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Weihana

Elaycee,

No sympathy here….they knowingly broke the LAW!

Speaking of missing the point, I never said it wasn’t against the law nor did I ask you to feel sympathy for them. But good on you for pointing out the obvious.
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July 18, 2012 7:29pm
Fletch

Bit violent – but a 10 minute short featuring Thomas Jane as The Punisher.
He wanted to revisit the character.

http://youtu.be/bWpK0wsnitc
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July 18, 2012 7:30pm
thedavincimode

nasska, nasska

How’s your drainage (buttercup 🙂 )?
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July 18, 2012 7:32pm
Reid

I will advance that he is neither Hawaiian or Kenyan

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2010/10/09/down-the-rabbit-hole-barack-obama-tom-morello-satanism-space-kids-and-the-cyborg-project/
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July 18, 2012 7:33pm
Fletch

PaulEastBay, you’re completely wrong about the Separation of Church and State thing, and so are many in the U.S who interpret in exactly the opposite way in which it was meant.

Jefferson was writing to the Danbury Baptists to assure them that the government would not insist of one denomination of religion over another. He is basically saying that the government should keep it’s nose out of anything to do with religion NOT that religion should have no part in government or the running of government.

Jefferson had committed himself as President to pursuing the purpose of the First Amendment: preventing the “establishment of a particular form of Christianity” by the Episcopalians, Congregationalists, or any other denomination.

Since this was Jefferson’s view concerning religious expression, in his short and polite reply to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802, he assured them that they need not fear; that the free exercise of religion would never be interfered with by the federal government. As he explained:

Gentlemen, – The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association give me the highest satisfaction. . . . Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association assurances of my high respect and esteem. [9]

Jefferson’s reference to “natural rights” invoked an important legal phrase which was part of the rhetoric of that day and which reaffirmed his belief that religious liberties were inalienable rights. While the phrase “natural rights” communicated much to people then, to most citizens today those words mean little.

By definition, “natural rights” included “that which the Books of the Law and the Gospel do contain.” [10] That is, “natural rights” incorporated what God Himself had guaranteed to man in the Scriptures. Thus, when Jefferson assured the Baptists that by following their “natural rights” they would violate no social duty, he was affirming to them that the free exercise of religion was their inalienable God-given right and therefore was protected from federal regulation or interference.

So clearly did Jefferson understand the Source of America’s inalienable rights that he even doubted whether America could survive if we ever lost that knowledge. He queried:

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have lost the only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? [11]

Jefferson believed that God, not government, was the Author and Source of our rights and that the government, therefore, was to be prevented from interference with those rights. Very simply, the “fence” of the Webster letter and the “wall” of the Danbury letter were not to limit religious activities in public; rather they were to limit the power of the government to prohibit or interfere with those expressions.

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July 18, 2012 7:37pm
kowtow

OK guys try this from John Adams and others.

http://www.free2pray.info/5founderquotes.html

Christian morality underpins the US constitution.You may not like that or even accept that ,but there you go.
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July 18, 2012 7:43pm
nasska

thedavincimode

…”How’s your drainage”…..

Bloody awful. A lot of my land is very low & while it grows incredible amounts of feed during the dry months life is a constant battle against rushes & buttercup. Liming & spraying helps but it shortens the useful life of the grass by a couple of years. The ‘Preside’ works well but I’ve found it to be pretty hard on the clover probably because I can’t get the equipment on to the land until mid/late spring.

At the moment I’ve got stock standing in mud up to their udders but it will improve.
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July 18, 2012 7:57pm
Pauleastbay

Flecth

His natural rights talk etc was all based on the likes of Cicero etc, not the bible, the bible will have plagerised the writing of the ancients. Rules of decency and common sense handed down through the ages.

Noah is a classic plagerisim, the marsh Arabs of Iraq have the same story and have had for thousands of years.

All it is a collection of rules for people who could not read most of them basic common sense, all peoples have them.

