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Northland Wahine

Are you serious? Someone throw a breakfast meeting and didn’t tell me?
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July 12, 2012 8:06am
Keeping Stock

So what time did Raymond Huo and Winston Peters have to get up to get their calls for an inquiry in before the Greens then? Oh; hang on; Gareth Hughes is off in Europe hanging out with Lockwood, Darien, Melissa and Denis 😛

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/we-cant-help-but-wonder_12.html

Actually and on second thoughts, maybe Winston wrote the presser on the way home from wherever he had spent the evening; Dominion Road perhaps!
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July 12, 2012 8:11am
Northland Wahine

KS, yesterday’s news regarding immigration department employees looking up rich immigrant details for hook ups!
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July 12, 2012 8:16am
Lee C

Makes a change from looking for pretty ones for BJ’s, I suppose.
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July 12, 2012 8:29am
jaba

having a day off .. we won a cricket game and Oram played .. is Phillip up yet?
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July 12, 2012 8:34am
David Garrett

jaba: I didnt catch it…did they win by 20 points? More?
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July 12, 2012 8:36am
Lipo

Question !!

When the Government or private enterprise partially sell of shares in a Solar Power Energy company, will Maori make a treaty claim for Sunlight?
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July 12, 2012 8:36am
jaba

shitting bricks that the Waitangi tribunal maybe asked to rule on who owns the air that drives the wind turbines
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July 12, 2012 8:37am
jaba

88 DG
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July 12, 2012 8:38am
Luke Mutton

@jabba – there have already been court cases in Europe over this issue.

Party A builds a wind farm. Later party B builds an adjacent wind farm, party A then sues due to loss of wind velocity caused by Party B’s siting of windmills.
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July 12, 2012 8:48am
KiwiGreg

Spain spends 270,000 euros per year per coal mining job to subsidise unprofitable coal mines. Why would anyone lend them money?
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July 12, 2012 8:51am
Other_Andy

Comedian G.Carlin on saving the planet and arrogant little econazis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=player_embedded

Hat tip: whaleoil

Just thinking about our latest American Import Cat Pause, the defender of the fat….

George Carlin on Fat People

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ&feature=related
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July 12, 2012 8:55am
Michael Mckee

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/the_west_bank_may_never_be_the_same.html

hahahahahahahashahahahahah!
Oh boy I’m going to love the obfuscation from the UN and EU on this one.
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July 12, 2012 9:01am
bhudson

we won a cricket game

Just how did mikey know?!?!?
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July 12, 2012 9:15am
TheContrarian

@Michael McKee
American Thinker is an awful, awful source of information.

As to to the cricket – about fucking time.
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July 12, 2012 9:16am
Northland Wahine

he’s a time traveller… Only explanation!
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July 12, 2012 9:17am
RRM

Luke Mutton –

It sounds like those European countries need to introduce some kind of… resource… management… act… to prevent that situation from arising huh?

[Or maybe it’s more economical to just build the turbines and then hire the lawyers..? ]
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July 12, 2012 9:18am
Manolo

The greedy Maori elites will claim anything, i.e., the theory of general, relativity, quantum physics and even the Higgs boson.

Pure Stone Age genius.
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July 12, 2012 9:19am
mikenmild

bhudson
It’s the principle of a two-horse race and we were due for a win. It was only the West Indies, so they were unlikely to beat us 5-zip. Hope you climbed into the TAB at $4.20 for the win!
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July 12, 2012 9:21am
David Garrett

I’m just interested in the margin…not 20 points…but FOUR TIMES 20 points!…
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July 12, 2012 9:25am
mikenmild

Runs, David, runs. Not ‘points’, please.
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July 12, 2012 9:27am
Northland Wahine

Did you place a bet too, David?
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July 12, 2012 9:28am
Sofia

With the likes of Mana Party leader Hone Harawira warning that selling shares in the state- owned power companies is like flogging off a car without the ownership papers, any equivocation by Mr Key would only spook potential investors and potentially derail the asset sales timetable.

The Maori Party, meanwhile, is caught in the crossfire. Its relationship with National has surprised many by its endurance but the Treaty is its line in the sand. It has been left in no doubt that emotions are running high over Mr Key’s comments.

