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krazykiwi

Morning!

A glimmer of hope that sanity is starting to return: UK Government Scraps Unilateral Post-2020 Climate Targets

George Osborne is refusing to sign up to new carbon emissions targets and insisting on a new ‘dash for gas’ as the Government prepares to unveil its latest energy plans. The Chancellor, backed by David Cameron, is understood to be determined not to commit Britain to tough new climate targets beyond 2020, arguing they will put businesses at a significant disadvantage.

One Whitehall source said: ‘The official line is the Government is reserving its position, but George Osborne and David Cameron have made clear they object to post-2020 targets, which suggests the Government will never agree to any.’

Ministers will also announce today that Government subsidies for wind turbines are to be cut by ten per cent and planning rules that regulate their construction reviewed.

But sadly that glimmer is dimmed by idiots like this:

Tim Yeo, the Conservative MP who chairs the Energy and Climate Change Committee said: ‘Europe can be proud of the leadership it has shown on climate change. It must now show that leadership again by setting a more ambitious goal to bolster the chances of a new agreement being reached in 2015.

‘That needs to be the year an agreement is reached to give the world a fighting chance of keeping temperatures below dangerous levels.

Time for Mr Yeo to find something useful to do. Like resign.
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July 26, 2012 8:02am
Griff

You are onto it KK lets dig it all up and burn the lot
Six degrees warmer by2112 who cares we will all be in hell by then any way
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July 26, 2012 8:28am
Fletch

Court in U.S rules that State of Dakota is allowed to say that women who have had abortions are at increased risk of suicide – and even planned Parenthoods expert concurred.

A federal appeals court affirmed the last provision of a long-disputed informed consent law today, ruling that the state of South Dakota can require abortionists to inform women seeking to terminate the lives of their unborn baby that they face an increased risk of suicide.

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“As a result of this case upholding all eight major provisions of South Dakota’s Abortion Informed Consent Statute, pregnant mothers will now be informed: 1) that ‘an abortion terminates the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being;’ 2) that the mother’s ‘relationship with that second human being enjoys protection under the Constitution of the United States and the laws of South Dakota;’ 3) ‘that relationship and all rights attached to it will be terminated;’ and 4) the abortion places the mother ‘at increased risk for suicide ideation and suicide,’” he said.

The court’s opinion said even Planned Parenthood’s own testimony documented a link between abortion and suicide.
“Planned Parenthood’s own expert, Dr. Nada Stotland, admitted that one of the studies, which determined a suicide rate after abortion of 31.9 per 100,000 as compared to a suicide rate after live birth of 5.0 per 100,000, ‘indicates an association; not causation, but an association’ between abortion and suicide,” the judges wrote.

Commenting on the decision, Steven H. Aden of the Alliance Defending Freedom said “a woman’s right to make a fully informed choice is more important than Planned Parenthood’s bottom line.”

LINK

Agreed.
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July 26, 2012 8:28am
Keeping Stock

Rode Emmerson again demonstrates why he is the best daily cartoonist in New Zealand by a country mile:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/emmerson-on-espionage.html
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July 26, 2012 8:43am
Other_Andy

An article from Associated Press and the Washington Post for Global-Warming-Griff and Weatherwise-we-live-in-Interesting-Times-Pete George.

The Arctic seems to be warming up. Reports all point to a radical change in climatic conditions, and hitherto unheard-of high temperatures in that part of the earth’s surface.
The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Norway.
Reports all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Scarcely any ice has been met with as far north. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the Gulf Stream still very warm.
Ice has been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered.

Be afraid, be very afraid…….
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July 26, 2012 8:44am
Pete George

Since the Dunedin City Council called for a moratorium on fracking in the rest of the country (there’s no fracking planned for Otago) National whip Michael Woodhouse has spoken up and at the council. He raised the issue on his Facebook page, and spoke about it in parliament yesterday.

Mayor Dave Cull is “at a loss to understand” the connection between buying in to an extreme green anti fracking campaign and the prospects of Dunedin getting some business out of oil and gas exploration.

I’ve tried to help him gain some understanding in Cull versus Woodhouse on fracking and oil.
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July 26, 2012 8:46am
Lance

I routinely round on the Greens for being myopic and logically challenged when it comes to transport.
They make idiotic statements along the lines of ‘cars are overused in some places therefore we should strongly discourage the use of them in favour of other forms of public transport’.
Of course the answer is a holistic and intelligent integration of the best options in an intelligent manner.

