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Keeping Stock

Not first, at 8.12am surely? Where is everyone?

But I see that Phil was asking David Garrett last night if he had posted anonymously on Kiwiblog before becoming an MP. Does that mean that Phil is unable to substantiate his claim that Mr Garrett was posting here under multiple identities? Oh dear…
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July 6, 2012 8:12am
Colville

Its gonna be a slow morning for me…my head hurts!
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July 6, 2012 8:15am
KiwiGreg

@ KS meh I started typing a long rant about the idiocy of Len Brown and his profligate waste of ratepayer’s money but i just lost the will to live.
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July 6, 2012 8:27am
hj

Editorial LA Times
Global warming in our backyard
The reality of climate change is hitting home. It’s time to plan for hotter days and rising sea levels.
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Climate skeptics typically respond to such studies by saying these predictions are just designed to scare the populace. But global warming predictions should be carrying more serious weight in the public’s mind now than they did even five years ago because of emerging patterns that closely fit earlier forecasts.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-adv-global-warming-20120702,0,4512793.story
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July 6, 2012 8:27am
alex Masterley

I2 they are all fogged in.
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July 6, 2012 8:31am
hmmokrightitis

A timely reminder – unrestrained socialism will destroy you. Who knew?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2012/07/myanmar%E2%80%99s-economy?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/crawlingthroughthewreckage
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July 6, 2012 8:31am
hj

Singapore: A Nation of Public Housing
SINGAPORE — If you hate government, want it out of your hair and held at bay, Singapore should be pure hell.

One government agency manages 80 percent of the housing stock — all called public housing. It checks your age and whether you’re married to decide whether and when you’re eligible for an apartment. It decides what you’ll pay to occupy your flat, which local services will (or won’t) be provided. It even checks your ethnicity — every housing area has a set balance among the leading local ancestries — Chinese, Malay and Indian.
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There are hurdles. First, you have to have been employed continuously for at least one year — call it public housing if you will, but no freeloaders welcome here!

Second, you have to be 21 or older and forming a “family nucleus” — already be married, or plan to marry. Wedlock and flat acquisition seem to go hand-in-hand. (Are gay couples eligible Unambiguously no, even though one hears Singapore does have its own gay community.)

Single men or women can apply for the housing, even in groups — but not until they’re 35 or older.
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http://citiwire.net/columns/a-nation-of-public-housing/
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July 6, 2012 8:36am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/forget-the-propaganda-heres-the-drug-war-data-that-really-matters/

“…The New York Times recently ran a piece discrediting the government’s drug war propaganda by digging into Washington’s numbers game.

Rather than concentrate on meaningless data like how many poppy fields are in Mexico – Washington should focus on the numbers evidencing just how badly the drug war has failed.

From the NYT:

If there is one number that embodies the seemingly intractable challenge imposed by the illegal drug trade on the relationship between the United States and Mexico, it is $177.26.

That is the retail price, according to Drug Enforcement Administration data, of one gram of pure cocaine from your typical local pusher.

That is 74 percent cheaper than it was 30 years ago.

This number contains pretty much all you need to evaluate the Mexican and American governments’ “war” to eradicate illegal drugs from the streets of the United States.

They would do well to heed its message.

What it says is that the struggle on which they have spent billions of dollars – and lost tens of thousands of lives over the last four decades –

– has failed…”

(cont..)

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 8:40am
philu

heh..!..the cat is getting over-interested on the cursor on the screen…face a coupla inches from the screen…

..idiot..!

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 8:43am
Manolo

Keeping their distance: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/07/05/several-north-carolina-dems/
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July 6, 2012 8:44am
hmmokrightitis

Oh god, it has a cat. Just when you thought it actually couldnt get worse, its a cat person.

I would ask for the man card back, but thats a lost cause.
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July 6, 2012 8:47am
Scott Chris

Any guitar players out there? You might like this:

100 famous guitar riffs in one take
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July 6, 2012 8:54am
David Garrett

KS: Yes..I noticed his response to the olive branch I offered yesterday morning (for the record NO, As I have said have never posted a comment or written a letter to the editor other than in my own name, ever)

So Mr “20 points till half my life is gone” wishes the battle to continue…so be it. My offer was genuine. He chose to spurn it. I guess I should be grateful the response wasn’t “stick it up ya arse” or something similarly erudite.

But because I am acutely aware of the bore this can be for others here – although his delusion that I am also several of you seems to have generated considerable amusement – I will not the one to fire the first strike.
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July 6, 2012 8:58am
philu

“..its a cat person. ..”

actually i’m a dog/cat-person…

..we have both..

