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wiseowl

yay!
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July 28, 2012 8:18am
Brian Smaller

Here we go again
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/7366998/Hungry-children-fed-by-teachers

And the solution apparently is to give them more money. Yeah, like that will work.

It DOES NOT cost a lot to provide a decent breakfast for kids.
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July 28, 2012 8:30am
Keeping Stock

Naughty Dominion-Post; did they not think that no-one would notice if they didn’t mention that a person fronting a lobby group for 26 week paid parental leave was a former MP and Minister? Perhaps it was the hyphenated name, or perhaps the journo concerned is too young to remember the political landscape between 1996 and 1999.

Whichever, it’s more shoddy journalism from the Dom-Post.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/we-cant-help-but-wonder_28.html
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July 28, 2012 8:40am
Pete George

Fran O’Sullivan writes about David Parker in Labour mouse’s roar has business listening:

Finally – some eights months after the election – somebody high up in Labour is trying to give due thought to what they would do in power, rather than simply jumping on every contentious issue and hammering the daylight out of the Government.

Is this a sign that at last someone in Labour is starting to get what’s required to build support and prepare for returning to the government benches?

It’s a pity that it wasn’t started eight months after the 2008 election.
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July 28, 2012 8:40am
Redbaiter

The other liberal National Party shill continues his assault on Colin Craig and the Conservative party.

Cam Slater should realise that if the National Party wasn’t such a group of gutless liberal toadies who have totally betrayed that party’s founding principles, there wouldn’t be any need for the Conservative Party.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/07/its-not-intelligent-to-pretend-you-are-a-politician/
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July 28, 2012 8:56am
Colville

Brian Smaller, 2 weetbix $0.19, half cup milk $0.18, spoonful of sugar $0.03 = $0.40
A clean plate to put it in would be impossible to find however.
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July 28, 2012 8:57am
Viking2

So as things proceed we uncover the political bandits.
we uncover those that don’t tell the truth when asked and we uncover the long arm of the FBI, MPA and the incompetence of of our law makers and supposed defenders of NZ civil Liberties.
Why should any of us have faith that the current Ministers are there for NZ interests?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7364770/NZ-intertwined-in-US-Megaupload-case
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July 28, 2012 9:06am
dog_eat_dog

Redbaiter, last time I checked, the Conservative Party’s manifesto was “A wizard did it” so Craig moving into a castle seems oddly fitting.

Also, fiscal conservatism is different to social conservatism. It’s possible to be a conservative and not just arbitrarily hate certain people in society just because a sky fairy told you to.
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July 28, 2012 9:07am
Other_Andy

“….just arbitrarily hate certain people in society….”

Hyperbole alert!
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July 28, 2012 9:11am
Brian Smaller

Cam Slater is more worked up about gay marriage than most gays. Did a bit of reading about this yesterday. I think gay marriage is way more important to gay women than men. I guess a lot of women want a wedding with all the trimmings.
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July 28, 2012 9:17am
Jimmy Smits

Redbaiter (365) Says:
July 28th, 2012 at 8:56 am

The other liberal National Party shill continues his assault on Colin Craig and the Conservative party.

This is what the Conservative Party is like:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JqjW-hpB1L4/UBIOYJIE6II/AAAAAAAAAYc/UFA1MvF_GUI/s1600/141727.jpg
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July 28, 2012 9:17am
Redbaiter

Other_Andy- “Hyperbole alert!”

That’s right Andy-

All who oppose homosexual marriage are bigoted narrow minded intolerant sky fairy believing redneck homophobic insane haters.

Its the only explanation that works for liberals.

They don’t have the intellectual resources to see it any other way.
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July 28, 2012 9:19am
Redbaiter

Brian Smaller- “Cam Slater is more worked up about gay marriage than most gays.”

Dave Farrar ain’t far behind him.

Both should join Labour, where such liberal ideas are so revered the party is almost completely dominated by homosexuals.
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July 28, 2012 9:28am
dog_eat_dog

Well you seem to think being conservative means you have to have a problem with people because of their orientation, so I guess that makes me liberal by definition.

Also, I said nothing about the colour of your neck. Insecure much?

In the interests of an actual conversation, Redbaiter, what is your main issue with gay marriage?
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July 28, 2012 9:29am
Viking2

Hollywood under attack.
Their business model is dying and with most things USA the business is dying with it. That won’t stop the businesses attacking their customers. Remembering that customers are king in any transaction doesn’t seem to register with the MPA. They have been losing theatre attendees for years and years.
Question how often and when did you last get fancied up and go to the cinema?
How many of you now have home entertainment with 51 inch screens all set to watch movies at home?