To see the national government sink to the same level of Luddite thinking is massively disappointing.
Announcing the solar hot water is useless as it isn’t at its best in winter is spectacularly logically challenged.

You see we live in the age of the microprocessor, yes I know those in the power industry don’t think it will ever catch on, but if solar hot water is sized for winter (discouraged by government incentive programs) and backup is managed as part of an integrated and intelligent demand side management system then it overcomes the limitations moaned about in this sad sad excuse of a report.

There is a hint in the report that there is a place of demand side to shift peaking but it is viewed as mutually exclusive to solar. This is because the authors of the report and (by association) the minister who presented it, are incapable of comprehending we are in the age of the microprocessor.

Before we have to endure the idiotic bleatings along the lines of “if it’s subsidized it is useless” then consider the power grid is stabilized by subsidies called ‘ancillary services’ to the tune of $120,000,000 annually. Then there are numerous other costs that all ultimately get passed on to the consumer. The consumer can do little about this as they have no access to the spot market but simply have to take whatever is dished up to them.
The power industry has no financial incentive to reduce costs associated with peak demand shortfall as the more the shortfall the more money they make. So when it comes to renewable micro-generation (like solar thermal) they have no interest in co-operating with real solutions.
And so we see a report the reeks of Luddite thinking in New Zealand which is renown as a land of lateral thinkers.

Where a cartel such as the power industry as a whole is entrenched and preventing the country from reaching a lofty goal such as 90% renewables then it is the governments role to force action by charting a course to more ahead, in other words leadership.

I don’t see any leadership here

Sad
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July 26, 2012 8:52am
kowtow

KK
The problem for Cameron is his Lib alliance. The Libs won’t allow anything sensible to be done. I question Cameons’ conservative credentials ,he is a “wet” of the worst order.

The real hope for conservatives is Abbott in Australia ,Romney winning inThe US and a combination of them with Harper in Canada. That might give Key some backbone,God knows he needs one.

Between them they could easily knock this leftist scam on it’s head.

Here’s an utterly crazy item from therecent war games in the Pacific. To think the US is broke and is still prepared to payUS$26 a gallon for biobollocks instead of $3.6 for the real thing!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/02/us-usa-navy-greenfleet-idUSBRE86106X20120702
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July 26, 2012 8:54am
krazykiwi

Fletch 8:28 – The most interesting bit of your link is point (1) in my view. That’s quite a statement, and one we’re long overdue hearing from the top.
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July 26, 2012 8:55am
TimG_Oz

Malware I approve of:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/iran-nuclear-energy-facility-hit-malware-plays-ac-203806981.html

Although if I was an Iranian Nuclear scientist, AC/DC on the speakers would be a pretty cool work environment!
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July 26, 2012 8:57am
thedavincimode

… is it just me ( 😉 ) or is Brendan McCullam our most perplexing test cricketer in living memory? I don’t mean perplexing in the sense of an uncanny ability to be selected for no good reason, but rather in terms of the abundance of natural talent and the propensity to waste it.

What is it with him – the man who informed us all that he didn’t really have anything to learn from John Wright but that maybe some of the other guys did? Is it the macho man thing, with the macho man tats? Is it because he’s short? Is he just stupid? Was that shot this morning a product of his macho maniness? Was it because he was nervous and trying to control himself and keep the ball down when in fact he likely should have lofted it? His eye is far too good to have been deceived by the length.
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July 26, 2012 9:05am
krazykiwi

To think the US is broke and is still prepared to payUS$26 a gallon for biobollocks instead of $3.6 for the real thing…

… particularly when Sugar cane ethanol biofuel produces 10 times the pollution of gasoline and diesel. Extract:

Indur Goklany calculated that biofuels policies killed nearly 200,000 people in 2010 alone. That was before this study showed things may be worse than we suspected.

Brazil is the largest sugar cane ethanol producer in the world, but people are burning four times the area of sugar cane plantations than previously realized, and it’s producing far more pollution than they thought. For every unit of energy generated, the ethanol-biofuel use produces a lot less CO2 (plant fertilizer) but more volatile organic compounds (VOC’s), more carbon monoxide, more nitrous oxides, as well as more sulphur dioxides. (See Graph b below).
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July 26, 2012 9:06am
Paulus

I see the Hearld is up to its usual anti Key/Government tricks again.
Special edition today.
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July 26, 2012 9:26am
krazykiwi

Lobbyists with free access to Parliament

Members of one of New Zealand’s most exclusive clubs have finally been revealed – the 15 members of the public with access cards to Parliament have been named by Speaker Lockwood Smith.