..and they like each other/sleep together…

..yr point..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 8:58am
Sofia

An article which may be of interest [or not] to any who have stated positions on ‘marriage’ in this blog over recent weeks [since Obama stated his position] –

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-chris-glaser/samesex-marriage-and-the-bible_b_1638106.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

In part –
… For the first thousand years of church history, marriage was not recognized as a specifically Christian institution. During this period, marriages between Christians followed the Roman model that a couple married themselves, though they may have asked a blessing from their parish priest. Even when marriage was recognized as a sacrament in 1215 A.D., canon law followed the custom that the couple married themselves, the one sacrament that did not necessarily require a priest …

perspective:
Rev. Chris Glaser is a longtime LGBT activist in the Presbyterian Church (USA), he is ordained in the Metropolitan Community Church.
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July 6, 2012 8:59am
hmmokrightitis

Utterly lost on you TGM. Back to your gruel.
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July 6, 2012 8:59am
jonnobanks

A bunch of evil Islamic terrorists are arrested in London over the night… but come on, they aint that bad, unlike those Irish Catholic bastards, move along, nothing to see.

See, it’s easy to say that evil scum aint bad, by saying everyone else is just as bad. So let’s not worry about the Muslim terrorists now.
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July 6, 2012 9:03am
philu

an ‘olive-branch’..?

go and read it…it was more a passive/aggressive exercise in self-justification…

..and you never published/wrote any comments in kiwiblog…

..until you were no longer an mp..?

..now there’s food for thought..eh..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 9:03am
Manolo

Auckland got the dismal comrade Brown, so this is possible: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78125.html
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July 6, 2012 9:04am
nasska

David Garrett

I watched for a response to your conciliatory offer yesterday but it was obviously spurned. Perhaps, in deference to those who prefer GD to devote space exclusively to global warming or the second coming, we could have a “roast Phil’ hour every evening.

GD usually goes quiet between 5.30pm & 6.30pm. This may be a good time to point out his failings on a regular basis.
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July 6, 2012 9:06am
jonnobanks

I wonder if all those defending the Catholic Church the other day will now come along and defend Muslim terrorists, saying they aint as bad as the IRA. I will wait and see, after all don’t y’all believe in the same ghost in the sky?
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July 6, 2012 9:08am
Manolo

GD usually goes quiet between 5.30pm & 6.30pm.

Only because it’s the time the bludger spends exercising his wrist in energetic fashion.
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July 6, 2012 9:09am
Pete George

Blame the parents…

Teenagers learn binge drinking off their parents

Teenagers are just following their parents’ example when they binge drink, writes high-school pupil Verity Johnson.

“It all begins with drinking in the home

Teenagers are just following their parents’ example when they binge drink, writes high-school pupil Verity Johnson.

After watching adults, I can see where teenage binge drinking comes from. We’re just following our parents’ example.

We definitely can’t ban teens from drinking and rely on the Sober Fairy to keep the RTDs away. Both ways will find us peeling people off the pavement.

Adults need to help teach teens. Set a good example at home. Be a mentor. Otherwise teens might not make it to adulthood.”

…to an extent.

I don’t think learning directly from parents is the whole problem, there’s a lot of learning of preceding teens and following peers as well, but parents setting bad examples is a significant factor.
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July 6, 2012 9:12am
Keeping Stock

hmmo said

Oh god, it has a cat. Just when you thought it actually couldnt get worse, its a cat person.

I wonder if the cat is a vegan too, like the dog. And if so, I wonder how Phil stops that cat from doing what cats do and eating mice and birds. But I just hope the cat isn’t a passive smoker…
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July 6, 2012 9:12am
MT_Tinman

I notice the All Blacks franchise are looking at putting AIG on their jersey.

As AIG was subject to a $250 mil bailout by the American taxpayer maybe they’re looking at displaying a photo of the current American president – with a black background of course.
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July 6, 2012 9:13am
David Garrett

Didnt take long for the trout to rise…I am happy for everyone to read my post from yesterday phool….they will decide whether it was ” a passive aggressive exercise…” or whatever you said (can’t be bothered repeating drivel) or genuine..

And don’t go twisting my words sonny…I said I had never posted here or anywhere else in any name/nick other than my own…and that INCLUDES the odd comment when I was an MP…until then I had never read a blog, much less commented on one. I was an old fashioned letter to the editor man.

Now to business…how much of that benefit provided by the taxpayer do you spend on dope each week?
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July 6, 2012 9:16am
Other_Andy

@hj

Love your link hj.
Did you read the article?
This is a good one..
“.. a U.S. Geological Survey report that found sea levels already are rising more quickly along the East Coast from Massachusetts to North Carolina than they are globally.”
You wanna explain that?

And before you reply, you do realise that the continental US is just under 1.6% of the total surface of the earth and under 5.5% of the total land mass?
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July 6, 2012 9:20am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

A quite lengthy article regarding the Fukushima disaster
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/7231477/Fukushima-nuclear-crisis-man-made-preventable?cid=edm:stuff:dailyheadlines
but nowhere in it does it comment on the present situation at the nuclear power plant, where the rod storage at Unit 4 apparently teeters on its foundations, waiting for the next tremor to destroy it and a large part, if not all, of Japan. The silence from USA on this issue is deafening, supposedly because of negative implications for their own nuclear stations.