The Answer for most maybe once a year, can’t be bothered and more and more of us.
Will Fast braodband change that. Hell yes.
So three questions.
1. Why doesn’t Hollywood join the 21st Century?
2. Why does Peter Jackson and co need Hollywood?
3. What does Bollywood do? ( Hint: Bollywood available online)

For a mere few million we could have decent servers and cable based in NZ capable of SERVCING THE WORLD, with Peter Jackson movies. No need to prop up the ailing Movie theatrer’s of America.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/7366428/Hollywoods-business-model-under-attack

Megaupload didn’t just have people sharing movies as its customers.

It had people, thousands of them using the Megaupload Cloud for storage and backups and all sorts of things.
The FBI rather than target the piracy content attacked all those thousands of other customers who were going about their own legitimate business. People who had stored record of their family tree’s, business accounts et al & including the FBI, USA govt. agencies and the military personel based off shore.
Surely that makes the FBI, a dumb case. Pissing off thousands of people for the sake of a few.
Does it also not create a concern about future cloud based businesses?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7364771/Megaupload-Hollywood-vs-the-Internet

and now it seems our naive Politicians have been sucked in by the MPA and FBI.
No wonder the world dispises the USA.
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July 28, 2012 9:31am
Redbaiter

dog_eat_dog- “In the interests of an actual conversation,”

Sorry, don’t enjoy conversations with liberals at all.

I find their lack of political perspective, their pathetic need to cling to trendy Marxist ideas, their personal insecurity and their general all round political ignorance makes such an event a complete and utter bore.

Try someone else.
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July 28, 2012 9:33am
dog_eat_dog

I’m amazed you can lift a finger on your keyboard under the weight of all that irony.

May the God of your choice bless you.
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July 28, 2012 9:39am
Manolo

I cannot fathom DPF’s fixation with gay issues in general, and marriage in particular.
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July 28, 2012 9:39am
Viking2

Redbaiter (367) Says:
July 28th, 2012 at 9:28 am

They don’t have the intellectual resources to see it any other way.

Well Redbullshiter.
You have been around the place ranting like a demented twat for a whole lot of years.
Has anyone yet taken any notice of you??

Other than a couple of other demented syncophants has anybody taken to reading your blog?

Didn’t think so. Perhaps that shows your intellectual capapcity is a giant in your mind only.

Clearly being of the “RIGHT” as you like to claim you would allow other people to have other opinions of various subjects and you would not want to interfere in the lives of others unnessarily.

BUT, that’s not you. You want to control thEIr lives and stick youR big nose in and tell them what they can and can’t do, force upon them what your opinion of right or wrong is.

That’s you isn’t it.

You are not of the right but mearly a bullying, control freak of the hard left.

Go away and join the Communist Party.
That’s your style.
MuLdoons Enemy
RED UNDER THE BED.
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July 28, 2012 9:39am
lilman

Piss off- homosexuals and marriage ,this is another bullshit call.
MY opinion is no, if yours is different fair enough ,thats your opinion.

Its like calling a dog a cat.
You can call it a cat for the next 100 years,but in reality it a dog.

WOOF WOOF.
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July 28, 2012 9:40am
wat dabney

Ha ha. The sound of Colin Craig tying himself in knots.

Listening to people trying to justify their bigotry is always entertaining. Trying to pretend it’s all for the children.

Remember, this is the twisted mentality which prevented Elton John from adopting an AID-infected orphan. This rich man in his castle would rather such children were left to die unloved and lonely in a grimy Ukrainian orphanage.
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July 28, 2012 9:42am
Redbaiter

Viking, seeing you have asked, I’ll tell you.

I have a twenty year plan to change political perceptions in NZ and right now I see the internet as the most effective place to pursue this objective.

For the first ten years, I directed my attacks upon the left. And when I first started, there wasn’t even any acknowledgment that there was any left in NZ. Now, we have a clear and growing divide between the Marxists and the Conservatives.

I consider my internet efforts to have played a big part in these changing perceptions. You probably don’t agree, but your opinions aren’t worth shit to me anyway.

The second phase of my plan (starting in 2010) involves a ten year assault on the fake right. Those who claim (like you) to be right wingers, but are in fact just enablers of Marxism.

I want to make the POV that the so called right in NZ has completely failed its supporters a prominent and widespread political perception.

And I will do that.

Stupid little inarticulate and confused ranters like you can complain all you like, but you are impotent and ineffective.