As expected, the list includes some of our most influential lobbyists, including former diplomat Charles Finny, Sky TV’s Tony O’Brien and Wellington identities Barrie Saunders and Mark Unsworth, as well as leading unionists Helen Kelly and Peter Conway.

Philippa Falloon, widow of former Cabinet minister John Falloon, and Lady Jane Kidd, wife of former Speaker Doug Kidd, are also on the list
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July 26, 2012 9:26am
Yvette

The Scottish government is to introduce new powers to legalise same-sex marriages in churches and in civil ceremonies, despite vigorous and bitter opposition from church leaders …

The Roman Catholic church, backed by senior Muslim organisations and evangelical and presbyterian churches, organised a huge postcard and internet petition campaign against the proposals …

Churches and celebrants who want to conduct same-sex ceremonies will have to “opt in” to the new powers, adding their names to a public register. Under the proposals, the first gay marriages in Scotland could be held in 2015, Sturgeon said.

“This is a very controversial issue. There is no getting away from that. There are very deeply held views on this issue on both sides of the debate. It is not possible to completely reconcile these different views. But as we proceed with this issue, the Scottish government will continue to be respectful of differences of opinion.”

– http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/25/scotland-legalise-same-sex-marriage
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July 26, 2012 9:27am
hj

KevinH (770) Says:
July 25th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@hj
Dr Rata’s analysis and interpretation of biculturalism within New Zealand as a return to neo -tribalism is fundamentally flawed because her assumption that democracy overcomes the tyranny of traditional oppressive regimes is incorrect. Democracy delivers for the majority culture and underdelivers for minorities.
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So we don’t have democracy until the culture is pervasive and to get there we have to give the culture a leg up. If parties which support Maori cultural fundamentalism don’t do well, that is democracy “under delivering” for Maori?

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/07/general_debate_25_july_2012.html#comments
http://www.nzcpr.com/guest298.htm
http://www.rogersandall.com/the-culture-cult/
http://www.rogersandall.com/the-culture-cult-revisited/

Biculturalism is a slippery fish as it is based on experiential knowledge’ rather than universalism.
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July 26, 2012 9:30am
Elaycee

Paulus says: “I see the Hearld is up to its usual anti Key/Government tricks again. Special edition today.”

Simple fix. Don’t buy it. You’d get better bang for your buck by buying an icecream for the kids.

And with icecream, chances are that someone will enjoy it. 😀
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July 26, 2012 9:31am
Nookin

TDVM
I agree entirely about McCullum. Or maybe someone forgot to tell him that tests run for 5 days.
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July 26, 2012 9:36am
hj

Radio NZ lays in to critic of alternative therapy at Gisborne Hospital. Catherine Ryan is heard chortling.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2526113/should-a-public-hospital-be-offering-alternative-therapies.asx

Swallows (as you do all things Maori):
Inmates at the Hawke’s Bay Regional Prison say learning Te Reo Maori and tikanga will help keep them out of jail when they are released. (3′03″)

-I suppose that is because they are being bicultural and you don’t question experiential knowlege.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2526216/learning-te-reo-changing-prisoners'-lives.asx
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July 26, 2012 9:37am
Manolo

When will this sorry saga end? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9424923/Debt-crisis-Greece-to-run-out-of-money-by-August-20.html
Just cut the lazy buggers.
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July 26, 2012 9:42am
Yvette

The Royal Australasian College of Physicians told the hearing Maori women had low rates of breastfeeding and should be financially compensated to encourage them to breastfeed.
Mr Henare said he had never heard [such a] stupid idea in all his life. “It’s no wonder the Maori can’t stand the society that they live in at the moment.”

Pity Henare had just blown his credibility by suggesting it is OK for pregnant women to smoke like he does.
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July 26, 2012 9:43am
Pete George

Maggie Barry can be a strong and intelligent speaker, but yesterday she stopped to an unacceptable standard, taunting Jacinda Aderen about being childless.

She did this on Adern’s 32nd birthday. According the NZH Barry had her only child when in her late thirties.

Maggie Barry nastiness reflects badly on the MP and also on National.
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July 26, 2012 9:59am
Andrei

Scotland will have “gay marriage” – huh.

They used to have great shipyards on the Clyde – now the place has fallen into decayed squalor.