If a lack of appropriate international support allows disaster to overtake a large part of the northern Pacific it could to say the least be one of the most spectacular ironies of human history.
When was the last time we saw an update on Fukushima, not just a report on a report.
Fukushima could easily render global warning just rather academic
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July 6, 2012 9:23am
Keeping Stock

So why is the Herald starting a campaign about the costs of providing legal representation to those accused of crimes, and to one defendant in particular. Could this just be a cyncial way of keeping interest alive until the wall-to-wall coverage comes from the weekend papers?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/justice-comes-at-cost.html
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July 6, 2012 9:27am
philu

(this is a must-watch vid…from the former vice-president of citibank…)

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/philip-wollen-australian-philanthropist-former-vp-of-citibank-makes-blazing-animal-rights-speech/

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 9:28am
David Garrett

…Now on that dope habit of yours phool…do you get a bulk deal from your supplier given your clearly prodigious intake? Do you then on-sell a little to “cover costs” as it were? Fairly common practice in the drug using community I understand…
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July 6, 2012 9:33am
nasska

Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Totally agree…the silence of academics & the media on this issue is frightening. Especially amazing is the lack of reaction from the American public who live in the path of the radiation which will be driven across the Pacific by wind & sea currents.

Equally amazing is the lack of reaction from Japan itself. With a highly educated & wealthy populace surely they can figure out some way of containing the threat. Their entire nation will cease to exist if Fukushima goes toes up.
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July 6, 2012 9:38am
Don the Kiwi

Yeah phil.

Do you do rollies, or light up a bong? Do you share with your neighbours? Do you have gang affiliations?

So many questions, so few answers.
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July 6, 2012 9:38am
David Garrett

DTK:Whaddya mean “few”? When has he EVER answered a question? Very quick to accuse others of “running away” from his though…

He is a fascinating study in narcissism…doesn’t mean he couldn’t do that data entry job Mr Nui offered him though! Heaps of people with personality disorders hold down jobs…..there’s even a woman with Asbergers syndrome who is a university professor of international renown…

And he could certainly assist the proprietor of I Suk Up Ltd (proudly cleaning septic tanks in Rodney for 15 years)…and he doesn’t even have the inconvenience of a partner, which apparently leads to a high turnover in Mr Suk Up’s business…they don’t like washing the overalls apparently…
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July 6, 2012 9:48am
philu

(todays’ best-of…so far..)

“…How Love Rewires the Brain..”

“…Learned Optimism: Martin Seligman on Happiness – Depression – and the Meaningful Life…”

“…Why I Write: George Orwell’s Four Motives for Creation…”

“…Philip Wollen – Australian Philanthropist – Former VP of Citibank – Makes Blazing Animal Rights Speech…”

“…Climate skeptics still not worried..”

“…Romney panic sets in…”

“…Star Spangled Birther: Meet John Philip Sousa IV…”

“…Professors without borders…”

“…Hearing the Voice of God…”

“…The Western Welfare State: Its Rise and Demise and the Soviet Bloc…”

“…Did the Mossad Murder Arafat?…”

“…Obesity in Asia: American Fast Food is Fare for the Rich…”

“…Scientists Say Ongoing Weather Extremes Offer Proof of Climate Change…”

“…Google Gets Dystopian: “Google Glasses” and the Surveillance State…”

“…Forget the Propaganda – Here’s the Drug War Data That Really Matters…”

“…Are We Depriving Our Children of the Pursuit of Happiness?…”

“…Government-Sponsored Study Destroys DEA’s Classification of Marijuana as ‘Medically Useless’…”

“…Nicolas Sarkozy: The L’Oreal files…”

“…Drug Use & Baby Boomers: 5 Prescription Drugs With High Potential For Abuse..”

“…Oliver Stone, Weed: ‘Savages’ Director Talks Marijuana..”

“…Why Is The Penis Shaped Like That?…”

“…Syria Crisis: WikiLeaks Starts Publishing More Than 2 Million Hacked Emails..”

“…Google UK privacy manager worked for ICO during Street View probe…”

“…The Shard rises above London – timelapse video…”

“…London 2012: even Beijing didn’t put an army on the gates…”

“…[LISTEN] Album Stream: Collapsing Cities – Strangers Again..”

“…Private firm missing its prison targets for Mt Eden…”

“…City leaders kept in dark on V8 details…”

“….How long will the All Blacks remain all black?..”

“…Fifty Shades of Grey peddles the tired old fantasy of romance that keeps women in their place…”

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 9:49am
James Stephenson

100 famous guitar riffs in one take

Thanks for that Scott, well worth the time to watch, although the old rock head that I am, quibbles at the absence of Clash or Pixies from the line up.
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July 6, 2012 9:59am
kowtow

haha

hj slagging off Singapore for providing first class housing for it’s citizens.

