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July 16, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 16 July 2012

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Other_Andy

@Steve

“Then they will realise that it was ‘oil’ that enabled them to travel to NZ”

The one protesting against the drilling of the gas exploration well is Britt Moore who runs several businesses on Stewart Island.
As with most ‘Greenies’ she is either not to bright or an absolute hypocrite (probably both). Without fossil fuels none of those ‘eco-tourists’ will be able to visit Stewart Island and all her businesses will fail.
As with most of them, she wants her cake and eat it too.
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July 16, 2012 8:39pm
Viking2

The New Army.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfNr55lV6sc
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July 16, 2012 8:43pm
nasska

V2

And we haven’t had an entry for the Air Force yet. You don’t think it might be time for us old buggers to walk in to the Pacific Ocean, pull a wave over our heads & call it a day? 🙂
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July 16, 2012 8:58pm
Other_Andy

Trains costing an arm and a leg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/9402530/9-billion-rail-expansion-will-be-funded-by-eye-watering-fare-rises.html

And these trains are actually connecting fairly large population centres.
Not a fun loop going from a place nobody wants to go to a place nobody lives….

Spending up to $2.4 billion.
Rate payers and tax payers will foot most (If not all) of the bill.
Is there ANYBODY (Except Len and his mates) that think this is a good idea?
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July 16, 2012 9:30pm
mikenmild

I’m not sure about the proposed Auckland rail scheme. I gather the government is not too keen, although I wonder if that would have been different had John Banks won the mayoral election. Can anyone confirm that the BCR for this project is better than most major roading projects?
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July 16, 2012 9:38pm
Other_Andy

@mikenmild

“Is the BCR for this project is better than most major roading projects?”

I have no idea but there are several other things that need to be taken into consideration apart from the BCR.
Whatever the comparison between roading projects and this ‘rail project’ anybody can see this one is a total waste of money.
As I said, this is a fun loop going from a place nobody wants to go to a place nobody lives.
Why were existing tram services stopped in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch in the first place?
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July 16, 2012 9:54pm
mikenmild

Oh well if, as you say, anybody can see this is a waste of money, then I guess it will never happen. Who needs to investigate such proposals when we have you to pronounce on their worth?
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July 16, 2012 9:59pm
Other_Andy

@mm

For a moment I thought you wanted to add something to the discussion on light rail.
My bad…
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July 16, 2012 10:05pm
dime

Best gd thread in ages.

I’ll try not to lower the tone too much :p
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July 16, 2012 10:07pm
jcuk

>>>Other_Andy (1,864) Says:

July 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Trains costing an arm and a leg
Is there ANYBODY (Except Len and his mates) that think this is a good idea?<<<

Yes I do and it would have cost much less if it had been done in Robbie's Day but you know these dumb jaffas and their love of cars.
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July 16, 2012 10:09pm
mikenmild

I don’t have much of an idea about light rail. I know it has been proposed in Wellington, for a route between the railway station and the airport, but I doubt this will stack up against bus enhancements.
The Auckland project seems to have a bit more going for it, but it’s a long way off decision time for its business case.
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July 16, 2012 10:10pm
Other_Andy

@mikenmild

“I don’t have much of an idea about light rail. I know it has been proposed in Wellington, for a route between the railway station and the airport, but I doubt this will stack up against bus enhancements.
The Auckland project seems to have a bit more going for it, but it’s a long way off decision time for its business case.”

My, my, a constructive comment…

Yes, I would like to see the business case. I have seen a few BCR’s about rail vs Road and the one thing that they always seem to forget is the fact that a road is not only used by cars but also by trucks, busses, cyclists and pedestrians. Len’s light rail is exclusively for passengers.
I do support the idea that motorways should be funded by road taxes and fuel taxes only.
‘Normal’ roads are a bit more complex as they are also used by others who are not paying road and fuel taxes (cyclists and pedestrians).
And yes, I also support light rail but only if it is self funding.
There seem to be however very few places where that is the case.

@jcuk

“Yes I do and it would have cost much less if it had been done in Robbie’s Day but you know these dumb jaffas and their love of cars.”

Auckland had a light rail (tram) service from 1902 to 1956. There was a good reason why it was stopped jcuk.
The reason why it was stopped in 1956 is probably still valid (economically not viable).
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July 16, 2012 11:11pm
Manolo

He was indoctrinated as a child. His father was a communist. His mother was a leftist. He was sent to prep and Ivy League schools where his contempt for the country was reinforced. He moved to Chicago. It was the home of the radical-left movement. He hooks up to Ayers and Dohrn and Rashid Khalidi. He learns the ruthlessness of Cook County politics. This is what we have as a president: A radical ideologue, a ruthless politician who despises the country and the way it was founded and the way in which it became great.

He hates it.

About Obama. True.
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July 17, 2012 6:34am
jcuk

With Auckland expected to increase its population by another million people it is essential that there be better public transport. I am sure most of that extra million will be lower paid people who are unlikely to be able to afford their own transport and will need public services. In my travels overseas I have noted it is the poor that predominently use public transport so asking if is ecconomical is pure rightwing foolishness … the irresponsible people who cannot think past their own noses. Trams gave way to superior transoport of the time and cannot be equated with light rail …I wonder if the people such as Other Andy have any personal experience of travelling on light rail as i have during several overseas trips.

Places where carparks are provided in the suburbs and light rail takes you into the city where in one place Denver there is free electric bus service along the main street. Some right wing predominating areas do exhibit common sense.
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July 17, 2012 8:38am
jcuk

You are a true comedian Manolo LOL
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