Meanwhile

If a group of Ukrainian lawmakers succeeds in its mission, television shows and movies like “Brokeback Mountain” that sympathetically portray ~~gay men and lesbians~~ sexual perverts and deviants will be banned. So will gay pride parades.

Guess they have seen what this pathology is achieving in the west and want to avoid the cultural rot that is destroying western civilization.
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July 26, 2012 10:01am
Weihana

Andrei,

I love the irony of this statement on your blog:

“Let’s enjoy free speech while we still have it.”

What a hypocrite.
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July 26, 2012 10:32am
kowtow

maggie bary nastiness…….not.

in context ,pretty innocuous.

Hypersensitivity disorder .
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July 26, 2012 10:34am
cha

An interesting piece on how Russia views the Syrian situation.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/105281/in-russia-even-putins-critics-are-ok-his-syria-policy
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July 26, 2012 10:39am
Colville

PG @ 9.59.
I have no issue with Barry calling Socialist Cindy on the fact that she is childless, she has also never had a real job so will struggle with employment issues.
Tau Henare needs a good kicking for his stupid comments on smoking.
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July 26, 2012 10:39am
hmmokrightitis

TVM, Im told by people who know – I have no connection with BMcC – that its small man syndrome. Nice enough guy, but cocky for Africa with it. Pity. As you get older, you tend to realise that the smart people never stop learning, and the dumb arses figure they know it all.

That said, 232-4, they done well. Would have been better for 2, but isn’t it nice for a change to be satisfied with our performance on the first day of a test?
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July 26, 2012 10:55am
Tauhei Notts

Pete George
I believe you purposefully mispelling Jacinda Ardern’s name is a much more serious insult than anything Maggie Barry said.
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July 26, 2012 11:02am
david

Did Maggie Barrie say that Socialist Cindy wasn’t competent to discuss the PPL bill? …… No
Did Maggie Barrie say that Socialist Cindy was inferior ‘cos she had no (known) children? ………. No
Did Maggie Barrie make her comment in a speech to the House? …………. No
Did Maggie Barrie ask a question in the form of an interjection while Socialist Cindy was speaking? …….. Yes
Was Maggie Barrie’s interjection the nastiest oneyou have ever heard? ……. answer that one for yourself
Did Socialist Cindy sound more than a wee bit embarrassed discussing her colleagues’ faux outrage with Mike Hosking this morning? …….. Hell Yes
Do you think Labour realise that they overegged this pudding and are now looking like precious twats? …………. K’n oath
Have the left sychophants in the blogosphere got the message yet to quietly drop this now that it is backfiring? …. braindead idiots that they are can’t help themselves – poor buggers

Put the matter in context, read the report of teh whole incident and judge for yourselves.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10822282
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July 26, 2012 11:09am
Redbaiter

Most things Pete George says are an insult to anyone of average intelligence.
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July 26, 2012 11:10am
dime

Really Pete? really??? weak as piss
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July 26, 2012 11:12am
Pete George

I believe you purposefully mispelling Jacinda Ardern’s name

No, sloppy typing – and also a copy and paste from the Herald poll which had initially spelt her name wrong.
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July 26, 2012 11:19am
hmmokrightitis

Well, that rules you out then red 🙂
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July 26, 2012 11:20am
Paulus

Great to hear Maggie Barry finally say something in Parliament.
Her view, when elected, was to breath through her nose at first, not through her mouth.
Pity little pony and mona Moroney could not stand the vitriolic heat, which they regularly expound.
Trevor – where are you – getting into training for Taupo I suppose.
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July 26, 2012 11:21am
Pete George

Taunting for absence of children can be very nasty for women, especially those who are unable to have children.

It’s unnecessarily personal, and it’s totally irrelevant and inapproriate in parliament.

If Barry wants to be respected as an MP she has to earn it, and that’s not the way to do it.
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July 26, 2012 11:23am
David Garrett

My two cents…MP’s with no children would do well to keep out of debates on issues affecting them…I am embarrassed at some of the dumb things I said in the past when I had had no experience with raising and caring for kids…having a couple and being responsible for them sure learned me…

hmmo: Hit to the boundary for four!
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July 26, 2012 11:25am
thedavincimode

hmmmokeydokey

I got over being disappointed with NZ test cricket a long ago. My default mode is the gentle shake of the head and I tend to be more interested in seeing performances of individual players rather than the team as a whole. More recently I’ve even gotten over cringing with embarassment every time I hear or see: “Black Caps”. FFS, which moron came up with that? But I digress.