Maori have them such a when a diver drowns on the coast, a rahui is put in place- there is lots of talk about respect etc but the deep down common sense reason is they don’t want anyone eating crays that might have dined on the body which could make everyone crook.

I’m not saying things in the bible are all bad, you’d shouldn’t kill your neighbours wife in a covert and the like, so its a guide book nothing more.

Certainly not something you’d base a government on , no more than Das Capital was
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July 18, 2012 7:59pm
nasska

HAVE YOU GOT WHAT IT TAKES TO JOIN THE PUBLIC SERVICE?

Welcome to this year’s public service exam.

I see that all of you have been able to find yourself a seat and desk so obviously you’ve got what it takes to be public servants.

Should you pass this exam and become a member of the public service, you will enjoy not only the esteem and envy of all your friends but also a unique package of fringe benefits, including:
* An early retirement scheme which allows you to retire while still turning up for work
* flexitime which enables you to decide when you don’t want to work at work and when you don’t want to work away from work
* free use of government stationery (this has been facilitated by the introduction of eight-items-or-less lanes as you leave the building.

I must at this stage warn all examinees that anyone found cheating or copying from their neighbour’s paper will be automatically assigned to Parliament – regardless of whether they fail the intelligence test … ESPECIALLY if they fail the intelligence test..

MATHEMATICS:

Please answer the following question in the spaces provided on your answer sheet.

If you went to lunch at 12 noon and came back to work at 2:30pm how long have you had for lunch?
The answer of course is half an hour.

For those who failed the maths test, you may still be eligible to become Mr English’s tax policy adviser.

MULTIPLE CHOICE:

1. If you are about to take your lunch break and a female member of the general public comes with an enquiry, you should address her by saying:
a) Can I help you, madam?
b) Can I help you, miss?
c) What can I do you for, mate?
d) How’s tricks chick?

The correct answer is ‘none of the above’. This is a trick question. If you are about to take your lunch break, you shouldn’t talk to her at all.

2. If a member of the general public phones up with a complaint and you realize that the file on this matter has been lost. You should say:
a) We are looking into the matter
b) Can I get back to you on this one?
c) The matters have been referred to another committee
d) I haven’t had a chance to look into it yet.

The correct answer is that you should tell them that they have the wrong telephone extension.

SPELLING:

Spell the following words
a) Tea
b) Sickie
c) Lunchbreak
d) Go-slow

This is the end of the examination.Please sign your exam paper illegibly and pass it to those collecting them, while denying that you have ever seen or heard anything about it.
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July 18, 2012 8:01pm
big bruv

kowtow

Are you really suggesting that the norms of decent behaviour did not exist on earth before some con man walked around calling himself the son off the sky fairy?
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July 18, 2012 8:02pm
Pauleastbay

Kowtow

Yep its a guide book, with lots of common sense, but its abit like supermarket coupons, use this book slavishly and you’ll get a prize at the end, sorry thats where it falls down
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July 18, 2012 8:04pm
Scott Chris

So while Elaycee is probably right in regarding these people as scum, it is only because of the laws which Elaycee supports that these types of people have control of such vast resources with which to further other criminal endeavours.

+1

Conservatives and the laws the seek to uphold are amongst the drug lord’s biggest benefactors.

No black market = no drug lords.
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July 18, 2012 8:08pm
Nostalgia-NZ

big bruv did you read editorial in North and South magazine this month? I gather Mike White thinks you might be a ‘witch-sniffer.’
Journalists these days.
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July 18, 2012 8:13pm
Fletch

Pauleastbay, except the Bible is true: the people and places it talks of existed, and this is bourne out more and more by historical artefacts. The Bible is one of the most accurate and informative historical books we have today.
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July 18, 2012 8:14pm
nasska

Scott Chris

While I agree with you on that one I wish you luck selling the idea on this forum. Unfortunately the solution is too straight forward for some whose default position revolves round “but it is illegal” while they are gargling a single malt.
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July 18, 2012 8:17pm
big bruv

Nostalgia

Who the hell is Mike White?
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July 18, 2012 8:23pm
Pauleastbay

Fletch

Then you go and get totally silly.