He should blame those evil white colonial masters . They started it,same in Hong Kong.

What did the Romans ever do for us?

sofia and marriage. What did the Romans say about “same sex marriage”?
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July 6, 2012 10:09am
philu

and those trolls ranting at me should know..i ain’t playing..eh..?

..and in fact am welcoming the focus on just issues/ideas…

.as that is why i am here in the first place…

..and all that bullshit is just a distraction from that..eh..?

..so just keep on howling into the void..eh..?

..yr own voice is all that will be coming back at you..eh..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 10:09am
Other_Andy

@nasska and Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Regarding the silence around the Fukushima situation.
You can take that two ways.
1. There is no news because they are keeping it silent as not to frighten the horses.
2. There is no news because…there is nothing happening. There IS no news.
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July 6, 2012 10:14am
David Garrett

Now this is interesting….I noticed over the last few days an almost complete absence of the punctuation phrase (or whatever it is supposed to be) …eh?

on the end of every line…

why was that Phool? why did you reintroduce it?
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July 6, 2012 10:16am
polemic

I have posted this here as well…

Re Throwing out the Outdated No Nukes Policy !

Perhaps it is time National brought up the subject and asked the question publically of its relevance espescially when the Somers report concluded that-
“more nuclear radiation was emitted from Auckland Hospital on a single day than was emitted by the US Navy in a whole year”
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July 6, 2012 10:23am
Manolo

When will the government of the brave John Key ditch this outdated policy?
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July 6, 2012 10:27am
kowtow

If ever here was proof that the west was being run by the lunatic PC brigade this has got to be it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/9379793/Bloody-Sunday-soldiers-could-face-murder-charges-as-police-announce-criminal-investigation.html
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July 6, 2012 10:29am
nasska

Other_Andy

Both options you put up are equally plausible. To me, the way this issue is being ignored by our normally sensationalist MSM is scary. Under normal conditions we would be treated to daily exposes on the likely fate of children born within cooee of Fukashima complete with descriptions of glow in the dark tuna swimming around the Pacific, yet….nothing.

What little we know of Fukashima would suggest that our august United Nations might take their collective heads out of their arses & devote a little time to explaining the likelihood or other of a disaster which would make the results of a spot of nuclear warfare seem like the outcome of a kindergarten tiff.

In the absence of some rational explanations I’m going to end up joining the rest of the conspiracy theorists.
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July 6, 2012 10:47am
travellerev

John Key and his National Government have lumbered the New Zealand population with $112 Billion in Derivatives. Derivatives are based on the LIBOR. Now it turns out that the banks have been fiddling with the LIBOR and it is bankrupting Pension and sovereign wealth funds (Cullen fund anyone) around the world. This should make you furious and it should be a reason for a vote of no confidence in John Key who has a massive conflict of interest with most of his paper wealth in the Bank of America!!!

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/the-biggest-financial-scam-in-world-history-or-why-you-should-be-furious/

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/112-billion-in-derivatives-and-off-the-books-accounting-john-key-cant-help-himself/
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July 6, 2012 10:47am
Other_Andy

@nasska

“To me, the way this issue is being ignored by our normally sensationalist MSM is scary. Under normal conditions we would be treated to daily exposes on the likely fate of children born within cooee of Fukashima complete with descriptions of glow in the dark tuna swimming around the Pacific, yet….nothing.”

This to me explains exactly why there is nothing wrong with Fukashima. Knowing the scare mogering sensationalist MSM, they would be all over this story, if there was one.
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July 6, 2012 10:55am
nasska

Other_Andy

I hope you’re right….I’d like to think that I can see out my days without running a Geiger counter over the cans of fish in the pantry.
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July 6, 2012 11:01am
kowtow

OA,nasska

It’s simply a measure of how shit the MSM are. They jump from one crisis or sensational story to another. Wall to wall coverage for a few days and then nothing or very little.

Germany shut its down after Fukushima and that tells me it’s pure emotion. Meanwhile Japan is restarting theirs, you can’t live without electricity no more and we won’t let them catch enough whales for oil lamps.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/1st-japan-reactor-goes-online-since-nuclear-crisis
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July 6, 2012 11:12am
princetipytoe

bc (483) Says:
July 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Re: first post @ 8.08am by David Garrett

To David (and a couple of others who do the same)
Here’s what I don’t get, I am truly baffled and I can’t be the only one. You criticise philu from hijacking the general debate comments.
Yet in the couple of days where there are no comments from philu – who gets talked about? You guessed it. (It’s almost like he was missed).
Then in the FIRST post of the day today, who gets talked about?
It is YOU David, not philu that has set the tone of the general debate today.
So I have to ask, because I really need to know – WHY, David?
Why mention him?
Why start the day with such a nasty personal attack?
Why do you let him get to you?
Big Bruv and others that do the same – feel free to contribute. Honestly, you all need therapy – get it out of the system!
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July 6, 2012 11:16am
mikenmild