Dr Sharples was yesterday prepared to give Mr Key the benefit of the doubt, suggesting the prime minister had only lashed out under pressure.
But Mr Key has too much to lose to accept the olive branch.

– Tracy Watkins, stuff.co.nz

Off-the-cuff, realistic, or deliberate?
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July 12, 2012 9:32am
eszett

And not to forget, Other_Andy,

George Carlin on religion and god:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo&feature=related

And pro-lifers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtlvr6LLV8&feature=related

My favourite though is Airline Announcements:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DagVklB4VHQ
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July 12, 2012 9:33am
joana

I was writing about the qualifications scam about 15 years ago..I wrote to a Min at the time and didn’t get a reply. Some time later I wrote to a journalist who wanted to know more but no more followup..Twenty years ago , forgery was right up there with drugs throughout Asia not just in China. There are likely to be a lot of these dishonest people here..The ones I was writing about years ago were linked up with a supposedly respectable NZ organization..Particularly the CHCH branch…I assume this organization still exists.I am a bit out of touch…I tried to raise this issue several times but gave up because no one seemed interested..Just more corruption in that little corruption free country.
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July 12, 2012 9:39am
Nookin

Terrific
Justice by opinion poll. Now we can cut the justice budget by 50%. We can even turn it into a game show hosted by a panel of celebrities (do we have any in NZ?) with penalties imposed by the studio audience.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7264170/Scott-Guy-verdict-Survey-reveals-public-opinion
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July 12, 2012 9:43am
hmmokrightitis

Goodness, the rhetoric from Tracy Watkins – “lashed out” – really?

“Mr Key has repeatedly rejected the notion that Maori have an ownership right over water – which goes to the heart of the Waitangi Tribunal case – and has suggested the Government could ignore any recommendation that finds otherwise”

Wow, really lashed out. What is it going to take to get some balanced non-hysterical reporting in this country?

And for Turia to claim JK then gave the dorkback radio cretins a licence to be fuckwits, dear god, is the sky really falling? I would expect this kind of pathetic tantrum from a two year old.

Is National trying to engineer something here?
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July 12, 2012 9:49am
RightNow

TheContrarian (163) Says:
July 12th, 2012 at 9:16 am
@Michael McKee
American Thinker is an awful, awful source of information.

Are you claiming the article cited is incorrect in some way?
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July 12, 2012 9:51am
trout

The NZ Cricket team are celebrating a rare win in the West indies. The West Indian team are celebrating a good payoff from their bookmakers.
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July 12, 2012 9:51am
Other_Andy

@Nookin

“We can even turn it into a game show hosted by a panel of celebrities (do we have any in NZ?) with penalties imposed by the studio audience.”

Did I miss anything? I thought we just had this, complete with daily write-ups and televised ‘discussions’ in our lamestream media by so called experts and gossip writers.
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July 12, 2012 9:58am
RightNow

Mr Key told reporters in Christchurch that “it’s just a statement of fact that the Waitangi Tribunal is not binding on this Government, in the way it wasn’t binding on other Governments.

“It doesn’t mean we won’t listen to them. We might or we might not.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10819020

Now I am unsure if Key is being careless with his words or deliberate.
It would have been more diplomatic to say “We will take their advice under consideration”.
On the other hand I think he has advice that large numbers of Kiwis are unhappy with Maori claiming rights to water, and is signalling that he isn’t seriously going to entertain the notion.
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July 12, 2012 10:01am
David Garrett

Wahine: Yes…I did make a wager at the beginning of this week…but not on the cricket match!
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July 12, 2012 10:03am
Sofia

Dotcom’s case has hit some notable legal tangles since he was arrested in January. For starters, New Zealand will extradite someone only if they face charges that carry at least a five-year jail sentence under the country’s laws. But as the maximum penalty for copyright infringement is just four years, U.S. prosecutors had to beef up their charges against Dotcom by accusing him of criminal racketeering — normally reserved for mob cases involving drugs or gambling–which in New Zealand carry a five-year maximum sentence. But legal experts said that charge puts the case on shaky legal ground.

Did we know that before?