You cannot grow a human from a piece of bone and you’re not meant to shag your sister.

Even you will acknowledge that the new testament was written years perhaps hundreds of years after the events described.

Now I’ve got a reasonable memory but please, even people I know who live a religious life admit that the bible is not something to be taken literally, its a book of fables with rules for living a decent life, absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Novels have real people and places in them but that doesn’t make them true, Gore Vidal has written a great body of work on the United States using real people and events but most everything is made up.

Like I said the Marsh Arabs have the Noah story, had it for thousands of years. See they even had urban myths in ancient times.

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July 18, 2012 8:24pm
big bruv

“The Bible is one of the most accurate and informative historical books we have today.”

Lol….it is a work of fiction Fletch. It has about as much merit as any one of J K Rowlings books.
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July 18, 2012 8:28pm
Fletch

big bruv, says you…

“I know of no finding in archaeology that’s properly confirmed which is in opposition to the Scriptures. The Bible is the most accurate history textbook the world has ever seen.” – Dr Clifford Wilson, formerly director of the Australian Institute of Archaeology (quote obtained from: Archaeologist Speaks Out)

“Through the wealth of data uncovered by historical and archaeological research, we are able to measure the Bible’s historical accuracy. In every case where its claims can thus be tested, the Bible proves to be accurate and reliable.” – Dr. Jack Cottrell, The Authority of the Bible (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), pp. 48-49.

“In every instance where the findings of archaeology pertain to the Biblical record, the archaeological evidence confirms, sometimes in detailed fashion, the historical accuracy of Scripture. In those instances where the archaeological findings seem to be at variance with the Bible, the discrepancy lies with the archaeological evidence, i.e., improper interpretation, lack of evidence, etc. — not with the Bible.” – Dr. Bryant C. Wood, archaeologist, Associates for Biblical Research [1]

“It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical description has often led to amazing discoveries.” – Dr. Nelson Glueck, Rivers in the Desert, (New York: Farrar, Strous and Cudahy, 1959), 136.

“Archaeology has confirmed countless passages which have been rejected by critics as unhistorical or contradictory to known facts……Yet archaeological discoveries have shown that these critical charges…..are wrong and that the Bible is trustworthy in the very statements which have been set aside as untrustworthy…..We do not know of any cases where the Bible has been proved wrong.” – Dr. Joseph P. Free, Archaeology and Bible History. Scripture Press, Wheaton, IL, 1969, pg. 1

“The reader may rest assured that nothing has been found [by archaeologists] to disturb a reasonable faith, and nothing has been discovered which can disprove a single theological doctrine. We no longer trouble ourselves with attempts to ‘harmonize’ religion and science, or to ‘prove’ the Bible. The Bible can stand for itself.” – Dr. William F. Albright, eminent archeologist who confirmed the authenticity of the Dead Sea Scrolls following their discovery

“There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition.” – Dr. William F. Albright, Archaeology and the Religions of Israel. Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1956, p. 176.

“On the whole, however, archaeological work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the Scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine….Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. It has shown, in a number of instances, that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artificial schemes of historical development. This is a real contribution and not to be minimized.” – Millar Burrows, Professor of Archaeology at Yale University, What Mean These Stones?, Meridian Books, New York, NY, 1956, p. 1

“The excessive skepticism of many liberal theologians stems not from a careful evaluation of the available data, but from an enormous predisposition against the supernatural.” – Professor Millar Burrows (Professor of Archaeology at Yale University), What Mean These Stones?, Meridian Books, New York, NY, 1956, p. 176.