I will achieve my objective, so suck on it you weak as piss commie loser.
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July 28, 2012 9:50am
Reid

A much more important topic than gay marriage.

http://www.zengardner.com/whos-winning-the-war-on-you/

It’s interesting BTW to observe the people on that issue who express bigoted views are almost always the liberals, with their unjustified frankly insane accusations such as wat’s 9:42. Ah well so what’s new. Liberals are hypocrites. Who’d a thunk.

http://www.lsnewsgroup.com/2012/07/27/conservatives-are-not-the-bigoted-homophobes-liberals-say-they-are/
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July 28, 2012 9:54am
Viking2

One thing we will agree on. The “right” has compromised itself.
Beyond that you are no less than an abusive Nazi. And remeber Hitler was off the Left.
Your POV doesn’t rank with many other than yourself.
You have changed nothing except perhaps in your own mind.
The Consrvatives are not of the right but just another religious variant of the compromised right. i.e. the National Party.

You see you can’t even get your definitions correct.
Intellectual Red. Hmmph.
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July 28, 2012 9:56am
john.bt

If kids are being sent to school hungry why aren’t the parents being prosecuted for child abuse?
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July 28, 2012 9:57am
Redbaiter

The Conservatives Viking, are merely a means to unseat the power base that controls the present politically corrupt National Party.

It is essential that we break the grip on power that the Progressives have within National. Those who have made the National Party into something completely different to what its founders intended.

The Conservative Party will help us achieve that objective.
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July 28, 2012 10:01am
wat dabney

“I have a twenty year plan to change political perceptions in NZ and right now I see the internet as the most effective place to pursue this objective.

For the first ten years, I directed my attacks upon the left. And when I first started, there wasn’t even any acknowledgment that there was any left in NZ. Now, we have a clear and growing divide between the Marxists and the Conservatives.

I consider my internet efforts to have played a big part in these changing perceptions. You probably don’t agree, but your opinions aren’t worth shit to me anyway.

The second phase of my plan involves a ten year assault on the fake right. Those who claim (like you) to be right wingers, but are in fact just enablers of Marxism.”

And all this time we thought your relentless confused, unintelligible angry rants were just a frustrated man in his pyjama bottoms lashing out in his bitterness at the World for his lack of success. It turns out we were wrong, it was actually a carefully planned public-relations strategy to shift the nature of political discourse in this country on its very axis.
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July 28, 2012 10:06am
Reid

Here’s http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/25/slouching-towards-nuremberg/
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July 28, 2012 10:11am
Redbaiter

Whose is “we” Wat?

You and the other 800 morons who voted for the Libertarian Party?

Or just the usual imaginary cheering crowd all liberals believe is following them about?
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July 28, 2012 10:11am
Reid

FFS, stupid WordPress.

Here’s a good summary of what people have tolerated arising in the US, while many in the US itself and outside it, have stood by silently. History repeats, when you forget it, is not a difficult or complicated lesson. I wonder why many even most people, have such trouble learning it.

BTW RB, has it ever occurred that watching idealogues arguing the toss over their favoured ideology is one of the most mind-numbingly boring activities known to man? It’s like watching pain dry. Neither side says anything new, it’s just repetition ad infinitum.
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July 28, 2012 10:13am
Redbaiter

Reid, has it ever occurred to you that endless posts underpinned by delirious left wing conspiracy theories might just fit the definition of boring a bit more accurately than the comments you identify?

When comment rating existed on Kiwiblog my comments almost always received top ratings. (In fact I believe I scored over 100 once). IIRC, yours attracted zero.

Take a look right now on Whale Oil blog, where there is a comments rating system, and you’ll see my comments there frequently attract high ratings.

Say what you like about the unpopularity of Redbaiter’s views and his writings, the facts show otherwise.
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July 28, 2012 10:21am
wat dabney

I particularly like this bit:

“I consider my internet efforts to have played a big part in these changing perceptions.”

That right, Red. Your thought-provoking and incisive contributions simply cannot be ignored, challenging as they do our priors and ruthlessly exposing the collectivist orthodoxies perpetuated by the comfortable mainstream media.

Oh no, wait. I remember now. You’re the guy whose efforts have not once got beyond infantile abuse and calling everyone who disagrees with you a marxist: someone who makes philu look like a serious and coherent political thinker.
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July 28, 2012 10:23am
Redbaiter

Yawn.

Enjoy your opinions you pathetic buzzing mosquito.

If you ever understood how little they impress me you wouldn’t bother with the effort of writing them.
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July 28, 2012 10:27am
Reid

IIRC, yours attracted zero….Say what you like about the unpopularity of Redbaiter’s views and his writings, the facts show otherwise.

No you don’t recall correctly RB, but you just continue your fantasy, you seem to enjoy it. GL with your crusade, but like I said, be aware your every comment merely repeats the same tired old message just in a slightly different way and if we’ve got another 8 or so years of that to endure, then have mercy on us, FFS and give us a break every now and then. Lest we all put you into the same bin as we have already put philu and penny, and you wouldn’t want that, would you.
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July 28, 2012 10:28am
wat dabney

Red,

I imagine from your detached Olympian heights very little impresses you.

