lies

Shorter Luke: I don’t accept that debate framing. Here’s the debate framing I want to talk about.

With 8.3% unemployment, the lowest workforce participation rate in over three decades, and the worst recovery from a recession in post-WWII, of course Obambi wants to talk about anything, absolutely anything, other than the economy.

I wonder if Luke is simply a reincarnation of the sad, teary-eyed figure of Black With A Vengeance? In which case perhaps we should repeat his classic cry from the Key-Goff debates (in an economy with a significantly lower unemployment rate): Show Us The Jobs!.
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August 12, 2012 9:47am
Hamnida

I am Marxist leaning, and I can’t see him screwing with my head.

I am just thankful Romney didn’t pick a running mate from Florida.

Romney takes Texas, but Obama gets New York and California. I think Romney has to take Florida to be in with any chance.
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August 12, 2012 9:49am
Other_Andy

@Hamnida

Yes, the polls have shown an even (up and down 2-3%) race between Romney an Obama.
However, this was before the VP nomination.
It will be interesting to see how the polls will react next week to the nomination.
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August 12, 2012 9:51am
kowtow

sofia

pissing off the catholic hierarchy in most western countries these days isn’t very hard.

many of the idiots among them espouse “social justice” whatever that is and when it comes to economics would be termed socialists.They’re even buying into the global warming scam.

Most are well educated but alot of them aren’t very smart.
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August 12, 2012 9:52am
Redbaiter

New Zealand’s Fake “Right Wing” Bloggers
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August 12, 2012 9:58am
Hamnida

It’s hard to imagine Romney beating Obama, even in a capitalist/conservative society.
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August 12, 2012 10:00am
Ryan Sproull

Wasn’t Ayn Rand an evangelistic atheist?
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August 12, 2012 10:04am
Redbaiter

Ayn Rand was nuts.
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August 12, 2012 10:05am
wat dabney

Redbaiter, the voice of sanity.
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August 12, 2012 10:06am
Ryan Sproull

Can’t argue with that.
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August 12, 2012 10:06am
Redbaiter

“I am Marxist leaning, and I can’t see him screwing with my head.”

That’s because you’re a self confessed commie.

It is those commies who are in denial he will confuse.
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August 12, 2012 10:07am
Redbaiter

Thanks Ryan.
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August 12, 2012 10:08am
Falafulu Fisi

Can any of the anti-christian right-wingers such as Big Bruv and the likes, state one single government policy which has affected people’s freedom that was pushed by right-wing christian politicians in parliament? Name a single one please.
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August 12, 2012 10:12am
Hamnida

Families commission.
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August 12, 2012 10:14am
Redbaiter

Falafulu, haven’t you learned the lesson yet that attempting logic with the frothing Progressive Bigot Bruv is completely futile?
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August 12, 2012 10:16am
Falafulu Fisi

Families commission doesn’t affect me, perhaps it only affects me indirectly as I have to pay tax (with other NZ’ders) in order to run this useless department, which is not the proper role of the government. How does Families commission affect your freedom Hamnida ? This department should have never been established in the first place.
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August 12, 2012 10:18am
Other_Andy

@hamnida

You are calling Peter Dunne a right-wing christian politician?
And how does the ‘Families Commission’ affect people’s freedom?
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August 12, 2012 10:20am
wat dabney

FF,

Bit of a red herring. Nobody is saying that NZ is like the US.
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August 12, 2012 10:22am
Redbaiter

Peter Dunne came from Labour.

He’s never been “right wing”.
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August 12, 2012 10:25am
Other_Andy

@southtop

Thanks for the tip.
Good read.

The Waitangi Tribunal is our Babylonian priesthood. Its members spend their days poring over a tatty old text seeking guidance for modern-day government.
The funny thing isn’t that they do it. The funny thing is that anyone takes them seriously.
The Treaty priests are forever teasing and torturing the 176 Maori words that make up the three articles of the Treaty. They are greatly assisted by the Maori language being both very limited and obsolete.
There are simply not enough words in the Treaty to provide all the guidance the priests seek. No matter. The priests have declared the Treaty a living, breathing document. With a spirit. It’s at once sacred and immutable and simultaneously living and evolving. New principles leap from the Treaty. Old ones are constantly re-engineered.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10826283##
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August 12, 2012 10:32am
wat dabney

Very much like the Bible.
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August 12, 2012 10:33am
wiseowl

And TV3 picked out another lefty this am on their morning programme.
A Professor Garth Ellis from Auckland University.

On the latest shooting in the States he said the gun laws need to be changed and on the floods in Manila I waited expectantly with baited breath and yes, it’s all because of global warming.

