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wat dabney

Other_Andy,

“Don’t you agree that some the relativist ‘everything goes’, ‘if it itches, scratch it’ mentality breeds the moral relativism that causes problems?
Why not keep some of traditional Judeo-Christian values or do you want to get rid of them because they are traditional Judeo-Christian values?”

Your use of the word “some” makes all the difference. If we are to keep “some” traditional Judeo-Christian values which ones are we to keep and which are we to reject? Being selective means that we are explicitly not keeping or adhering to “traditional Judeo-Christian values.”

Put another way, do you fully support and advocate every verse in the following pages?:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/fv/long.html

If you don’t then what criteria are you using to make your selection, and from where did you derive them?
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July 21, 2012 4:46pm
Johnboy

I have to confess that I have never been as noble as Sydney Carton Yvette! 🙂
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July 21, 2012 4:48pm
Manolo

Imagine the outrage if the advise was given here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176788/Mothers-large-problem-families-stop-children-warns-senior-government-adviser.html
The communist Luddites and Labour will be up in arms (as expected).
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July 21, 2012 4:54pm
Yvette

Well, you wouldn’t, Johnboy, if you really wanted to get ahead 🙂
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July 21, 2012 4:55pm
Johnboy

What you doing tomorrow?
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July 21, 2012 4:57pm
Manolo

Far out. KB is now a dating site. Sign of the times, no doubt.
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July 21, 2012 4:59pm
Viking2

From coast to coast, Labor will lose the lot, says Steve Bracks

by: SID MAHER and KATE LEGGE
From: The Australian
July 21, 2012 12:00AM

FORMER Victorian premier Steve Bracks has predicted that Julia Gillard and the remaining state Labor governments will lose office when they next face voters and says the party needs to re-engage with people and develop more attractive policies.

Mr Bracks, who co-authored a post-mortem into Labor’s near-defeat in the 2010 federal election, predicts the cathartic but necessary electoral rout in an interview with The Weekend Australian. “My view is that Labor is going to lose federally and whatever remaining state governments we’ve got,” he said. “I hope we don’t, but it’s very likely.
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July 21, 2012 4:59pm
Yvette

Reid – I don’t usually have the problem, but sometimes the Internet seems to slow up, but I think it is a computer card up the road in a Telecom box which blew up a while back. How far does your brother live from you – to discount a possible ‘local’ problem
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July 21, 2012 5:00pm
Manolo

100 morons and no-hopers gather. TAB odds of 10,000 to 1 that Miss Penny Dim was there.
http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8502802/education-activists-to-march-on-conference
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July 21, 2012 5:02pm
Viking2

Johnboy (8,352) Says:
July 21st, 2012 at 4:02 pm

V2—— 🙂 Can you see it now.

Phew bro, your fucked and while youse is away youse whanau is being watched by the Fuzz for the buyers for the shit you pinched Bro! 🙂

Johnboy, you fogot the last sentence. Hey bro can I fuck ya missus while ya there man?
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July 21, 2012 5:03pm
Johnboy

Reid will be chaparone Manolo! 🙂
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July 21, 2012 5:06pm
Viking2

re the tale if two tities.

Won’t happen here johnboy. No one bothers to go down to the Red Square any more and few people even know its true name.
Mind you we have a few city hall dwellers that we could send down for you.
We have inherited Len Browns cast off as ourtemporay soon to be permant CEO.
Remember the scum bag that did all sorts of secretive stuff at Manakau.

Our representatives apparently never even googled his name to find out about his activities.

Suposed to institute cost cutting and stuff. Yeh right given the track record at Manukau.
Off with his head I’d say and the gaggle that employed him.
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July 21, 2012 5:14pm
Johnboy

We of course have a jolly good Mayor in the shape of Ray Wallace. A scholar and a bloody gentleman. Future PM of NZ/Aotearoa I suspect when JK decides to retire!!! 🙂
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July 21, 2012 5:18pm
Viking2

Ah but they change. No grass roots common Kiwi is gunna be put there by the Nats.
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July 21, 2012 5:33pm
Reid

Evans Bay vs Eastbourne Yvette. We use different ISPs and he’s wireless and I’m wired. Confident to say it’s definitely not the connection settings, it’s coming from YouTube, doesn’t happen with any other site.
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July 21, 2012 5:48pm
Other_Andy

@WD

“Being selective means that we are explicitly not keeping or adhering to “traditional Judeo-Christian values.”