Dotcom said all those delays didn’t represent a victory for the Megaupload defendants, but rather an extended punishment. “People might think it’s good news,” he told the Guardian. “But it’s not. Justice delayed is justice denied. And that’s the foul game the U.S. government is playing. They have terminated my business without a trial. They have frozen my assets without a hearing.”
– http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/vulnerabilities/240003523
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July 12, 2012 10:05am
TheContrarian

@Rightnow

No, I am saying the American Thinker is an awful website filled filled with pseudo-journalism.
Its like a right wing version of NZ”s The Standard
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July 12, 2012 10:22am
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers 🙂

__________________________________________________________________________________________

“12 July 2012

Chief of Staff
ACT
Chris Diack

Dear Chris,

As discussed yesterday by phone, I have a defended hearing on 19 September 2012 at the Auckland District Court in the matter of Police v PENELOPE MARY BRIGHT CRN 12004009078 , arising from my arrest for wilful trespass on 18 June 2012 at the electorate office of John Banks, ACT MP for Epsom, at 27 Gillies Avenue, Newmarket.

Having been trespassed for 2 years from that address, I am seeking confirmation of how best to effect service of a ‘summons to witness’ for John Banks.

I look forward to confirmation of a suitable address at your earliest possible convenience.

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright ”
…..

________________________________________________________________________________________

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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July 12, 2012 10:34am
TheContrarian

Do you work Penny? How do you find the time?
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July 12, 2012 10:39am
bhudson

@Penny,

And what legal obligation is Chris Diack under to assist you in this?
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July 12, 2012 10:40am
Manolo

Living in la-la land: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/11/romney-slams-obama-over-tunning-comment-on-chavez/
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July 12, 2012 10:42am
Pete George

An excellent analysis and summary of the asset sales, water rights and Waitangi issues by Joshua Hitchcock on his ‘Maori Law and Politics’ blog:

Q&A: Māori Council Water Claim and Asset Sales
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July 12, 2012 10:44am
Sofia

Penny, do you really think that Chris Diack, ACT Office, is really going to assist you in serving a ‘summons to witness’ for John Banks?
You should really consult Trevor Mallard and Andrew Little if you want professional help.
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July 12, 2012 10:50am
alex Masterley

Pete G,
Very interesting piece.
i have long thought the Maori Council was past it’s useby date.
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July 12, 2012 10:52am
Keeping Stock

Having been trespassed for 2 years from that address, I am seeking confirmation of how best to effect service of a ‘summons to witness’ for John Banks.

Thank goodness I’d just put my cup of tea down when I read that, otherwise I might have had a liquid laptop!
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July 12, 2012 10:58am
hmmokrightitis

KS, I still giggle every time I see ‘rabbits ears’ on every second comment she makes.

She is clearly ‘completely mad’
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July 12, 2012 11:02am
tedbear

@ July 11th, 2012 at 3:43 pm Kiwigreg on Roman History..

What you and your kids have is an alternative view gained from reading/listening to other books/storytellers.

Get a grip on life and debate sensibly. What you major or minor in is of absolutely zero interest in the matter of Maori and rainwater.

Remember this, “We’re all basically on earth to shit and mate. So unless your job’s to help people shit or mate, it’s not that important, so relax.”
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July 12, 2012 11:08am
alex Masterley

It is odd.

Ms Bright acknowledges that she has been “trespassed” from Mr Banks electorate office yet appears to have visited that address on the 18 the of June as she is charged.

All the prosecution need to do is prove the elements of the offence which to my eye are simply:
a) Proof of service of a trespass notice on Ms Bright, and
b) evidence that after service of that trespass notice that she was present at the premises in question in breach of the notice.