Sheesh!
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August 12, 2012 10:36am
Redbaiter

One issue Wat is off again.
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August 12, 2012 10:37am
dime

I just saw the term “Val-gate” on stuff. That journalist hack should be shot
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August 12, 2012 10:39am
Other_Andy

@WD

“Very much like the Bible.”

Nah, more like the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report.
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August 12, 2012 10:39am
Redbaiter

TV 3 are propagandising Marxist scum.

Why would anyone waste their time by tuning in to such endlessly worthless crap?

I’ll tell you- TV watching is the province of empty headed morons.

The more vacant the skull, the more time spent watching TV.

And there’s no shortage of empty skulls in this Marxist shit hole.
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August 12, 2012 10:41am
Falafulu Fisi

Wat…

Bit of a red herring. Nobody is saying that NZ is like the US.

So, most right-wingers especially on this blog jumped up and down whenever Colin Craig mentioned anything about not legalizing gay marriage?

Now, compare Mr Craig’s position on gay marriage to the following.

Free fags spark inquiry

The state has no fucking business in telling a private company of what it can or can’t do. Imperial tobacco’s staffs are free to take the offer of free cigarettes or not? There’s no rights violation in there.

Anyway, the state should not have a role in deciding whether a person is married to the same sex , the opposite or even a dog.

How many here would support a legislation allowing people to marry a dog, a horse or an animal? How about legalizing bestiality? I would support such law, even though I will never ever condone people fucking horses or dogs because its disgusting. If a person choose to do that, it doesn’t violate my rights one single iota. It is not the role of the government to tell people whether they can fuck a horse or not. We know that it is illegal to do that here. There was an Auckland man from a few years ago who was prosecuted for fucking cows. He should not have been prosecuted for fucking the cows if it was his own. If it was someone else cows, then he should have been prosecuted on something like property violations, but not on bestiality.
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August 12, 2012 10:42am
Redbaiter

Maybe he should be called 1 watt Wat.
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August 12, 2012 10:45am
Falafulu Fisi

I’m not sure whether the man quoted in the following Herald story is the same one who was prosecuted in Auckland for bestiality or not. I just have to search the Herald site for the story of the Auckland man who committed bestiality from a few years ago.

‘The Beast’ allowed around animals

There should be no law against bestiality nor any law against a man marrying a man or woman marrying a woman or even a human marrying a dog. It is not the role of the state.
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August 12, 2012 10:49am
David Garrett

Wat: Very true…but the glaring difference is the allocation of resources, what we are allowed to say and not say, whether we belong here regardless of our race and a host of other things is completely unaffected by what various soothsayers “see” in the Bible. Not so the so-called treaty…

Rodney has provided the answer…but parliament – and certainly not this parliament – will never do it.
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August 12, 2012 10:52am
Harriet

No one restricts their wives from having the BEST of lives!

Marriage is not ‘damageing’ to a women as feminists would have us believe – nor is damageing to children.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7462170/Solo-parent-trap-widens-gap-for-rich-and-poor

When a Marriage Contract seems ‘optional’ people will soon concentrate on the negative aspects of staying married and the positive aspects of seperating.This is not what ‘fulfulling a contract’ is about.It is the complete opposite.

By strengthening the Marriage Contract Act and placeing it back up on it’s pedestal, we will decrease so-called ‘child poverty’ by way of personal responsability.

Marriage is about the WELFARE of the next generation – the children we are currently ‘parenting/teaching’ to become ADULTS and not to ‘remain’ children.

The gay marriage debate is a reflection of the immaturity in some parts of NZ society on what Marriage IS – NATURAL ORDER WELFARE!
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August 12, 2012 10:55am
wat dabney

FF,

How ’bout restricting bestiality to just talking donkeys, like they have in the Bible.

Then the donkey can complain if it doesn’t like it.
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August 12, 2012 10:56am
Redbaiter

“Rodney has provided the answer…but parliament – and certainly not this parliament – will never do it.”

Bunch of spineless losers the lot of them.

..and most are ready to start bawling in sad and pitiful capitulation as soon as the Marxist mainstream media comes after them.

Right Dave?
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August 12, 2012 10:59am
Pete George

Harriet, you’re addressing the obvious that was lacking in that solo parent trap article. Many mothers condemn themselves and their kids to poorness by having children without a decent education or relationship/marriage.

They need to ask who traps solo parents? Too frequently their own actions.
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August 12, 2012 11:06am
Redbaiter

“poorness”

Haw haw scoff….
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August 12, 2012 11:09am
Griff

“Can any of the anti-christian right-wingers such as Big Bruv and the likes, state one single government policy which has affected people’s freedom that was pushed by right-wing christian politicians in parliament? Name a single one please.”