“It is therefore legitimate to say that, in respect of that part of the Old Testament against which the disintegrating criticism of the last half of the nineteenth century was chiefly directed, the evidence of archaeology has been to reestablish its authority and likewise to augment its value by rendering it more intelligible through a fuller knowledge of its background and setting. Archaeology has not yet said its last word, but the results already achieved confirm what faith would suggest – that the Bible can do nothing but gain from an increase in knowledge.” – Sir Frederic Kenyon, a former director of the British Museum, The Bible and Archaeology (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1940), page 279.

“I set out to look for truth on the borderland where Greece and Asia meet, and found it there. You may press the words of Luke in a degree beyond any other historian’s and they stand the keenest scrutiny and the hardest treatment.” – Sir William Ramsey (eminent archaeologists who changed his mind regarding Luke after extensive study in the field), (1915), The Bearing of Recent Discovery on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1975 reprint), page 89.

Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of facts trustworthy; he is possessed of the true historic sense…In short this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians.” – Sir William Ramsey (archaeologist), The Bearing of Recent Discovery on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament, 1915, pages 81, 222
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July 18, 2012 8:35pm
bhudson

And isn’t that called corruption in any other country? Or is it OK when the govt does it in order not to endanger a massively important (to them) trade deal. Er… Nah.

So let’s get this straight Reid – you are claiming that the govt engineered Harvey dropping the comment such that he would have to recuse himself for the case??

In the immortal words of John McEnroe – “You cannot be serious!”

(Hell, if there were no such things as zebras, you’d be inventing them just so you could hunt for them.)
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July 18, 2012 8:39pm
nasska

“In the name of God the father,God the son,God the holy ghost,and God the Higgs-Boson particle”.

It’s not got the same ring to it has it?.
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July 18, 2012 8:42pm
krazykiwi

No black market = no drug lords

I’m always amused when people focus on the denied extacy (sorry, wrong word!) of the one at the top of the pile, rather than the expanded agony of the dependent masses. Why should the healthy pay the soaring medical bills of those that choose to indulge in this new drug-lord free world?
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July 18, 2012 8:43pm
Pauleastbay

Fletch

http://earthsky.org/earth/when-were-the-first-dinosaur-bones-discovered

When the first dinosaur bone was discovered in 1685, people thought it was the bone from a giant, ancient human.

And please read Albrights quote above “There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition.” – Dr. William F. Albright and tell me how that proves anything, I’m sure the descriptions of the hovels people lived in are accurate and the food described would correspond with the local diet but how does that go on to add credence to the rising up bit ,divine being etc
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July 18, 2012 8:43pm
mikenmild

I’m looking forward to archaeological confirmation of Noah’s Ark, the parting of the Red Sea, the visit of the Queen of Sheba, Joseph in Egypt, etc, etc
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July 18, 2012 8:46pm
mikenmild

‘Why should the healthy pay the soaring medical bills of those that choose to indulge in this new drug-lord free world?’
Perhaps on the same basis that they pay for the care of alcoholics?
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July 18, 2012 8:47pm
kowtow

big bruv the anti christian bigot who constantly complains about he who is no longer with us
manages a threadjack himself at 616.

I’m not sure who is worse. But BB really is obsessed and driven by his hatred for Christianity. He constantly refers to it.

Almost every topic he brings around to his pet hate and then his acolytes gleefully jump in.

Maybe if BB left off it GD could be better again?
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July 18, 2012 8:47pm
Johnboy

Amazing nasska. I never realised the Atlas detector was so sensitive it could image the Higgs Bosons ring.

Is nothing sacred these days? 🙂
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July 18, 2012 8:50pm
Johnboy

Glorious victory to your chaps there Milkey. Smashing the mighty Martians 3-0.

Full credit! 🙂
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July 18, 2012 8:52pm
bhudson

…it is only because of the laws which Elaycee supports that these types of people have control of such vast resources with which to further other criminal endeavours.