Who says?
Judeo-Christian values is not a precisely defined ‘belief system’.
You can base your (Or in your words derive them from) values on traditional Judeo-Christian values.
Nothing is clear cut. If it was there wouldn’t be more than 38000 Christian denominations.
You don’t even have to be a Christian to base your actions on those values.
Everybody can and has his-her own interpretation of what those values are.
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July 21, 2012 5:56pm
Andrei

Reid, are you running anti virus software that scans in real time? – bet you that is the cause of your problems if you are
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July 21, 2012 5:58pm
Manolo

Another “wonderful” example of green energy: http://www.lvrj.com/business/amonix-closes-north-las-vegas-solar-plant-after-14-months-heavy-federal-subsidies-162901626.html
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July 21, 2012 5:59pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9416053/Unite-union-wants-Ed-MIliband-to-fight-class-based-campaign.html

This is what the unions want NZ labour to do as well, its staggering that they can be so out of touch.

WTF is working class.

Theres workers and non workers -simple you labour fucktards
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July 21, 2012 6:11pm
Manolo

Will big bruv be glued to the TV tonight watching his beloved Crusaders? You bet he will.
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July 21, 2012 6:14pm
Viking2

So do we think that Warner Bros will learn and realise that the market would rather sit at home to watch new movies than go to dangerous places to be shot at?
Will they do what they should and change their business model, (and make more money), or will they continue to be like American Banks. Still swapping cheques.

Anyone remember those days? Well America still does that.
Try their banking system. Appallingly bad and about a century behind the times.

Facebook are moving to usurp the banks by introducing Facebook banking which will allow Facebook users to do what we in NZ and Aussie take for granted. i.e. online transactions between people’s bank accounts.
Don’t hold your breathe though if you expect the Yank Banks to catch up.

Dotcom is so right about these turkeys.
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July 21, 2012 6:16pm
mikenmild

First I’ve heard of picture theatres being described as ‘dangerous places.’
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July 21, 2012 6:18pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/junk-food-companies-and-lack-of-playgrounds-behind-obesity-crisis-academic-says/story-fndo2dsc-1226431238369

…”FAT people are not to blame for being overweight, a top Melbourne academic claims…..

All academics are from the plant Zog and should be sent back.

You are a fat bastard because you cannot stop stuffing food down your gullet, its not some evil US restaurant chain.

Hey tubby stop cramming it in, or if you must don’t whinge when you can’t sit in an airplane

I have yet to see some be-suited 28 year business graduate drag people into McDonalds and ram a Mac Attack down anyones neck.
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July 21, 2012 6:21pm
Fletch

I see that KFC’s Double Down burger is back, with the usual controversial cries.

I don’t get it, really.
I mean, if you take it apart and put it on a plate, it’s two chicken fillets and a salad.
Who hasn’t had that at a BBQ? It’s got no burger buns – so what?

I would have thought it was healthier without the extra bread anyway.
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July 21, 2012 6:22pm
Other_Andy

@Pauleastbay

“This is what the unions want NZ labour to do as well, its staggering that they can be so out of touch.”

What do you mean, out of touch?

“A senior political official in Unite, the trade union, declared that Labour must be “the party of and for workers”, adding that it was “tough” if this approach alienated middle-class voters.”

That would be Len McCluskey from Unite.
The one that takes home NZ$ 239,150.00
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July 21, 2012 6:24pm
RKBee

Pauleastbay @ 6:11 pm

If you want to read a labour member unionist opinion read this article in the Taranaki Daily News today.
No solutions just John Key bashing.. Labour never seem to admit that they sold the assets.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/7321783/Our-lost-generation
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July 21, 2012 6:24pm
Johnboy

It’s that dreadful sauce that makes it taste like shit Fletch. If they got rid of that it would be OK.

Bit like their pies really. 🙂
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July 21, 2012 6:29pm
Harriet

“….Court registrars and attendants will open, adjourn and close sittings at the District, Family and Youth courts in both languages…”

With that sort of symbolism from the public service towards the Maoris then maybe for the greens they could free all the cockoos from the clocks! 😎
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July 21, 2012 6:29pm
Reid

Reid, are you running anti virus software that scans in real time?

No. But tell me. Did you notice a month or two ago that YouTube had stopped continuance on the download when you paused?