Sincerely, my advice to friends or foes of philu is just ignore him. Very, very occasionally he makes a point worth debating, but the rest of his stuff and the reaction and counter-reaction is quite tiresome.
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July 6, 2012 11:24am
princetipytoe

DG is obviously mentally ill and should seek help for his borderline personality disorder. as most people with this disorder are so consumed with it they can not help themselves.
DG exhibits all the symptoms.
DG. stop the denial and get some help then you won’t be going round and ruining your life and others in it.
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July 6, 2012 11:26am
freemark

Have just watched an awesome series of documentaries on the USS Nimitz, around the Gulf War 2 deployment. Ordinary people, making less per hour than they would at McDonalds, questioning the politics of what they are doing, being away from families etc. A great range of perspectives, and quite pertinent considering Pearl Harbourgate. Oh that we could provide some of our disaffected youth with these opportunities, our industry with the construction etc of ships. Incidentally the doco made by PBS.
I’m also looking down in to Oneroa Bay watching the fog lift from around the spirit of New Zealand.. great sight.
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July 6, 2012 11:37am
James Stephenson

Erm, Ure? You do realise that it takes more than removing a few full stops and the the word “eh?” to disguise your writing style, don’t you?
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July 6, 2012 11:44am
Weihana

Ordinary people, making less per hour than they would at McDonalds…

Though everything gets paid for.

Oh that we could provide some of our disaffected youth with these opportunities

Gotta be better than prison. Didn’t work for Kurariki.
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July 6, 2012 11:51am
kowtow

freemark

We often hear “american tv is shit”. That would be the american tv that is aired here. PBS make excellent documentaries.

Our yuff have plenty of opportunities,it’s a pity so many don’t seem to make the best of what is on offer,but that’s another story.

Me,I’m quite happy that the Americans are still prepared to put so much into their military. Once great countries with naval and army traditions seem determined to shit all over their best people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9337175/Soldiers-sacked-days-before-pension-date.html
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July 6, 2012 11:55am
philu

stephenson..are you also ‘keeping stock’…?

..or does yr name just link to that site ‘cos you like it..?

..and um..!..who are you claiming is also me..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 12:00pm
thedavincimode

I can’t say that I’ve ever got uptight about the random exposions of punctuation appearing on the screen. It was a simple matter to just scroll on by.

But I have to say that in the last few days I’ve developed a somewhat uneasy feeling that I’ve haven’t quite been able to understand. I’ve realised now that ever since The Great Masturbator shared more of the intimate detail of his private life than I care to know, whenever I see this eruption of punctuation from his keyboard, it immediately triggers a vision of what was likely erupting over his keyboard at the time.

The emotion is difficult to describe, but it’s almost as if seeing it now leaves me feeling soiled.
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July 6, 2012 12:03pm
thedavincimode

BTW, Scotty, good to see that you appear better today. It was getting pretty touch and go last night.
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July 6, 2012 12:07pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers 🙂

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/bold-changes-needed-growth-killer-rma-%E2%80%93-banks-ca-122885#comment-450627

Should ‘dodgy’ John Banks even be in Parliament?

So far he has been politically protected by Prime Minister John Key – whose following of ‘due process’ over the Sky City Convention Centre deal is currently being investigated by the OAG.

New Zealand ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (Transparency International 2011 ‘Corruption Perception Index’).

WHAT A SICK JOKE IS THAT ‘PERCEPTION’!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10817650

“Police investigation into Banks’ mayoral campaign completed
By Claire Trevett
7:21 PM Thursday Jul 5, 2012

A police investigation into John Banks’ 2010 mayoral campaign donations disclosure is completed and a decision on whether the Act leader faces prosecution is expected within weeks.

Auckland Detective Inspector Mark Benefield told complainants yesterday that the investigation was over and the case had been sent to Police Legal Services to review. He said that process could take two to three weeks.

Auckland Council’s electoral officer referred Mr Banks to the police to investigate whether he filed a false return after his tilt for the city’s mayoralty in 2010.

The donations at the centre of the inquiry include $50,000 from Kim Dotcom and $15,000 from Sky City which were not disclosed, or were disclosed as anonymous donations, in his return.

Mr Banks has consistently maintained his return was correct, based on his knowledge at the time.

Complaints were laid by Labour MP Trevor Mallard and others, including Auckland based activists Lisa Pragar and Penny Bright.”
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http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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July 6, 2012 12:14pm
mikenmild

Just asking Penny, which country in the world has less curruption than NZ?
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July 6, 2012 12:19pm
Fletch

This is totally freaky –

China is building cities to boost economic growth and up their GDP, but there is nobody to live in the cities. They are too expensive. Something like 46 Million uninhabited apartments.
On Satellite images you can see cities in China with highways, parks, skyscrapers, all uninhabited.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/bizarre-chinas-eerie-ghost-cities-arise/

A Dateline video of a journalist who visited them –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPILhiTJv7E
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July 6, 2012 12:19pm
graham

Penny: as somebody who has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), and VANDALISED AND DEFACED the billboards of her opponents when standing for public office, proceeds to call other people ‘dodgy’ and calls into question the perception of the level of corruption in New Zealand, do you really expect to be taken seriously?