Now, haven’t you got an important strategising meeting you need to attend. With the cat.
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July 28, 2012 10:31am
Redbaiter

Reid- “Lest we all put you into the same bin as we have already put philu and penny, and you wouldn’t want that, would you.”

I don’t care what bin you put me in Reid.

Its just not important to me.

You’re not important to me.

Its not you I am reaching out to.

That’s why the message needs to be repeated and repeated and repeated.

I’m surprised an astute conspiracy identifier like you hasn’t worked that out.
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July 28, 2012 10:34am
Keeping Stock

@ Redbaiter – walt’s “we” at 10.06am is as valid to him as your use of “us” in your 10.01am.

For one who goes on a whole lot about personal freedom and the founding principles of the National Party, you have a remarkable ability to shit all over the freedoms of those who choose to believe something different to what you believe.
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July 28, 2012 10:34am
Other_Andy

The Real Olympic Spirit

The Lebanese judo team at the 2012 London Olympics refused to practice next to the Israeli one on Friday afternoon, and a makeshift barrier was erected to split their gym into two halves.
According to several Hebrew sports sites, the two teams were scheduled to use the same gym and mats at London’s new ExCeL center for their final preparations. However, the delegation from Lebanon would not train in view of the Israeli team, and insisted some sort of barrier be placed between them.
Organizers accepted the Lebanese coach’s demand to separate the teams, erecting a barrier so that the Lebanese team wouldn’t see the Israeli one.
The incident was the first political one between Israel and other countries during the 2012 Games, which don’t formally get under way until Friday evening’s opening ceremony. It happened only days after the Iranian delegation head stated his nation’s athletes would compete with Israelis, a statement which was quickly rejected by Tehran, which tried to suggest that his true sentiment was lost in translation.
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July 28, 2012 10:42am
renderer

@ Redbaiter If your veiws were of appeal to others-would your site not have more traffic?
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July 28, 2012 10:42am
Redbaiter

Keeping Stock- “walt’s “we” at 10.06am is as valid to him as your use of “us” in your 10.01am.”

Not at all, the “us” referred to Viking and myself.

And I don’t “shit” on anyone’s freedoms.

That is an absurd allegation.

I have no power to do that even if I wanted to.

One thing about you fake right wingers, you are often more illogical than the left.

Which is how it has to be of course for your position is in most cases completely hollow and ridden with hypocrisy.

Like the National Party you support.
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July 28, 2012 10:47am
Fletch

James Bond escorting the Queen to the opening of the 2012 Olympics –

http://youtu.be/T0EtNLJS21o
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July 28, 2012 10:49am
UpandComer

Red-Baiter, you’re a delusional demented dingbat silly idiotic fool. Like anyone who suffers from a more then moderate psychological deficit you believe that your actions have some bearing on the real world. They don’t. Nothing you are doing/do is important in any way. No one is listening to your stupid raving about ‘communists’ and ‘liberals’. You don’t even know what those words mean, you just throw them around like some 1950’s Alabama loon. You and Pennybright should get together because you’re both about as credible as each other, although she is actually more effectual the you are, which is amazing isn’t it. Your vast 20 year plan sounds like a complete waste of time, why don’t you go outside and stroke your world war II replica gear and watch Fox news on repeat. Seriously, you sound like a total fruitcake nutcase. Why are you even on this blog. You should be on a blog for suvivalists buying up weapons for the zombine apocalypse and the impending ‘yellow peril’. You aren’t even of the right bro, you actually sound like a fascist, and that completes the circle all the way around to the left again. The conservative party and any other party wouldn’t want to be associated with you, a loon. Your views are not going to suddenly take NZ by storm Crazy person. The current National party are superlative. It’s people like you that make parties like Act seems so unpalatable to everyone else. I guarantee you that if national did 1/20th of the silly crap you espouse, they would never, ever, ever ,ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be in government. Lol you silly twat, you really are deluded huh. You need a time machine to go work for Mccarthy, although you’re probably a bit extreme for him.
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July 28, 2012 10:50am
Keeping Stock

It’s nice to know that Redbaiter and Viking are collectively going to rescue as from the creep of socialism. I shall go to bed tonight feeling far safer, after a Tui or several!
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July 28, 2012 11:00am
cha

The New Yorker, September 16, 1972: A letter from Munich .
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July 28, 2012 11:02am
wiseowl

People voted for National last election to get rid of Clark and co.
They have now left the National Party in droves because they have been mislead.People expected to see some of the extraordinary changes in legislation dealt with.Privy council for one.People thought JK was listening about the Bradford smack in the teeth bill. People thought we would have an army and a navy and an airforce.people thought we may see some sanity and see one law for all.