I doubt Mr Banks presence will add much to the prosecution, or the defence for that matter.
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July 12, 2012 11:11am
jaba

Pete George at 10:44 .. good link to read
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July 12, 2012 11:15am
hmmokrightitis

Alex, agree. Whats the penalty for a breach of a tresspass order, anyone?
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July 12, 2012 11:16am
Sofia

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
No, he is still there – last time any one remembered to look
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July 12, 2012 11:34am
Other_Andy

I tought this called for captions…..

http://tinyurl.com/83hvx9t
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July 12, 2012 11:39am
alex Masterley

The penalty for breaching section 4 of the Trespass Act, wilful trespass is a maximum fine of $1,000 and/or a maximum period of 3 months jail.
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July 12, 2012 11:41am
Jimmy Smits

Is anyone having trouble with Kiwiblog’s RSS feed?
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July 12, 2012 11:42am
Keeping Stock

@ Other_Andy – I’ve beaten DPF to the mark with that one; my Tariana Caption Contest has been up and running since before 9am, so come on over and give it your best.
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July 12, 2012 11:46am
Keeping Stock

@ alex Masterley – I just feel sorry for those Police and Corrections officers that would have to deal with Penny. Especially after the performance she turned on when they arrested her at Occupy Auckland last year!

http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Hysterical-scenes-during-arrest-of-Occupy-protestor-Penny-Bright/tabid/309/articleID/240742/Default.aspx

Warning: Kids; ask your parents before watching 😛
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July 12, 2012 11:53am
Other_Andy

@KS

Shocking.
Worse than a three year old throwing a tantrum.
Was she drunk, drugged or both?
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July 12, 2012 12:07pm
hmmokrightitis

Can someone please tell me where I can find praise for falling food prices from left leaning type personages.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/7266949/Dairy-weighs-on-food-prices

Given they rant and rave that its all JK’s fault when prices go up, surely they should be singing his praises when they go down? Right?

tumbleweed….
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July 12, 2012 12:07pm
Keeping Stock

@ Other_Andy – all of the above
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July 12, 2012 12:08pm
graham

KS at 11.53:

It’s just cringe-worthy watching. And then she has the cheek to claim that the Kim Dotcom/John Banks video is causing an international embarrassment to New Zealand? Honestly, if she is out there portraying herself as “representing the people” and a “public watchdog”, and people overseas watch this and think “that’s what the average NZ’er is like”, I would just like to say we are not like that, people, honestly.

I would also like to apologise to the police here and now, on the public’s behalf, for the abuse that Penny subjected them to. As Penny purports to represent us the public, I feel as embarrassed as I would if I was in the middle of a crowded shopping mall with a two-year-old throwing a massive screaming tantrum.

1:12 onwards is just cringe material. It really is just like watching a two-year old throwing a tantrum.
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July 12, 2012 12:35pm
David Garrett

So…that’s what the Water Woman looks like…scary…you could pass her on the street and as long as she didn’t say anything you would never know….

But I am a charitable chap, so Penny, this is how you effect service of a document:

Method 1:

1. Call process server and engage to serve your document. DON’T say anything else.

2. Send documents to process server along with written instructions. DON’T add any diatribes about water or anything else.

3. Receive process server’s report. PAY THE BILL.

or: Method 2:

1. Go to Wellington (on your macrobiotic bicycle, or via the state owned rail operator) on a day when the House is sitting.

2. Ask a friendly security (wo)man to direct you to “the black and white lobby”. You will need to spruce yourself up a bit so as not to attract attention and not be recognised.

3. When Mr Banks approaches on his way to the House, walk up to him and say – politely – “I have some documents for you Mr Banks.” DONT say anything else.

4. At the same time as step 3., hand the document(s) to Banks. If he doesn’t take them, drop them at this feet. Note date and time. DON’T say or do anything else.

5. Prepare affidavit of service.

There you go…dont say we right wingers aren’t generous. That was $75 worth of my time writing and checking that…
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July 12, 2012 12:40pm
Northland Wahine

KS… If my 3 year old Moko behaved like that in public I’d spank her arse, right there and then.

David… You’re such a helpful chappy!
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July 12, 2012 12:48pm
David Garrett

Wahine: Well, we are supposed to do pro bono work from time to time..help the indigent and disadvantaged and all that…Not I hasten to add, that Penny can or should in any way be construed as my client, or that any relationship of lawyer- client should be inferred from my friendly advice…then I’d need an instructing solicitor, and someone from The Standard might report me to the Law Society..again…

Actually come to think of it, why isn’t some legally qualified fellow from over at that cesspit offering to assist Penny in her endeavours?
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July 12, 2012 1:00pm
Northland Wahine

Why not indeed? Would she incur a charge leftist bretheran? Do they not care? Do they not take here seriously? Or if it all turns to shit, they don’t want it sticking to them?
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July 12, 2012 1:07pm
James Stephenson

The West Indian team are celebrating a good payoff from their bookmakers.