It’s like when you mooted a ‘Draft Action Plan’ with the following points:

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

Somebody standing for public office who has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), would probably not be looked upon very favourably under this ‘Code of Conduct’. And as for somebody standing for public office who proceeded to VANDALISE AND DEFACE the billboards of her opponents during the campaign – that wouldn’t be very seemly, now would it?
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July 6, 2012 12:21pm
philu

gee graham..you must be really dirty on those richest new zealanders who avoided tax/’stole’ some $50 million …eh..?

..all caps-lock on that one…?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 12:27pm
KevinH

@Other_Andy
Contaminated tuna has been found in California: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/29/tuna-contaminated-radiation-fukushima-california.
It would appear that the full impact of contamination has not being fully appraised yet, to hot a subject perhaps. But to be on the safe side abstaining from consuming fish caught in the Pacific until better information is available would be advisable.
It is a little scary because the Fukushima plant did release significant amounts of radiation into the enviroment and the impact of that is still not fully known.
The Herald has just put out a story of the disaster a few hours ago but no mention of contamination:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10817744
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July 6, 2012 12:35pm
freemark

Excuse me Phool & Penny..
WTF would you two village idiots know about working, paying tax or being honest and productive citizens?
With all due respect, fuck off and let the rest of us have an intelligent debate.
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July 6, 2012 12:51pm
freemark

I heard more people die from lightening strikes every day than from nuclear energy related sickness every year.
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July 6, 2012 12:52pm
Michael Mckee

Now CNN is helping set the scene for pedophiles
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/has-the-normalizing-of-pedophilia-begun/

Does anyone know any “Minor-attracted people “?

from 2011
That’s the gentle term being proffered by the APA (American Pyschiatric Association) for pedophiles as they try to mainstream pedophilia as just another sexual orientation.
Just read the last para.
And these are the professionals that everyone quotes.
http://www.b4uact.org/news/20110817.htm

for a different take on it from from that period.
http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/336869/
http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/336741
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July 6, 2012 12:53pm
Michael Mckee

Fletch (3,025) Says:
July 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

on the other hand if they had a nuclear war they have empty cities ready to fill with the party officials who’ve left the hoi polloi in the bombed ones??
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July 6, 2012 12:56pm
mikenmild

Maybe the Chinese know that their catholic population is growing, so they will need lots of space for bigger families!
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July 6, 2012 12:58pm
David Garrett

Princetipytoe alias Colin Brewer; a.k.a Ceri John ( I suspect): Funny you should metion BPD…An ex lover of mine once accused me of suffering the same condition…my psychiatrist didn’t agree, but then he’s only been practising for 35 years…

You ever been examined by a shrink? Submitted yourself (or any of yourselves) to analysis ?

Didn’t think so…Be brave! give it a go….You have to actually be a danger to yourself or others to be subjected to complusory treatment order…
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July 6, 2012 12:59pm
Viking2

DG. Thought I would pass this thought to you to share with Phil.

http://screencast.com/t/2MAR3OdlVcs
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July 6, 2012 1:04pm
kowtow

jonnobanks and milky

You’re baiting but so far no biting!

Isn’t this site stuffed up enuf with peeny and the other p? Why start more nonsense?FFS.
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July 6, 2012 1:06pm
David Garrett

Michael McKee: That’s scary stuff isn’t it? But also entirely predictable…once you start “normalising” things that by definition are not normal (i.e. they deviate significantly from the norm) where does that stop?

I believe those who say normalizing homosexuality is fine, because it is behaviour between consenting adults have a perfectly valid and logical point. But FWIW I recall arguing at uni 25 years ago what we would eventually be having the same “is it normal?” discussion about paedophilia, and being shouted down as a looney..(Prince: See my previous post.)
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July 6, 2012 1:07pm
kowtow

freemark

I reckon the gummint here needs to be more concerned about the high number of parents who don’t immunise their kids or take them to the free dental service on offer than getting into a tizzy about what other countries do with atoms.

Maybe we should take that fiend Rutherford off the big note?
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July 6, 2012 1:11pm
slijmbal

can we have radioactive levels reported in banana equivalent doses please? Adds a bit of sanity to the chicken little approach.
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July 6, 2012 1:28pm
dime

Airbus are building a plant in Alabama. Why there you ask?

This is from the wall street journal:

“Even without the global politics of airline manufacturing, the economic incentives for Airbus to build more plants in France are difficult. With a headcount of 1,000, the new plant would easily surpass France’s various thresholds for taking on a welter of worker “protections” and the burden of union bureaucracies.