Weihana,

No, it is only because they break the laws
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July 18, 2012 8:53pm
big bruv

kowtow

Are you that insecure about your religion?
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July 18, 2012 8:53pm
mikenmild

Rugby is still sacred JB, so you can keep praying that Wainui will scrape in to the Jubilee Cup semis. Your opponents this Saturday have the Pope on their side; so it will be an interesting test of faith.
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July 18, 2012 8:53pm
Andrei

I see the boy scouts of America have retained their common sense and will not let homos be scout leaders.

The usual suspects are up in arms wah wah discwimination.

In more sensible ages it was just common sense to keep sexual deviants away from children but in these enlightened times we have to pander to perverts or keep our mouths shut
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July 18, 2012 8:55pm
Johnboy

At least they are full Catholics not wishy-washy half-pie apostates like HOBM Milkey! 🙂
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July 18, 2012 8:57pm
Pauleastbay

Andrei, Fletch – call Lucia out, I’m up for it tonight, well fed and rested and ready to rumble
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July 18, 2012 8:59pm
Johnboy

Needless to say HOBM are all praying like mad that the Gods are on their side since their unfortunate slide into the fiery pit of Jubilee Cup oblivion! 🙂 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:00pm
nasska

krazykiwi

You are carefully ignoring the fact that people are receiving treatment for drug & alcohol related diseases & conditions now. If drugs were taxed & attracted duty in the same way alcohol is the money raised could be used to pay for picking up the pieces, a cost which is currently borne by the general taxpayer.

What about the other upsides such as the savings in police time, court trials & punishment of offenders? The amount spent on keeping drugs illegal isn’t exactly chump change.
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July 18, 2012 9:00pm
Johnboy

Will Lucia pray for the half-Catholics too PEB. They need all the help they can get! 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:01pm
mikenmild

I have heard that rosary beads rather than tackle bags have been resorted too at practice! Seriously though, religion should be kept out of sport.
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July 18, 2012 9:02pm
Elaycee

bhudson says:”No, it is only because they break the laws”

Exactly.
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July 18, 2012 9:02pm
krazykiwi

‘Why should the healthy pay the soaring medical bills of those that choose to indulge in this new drug-lord free world?’
Perhaps on the same basis that they pay for the care of alcoholics?

No. We can no longer afford the costs of personalised choice being met by socialised care. This should also apply to alcohol induced illness/injury, just as it should apply to my cycling, just as it should apply to the any social costs attributable to liberalised drug use.
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July 18, 2012 9:03pm
Johnboy

True Milkey. I think that happened when we stopped burning Catholics in the village square every Sunday.
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July 18, 2012 9:04pm
Johnboy

Has your cycling caused you testicular cancer yet KK? I believe it is a common complaint amongst the lycra lovers.
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July 18, 2012 9:06pm
Johnboy

My alcohol addiction has of course only caused me to suffer terminal stupidity hence my regular visits here! 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:08pm
big bruv

Johnboy

You can all forget about winning it this year. The title will go (once again) to the mighty Ories.
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July 18, 2012 9:13pm
nasska

Saw a sticker on that back of a car recently saying, ‘Please give cyclists SPACE’

What’s the world coming to, they take up enough room on the roads now & then the cheeky bastards want the Universe.
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July 18, 2012 9:15pm
Johnboy

The Christians are right. You are the Great Satan BB! 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:16pm
krazykiwi

The boys are fine JB, just fine 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:16pm
Johnboy

Maybe it meant the space between them and the top wire of the fence if you get the angle just right with your bullbar nasska?
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July 18, 2012 9:18pm
nasska

Johnboy

I’ll work on it! 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:20pm
Johnboy

If you are mad enough to keep cycling after a JB health warning KK just keep playing pocket billiards as well.

Early detection saves lives. 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:20pm
krazykiwi

JB – you mean this barbed wire?
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July 18, 2012 9:22pm
nasska

Funny how a self-examination for testicular cancer easily turns into a wank.
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July 18, 2012 9:24pm
Johnboy

He was really lucky that the car hit him KK.

If you check the picture carefully I suspect the surgeons arrested a future fatal case of arse varicose veins as well as putting a sticking plaster on the minor scratches.