Just because the word “Indian” is in the name, it doesn’t mean they behave like actual Indians.

The Blackcaps were just lucky to get Gayle cheaply.
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July 12, 2012 1:08pm
mikenmild

James
Southee to Gayle, OUT, Big wicket. Huge wicket. New Zealand know it. This game is not over. Gayle has been tentative so far, and has looked unsettled. Plays at a full delivery without any feet, from inside the crease, and just offers the bat to dry. The slight movement away takes a healthy edge, and Guptill pouches it at first slip
CH Gayle c Nicol b Southee 11 (37m 22b 2×4 0x6) SR: 50.00

Not so much luck – had been dropped once and played at a good ball.
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July 12, 2012 1:13pm
Pete George

The Blackcaps were just lucky to get Gayle cheaply.

Yeah.
And they were lucky to get a defendable score.
And they were lucky to bowl and field well (mostly).
And they were lucky to get another 8 wickets cheaply.
And they were lucky to get a couple of briliiand runouts.

They were probably lucky the Windies were a bit complacent.
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July 12, 2012 1:23pm
Keeping Stock

@ David Garrett – isn’t against the law to effect service of a summons at Parliament? I seem to remember that that’s what Messrs Mallard and Little were hiding behind when they were playing ducks and drakes when the Collins papers were awaiting service upon them.

Or are you being devious, and trying to get Our Pen carted away kicking and screaming again?
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July 12, 2012 1:24pm
David Garrett

KS: Damn…I think you are right! No, I wasnt being devious. I know you cant serve “proceedings” on an MP within the precincts…the question is whether a summons constitutes “proceedings”…something tells me a summons may be included.

Oh well, then it’s either method number one, or seek advice from one of those defenders of the poor and disadvantaged over at the Standard. I’m sure Mickey (what a guy) or one of the others will be delighted to assist Penny.
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July 12, 2012 1:31pm
James Stephenson

isn’t against the law to effect service of a summons at Parliament?

I thought it was just that the Speaker’s permission was required first.
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July 12, 2012 1:37pm
David Garrett

I haven’t bothered to look, but I think Penny posts her “open letters” both here and at the other place? If so she is no doubt receiving excellent advice at this very moment…gratis of course…
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July 12, 2012 1:41pm
Nostradamus

Keeping Stock:

@ alex Masterley – I just feel sorry for those Police and Corrections officers that would have to deal with Penny. Especially after the performance she turned on when they arrested her at Occupy Auckland last year!

http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Hysterical-scenes-during-arrest-of-Occupy-protestor-Penny-Bright/tabid/309/articleID/240742/Default.aspx

Warning: Kids; ask your parents before watching

Oh dear – was that really the Public ~~Watchdog~~ Crybaby?

That link should be posted each time Penny tries to comment here!
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July 12, 2012 2:07pm
graham

David Garrett: I think Penny posts her “open letters” anywhere that she hasn’t been banned for trolling (which is really what she does). In the past I have seen her post these letters on The Standard, Whaleoil, and in the comments sections of some online columns such as NBR.
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July 12, 2012 2:15pm
hmmokrightitis

Oh, theres 2 minutes of my life Im never getting back. So, Penny, to try and answer your question, “Whats the charge?”, I can only say:

Arrested on suspicion of being suspicious

Impersonating a loud mouthed, badly dressed twazzock. You will get off on this one, youre impersonation was perfect.
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July 12, 2012 2:30pm
Yvette

Penny Bright –

110. Service of summons –

(1) A witness summons may be served –
(a) By delivering it personally to the person summoned; or
(b) By posting it by registered letter addressed to the person summoned at that person’s usual place of residence.

(2) The summons shall –
(a) Where it is served under subsection (1) (a) of this section, be
served at least 24 hours before the attendance of the witness is
required; or
(b) Where it is served under subsection (1) (b) of this section, be served at least 10 days before the date on which the
attendance of the witness is required.