The National Government have let the majority down.They are now entering the arrogant stage no more apparent from minister carter last week and his attack on the horticultural industry for daring to challenge over biosecurity issues.

So U an C you support them.
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July 28, 2012 11:03am
Redbaiter

Upandcomer- “Red-Baiter, you’re a delusional demented dingbat silly idiotic fool.”

Maybe, but its me they’re all writing about, and you yourself have just written an amazingly wordy appraisal which I haven’t even read past the first two or three lines.

If I am so ineffective, why all the attention?

I mean nobody at all is writing about Upandcomer. (for example)
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July 28, 2012 11:03am
renderer

Redbaiter…Why all the attention…You are the new philu
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July 28, 2012 11:09am
Redbaiter

“If your veiws were of appeal to others-would your site not have more traffic?”

I am quite happy with the traffic my site got when I had the opportunity to operate it. Blogging is something that you have to continue with. Unfortunately, I have to make a living and In my profession, I frequently cannot spare the time to blog.

Secondly, I don’t at all expect my ideas to gain immediate currency. That’s the idea behind the ten/ten year plan.
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July 28, 2012 11:15am
UpandComer

No one is writing about me being a political blogger, true. You are ineffective, it’s just fun to point that out to you
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July 28, 2012 11:18am
Redbaiter

Enjoy your “fun” loser.

I’ll just get on with the job.
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July 28, 2012 11:26am
Steve (North Shore)

Strange, Phool called blogging a job as well. It is not a job Red, it is a Blog – a place to share, discuss and debate.

Get your hand off it 🙂
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July 28, 2012 11:39am
Viking2

Keeping Stock (7,911) Says:
July 28th, 2012 at 11:00 am

It’s nice to know that Redbaiter and Viking are collectively going to rescue as from the creep of socialism. I shall go to bed tonight feeling far safer, after a Tui or several!

Umm KS. Why would you lump me in with Red.
Oh because you are a right wing socialist. Probably.
Clearly like the National Party you have no Principles which guide you. Like them its all about power over others, which of course is the problem that I pointed out with both Red and the Conservatives.
Just fuck off out of peoples lives and let us get on with what we need/want to do. As long as no one annoys me and I don’t interfere with or annoy others where is the problem.
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July 28, 2012 11:41am
Viking2

http://screencast.com/t/QT9iReRn
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July 28, 2012 11:45am
Steve (North Shore)

Obama wriggling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llQUrko0Gqw&feature=player_embedded
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July 28, 2012 11:45am
Viking2

http://screencast.com/t/S0NHuaXYInH
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July 28, 2012 11:46am
Viking2

Over 75 per cent of US corn and soybean crops were in areas hit by drought, he said, a national crisis.

Yesterday the Department of Agriculture said food prices would rise next year by 3 to 4 per cent.

Milk, eggs, beef, poultry and pork prices will all be hit by the drought, which has pushed up prices for feed.

As corn and soybean prices reach record highs, farmers in the US corn belt are faced with a stark choice: harvest emaciated crops or walk away.

Livestock farmers, unable to afford feed, are culling or selling stock. Ethanol plants are being closed. As borrowing soars, small rural communities brace for the economic fallout.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10822428
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July 28, 2012 12:04pm
thedavincimode

Redbaiter, you poor delusional fuckwit. Keep up the good work because without you, it just wouldn’t be anywhere near as funny here.

If you actually think that attracting four or five equally delusional fuckwits to your pirated brand of bigotry represents a watershed event in revealing a political divide, then you, my silly old fruit, are off with the fairies.

I have a twenty year plan …

For the first ten years, I directed my attacks upon the left.

… I consider my internet efforts to have played a big part in these changing perceptions.

The second phase of my plan (starting in 2010) involves a ten year assault on the fake right.

oooh errr … phase 2 ( 🙄 ) … look out world. PPffft.

What a pompous, narcissistic idiot. Too funny. 😆
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July 28, 2012 12:17pm
hj

Mr bean at Olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aZSYI0HV4Y
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July 28, 2012 12:32pm
Manolo

What is to live in the 7th century: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10822045
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July 28, 2012 12:35pm
Pete George

Redbaiter at 9:50 am

I have a twenty year plan to change political perceptions in NZ and right now I see the internet as the most effective place to pursue this objective.

For the first ten years, I directed my attacks upon the left. And when I first started, there wasn’t even any acknowledgment that there was any left in NZ. Now, we have a clear and growing divide between the Marxists and the Conservatives.