This doesn’t happen on all YouTube clips. I just tried to give you one where it happens to me so I looked at some from last night. What do you know they work fine, now. How annoying.

You might enjoy this though. Magnificent tour de force series on New York City. Emmy award winning, it’s really good. When it doesn’t pause.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL25226F691EBA4B3F&v=se8lKsjZhCc&feature=player_embedded
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July 21, 2012 6:31pm
Viking2

Must be an important conference on somewhere. Oh that’s right the Nats. are getting a freebie in return for more pokies aren’t they.
Now that will rark up the pofters and wopfters et al.

Probably explains our hosts absence today.
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July 21, 2012 6:34pm
Viking2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lr49t4-2b8&feature=player_embedded
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July 21, 2012 6:39pm
Pauleastbay

http://thechive.com/2012/07/19/michelle-jenneke-and-her-sexy-pre-race-routine-set-my-heart-ablaze-video/

And she wins, awesome
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July 21, 2012 6:48pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

YouTube about a month or two ago, started to discontinue the download if the user paused play. Obviously they want to save server utilage which is fair enough but this same issue started at the same time. My brother has it, I was wondering if others also do …

It happens to me as well, Reid. And, if there’s a problem with the download, the video starts all over again. It’s quite annoying.
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July 21, 2012 6:55pm
Viking2

For all you KB’s that don’t like bene’s.

http://screencast.com/t/EV6yTldT
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July 21, 2012 6:56pm
Reid

It’s quite annoying.

Yes it is rather Lucia. It causes quite a few fiddle-de-de’s and oh dears around here when it does.

It would be awfully super were it never to ever happen again, ever.
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July 21, 2012 7:03pm
Viking2

Ask God to fix it then or alternatively you could try a different anti virus or anti virus setting. Real time anti virus is the probable cause.

Mine runs just fine on one computer but not so good on the work one.
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July 21, 2012 7:06pm
Viking2

Is the visible hand stifling Chinese innovation
Joseph Judd | joseph.judd@nzinitiative.org.nz
Joseph JuddCenturies before the communist era, Chinese innovators came up with four of mankind’s truly profound and influential inventions: gunpowder, paper, printing and the compass. China also invented some of our handiest household items, including the wheelbarrow, the chopstick, the toothbrush, and toilet paper.

But where are China’s innovators today? Could it be that Beijing’s meddling ‘visible hand’ is stifling the entrepreneurial spirit it is so desperately seeking to foster?

This week’s Economist (‘Comeback Kid: The American Economy is Reinventing Itself’) describes the success of Texan wildcatter George Mitchell, known for exploring oil wells in areas not known to be oil fields. Mitchell, the father of America’s current shale gas boom, is called “the kind of risk taker that America has in abundance”. The innovation that spawned Silicon Valley and its vast global influence was fostered in a political economy where risk-takers had the freedom to ‘have a go’.

In their efforts to achieve similar successes, Chinese leaders are spending billions of dollars every year on research and development initiatives hoping that subsidising ‘strategic’ industries – largely dominated by Chinese state-owned enterprises – will foster innovation.

As Sydney University’s Dr John Lee pointed out in a recent speech for The New Zealand Initiative, strategic sectors in China are seen as core to the national and security interests of the state. To that end, the Chinese Communist Party ensures that strategic industries dominate the economic landscape through a combination of cheap loans, protectionism, and tax and subsidy programmes.

To the Chinese, it’s not just about picking national ‘winners’ and protecting them from competition.Beijing’s ‘indigenous innovation’ strategy also puts pressure on foreign firms to transfer their intellectual property so Chinese companies can assimilate, absorb and re-innovate.

But imitation is not innovation. Without a dynamic environment that nurtures innovation by freeing up entrepreneurs and risk-takers, nations can find it difficult to create jobs and raise wages and living standards. China is in no immediate danger of hollowing out, but it does urgently need to find ways of genuinely encouraging innovation.

As the failures of New Zealand’s ‘think big’ period of the 1970s remind us, government is not good at picking winners or facilitating innovation. More often than not, it gets in the way of those who can.

With recent signs of a slow-down in China’s growth, Beijing’s leaders need to turn their attention to developing a less top-down approach and give their own risk-taking wildcatters and private sector firms more freedom to experiment.