(3) If the summons is posted by registered letter, it shall be deemed for the purposes of subsection (2) (b) of this section
to have been served at the time when the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.

– http://www.justice.govt.nz/publications/publications-archived/1993/human-rights-act-1993/iv-complaints-review-tribunal/procedure-of-tribunal/110-service-of-summons
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July 12, 2012 2:50pm
DJP6-25

David Garrett 8:36am. Hi, David. I didn’t see anything by Philu. Has he been banned again? Did he get a job? I haven’t been here for a couple of weeks.

cheers

David
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July 12, 2012 2:59pm
Other_Andy

I would like to unreservedly apologise for one of my posts this morning.
I have never seen a three year old behave as badly as Penny Bright.
My apologies to all three year olds for the offence caused.
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July 12, 2012 3:09pm
Keeping Stock

Nostradamus said

That link should be posted each time Penny tries to comment here!

I shall make it my mission in life. The warning to children will need to accompany it however.
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July 12, 2012 4:10pm
Colville

Just back from four days freezing my arse off in the Kawekas.
There seems to be no posts full of dots and “eh’s”
What did I miss?
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July 12, 2012 5:13pm
David Garrett

Yvette: Well there you are..just proving that in this internet age, anyone can be a lawyer!!

But aren’t we all good for solving Penny’s problem?

Do we still have “registered mail” ??

Colville: do you have a deer to show for it? some better excuse?
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July 12, 2012 5:27pm
Manolo

A crook in the making. Like father, like son:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/12/us/for-a-soaring-political-career-uncertain-turns.html?_r=1
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July 12, 2012 6:13pm
nasska

Is there no end to the cruelty we see around us?

Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/chYGe
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July 12, 2012 6:24pm
Manolo

Bureaucracy, unions and endless regulations promoted by the Left have killed California: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-san-bernardino-bankruptcy-20120712,0,2433019.story
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July 12, 2012 6:41pm
Fletch

More news to make you question the theory of so-called Climate Change.

Nearly 25 years ago the earth suddenly started absorbing a lot more atmospheric carbon dioxide and scientists, including New Zealand experts, cannot explain why.

The new mystery of the sudden and very detectable increase is outlined by US scientists – working with Niwa’s Sara Mikaloff-Fletcher – in a study published in the Global Biogeochemical Cycles journal.

They say the discovery could have serious implications for what we know about climate change and the battle to reduce carbon emissions.

The scientists noticed, in their data since 1958, an abrupt shift in 1988 towards greater land biosphere absorption – in all the planet’s plant and animal ecosystems.

“Our team applied mathematical techniques that haven’t been widely used in this field to detect the shift,” said Dr Mikaloff-Fletcher.

It was a significant rise – one billion tonnes more of carbon each year, or about 10 per cent of the global fossil fuel emissions for 2010 and could not be explained by the El Nino weather pattern.

“The physical processes driving it remain a mystery.”

The scientists say that without this natural increase in absorption, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would probably have increased even more rapidly over the last two decades.

The team is now investigating what caused the shift and what it can it reveal about land’s ability to absorb carbon dioxide and what that might mean for climate change.

They also are trying to figure out if the carbon uptake is temporary – if it is it may make global efforts to reduce carbon dioxide levels even harder.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/14205370/sudden-carbon-absorption-puzzles-experts/

And –

Rings in fossilised pine trees have proven that the world was much warmer than previously thought – and the earth has been slowly COOLING for 2,000 years.

Measurements stretching back to 138BC prove that the Earth is slowly cooling due to changes in the distance between the Earth and the sun.

The finding may force scientists to rethink current theories of the impact of global warming.

It is the first time that researchers have been able to accurately measure trends in global temperature over the last two millennia.

Over that time, the world has been getting cooler – and previous estimates, used as the basis for current climate science, are wrong.

Their findings demonstrate that this trend involves a cooling of -0.3°C per millennium due to gradual changes to the position of the sun and an increase in the distance between the Earth and the sun.

‘This figure we calculated may not seem particularly significant,’ says Esper, ‘however, it is also not negligible when compared to global warming, which up to now has been less than 1°C.

‘Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.’