I could give you a long list of policys that have been opposed by right-wing christian politicians that have increased our freedom.Representative Democracy just for starters.
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August 12, 2012 11:11am
Luke Mutton

Falafulu Fisi (1,920) Says:
August 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Wat…

Bit of a red herring. Nobody is saying that NZ is like the US.

So, most right-wingers especially on this blog jumped up and down whenever Colin Craig mentioned anything about not legalizing gay marriage?

As wat says, we’re not like the US and that’s because we don’t elect nutters like Craig, we point and laugh at them.

The state has no fucking business in telling a private company of what it can or can’t do.

Yes it does, and it always will. The corporation is a creature of the state and thus subject to the rules that the state, via its citizen lected representatives put in place. If you don’t think the state should make laws affecting corporations, do you think that corporations should also give up the protections of the state?

How many here would support a legislation allowing people to marry a dog, a horse or an animal? How about legalizing bestiality? I would support such law, even though I will never ever condone people fucking horses or dogs because its disgusting. If a person choose to do that, it doesn’t violate my rights one single iota.

The ignorant rant of the libertarian loser. eh?

No thought for the rights of the horse or dog? No idea that maybe the whole issue around sex is informed consent? I guess you think that rape is OK as it doesn’t affect your rights. I’m ashamed to think we are of the same species.
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August 12, 2012 11:18am
wat dabney

We start to get into a tangle about what ‘right-wing’ actually means.

Of course, with just a tiny handful of exceptions, the nauseating Republicans are not right-wing. They are just corrupt and opportunistic pursuers of power. No better than the Democrats.
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August 12, 2012 11:19am
Luke Mutton

wat, defining right wing is easy – If Fox says it and Red believes it, its right wing. Anything red doesn’t understand, anything that Fox can’t turn into a 12 second talking point, is obviously commie propaganda.

If it wasn’t for the voices in his head, red wouldn’t listen to anyone.
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August 12, 2012 11:27am
Falafulu Fisi

Luke Mutton,

The ignorant rant of the libertarian loser.

And you’re not a loser? Please enlighten me of why you’re not a loser? The tone of your arguments here on Kiwiblog convinced me that you are a scum and a loser. Hey show us that you’re a winner before you call others losers, because you seem to be someone who works at the Women’s Affairs Department. Did you graduate in gender studies by the way? I bet you did. That’s a fucking real loser.
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August 12, 2012 11:29am
Luke Mutton

Winner = fucks women = ME!

Loser = fucks dogs = YOU!

[DPF: 30 demerits]
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August 12, 2012 11:31am
Redbaiter

FOX news??

Pffft

You sad dated and uninformed commie retard.

I regard FOX news as gutless compromising losers.

Get a fucking life and get up to speed- you commie ignorami are so fucking boring in your sad little one dimensional Marxist media fed worlds.

What we need is a real right wing broadcaster. Not one that strives for “balance” like FOX, and gives airtime to commies like Juan Wiliams and Jerkoff Riviera, but is as far right as the rest of the network broadcasters are left wing.

FOX doesn’t cut it.
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August 12, 2012 11:32am
Falafulu Fisi

Luke Mutton…
I guess you think that rape is OK as it doesn’t affect your rights

Are you fucking dumb or what? Raping someone is violating that person’s rights.
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August 12, 2012 11:34am
Viking2

Put your capital where your mouth is Red. Maoris have plenty of radio spectrum they will sell you. You would be a great radio announcer. You could invite all the commies along to berate all day everyday.
Cmon now put your dollars on the line.
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August 12, 2012 11:55am
Redbaiter

Radio is dead Viking.

Once again, too many compromising commies pretending to be right wingers.
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August 12, 2012 11:57am
thedavincimode

What’s gone wrong today m’baiter old thing? Slugs in your cabbages?
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August 12, 2012 11:58am
Redbaiter

Its only an aberrational phase D, calm down, soon all will be back to normal.

(trapped caring for a sick wife)
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August 12, 2012 12:02pm
thedavincimode

soon all will be back to normal

normal being relative of course.
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August 12, 2012 12:09pm
RRM

Wow – you certainly see all the cool people here on Kiwiblog on a Sunday morning… 😎

It’s the weekend FFS – go and play with your (grand)children or do some work on your boat or something.