McCullum though gets under my skin a bit because with his natural talent and his eye in particular, I can’t help but feel that he could have been one of our all time great batsman who could have been recognised as world class. Its sad to me in a way, that he will never have the satisfaction of being able to reflect on an outstanding career and will instead be confronted with the prospect that, assuming he was ever honest with himself, he never achieved anything like his potential. But then given his apparent attitude and in light of your comment, perhaps he won’t ever be that honest with himself and so there will be no regrets. I expect pots of that Indian cash will assist in easing the creaky knees in his old age.
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July 26, 2012 11:33am
James Stephenson

Taunting for absence of children can be very nasty for women

You’re really buying into the beat-up, aren’t you Pete.

JA: “This Government has proven their priority is not children.”
MB: “How many children do you have?”

pwnd is the interwebs vernacular isn’t it?
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July 26, 2012 11:34am
Jack5

TVNZ and TV3 news keeps up the flow of massacre news from Syria, but I don’t recall these PC-Leftists telling us anything about the Islamicists fighting Assad killing and driving out Syrian Christians. Once they start killing gays, we will get the full picture, of course.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/christians-flee-from-radical-rebels-in-syria-a-846180.html
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July 26, 2012 11:37am
Elaycee

Breaking News: Reports are surfacing that John Banks has been cleared over mayoralty donations.

The demented water woman will be really pissed…

Hah! 😀

http//john.has.been.cleared.as.predicted.
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July 26, 2012 11:39am
Keeping Stock

Yep; just blogged on it; more details to come after midday when the Police release a statement.

So Dodgy John is not gone after all. I simply can’t wait for Penny Bright’s apology and retraction 😀
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July 26, 2012 11:41am
Elaycee

@KS: You’d get better odds on a pterodactyl appearing on the steps of Parliament.

And no, an appearance by Jim Anderton doesn’t qualify… 😀
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July 26, 2012 11:44am
Pete George

James Stephenson – how many childless women in their thirties and forties have you checked it out with?

For most women there is no bigger thing in their lives than motherhood. It’s not a beat-up to understand how women who can’t have children might feel about being taunted about it.
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July 26, 2012 11:46am
david

Pete, if they are so sensitive about it,they should not be shouting so loudly about matters related to it. Can’t have it both ways, especially in parliamentary debates.
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July 26, 2012 11:50am
kowtow

Told you Cameron was wet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179032/Ill-legalise-gay-marriage-2015-vows-Cameron-PM-warns-opponents-Church-lock-people-out.html
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July 26, 2012 11:50am
thedavincimode

lac/KS

Banks has already been convicted by the dead cat on her head water nutter so if he’s “cleared”, that merely proves that NZ and Banks in particular is corrupt and we should be abiding by the thingy whateverthefuckitiswhatsit.
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July 26, 2012 11:57am
Weihana

If only parents can comment on policies affecting children, are only lawyers allowed to comment on the justice system? Are only beneficiaries allowed to comment on the welfare system? Are only teachers allowed to comment on the education system?

I don’t feel sorry for Jacinda. The point is that it’s just not relevant whether she has children or not. The more relevant point would seem to me to be that it’s going to cost 500 million dollars.
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July 26, 2012 11:57am
krazykiwi

Can’t have it both ways, especially in parliamentary debates.

Yeah, I recall the great childless one having a great go a chinless ones 🙂
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July 26, 2012 11:59am
Keeping Stock

From the Herald:

Mr Mallard’s complaint related to donations to Mr Banks’ campaign from internet multi-millionaire Kim Dotcom and casino operator SkyCity and also free radio advertising his campaign received.

Referring to two $25,000 donations from Mr Dotcom, police said they had established Mr Banks personally solicited a donations which were subsequently recorded as anonymous in Mr Banks’ Electoral Return.

However Detective Superintendent Peter Read said police were unable to establish thta Mr Banks had the necessary knowledge that the donation had been recorded as anonymous in the return before he signed and submitted it.

The return was compiled by a campaign volunteer and Mr Banks sought and received confirmation that it was an accurate return of his expenses before signing and transmitting the return.

Police were “therefore of the view that there is insufficient evidence to consider a prosecution under the Local Electoral Act 2001, section 134 (1)”.

At least they didn’t say that it was not in the public interest to prosecute; that line seems to have left the building along with Howard Broad.
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July 26, 2012 12:09pm
Mark

Pete George (13,961) Says:
July 26th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Maggie Barry can be a strong and intelligent speaker, but yesterday she stopped to an unacceptable standard, taunting Jacinda Aderen about being childless.