Kinda familiar. Just big government.
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July 21, 2012 7:08pm
Johnboy

I’m usually so stoned I can never tell the difference between real time and my time. Real time is when I log on here I think! 🙂
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July 21, 2012 7:09pm
Johnboy

Are you saying Methanol/Urea plants are shit then V2?

Who’d have thunk that in the seventies eh? 🙂
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July 21, 2012 7:12pm
Steve (North Shore)

Reid,

YouTube buffering – get some RAM, and not Johnboy’s type of ram. Also get rid of background monitors like printers, scanners, even MS Office. Any shit that is not being used should be removed from the startup
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July 21, 2012 7:17pm
Yvette

Reid –

• Change Quality – see if a lower setting makes a difference – click on the cog/gear icon [inner one, bottom right of YouTube image frame]

• Video stuck (and will not continue to load)
This situation could be due to an incomplete copy is stuck in your browser’s cache. If this is the case, the video will never fully buffer/load in this state. You can attempt to resolve the situation and restart the video’s buffering (loading) by clearing your browser’s cache.

• Check Broadband Speedtest http://www.nzdsl.co.nz/
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July 21, 2012 7:19pm
Reid

It’s not real-time virus checking and it’s not lack of RAM – I’m running 16 GB.

Don’t think it’s bandwidth either Yvette. Run another movie from another site like Vimeo and it runs fine. But will try what you suggest, most grateful for all suggestions. Thanks to all.
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July 21, 2012 7:20pm
Other_Andy

@Reid

Noticed the same thing since about last week.
Lots of complaints from users.
It isn’t the Anti-virus or the amount of RAM
It is also not the OS or the browser.
Happens with Explorer, Firefox etc., on Macs, Windows and Androids.
Something to do with YouTube itself.
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July 21, 2012 7:24pm
Steve (North Shore)

Log out of the Strandard and Red Blert then Reid, that should help heaps 🙂
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July 21, 2012 7:25pm
big bruv

Johnboy

So what is the time in your world? 🙂
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July 21, 2012 7:26pm
Johnboy

If anyone needs some extra RAM I am of course available. 🙂
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July 21, 2012 7:26pm
Johnboy

In my world any time is the right time BB! 🙂
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July 21, 2012 7:28pm
Steve (North Shore)

50 shades of lamb. Yvette will be disapointed
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July 21, 2012 7:34pm
Steve (North Shore)

“Meanwhile, a group of about 100 people protesting the government’s education policies marched from Britomart to the convention centre on Saturday afternoon.”
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/14325023/second-wave-of-welfare-reforms-outlined/

Wow, a huge protest
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July 21, 2012 7:47pm
nasska

Johnboy had a little lamb
His father had it too
If you’re in to beastiality
Wainui’s is the place for you.
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July 21, 2012 7:49pm
Steve (North Shore)

“Meanwhile, a group of about 100 people protesting the government’s education policies marched from Britomart to the convention centre on Saturday afternoon.”
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/14325023/second-wave-of-welfare-reforms-outlined/

Wow, a huge protest. The dropkick bludgers must have been scared of getting on TV – wonder why?
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July 21, 2012 7:49pm
Viking2

From the Ladies.

http://screencast.com/t/MdlqJNw2Tn1
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July 21, 2012 7:49pm
Johnboy

Nasska takes it up the ass
His Mum and Dad did to
If you’re into sodomy
The Rapas made for you
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July 21, 2012 7:56pm
nasska

A twin-engine plane has an engine failure and the altitude and speed are decreasing rapidly. The pilot speaks over the intercom… “I’m sorry it has come to this ladies and gentlemen, but unfortunately we are going to have to get rid of the luggage in order for the aircraft to remain airborne”.

Baggage is thrown out but still the plane’s speed continues to decrease. Once again the pilot gets on the intercom “I hate to do this folks, but in order to save the majority we are going to have to start off-loading some passengers. The only fair way is to do this alphabetically so we’ll start with the letter ‘A’… Africans? Are there any Africans on board?”

There was no answer so the pilot calls “‘B’… Black people, are there any black people on board?” Again silence.

‘C’… Coloured people? Are there any coloured people on board?” Dead silence.

A little black boy sitting near the rear of the plane turned to his mother and said “Mum, ain’t we African? Ain’t we black?” Ain’t we coloured?” She replied, “Yes son… but today we is niggers. Let them do the Muslims first”.
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July 21, 2012 8:00pm
Johnboy

Thank God that Sodomites come before Wainuiomartians! 🙂
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July 21, 2012 8:03pm
big bruv

Well said Johnboy. Pour yourself a drink.