But it’s worth noting that Airbus didn’t just pick the U.S. over France, Germany, or China. It chose Alabama over the rest of the U.S. Gee, there’s plenty of factory space available in, say, California or New York. What’s Alabama got that these famously “smart” states haven’t got?

Not least, it’s that the Yellowhammer State is one of 23 right-to-work states, which means workers are free to decide if they want to join a union. That not only makes the Alabaman labor market markedly freer than France, but also struggling states across the U.S.”

Theres always somewhere that doesnt suffer from Union grief. Its a small world now.
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July 6, 2012 1:39pm
wikiriwhis business

Now Libor has been exposed, do you think the FBI will be as diligent in seeking prosecutions of bankers as they were to Dotcom?

This is how Barclays played out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDbbrjxbJXc&feature=relmfu
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July 6, 2012 1:40pm
Yvette

slijmbal
It also meshes with the other information that you share 60% of your genes with a banana, 90% with a mouse, and more than 99% with a chimpanzee [which,ironically enough, also quite like bananas]
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July 6, 2012 1:51pm
philu

(this is very cool..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/big-pharma-is-cut-out-by-indias-plan-to-bring-medicine-to-masses/

“..India is planning a multibillion-dollar push to bring free medicines to the hundreds of millions of its citizens who, despite the country’s economic revival, still languish without access to the very basics of health care.

The $5bn initiative, which is slated to be rolled out by the end of this year, will offer 348 essential drugs to patients across the country.

In a blow to the West’s big pharmaceutical firms – the planned scheme will largely cut out branded drugs –

– opting instead for cheaper generic alternatives…”

(cont..)

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 1:55pm
thedavincimode

eewwurghhh 🙁
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July 6, 2012 2:02pm
nasska

slijmbal

I followed through on your suggestion. As near as I can make out a kilo of bananas contains 15 Bq of radiation…..a kilo of the blue fin tuna caught off the States recently was reported as containing 4 Bq. Does this sound about right?
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July 6, 2012 2:03pm
nasska

thedavincimode

That vision again! eh.
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July 6, 2012 2:05pm
Manolo

A beast gets off lightly: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8495018/girl-gets-life-sentence-for-2008-murder
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July 6, 2012 2:18pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Some of the headlines we don’t get –

NYTimes: Report suggests extensive damage from quake at Fukushima Daiichi — Pipes may have burst leading to loss of cooling within 30 minutes — “Casts doubts on safety of Japan’s entire fleet of nuclear plants”

Nuclear expert raises doubts about support columns under Spent Fuel Pool No.4 at Fukushima Daiichi

NRC Official: 90% chance that containment vessels used at Fukushima would “burst” from fuel melting down

Kyodo Feature: Residents complaining of unexplained hair loss, diarrhea, fatigue around Fukushima plant -Retired Doctor

Swiss Think-Tank: Dire situation for global environment if No. 4 fuel pool releases all radioactive material — Gov’t appears to be keeping information classified

Minamisoma Official: Plutonium detection not being published by gov’t — Mayor should be blamed if people die

Documentary: An insurance person told me people from Fukushima may not be able to get life insurance, and especially cancer insurance

News blackout of massive protest — This is not normal what is happening

• If you don’t need the light in the pantry on to see where the cans of tuna are you should probably throw them out.
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July 6, 2012 2:31pm
philu

(here is more on that topic being ignored by our media..)

http://whoar.co.nz/?s=fukushima

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 2:39pm
nasska

Puzzled in Ekatahuna

And now for the $64.000 question. Why are we being shielded from these revelations?

Under normal circumstances I would expect our breathless TV autocue readers to be dribbling from their mouths while hyperventilating this news to us at 600 words/min. The nation’s newspapers would normally consign vital information concerning Lotto winners & Tom Cruise’s martial problems to page 5 in order to milk the pathos surrounding the prospect of radiation poisoning.

But nothing?
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July 6, 2012 2:45pm
kowtow

ayee yaaaaa

Godzillaaaaaaaaaa…………..
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July 6, 2012 2:51pm
Manolo

A bureaucrat’s wet dream: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/lawyers-have-already-drafted-13000-pages-of-regulations-for-new-obamatax-law/
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July 6, 2012 2:54pm
Weihana

David Garrett (2,184) Says:
July 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

Michael McKee: That’s scary stuff isn’t it? But also entirely predictable…once you start “normalising” things that by definition are not normal (i.e. they deviate significantly from the norm) where does that stop?

I believe those who say normalizing homosexuality is fine, because it is behaviour between consenting adults have a perfectly valid and logical point. But FWIW I recall arguing at uni 25 years ago what we would eventually be having the same “is it normal?” discussion about paedophilia, and being shouted down as a looney..(Prince: See my previous post.)

Who is having this discussion? I see some psychiatrists who may or may not be NAMBLA in drag. They may be genuinely trying to address the mental health needs of paedophiles as best they can, or they may be trying to normalize behaviour that is intolerable. In any case I don’t see any great movement of people to change their attitudes and view harmful behaviour as tolerable.