She did this on Adern’s 32nd birthday. According the NZH Barry had her only child when in her late thirties.

Maggie Barry nastiness reflects badly on the MP and also on National.

This is a brainfart by Maggie Barrie – it does her no credit at all. Puts her in the idiot category with Mallard and Little
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July 26, 2012 12:15pm
Mark

Maggie Barrie is now fucked commenting on policies affecting Maori, Pacifica, Men, single women, gays (probably), etc
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July 26, 2012 12:17pm
thedavincimode

Precisely Mark. Stupid comment and breach of caucus discipline. These stupid remarks reflect on the party reputation, as has been the case with liebour, and rightly so. Voters don’t like this kind of shit. Has she not realised that it was this sort of crap that turned people off Liebour.

I confess that I thought she was smarter than that.
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July 26, 2012 12:20pm
Grendel

actually i think this is just desserts.

lefty whiners that i know constantly use the “you dont have kids so dont understand and cant possibly comment” line all the time when discussing WFF, parental leave or anything else that typically involves giving something to people who have spawned by taking away from those who have not.

the greens use this refrain as well from the context of “not being maori i cannot possibly understand the relationship between maori and (insert current thing they want money for)” the implication being that there is some special gene being 1/64 or better maori gets you that makes you able to psychically commune with something worth money.

i agree the argument is crap, experience does play a part in understanding an issue but the flip side is that being outside something actually lets you view something without the internal bias. and lets face it, having no knowledge of a subject has never stopped a politician from having an opinion before (CF greens and any discussion on the economy, markets or most earth based activities).

so maggies comments were a bit crap, but its nice to see the left get their usual tactic thrown back in their face. and frankly any scenario that continues to show how utterly vapid and pointless Jacinda is is well worth it.
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July 26, 2012 12:31pm
James Stephenson

James Stephenson – how many childless women in their thirties and forties have you checked it out with?

For most women there is no bigger thing in their lives than motherhood. It’s not a beat-up to understand how women who can’t have children might feel about being taunted about it.

Well, being an early-40’s bloke with young kids, I know a reasonable number of women in that age group who cover all the bases from “natural” mums; mums that needed medical help to conceive; no kids and would like them; no kids, I’m all about career and no kids, I’d rather have cats.

Ardern was not “being taunted”, she stood up as a woman who has blindingly obviously been 100% focussed on her political career since her teens, and had a go at the government for “not prioritising children”. Pot-kettle-black and she got pinged for it.

MB didn’t say she “didn’t understand” because she didn’t have kids, she picked up the irony of a career-focussed person having a go at a lack of priority on children.
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July 26, 2012 12:37pm
Pete George

This should keep a few threads going:

A bill on whether to legalise gay marriage is to go before Parliament.

The bill, submitted by Labour MP Louisa Wall and aimed at legalising same-sex marriage, has been drawn from the Members Bill Ballot.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10822370
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July 26, 2012 12:42pm
Pete George

A bill drafted by Labour MP David Clark aimed at raising the minimum wage to $15 was also selected from the ballot.

Lucky for him to have another one drawn, but I think he’ll have a lot more difficulty getting it past the first vote, let alone accepted by Government.
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July 26, 2012 12:50pm
Keeping Stock

Agree wholeheartedly James; there was nothinbg factually incorrect with what Maggie Barry said to Jacinda Ardern. Unitl you have lived the day-to-day routine of sleepless nights, teething, tantrums, foul smelling nappies etc etc, you have no idea what parenting involves. The books and the antenatal classes very quickly go out the window when you take the child home 😀
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July 26, 2012 12:58pm
Pauleastbay

As Ian Smith states regularly on The Live Sport breakfast,, ” they are not The Young Guns, They are not the Black Caps they are the New Zealand Mens Cricket Team. That is all

and

Is Maggie Barry really in Parliament?
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July 26, 2012 1:08pm
mikenmild

Some good points on the Banks donation here:
http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/john-banks-the-volunteer-did-it/
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July 26, 2012 1:12pm
James Stephenson

Is Maggie Barry really in Parliament?

Yes, but unlike Ardern, she actually won an electorate 😀
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July 26, 2012 1:23pm
cha

All’s well on planet wingnut.