Tell me, did the mighty Ories win today?
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July 21, 2012 8:05pm
Johnboy

I’m sure you will be able to tell me BB. 🙂
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July 21, 2012 8:06pm
nasska

Luck of the draw Johnboy. As they say, some days you’re the Arab…..some days you’re the goat. 🙂
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July 21, 2012 8:08pm
big bruv

Johnboy

It was a genuine question. I am far removed from the Polo grounds so genuinely have no idea what the result was today.
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July 21, 2012 8:09pm
Yvette

Il était une fois un homme de Juno,
Il a dit, «Sex, ce que je sais,
Les femmes sont très bien,
moutons sont divines,
mais tatous sont numero uno. 🙂
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July 21, 2012 8:11pm
Reid

This is very interesting. For example in part II: propaganda, we get:

The fundamental contradiction in world society over the last few centuries has been between the haves and the have nots – between the dispossessed majority of the world, disproportionately concentrated in the 3rd world and the powerful states and the elites that benefit and control those powerful states in this world system and depending on what moment in the last few centuries there’s always been one or another way in which that contradiction has been ideologically framed. So it was ideologically framed as the manifest destiny, the superiority of the anglo-saxon race and its destiny to rule the world before there was any such thing as communism or the soviet union. Then it was framed as anarchists. Anarchists that are going to create an anarchic society still before the soviet union came into existence. During the Cold War the principle way of the war between the rich and powerful against the majority of the world was framed, was as a struggle against communism. Then the Cold War comes to an end and its a struggle against international drug trafficking and then we have 911 and now the principle lines of battle are ideologically expressed as a war against terrorism.

Of course if you can’t bring yourself to consider the possibility the US isn’t always the good guy, don’t even bother. By all means be skeptical, so you should. But I’d be surprised if you watch this and learn nothing you didn’t already know.
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July 21, 2012 8:12pm
Johnboy

Wainui women beat Ories Women 12-10 BB if that’s any help! 🙂
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July 21, 2012 8:17pm
Reid

How about I give you a link as well?

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/power-principle/
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July 21, 2012 8:30pm
Johnboy

Better link here:

http://www.clubrugby.co.nz/wellington/story.php?id=498

Milky should be happy. 🙂

Catholics and half Catholics triumphant!
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July 21, 2012 8:33pm
big bruv

So once again the mighty Ories were triumphant.
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July 21, 2012 8:40pm
Johnboy

Must have bought some better FOB’s than the other teams BB. 🙂

But our “Wimmin” can still beat your “Wimmin” ! 🙂
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July 21, 2012 8:45pm
big bruv

Johnboy

We have always relied on FOB’s. One year I was the only bloke who spoke English in the forward pack. 😉

Did your “wimmin” win the boat race as well?
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July 21, 2012 10:02pm
publicwatchdog

PROTEST AGAINST CORRUPT CRONY CASINO CAPITALISM!

Sunday 22 July 2012 1 -3pm
Outside Sky City Convention Centre – venue of 2012 National Party Conference

(Straight after the Auckland Action Against Poverty protest from 11.30am – 1pm against WAR ON THE POOR!)

What role did NZ Prime Minister John Key – former Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch play in the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (which helped to keep a wall between safe, boring commercial banking and more risky exciting/dangerous investment banking)?

The Glass Steagall Act was repealed in November 1999.

Where was John Key at that time?

Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch and a Foreign Exchange Advisor for the New York Federal Reserve.

The effect of the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (and other legislation) was to leave the derivatives market completely unregulated.

What is the main reason for the current global financial meltdown?

The collapse of the derivatives market.

How much is John Key personally responsible for the global financial crisis – given his former pivotal role at a pivotal time in helping to establish and promote/enable the derivatives market?

(I did ask John Key this question in an ‘Open Letter’ in 2011 during the election campaign – but did not get a reply. 🙁

I will ask again outside the Sky City Convention Centre at this protest against CORRUPT CRONY CASINO CAPITALISM!

Why did John Key start a political career back in New Zealand in 2001?

To work in the interests of NZ ‘mums and dads’ or to help open up NZ for foreign investors and his BANK$TER mates?

There will be more information John Key’s shonky ‘conflicts of interest’…….

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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