What I do see is a thinly veiled attempt by a conservative to link homosexuality with paedophilia by suggesting that they both employ the same “strategy”. Gee, and it’s an election year where the president has come out in support of gay marriage. Coincidence? Nah.

Reisman also endorses a book called “The Pink Swastika,” which challenges the “myths” that gays were victimized in Nazi Germany. The Nazi Party and the Holocaust itself, she writes, were largely the creation of “the German homosexual movement.” Thanks to Alfred Kinsey, she warns, the American homosexual movement is poised to repeat those crimes. “Idealistic ‘gay youth’ groups are being formed and staffed in classrooms nationwide by recruiters too similar to those who formed the original ‘Hitler youth.’ ”

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/12/06/041206ta_talk_radosh#ixzz1zo8v9kId
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July 6, 2012 3:04pm
graham

Puzzled in Ekatahuna, nasska:

I don’t think it’s necessarily a conspiracy on our media’s part. I just think it’s the simple fact that our media tends to be very inward looking, except for a very few exceptions which are easy for them to pick up on. But also, to be fair, some of the stories do make it into the MSM here – you just have to hunt to find out where they’re buried.

The story about the tuna caught in the US that showed elevated levels of radiation; the expected boom in solar energy in Japan due to Fukushima; the orders from Japan’s leadership that forced workers to stay at the nuclear plant; stories about tens of thousands of people living in crowded shelters months after the disaster – these stories are all in the Herald, but you just don’t see them on the front page.
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July 6, 2012 3:07pm
Weihana

Michael McKee,

Ok, my bad, just noticed that Reisman made her comments last year before the President’s endorsement of gay marriage. Still, she’s a nut even if her concern regarding b4uact are well founded. Homosexuality isn’t tolerated because of a “strategy” but rather because religious dogma isn’t enough to dissuade people from considering matters rationally. People generally tolerate harmless behaviour and do not tolerate harmful behaviour. Homosexuality is tolerated because it is not harmful.
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July 6, 2012 3:12pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

nasska – And now for the $64.000 question. Why are we being shielded from these revelations?

My guess is
• the USA won’t touch it because of their own ageing, risky nuclear power plants would have attention drawn to them
• Japan ‘herself’ would loose ‘face’ to comment internationally
• New Zealand journalists print or screen little that requires any investigative skills.

[‘Face’ is largely misunderstood by the West. It means to some extent Japan will not ask for help, and more so, it means in the New Zealand context, they will keep whaling even if they never eat one ounce of what is loosing its value currently in warehouses currently stocked with unsaleable whale meat.]
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July 6, 2012 3:13pm
nasska

graham

I subscribe to the Dom Post which may even be more useless than the Herald but I have seen little in the way of information on Fukashima & what there is is in the vein of the tuna story.

What seems to be ignored is any sort of reporting on what is being done to contain the spent rods which could easily be exposed by another earthquake. Considering the hysteria generated by the socialist dominated media over US Navy visits I would have thought that the possible nuclear contamination of an entire country & half the Pacific Ocean may have been worth a few column inches as a stand alone story.
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July 6, 2012 3:20pm
nasska

Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Lack of “face” could well account for official Japanese reticence but there are sufficient Western “journalists” based in Japan to dig around & present us with a few facts. Monique who comments here quite frequently runs her own blog “Yea or Nay” & is currently resident in California. She might shine some light on whether the American people know what could hit them.
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July 6, 2012 3:26pm
thedavincimode

But nasska, two bimbos were boxing last night!!!!!!!!

One was wearing a bikini FFS.
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July 6, 2012 3:29pm
Pete George

I just felt that 4.9 in Dunedin (in a ground sensitive building) – that must have been a bit of a wobble in Christchurch.
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July 6, 2012 3:33pm
MikeMan

Manolo

It is intresting to contrast the headlines for that story.

Stuff Killer’s jail time cut

NZHerald Killer teenager resentenced to life

Shows the bias that exists, personally I think that the Stuff headline is less misleading.
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July 6, 2012 3:36pm
philu

“…I subscribe to the Dom Post which may even be more useless than the Herald …”

two funny things…

1)..the use of the word ‘may’….in that sentence..

2)..that anyone both subscribes to that provincial throwaway/rag…and/or regards it as some form of a source of serious news…

(i think..that like the herald..they actually caught up with the great global economic meltdown…after it happened…as just one example..

..our local mainstream media..is in the main…crappy/useless at what they are supposed to do…)

..with that anorexic-offering the dominion post…one of the most dire..)

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 3:37pm
philu

i’ve seen no reason to change my initial reaction from the first time i saw one of those dom-post rags in the flesh..

..which was..’is that it..?’

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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July 6, 2012 3:43pm
Lindsay Addie

That 4.9 aftershock definitely rolled and rumbled around for ages over the north-west side of Chch where I live.
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