Early detection my boy. Keep your hand in your pocket like I suggested. 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:30pm
big bruv

Johnboy

I might have to stop talking with you. Given that I am getting mentioned in North and South magazine I might need to ring an agent to take care of my press releases.

Nothing personal you understand.
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July 18, 2012 9:32pm
krazykiwi

JB – I think he was attempting an unconventional vasectomy. Almost suceeded by the looks!
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July 18, 2012 9:37pm
Johnboy

You need an Agent BB? Have I got an agent for a regular Goyim like you!

Yonatan Boychik is the man who can propel you to instant stardom.

Give me a call some time I’ll put you in touch for a small fee! 🙂
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July 18, 2012 9:40pm
Weihana

krazikiwi,

Why should the healthy pay the soaring medical bills of those that choose to indulge in this new drug-lord free world?

People consume drugs regardless of legal status. The difference with alcohol is that those who drink it pay tax on their vice, thus contributing to relieve the government of expenditures related to its consumption. Of course the fatties who swallow bucket loads of chicken pay nothing towards the costs they place on the government.
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July 18, 2012 9:47pm
Fletch

Tonight’s episode of Castle – Castle does one of the worst Chandler-type private eye accents ever…
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July 18, 2012 9:50pm
thedavincimode

nasska

It won’t improve; it’ll only get drier and then the cycle repeats.

Don’t know your circs, but is it soil structure or just too low lying. Tried ripping/aerating/$$$tile draining$$$$ ?? Got any worms there (when it isn’t sodden or baked hard)? If your structure is RS (which I expect it will be if cows up to udders this time of year) then improving structure can make huge difference unless farming in swamp.

Suggest you also contact Maori Council and ask them to remove their water. Might require resource consent for that though (affected Taniwha).

Funny how a self-examination for testicular cancer easily turns into a wank.

Resident expert on point is sulking, so he can’t confirm.
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July 18, 2012 9:50pm
big bruv

Johnboy

I was thinking more along the lines of Khoder Nasser.

I am a much bigger name than SBW and Khoder seems to be the man to make the deals.
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July 18, 2012 9:51pm
Weihana

bhudson (2,102) Says:
July 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

…it is only because of the laws which Elaycee supports that these types of people have control of such vast resources with which to further other criminal endeavours.

Weihana,

No, it is only because they break the laws

And they will continue to break those laws because of the incentives that exist. It is pointless writing laws that create the incentives that encourages the behaviour you oppose. A rational ethics must be guided by the outcomes it achieves in actuality. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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July 18, 2012 9:54pm
thedavincimode

nasska

Better still, ask Scott Chris.
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July 18, 2012 9:54pm
Johnboy

Oy vey. Suit yourself BB. Take everything he says with a grain of salt. For instance, there are no virgins waiting for you believe me!
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July 18, 2012 9:57pm
Yvette

PHOENIX – After determining earlier this year there is probable cause to suspect the document released by the White House as Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said today he believes his Cold Case Posse’s investigation should be advanced to the federal government, based on further information released today … Cold Case Posse lead investigator Mike Zullo said the new information confirms the document presented to the American public in April 2011 is undoubtedly fraudulent.

Arpaio told WND he intends to move the investigation and the new information to a higher authority within the federal government because of what he calls an imminent threat to national security and U.S. immigration laws … “Although I am having a difficult time deciding who to forward this information to given the fact that the obvious choices report directly to the president …” Arpaio said.

Bugger.
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July 18, 2012 9:59pm
nasska

thedavincimode

Soil is as good as you would hope for in a semi drained swamp. Over the years I’ve put in scallop drains but once the water table is up there’s no effective drainage. Tests are showing a average PH of 5.9 so I can’t go much further down that track. I’ve used dicalcic fertiliser since I bought the place & according to the Hatuma rep there’s not much point in banging on more than maintenance applications. Worm counts in late spring are good & the Taniwha seem happy.