The claim that “there wasn’t even any acknowledgment that there was any left in NZ” is preposterous, and that’s just about the most lucid claim RB made.
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July 28, 2012 1:11pm
wf

Mr Bean vid has been blocked by the Olympic Committee ‘due to copyright reasons’. It was the best bit of the whole show – or what I saw of it.
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July 28, 2012 1:14pm
joana

Gosh that McVicar gets around. Now he is an expert on prisoner medical costs. [Waikato Times ] Is there anything he isn’t an expert on?? He gets a hell of a lot of airtime for someone with absolutely no qualifications.
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July 28, 2012 1:16pm
kowtow

Redbaiter

Great to see you back! Keep up the good work. The internet is a great way now to raise awareness,especially now that the MSM and political parties of the “right” are so compromised.

At least people can have the opportunity to have access to genuine conservative views , which,as can be seen from the yakking usual suspects here of all colours,libertarian,left and wet National,makes them very uncomfortable.
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July 28, 2012 1:19pm
Keeping Stock

@ Viking2 – I didn’t lump you in with Redbaiter; Redbaiter did, in his 10.47am 😀
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July 28, 2012 1:22pm
Dave Mann

As a Pom (albeit a long time ago now), I was saddened and embarrassed to watch the Olympic opening ceremony. The special effects and overall art direction were amazing, but I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw them glorifying overblown inefficient bureaucracy, the silly old queen examining her nails as her own team entered the stadium and the inappropriate promotion of the country’s military being just a few examples. The last and most cringeworthy straw came at the end, with that pathetic git warbling his nonsense song about nothing connected to anything at all and unsuccessfully trying to involve the audience… OMG…. just so sad….

But, on a lighter note, at least that other crooning poofy piano player who normally features at these public weddings and funerals stayed home, so it wasn’t all bad, and the Kiwis looked great in their silver fern blazers and they did our small country proud in the parade.
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July 28, 2012 1:30pm
noskire

General Debate should be renamed General Masturbate because it seems to be habitually hijacked by a bunch of wankers.
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July 28, 2012 1:33pm
Rufus

Brian Smaller 9:17

Cam is obsessed with making sure gays are allowed to enter into marriage because he screwed up his own.

To assuage his own guilt, he’s trying to find a “cause” to fight for, a “wrong” to right.

Yes, we could all learn a lot from Cam.
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July 28, 2012 1:34pm
krazykiwi

wf – Lots of copies up there now. Like this one.
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July 28, 2012 1:36pm
Other_Andy

@Dave Mann

Enjoyed parts of the opening ceremony.
The inclusion of the UN and the militairy with the Olympic flag was bad taste.
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July 28, 2012 1:56pm
princetipytoe

Joana
This is a link you may have seen about how Garth McVicar lied on behalf of Garrett to cover up stealing from a dead child.

He is no better than Garrett who is a known liar, cheat, thief and bully.

Surprisingly after the Paul Henry interview with McVicar that Kiwis still believe what he says.

Mcvicar claimed in this link that Garrett is dishonest and most likely still has more skeletons in his closet.

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/sensible-sentencing-trust-defends-garrett-3782605/video
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July 28, 2012 2:04pm
thedavincimode

Hey Manolo

Where’s the link to the Herald front page this morning?? Was he the wrong ethnicity?? 🙂
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July 28, 2012 2:26pm
wat dabney

Red,

“Secondly, I don’t at all expect my ideas to gain immediate currency. That’s the idea behind the ten/ten year plan”

Your plan sounds extremely ambitious, consisting as it inevitably must of a considerable opus of intellectual inquiry challenging the moral foundations underpinning the coercive welfare state and validating in its place a reversion to individual sovereignty, familial bonds and private charity. Doubtless to be published later in collected book form.

However, one can’t but be a little disappointed with the result of your first decade’s work, consisting as it does exclusively of schoolyard name-calling. Still, you are doubtless just clearing your throat. I’m sure the second half will be considerably more substantial.
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July 28, 2012 3:30pm
Other_Andy

Brain dead patients could be kept alive to harvest their organs for NHS

Hospitals could be allowed to keep patients with massive brain injuries alive solely to harvest their organs, under controversial plans being floated by the NHS.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9433565/Brain-dead-patients-could-be-kept-alive-to-harvest-their-organs-for-NHS.html

If true, this sounds truly creepy…..
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July 28, 2012 3:32pm
Redbaiter

Thedavincimoron- “Keep up the good work because without you, it just wouldn’t be anywhere near as funny here.”

Yep of course, that’s why you wrote all those complaint emails to David Farrar so he would shut me out of Kiwiblog during the election campaign.

Demerits for saying “fuckwit”…

Pfffffft, what a complete fucking farce.

That’s the problem you and other panty waisted homosexual liberals have to deal with.

Once people realise the only string you have to your bow is attempted ridicule, it doesn’t work anymore.

If you weren’t so thick and so damn full of yourself, you’d realise that.
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July 28, 2012 3:49pm
Pete George

Once people realise the only string you have to your bow is attempted ridicule, it doesn’t work anymore.