[leaves]
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August 12, 2012 12:12pm
Redbaiter

“normal” being a bunch of very uninformed and unaware commies arguing over exactly how and where to position the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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August 12, 2012 12:14pm
Redbaiter

[leaves]

Sob…
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August 12, 2012 12:17pm
grumpyoldhori

Interesting choice that bloke Ryan, is very keen on dumping Medicare for the old in the USA and replacing it with low value vouchers to insurance companies.
Christ I can see the Obama ads in Florida now showing some poor old bastard being shoved into a corner of a hospital to die because his voucher is not valuable enough for him to get the operation he needs.

If the Nats were a true right wing party they would bring it in here 🙂
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August 12, 2012 12:27pm
Viking2

Redbaiter (437) Says:
August 12th, 2012 at 11:57 am

Radio is dead Viking.
Well your own one wouldn’t be.

Once again, too many compromising commies pretending to be right wingers.

Well Red join the rest of us free riders and open a Facebook page we can all share.
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August 12, 2012 12:30pm
Scott Chris

I waited expectantly with baited breath and yes, it’s all because of global warming.

Well you’d think that the USA having its hottest July ever recorded might be indicative of something…. unless you’re in denial of course.
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August 12, 2012 12:32pm
grumpyoldhori

Any lawyers on ? if the search warrant was illegal with Kim Dotcom did the cops have any right at all to go charging into the house ?
Or were they doing a home invasion ?
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August 12, 2012 12:33pm
Redbaiter

“some poor old bastard being shoved into a corner of a hospital to die ”

FFS Hori, if you think that doesn’t happen here you’re completely clueless about socialised health care.

“Well Red join the rest of us free riders and open a Facebook page we can all share.”

Don’t like Facebook.
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August 12, 2012 12:33pm
Scott Chris

Luke Mutton (138) Says:
August 12th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Winner = fucks women = ME!

Loser = fucks dogs = YOU!

[DPF: 30 demerits]

Consistent?
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August 12, 2012 12:37pm
Redbaiter

I would have given him a life ban.
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August 12, 2012 12:42pm
krazykiwi

Scott Chris –

Well you’d think that the USA having its hottest July ever recorded might be indicative of something

No, One US state had the hottest July on record.
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August 12, 2012 12:58pm
Griff

According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the average July temperature was 3.3 degrees above the 20th-century average and the hottest July and hottest month in records dating to 1895.
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August 12, 2012 1:02pm
Redbaiter

Fat Old Hori “Or were they doing a home invasion ?”

NZ’s Police Minister should resign for failing to protect a NZ resident from assault by Obama’s rogue FBI agents.

Just Soviet Hollywood puppets acting like Police State Bluecaps.

And Hollywood are among the commie Obama’s greatest supporters / financial backers.

Just so fucking politically corrupt it is unbelievable.

And the NZ Police went along with it.

If I hadn’t become immune to such political corruption in this crappy little third world socialist backwater, I’d be astonished.

I hope Kim Dotcom takes them all for billions.
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August 12, 2012 1:04pm
Hamnida

In my view, Dunne is Right leaning, Christian (Catholic) and conservative.

Families commission – pay tax for something that is a waste of time. Money should be used for health and education.

It doesn’t help the Neolib cause a great deal when racist, sexist comments and accusations about bestiality are raised. You Neolibs should focus on the issues.
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August 12, 2012 1:13pm
krazykiwi

When will the Thames freeze over again?

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

And Co2 levels continue to rise while temperature trends reverse. When evidence contradicts the CAGW theory, it’s time to re-visit the theory. It’s also time unwind the taxation that has been foisted on the masses on that basis of their fear and blind dependence on the scientific establishment.
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August 12, 2012 1:15pm
Hamnida

I think Whale Oil is the Fox News of NZ.

This blog is like 21st Century digital talk back.

Was watching Fox News for a laugh the other night and some guy from Arizona was still trying to say Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.
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August 12, 2012 1:16pm
Redbaiter

“still trying to say Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.”

Wasn’t Obama himself was it?

For in his authorised (by Obama in 2007) biography produced by the Publicists Acton and Dystel , it was stated-

” Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.””

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Yahoo and ABC News
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August 12, 2012 1:23pm
Redbaiter

“In my view, Dunne is Right leaning,”

Bullshit.

Dunne was life time Labour before forming United Future.
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August 12, 2012 1:26pm
grumpyoldhori

Obama is dusky, therefore not a real American, has Romney showed his long form yet ?
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August 12, 2012 1:30pm
Ryan Sproull

Dunne was life time Labour before forming United Future.

Who formed ACT again?
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August 12, 2012 1:36pm
Hamnida

Redbaiter – Are you trying to say 1980s Labour is Left? Dunne is Right leaning – asset sales, socially conservative, supports National/ACT government, drives around in a limo.
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August 12, 2012 1:37pm
Hamnida

Who did form ACT?