I’ve got some higher ground but it gets a fair hammering in the winter.
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July 18, 2012 10:05pm
Weihana

Fletch,

…government should keep it’s nose out of anything to do with religion NOT that religion should have no part in government or the running of government…

How can religion be involved with government without government being involved in religion? It’s a contradiction in terms. It’s like saying Bill had an affair with Monica but Monica had nothing to do with Bill.

The only way the government can keep out of religion is by not favouring any religion (or non-religion).

I’m not interested in arguing what Jefferson meant. He’s certainly not around to clarify the matter. But in any case when they said that “all men are created equal” they meant “…but only for whites” and they meant “men” literally. These concepts have been improved upon and when ~~nutters~~ people like yourself advocate that Christianity play a part in government we can be assured that our liberties are next on your agenda because that is the only purpose of mixing religion with government: to impose your fantasies on everyone else.
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July 18, 2012 10:05pm
Nostalgia-NZ

big bruv. Had to check that out in case he was a casual contributor, but he’s in fact he’s a writer at the North and South magazine writing both an editorial and feature article on the EM trial where he noted some anonymous contributors from this site and others commenting of the not guilty verdict. I didn’t get a mention I must report without much jealousy.

The feature is worth a read.
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July 18, 2012 10:07pm
big bruv

Johnboy

Better be…I heard there are fifteen of them waiting for me.
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July 18, 2012 10:19pm
nasska

big bruv

If they’re still virgins in this day & age you can put the house on the likelihood that they’ll be fair mingers! 🙂
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July 18, 2012 10:25pm
Fletch

Weihana, whether you like it or not, America was founded by Christian people on Christian principles. To now say you don’t like it is just too bad. It would be like belonging to a decades-old vegetarian society and declaring that it’s not right that they don’t eat meat: that’s too bad – it is what it is. Don’t like it, go somewhere else.

Those who don’t like America’s Christian roots can always go live in another country – one where women wear veils, gays get stoned, and anyone who blasphemes against the Prophet gets killed.

Take your pick; I know to which culture I’d rather belong.
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July 18, 2012 10:29pm
kowtow

Funny French national day,equality,freedom, the US constitution ,freedom of religion etc Pity the frogs had no respect for their pretended principles.How many French died in the Terror?

http://clarescatholicclutter.blogspot.co.nz/2010/07/saint-of-day-carmelite-martyrs-of.html
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July 18, 2012 10:36pm
Johnboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6TFW1F6oY0&feature=related

When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that’s the best
When I lay me down to die
Goin’ up to the spirit in the sky
Goin’ up to the spirit in the sky
That’s where I’m gonna go when I die
When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that’s the best

Prepare yourself you know it’s a must
Gotta have a friend in Jesus
So you know that when you die
He’s gonna recommend you
To the spirit in the sky
Gonna recommend you
To the spirit in the sky
That’s where you’re gonna go when you die
When you die and they lay you to rest
You’re gonna go to the place that’s the best

Never been a sinner I never sinned
I got a friend in Jesus
So you know that when I die
He’s gonna set me up with
The spirit in the sky
Oh set me up with the spirit in the sky
That’s where I’m gonna go when I die
When I die and they lay me to rest
I’m gonna go to the place that’s the best
Go to the place that’s the best
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July 18, 2012 10:39pm
big bruv

Johnboy

Nothing wrong with the odd minger. Go ugly and go early.
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July 18, 2012 10:46pm
Johnboy

And they’re so grateful they’ll do anything eh!

Even take their teeth out. 🙂
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July 18, 2012 10:49pm
Manolo

The Maori Party will be offended by this too: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8501486/new-bid-at-wto-to-halt-plain-packaging
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July 19, 2012 3:37am
Manolo

Run for your life: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/florida-customer-shoots-suspects-during-internet-cafe-robbery/
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July 19, 2012 3:45am
Manolo

Who did it? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/18/bulgaria-bus-explosion-kills-3-israeli-tourists/
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