If you weren’t so thick and so damn full of yourself, you’d realise that.

Never fails to self lampoon.

so he would shut me out of Kiwiblog during the election campaign.

He stomped away from KB in a humungous hissy fit, vowing never to return, then on his own blog (or that other one) was so full and thick of ridicule of DPF and KB it’s a wonder he has the gall to return.

Must be a cunning part of the plan.
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July 28, 2012 4:00pm
Redbaiter

All you ever do and all you have ever done Pete is lie.

Tiresome.
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July 28, 2012 4:05pm
noskire

What happened to philu? Did the period key on his keyboard finally die?
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July 28, 2012 4:13pm
Redbaiter

From Marxist Saul Alinsky’s book “Rules For Radicals”-

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Unless you know and understand the tactic that is.

And of course it raises the question-

If there is a legitimate and reasoned counter argument to a viewpoint, why the need for ridicule?

Leftists commonly attempt to use Rule 5 because they don’t have logical or informed counter arguments.
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July 28, 2012 4:18pm
chiz

philu’s blog is still alive and he doesn’t have enough demerits to be banned. He appears to be staying away voluntarily.
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July 28, 2012 4:25pm
chiz

Destiny may be interested in running a charter school after all.
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July 28, 2012 4:27pm
Luke Mutton

If there is a legitimate and reasoned counter argument to a viewpoint, why the need for ridicule?

because some people, eg, extreme right wingers, god botherers, Republicans, Tea partiers and your good-self are immune to argument and your ideas are so ridiculous that ridicule is the most logical response.
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July 28, 2012 4:29pm
liarbors a joke

Go the Redbaiter…nothing like watching the panty wearing left on KB get wound up.
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July 28, 2012 4:35pm
hj

princetipytoe (46) Says:
July 28th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Joana
This is a link you may have seen about how Garth McVicar lied on behalf of Garrett to cover up stealing from a dead child.

….
dipstick it was 26 years ago and he didn’t use the passport he “fraudulently obtained by using the identity of a dead child”. The fact that he did that doesn’t disqualify him as anyones justice spokesman anymore than (eg) Greg Newbolt not being a criminologist because he was once a criminal.
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July 28, 2012 4:37pm
Manolo

Go the Redbaiter…

Ditto.
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July 28, 2012 4:37pm
Manolo

Where’s the link to the Herald front page this morning?? Was he the wrong ethnicity??

davinci: you have confirmed my suspicion: you’re a loyall Labour-lite follower, the kind that prostrates in front of Key without questioning Smile-and-wave, another Adolf. Shame on you, mate. 😀
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July 28, 2012 4:43pm
Northland Wahine

what are you? phil’s long lost twin? Seriously, bloody tiresome.
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July 28, 2012 4:49pm
Johnboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoR4jeB6OI0

Just thought I should play this for Milkymaid and his team of half-catholics! 🙂

Perhaps if they adopt the faith fully they may gain redemption and one day get to contest the Jubilee Cup!!!! 🙂 🙂
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July 28, 2012 4:56pm
Redbaiter

Northern Ball and Chain- “what are you? phil’s long lost twin? Seriously, bloody tiresome.”

Don’t worry about it.

I’m sure most people know David Garret even though a bit of a political buffoon, is at heart a decent enough guy.

And anyone can see Princetapeworm is a sick and obsessive psychopath.

Best ignored.
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July 28, 2012 5:00pm
Johnboy

Martians rule!!!! 🙂
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July 28, 2012 5:03pm
chiz

Rule what?
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July 28, 2012 5:12pm
Johnboy

Norths! 🙂
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July 28, 2012 5:12pm
princetipytoe

Red Baiter

A neighbour said Garrett was the “most disliked person in Kaukapakapa”, “He calls [his wife] an effing native, eff off back to your tribe,”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6082942/I-was-a-roughneck-by-occupation-and-by-behaviour
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July 28, 2012 5:33pm
Reid

This is going to upset quite a few people. (I decided to abandon the cognitive dissonance warnings as they never worked, but if I was still giving them it’s another black diamond.)

Mons Vaticanus: Satanic Sovereign City State of The Dead, Nazi’s & Whore of Babylon

Rather than being re-assigned to another Intel project, Hitler was promptly and honorably discharged from military service by the end of February 1920 and overnight went from unemployed minor party member to savior of the DAP by providing all the necessary gold to keep the Münchener Beobachter (Munich Observer ) and the DAP afloat.

In a measure of the influence and control Hitler now had as the miraculous financier, the party changed its name in March 1920 to Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or (NSDAP) –National Socialist German Workers’ Party and the name of its paper to Völkischer Beobachter (People’s Observer) after its purchase by the re-named NSDAP from the Thule Society.