Prebble and Douglas, or that guy from the business round table?
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August 12, 2012 1:38pm
Griff

KK that was a post up to your usual standard
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from http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/6

Note the gov in the address KK fact not fantasy

May

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 14.8°C (58.6°F). This is the second warmest May since records began in 1880, behind only 2010.

The Northern Hemisphere land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 0.85°C (1.53°F) above average.

The globally-averaged land surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 1.21°C (2.18°F) above average.

june

The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for June 2012 was 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average of 15.5°C (59.9°F). This is the fourth warmest June since records began in 1880.

The Northern Hemisphere land and ocean average surface temperature for June 2012 was the all-time warmest June on record, at 1.30°C (2.34°F) above average.

The globally-averaged land surface temperature for June 2012 was also the all-time warmest June on record, at 1.07°C (1.93°F) above average.
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August 12, 2012 1:39pm
Redbaiter

“Who formed ACT again?”

A Labourite who was not a Progressive.

They do exist, and there is a left wing rationale for their policies.

Its the Progressives (neo-Marxists) who have fucked both Labour and National.

(and ACT too come to think of it)
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August 12, 2012 1:40pm
Luke Mutton

Redbaiter (443) Says:
August 12th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
“still trying to say Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.”

Wasn’t Obama himself was it?

For in his authorised (by Obama in 2007) biography produced by the Publicists Acton and Dystel , it was stated-

” Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.””

Source-

Yahoo and ABC News

How the Right love to lie.

Note, there is no actual linked source here.

The quote that Red Russell has mined is from a booklet written, NOT by Obama, note, but by a publishing hack. It was in a booklet that contained bios of a number of authors on a literary agent’s client list.

So Red Russell, either admit your lie, or show us the actual page from Obama’s authorised biography.

You see, not ~~everything~~ anything you read on Breitbart is true.
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August 12, 2012 1:55pm
Fletch

Luke, Brietbart asked another author from the same publisher stable, and yes, authors wrote and submitted their own bios.
Obama submitted his. He wasn’t famous in those days – who else was going to write it for him?
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August 12, 2012 1:57pm
Redbaiter

False and cowardly allegations of lying are such typical left wing Alinsky type strategy.

It is a fact that Obama himself signed off on the biography.
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August 12, 2012 1:58pm
Luke Mutton

And for those interested in the truth, here is the actual link to the Yahoo/abcNews article that Red Russell omitted.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/born-kenya-obamas-literary-agent-misidentified-birthplace-1991/story?id=16372566

So, I guess I shouldn’t have called Red Russell a liar. I should have called him a knuckle dragging incompetent moron incapable of reading beyond the first 3 words, let alone comprehending what is there to be read in the rest of the article.
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August 12, 2012 2:00pm
Luke Mutton

There are 2 alinskyites posting on this blog, fletch and red Russell. Misdirection only works in magic, and you guys aren’t magicians.
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August 12, 2012 2:01pm
Redbaiter

Whats the point in referencing ABC news?

They’re a well known communist propaganda agency.

Nobody believes them any more.

Except for Leftists who like Rip Van Winkle have been sleeping for decades.
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August 12, 2012 2:04pm
Other_Andy

@griff

So May and June were warm.
And?
Some records were set.
The lower 48 states of the continental US set over 3000 records during the heat wave.
So what?
The heat wave was caused by a derecho and a blocking high.
It’s called weather…..
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August 12, 2012 2:12pm
Luke Mutton

Redbaiter (446) Says:
August 12th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Whats the point in referencing ABC news?

You seemed to think there was a point when you thought they supported your case

They’re a well known communist propaganda agency.

Ever since I used them to point out how stupid you are?

Nobody believes them any more.

And yet, you did. Until 10 minutes ago.

Fuck, this is as much fun as shooting fish in a barrel.

I’m off to take candy from babies, its got to be harder than this.
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August 12, 2012 2:14pm
Pete George

Hamnida: In my view, Dunne is Right leaning, Christian (Catholic) and conservative.

Do you form your views based on any facts? Or do you just dream stuff up?

I don’t know and don’t care about any of Dunne’s religious or non-religious connections. He keeps religion out of his politics, as he should.

And he certainly hasn’t acted “Christian (Catholic) and conservative”. He strongly supported the decriminalisation of homosexuality in the 1980’s, he supports the marriage equality bill, he supports the paid parental leave bill etc etc.

Maybe you just view anyone who’s not a raving socialist as ‘conservative’ for a variation to calling them neoliberal.
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