MORE – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171973/Tree-ring-study-proves-climate-WARMER-Roman-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html

So, WHY WHY are we being taxed for this global warming LIE?
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July 12, 2012 6:52pm
Reid

It was Tesla’s birthday July 10.

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/10-inventions-of-nikola-tesla-that.html

It astounds me that his research and inventions are so little known. I’ve been asking colleagues for years if they know who he is, just as a test. The more intelligent ones have normally heard his name, but none of them to date, have any detailed idea of what he really did. Considering this guy was much greater than Edison and all of us are taught in school how great Edison was, isn’t this astounding.

Considering his inventions could solve AGW, isn’t it also interesting none of the alarmists have ever advocated exploring his technology. There’s some very interesting stories about what has become of his technology since he died in 1943, but it’s a fact that all his papers disappeared, and none of his research has ever officially surfaced. And bearing in mind everything he achieved was real, as in demonstrated, in front of people, it’s impossible to allege he wasn’t what he appeared to be.
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July 12, 2012 7:03pm
big bruv

Once again Lucia Maria makes excuses for pedophile Priests.

http://nzconservative.blogspot.co.nz/

That woman has no shame at all, she simply refuses to accept that the Catholic church has hidden the actions of kiddy fuckers and continues to do so to this day.
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July 12, 2012 7:13pm
nasska

“I’m free of an abusive cult, based on money and power that worships a fictional deity and safely back with the Catholic Church.” Katie Holmes.

Out of the frying pan….. 🙂
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July 12, 2012 7:17pm
chiz

Women dance more attractively when fertile.
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July 12, 2012 7:20pm
Fletch

bb, I’m not making excuses either – what happened was totally wrong, but tell me – how is this any different to what happens in secular society?

In 1994, Shakeshaft published a report based on a four-year study of 225 sexual abuse complaints—184 in New York State and 41 in other states—against teachers made to federal authorities from 1990 to 1994.[3] She found that “All of the accused admitted sexual abuse of a student, but none of the abusers was reported to the authorities, and only 1 percent lost their license to teach. Only 35 percent suffered negative consequences of any kind, and 39 percent chose to leave their school district, most with positive recommendations. Some were even given an early retirement package.”

In 2004, Shakeshaft published Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature for the United States Department of Education.[2] The report indicated that nearly 10% of U.S. public school students, or 4.5 million students, had been the victims of sexual harassment, rape or sexual abuse. The review described the prevalence of educator sexual misconduct, offender characteristics, targets of educator sexual misconduct, and recommendations for prevention of educator sexual misconduct.[2]

A 2002 New York Times report quoted Shakeshaft, “Only 1 percent of the cases did superintendents follow up to ensure that molesting teachers did not continue teaching elsewhere. In 54 percent, superintendents accepted the teachers’ resignations or retirements. Of the 121 teachers removed this way, administrators knew for certain that 16 percent resumed teaching in other districts… Moving molesting teachers from school district to school district is a common phenomenon. And in only 1 percent of the cases do superintendents notify the new school district. The term “passing the trash” is the preferred jargon among educators”[7]

A 2007 Washington Post report noted, “It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames: ‘passing the trash’ or the ‘mobile molester.'” In addition, “Maine…has a law that keeps offending teachers’ cases secret” and that “in Hawaii, no educators were disciplined by the state in the five years the AP examined, even though some teachers there were serving sentences for various sex crimes during that time. They technically remained teachers, even behind bars.”[8] The report also said, “Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore. School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.”
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July 12, 2012 7:21pm
Fletch

“I’m free of an abusive cult, based on money and power that worships a fictional deity and safely back with the Catholic Church.” Katie Holmes.

Nasska, looks like it’s a very Leftist kind of ‘Catholic Church’ –

Returning to Catholicism is certainly a step toward regaining traditional religion, but don’t count your chickens yet; the church Holmes chose just happens to be the same church Nancy Pelosi frequented while she was Speaker of the House.