Later, the Jesuits wrote the lie in Mein Kampf that this strategic decision to change the party was made by erratic alcoholic and drug addict Dietrich Eckart. What is never mentioned is that Hitler came bearing millions of dollars of gold seemingly out of “thin air” to turn a small eclectic band into a political movement.Vatican Hofjuden Rothschild/Rockefeller funneled money via Wall Street to Rudolph Hess for Jesuits new puppet….

…It is frequently and incorrectly claimed that the word “Nazi” comes from haphazard extraction of letters from first word of the name of the NSDAP – NAtionalsoZIalistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei to produce a simple abbreviation. This explanation is patently false as the NSDAP already has a perfectly good and well known abbreviation- NSDAP! The word “Nazi” appeared only after Hitler assumed power invited by Franz Von Papen for an entirely different reason.

The word Nazi/Nasi dates back to the time of the Sanhedrin councils of Palestine first formed by the Romans in the 1st Century BCE. To members of modern Judaism, the Nasi were the appointed spiritual leaders of the Sanhedrin as opposed to the temporal leadership of the High Priest of the Main Temple. While there is some uncertainty as to the credibility of all the claimed history of the office of Nasi and the bloodline of Rabbinical Scholars of the House of Hillel, there is no doubt the position existed at some point…

…The shocking truth concerning the Nazis is that rather than seeking to destroy any kind of “Global Jewish Banking Conspiracy”, they were in fact dedicated to seeing it re-establish preeminent control over European Financial System and ultimately to the Roman Cult of the Vatican, Rome to whom they serve [as Keepers of The Vatican Treasure]…

…SEDES SACRORUM (Latin Sedes for seat/see, Sacrorum for holy) otherwise known as Santa Sede and the “SS” also known in English as “Holy See” refers to legal apparatus by which Roman Catholic Pope and Curia of Bishops claim historical recognition as a sovereign entity w/superior legal rights. Catholic Church uses two legal personalities to conduct its international affairs: the first as an International State known as Vatican City State, w/Pope is the Head of Government. Second is as supreme legal personality ABOVE ALL OTHER legal personalities by which ALL property and “CREATURES” are SUBJECTS…. [Reid’s note: if you google pictures of world leaders meeting the pope you will often find them wearing black, this denotes subservience, I have seen many pictures of QEII so dressed, I recently saw one of Obama and his wife, in fact it’s at the end of this linked post.]
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July 28, 2012 5:34pm
OneTrack

Princetipytoe – no, you are wrong. What Garret did was a youthful indiscretion, nothing more. He was testing the system (and the system failed). The way you carry on anybody would think that Garret was responsible for the boys death.

“how much lower can you go?” – well for a start, the ignorant dickhead of a news reporter who went around and told the parents about it (“and tell the viewers, how does that make you feel…..”). If that hadn’t happened, the parents would have been fine. All the negative consequences you talk about for them result from that action, more than any other.

We know the main problem you have with him is really that he was an ACT MP. This was just a convenient way to take one of the opposing team out ie the usual lefty goal.

Now shut up, stop being standard lefty nasty (playing the man not the ball) and talk about something interesting (and current). This is old news.
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July 28, 2012 5:39pm
Johnboy

Didn’t Queen Vic spend 40 years dressed in black reid?

Whats your point really?
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July 28, 2012 5:39pm
Johnboy

Anyway Garrett is one of ours and the other cunt (whatever his name) isn’t 🙂
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July 28, 2012 5:42pm
Reid

Whats your point really?

Drawing connections between Vatican and Nazi’s and modern day geopolitics Johnboy.
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July 28, 2012 5:45pm
Johnboy

Ah! I remember now! 🙂

Whats your take on the glorious victory of Wainui over Norths though reid?
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July 28, 2012 5:51pm
Harriet

Redbaiter#

Here’s something for Colin Craig to look at-

“Changes in marriage law impact religious institutions disproportionately because their role is so deeply intertwined with the public concept of marriage. . . . The specific consequences that will likely flow from legalizing same-sex marriage include both government compulsion of religious institutions to provide financial or other support for same-sex married couples and government withdrawal of public benefits from those institutions that oppose same-sex marriage. In other words, wherever religious institutions provide preferential treatment to husband-wife couples, state laws will likely require them to either extend identical benefits to same-sex married couples or withdraw the benefits altogether.”

This happened in Australia just this year.

The catholic church ran an adoption programme and was told by the government that they could not forbid children being adopted out to couples because they were gay.

The Church closed up shop.
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July 28, 2012 6:10pm
Johnboy

DOE’S NOBODY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WAINUI”S GLORIOUS VICTORY THEN???
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