Natural News reports: Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

All this looks like James Holmes completed a “mission” and then calmly ended that mission by surrendering to police and admitting everything. The mission, as we are now learning, was to cause as much terror and mayhem as possible, then to have that multiplied by the national media at exactly the right time leading up the UN vote next week on a global small arms treaty that could result in gun confiscation across America.

…In other words, this has all the signs of Fast & Furious, Episode II. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover someone in Washington was behind it all. After all, there’s no quicker way to disarm a nation and take total control over the population than to stage violence, blame it on firearms, then call for leaders to “do something!” Such calls inevitably end up resulting in gun confiscation, and it’s never too long after that before government genocide really kicks in like we saw with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and other tyrants.
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July 26, 2012 1:33pm
Pete George

Some of…

– Happy birthday @jacindaardern! Although it’s not MY birthday so I really shouldn’t comment…
– Only MPs named Sarah can talk about CERA
– MPs wanting to talk about taser will have to have been tased.
– Maggie, I have 2 children so can talk about Paid Parental Leave twice as much.

…a growing list of Maggie Barry standing orders.

Any more? Note – only Maggie Barry may submit #maggiebarrystandingorders
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July 26, 2012 1:50pm
James Stephenson

Any more?

Only people who haven’t prioritised other things over having children, can criticise others for not prioritising children. Oh, wait…
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July 26, 2012 1:55pm
Pete George

@TrevorMallard can only talk about bad MP behaviour if…ah, hang on… #maggiebarrystandingorders
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July 26, 2012 2:09pm
Elaycee

Pete – you generally add value to threads but on this occasion I think you have backed the wrong horse….
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July 26, 2012 2:15pm
calendar girl

PG: Your comments on the Jacinda Adern issue have been a bit OTT today, but I regard your latest contribution at 1:50 as just weak. It could even be interpreted as an attempt to label people as less-than-bright – simply for having a view that is different from yours – but based on your normal standards here I won’t draw that negative conclusion.
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July 26, 2012 2:24pm
Colville

PG,

“- MPs wanting to talk about taser will have to have been tased.”

Anyone wanting to be an MP should be tased…. 🙂
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July 26, 2012 2:28pm
Colville

Can someone tell me how to do that quote thing like James @ 1.55 and PG at 1.50 ?

It looks sooooo much cooler….
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July 26, 2012 2:29pm
Pete George

Colville, see blockquote use here: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_blockquote.asp

Should Mr Speaker have a taser?
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July 26, 2012 2:32pm
Colville

Orsum thanks PG.
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July 26, 2012 2:56pm
Pete George

Elaycee, calendar girl – I don’t always sit on the fence, especially of the horse paddock.

I’m just calling it how I see it, and poor standards of behaviour in parliament has always annoyed me (and, I believe, many other people ‘out there’), I expect better from the country’s leaders, and will keep pushing for better.

Barry may have slipped out that comment, but she could have easily given a “whoops, sorry” and it would have been dealt with. But she dug her toes in. The opposition side of the house often sounds terrible in overbarracking, but the best will rise above most of that.

I’ve also called Mallard on something he tweeted today (“National hates kids”), which further highlights his hypocrisy.
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July 26, 2012 2:58pm
Colville

Orsum thanks PG.

Woot!
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July 26, 2012 3:01pm
Pete George

Colville – sometimes if you want to be lazy or use less highlight you can use i and slash i for italics. And sparingly use strong.

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_font_style.asp
And the other common one is the a tag for links: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_a.asp
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July 26, 2012 3:22pm
Manolo

Today’s Britain: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/9426761/HMRC-tells-school-children-Tell-your-teacher-if-a-neighbour-is-evading-tax.html
Disgraceful.
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July 26, 2012 3:53pm
James Stephenson

And the other ~~common~~ useful one…

…is strike
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July 26, 2012 4:24pm
wreck1080

Heard an interesting stat today — the FTSE 100 UK stock index is below the 1998 levels.

But, UK directors of these companies have taken out a ton of performance related bonuses.

What gives? These people have been paid handsomely for their skills and expertise yet on average performance has been extremely poor and investors have lost money on average. (even more if you take into account the low risk opportunity costs of just leaving the money in the bank).