You might think any Catholic Church Pelosi felt comfortable at would be somewhat marginal, as Catholicism goes, and you’d be correct. The Church of St. Frances Xavier is a left-wing incarnation of the Catholic Church; its members have marched in New York City’s Gay Pride parade for years.
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July 12, 2012 7:22pm
nasska

Fletch

Does the Pope know about this? 🙂
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July 12, 2012 7:26pm
Fletch

naaska, don’t know!
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July 12, 2012 7:29pm
nasska

Lina spent some months serving God in Kenya.
On her final visit to a remote township Lina attended
a medical clinic. As the Maasai women there began to sing
together, Lina was deeply moved by their hauntingly
beautiful harmonies and wanted to always remember this
moment and recorded it to share it with friends after getting
home.

With tears flowing down her cheeks, Lina turned
to a local and asked, “Can you please tell me the translation
of the words to this song?”

The local looked at Lina and solemnly replied,
“If you boil the water, you won’t get the shits.”
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July 12, 2012 8:00pm
mikenmild

Fletch
I’m just wondering why someone called Shakeshaft would study sexual abuse.
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July 12, 2012 8:16pm
Johnboy

Sad end to HOBM’s hopes and dreams there Milkey!

How sad, never mind! 🙂

Wainui of course is right on target! 🙂
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July 12, 2012 9:41pm
mikenmild

I think Wainui’s hopes might be dented a bit this coming Saturday.
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July 12, 2012 9:53pm
Yvette

David Garret – Yvette: Well there you are..just proving that in this internet age, anyone can be a lawyer!!
_______________

Well, merde – yeah, I have a look back at that link and, damn, there is a date: 1993
Maybe that’s why Collins didn’t just send Trev and Andrew a registered letter after all – I was wondering about that.
Well, bugger

Hey, Penny, sorry the registered mail thing may after all be no more useful than was your posting your open email here on kiwiblog. Sorry about that. Not too bright of me …
I was genuinely trying to help you out
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July 12, 2012 9:59pm
Johnboy

Dream on milkey. We Martians will all say a mass for you half Catholics on Sunday if it will make you feel any better! 🙂
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July 12, 2012 10:06pm
David Garrett

nasska: Aint that the truth? I still amuse myself thinking aboout a theoretical cult which was exposed last week…they have a ritual where at a certain point during the ritual – signaled by the ringing of a bell – they are literally consuming the body and blood of their founder…

can you imagine the headlines?
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July 12, 2012 10:34pm
krazykiwi

and the battle to reduce carbon emissions

Really the battle is to guilt the unthinking masses into energy poverty thereby gaining control over them
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July 12, 2012 10:36pm
Reid

Aint that the truth? I still amuse myself thinking aboout a theoretical cult which was exposed last week…they have a ritual where at a certain point during the ritual – signaled by the ringing of a bell – they are literally consuming the body and blood of their founder…

David you’re not talking about this, are you?

http://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/texts/principal-services/holy-communion.aspx

It’s just if you are, or thinking of say, the Catholic equivalent or any other “serious” Christian faith like the Baptists, then it’s a bit like phil in all his towering ignorance criticising Sir Roger Douglas. Using precisely the sort of trite, superficial, meaningless and frankly, ignorant language which phil is wont to use on such occasions, when grappling with something of which he has no understanding.

But I’m sure you meant something completely different, didn’t you.
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July 12, 2012 10:47pm
Viking2

Key’s attitude ‘corrosive’ – Maori Party
KATE CHAPMAN
Last updated 05:00 13/07/2012

JOHN KEY: The Prime Minister says he will ignore the Waitangi Tribunal if it rules Maori own water.

Prime Minister John Key’s dismissal of the Waitangi Tribunal is “corrosive” towards his relationship with the Maori Party, which hasn’t ruled out walking away from their agreement, its president Pem Bird says.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7271373/Keys-attitude-corrosive-Maori-Party

As usual the bro’s are behaving like hypocrits.
Nothing, no a singlr thing other than their need gor greed stops either Turiana nor Sharples from resigning from Cabinet posts and scuttling off to the cross benches.
Key should scuttle them both, install more National Ministers and call another election ASAP.

That would fix the bro’s, Labour and the Greens as none have any money nor policy ready for a fight.

Time to do it John.

Like Nike.
Just do it.
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July 13, 2012 6:43am
Manolo

The decline accelerates: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/12/usda-uses-spanish-soap-operas-to-push-food-stamp-participation-among-non-citizens-citizens/
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