Any future argument of how bosses deserve massive salaries I’ll just think of the ftse 100.
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July 26, 2012 4:46pm
Colville

Today is a good day, I made a few bucks, organised a wine tasting, cooked a japanese curry and even ~~learnded~~ learnt sumfink!
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July 26, 2012 6:13pm
chiz

Sea shepherd founder skips bail and flees.
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July 26, 2012 6:31pm
Colville

Comments like this are probably why Presland is too ~~dishonest~~ shy to use he real name… I mean lawyers do have a code of ethics dont they?

mickysavage
26 July 2012 at 1:41 pm
To beneficiaries everywhere. When you are required to go to WINZ to provide a declaration can I suggest you do the following:

1. Get someone else to complete the form.
2. Before signing ask them “is it accurate?”.
3. If they say “yes” go for it.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you read the declaration though.
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July 26, 2012 6:31pm
thedavincimode

PG

Hey, it was stupid for reasons that go far beyond the comment in itself, but it was a first offence after all. That doesn’t make her a Mallard, Cosgrove, Cunners, Moroney, former heroin addict brickface or Littleman et al. I’m starting to wonder if she might have turned you down. 😉
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July 26, 2012 6:31pm
Pete George

thedavincimode – I agree, not a biggy, but she could have given it a token ‘whoops’ at least. But hopefully she will have learnt something from it. I think she could be an excellent MP if she keeps out of the messy stuff enough.

Colville – that is a remarkable thing to say for anyone in politics, or any lawyer. That Micky Savage must have been a right plonker.

I wonder teachers think when kids do some history research and start quoting mickysavage instead.
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July 26, 2012 7:33pm
nasska

A man is in a queue at the Warehouse and sees this busty blonde staring at him, he can’t believe she is staring at him, then she starts waving.

“Excuse me do I know you?” he asks.

“Yes, I think you are the father of one of my kids” she says.

The man thinks back and remembers his one act of infidelity and says, “Fucking hell, are you the bird I shagged on my stag do, whilst your mate whipped me, and your other mate stuck a stick of celery up my arse?”

“No,” she replies, “I’m your son’s English teacher!”
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July 26, 2012 8:01pm
Griff

nasska
Ive been awol
due to giving up ciggys
I did not want to blemish my demerit record due to frequent bouts of withdrawal induced rage
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July 26, 2012 8:20pm
nasska

Griff

Went through that (for the third & final) time about twelve years back. I was a pretty niggly bastard for a while but everyone who was likely to come in contact with me for the first few weeks had been prewarned.

You’ll make it!
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July 26, 2012 8:30pm
Steve (North Shore)

Sad News

With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world at this

moment, it is worth reflecting on the death of a very important

person, which almost went unnoticed last week.

Larry LaPrise, the man that wrote “The Hokey Pokey” died

peacefully at the age of 93. The most traumatic part for his family

was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in. And then

the trouble started.

Shut up. You know it’s funny 🙂
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July 26, 2012 8:39pm
nasska

Steve

Met any no hopers similar to this? Ref: http://i.imgur.com/J1iEE.jpg
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July 26, 2012 8:43pm
Steve (North Shore)

Many like that nasska, and with better boats than that american rubbish.
Takapuna ramp is quite funny some days
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July 26, 2012 8:47pm
nasska

There’s little to beat a spare hour spent at a busy launching ramp if humour is the goal. As an ex truckie I get perverse enjoyment out of watching some useless desk jockey trying to back a trailer. 🙂
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July 26, 2012 8:53pm
Steve (North Shore)

They have trouble going forward with a trailer, been watching them for 35+ years
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July 26, 2012 8:57pm
nasska

I got home from work and there was a note on the kitchen table from my wife.

It read: ‘Gone to see a Psychiatrist, your brussel sprouts on toast is in the washing machine.’
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July 26, 2012 9:05pm
Viking2

Quite night tonight. All over arguing about the relative merits of who fucks who and who pays and who doesn’t. Sad really.
Never mind here’s some nauseating humour.

http://screencast.com/t/560UU8mwv
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July 26, 2012 9:07pm
Viking2

I noticed that those in CHCXH and Mt. Maunganui have been suckered into needing tsaumai alert sirens.

I thought the Aussies had a better plan.
http://screencast.com/t/2y3YQTLBhnh
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July 26, 2012 9:09pm
Viking2

A word to the wise.

http://screencast.com/t/YKkJnb9whI
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July 26, 2012 9:11pm
nasska

The best engine in the world is the fanny.
It takes any size piston, is self lubricating, starts with one finger & every 4 weeks does its own oil change.
It’s just a pity the management system is so fucking temperamental.
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July 26, 2012 9:15pm
Manolo

What AGW? http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/07/26/skeptics-put-freeze-on-nasa-hot-air-about-greenland-ice/
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