General Debate 8 June 2012

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Peter

The sweet smell of victory.
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June 8, 2012 8:02am
Peter

Nice to see Global Warming blanketing Christchurch…..
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June 8, 2012 8:03am
hj

Population explosion looms in Pacific, parliamentarians warn

http://www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=68728

Rejoice and be exceeding glad
Jan Logie Green MP
http://www.greens.org.nz/people/janlogie

Our population is ageing as are most OECD populations. An expert in regional demography, Professor Jackson says New Zealand has a substantial deficit of people aged 20 to 40 . Because Pacific and Māori populations are still having babies we may be slightly protected from the impending crisis. But to ensure we have enough workers to pay for our older people and actually run the economy we need to value these communities and invest in them now. It’s the family that generates these future workers and taxpayers. As a country we need our Pacific families to be healthy, well and feeling valued so they don’t just get sucked into Australia when it comes time to looking for work.

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2012/05/25/what-will-the-budget-mean-for-pacific-people-here-and-overseas/
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June 8, 2012 8:07am
Pete George

I’m sure some here will applaud the early downfall of a National government, but I think it will pose major risks for the country and it will trash our democracy.

And Labour are nowhere near ready, they are too busy down and dirty to step up to the government plate.

People are getting crankier, not just in blog bubbles but out in the real world too. Subversion is working, but only because National are too shut off (arrogant?) to see it and deal with it. National alert – trouble likely to escalate.
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June 8, 2012 8:07am
vto

Nice to see the National pricks abusing Parliamentary process to ram through the asset sales law.

Won’t it be great – the government will be worse off financially and power bills will go up.

What a bunch of fucking muppets.
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June 8, 2012 8:07am
East Wellington Superhero

Global warming. Do people still take that seriously?
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June 8, 2012 8:09am
labours a joke

“There was no indication the man who chewed off the face of a homeless man had a history of mental illness or was using drugs other than marijuana, the attacker’s girlfriend has said. ”

Comments please from the resident pot head / leech .
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June 8, 2012 8:10am
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10811446
An historic Treaty settlement will see some of Auckland’s most well-known volcanoes and islands, including One Tree Hill and Rangitoto, returned to local Maori

Returned they did not have it to start with
This is outright bullshit how can you claim land that you did not posses and then sold and later gave away
The Treaty bullshit must stop rewriting history to appease the bloody Maori has gone to far

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/auckland-region/6
In 1820 the Ngāpuhi chief Hongi Hika acquired muskets, enabling him to attack the Tāmaki region. In 1821 Ngāpuhi destroyed the Ngāti Pāoa settlements, and later those of Te Kawerau-a-Maki. Apihai Te Kawau, chief of the Ngāti Whātua, abandoned the isthmus and took his people into exile.
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/auckland-region/7
In 1840 they sold the Crown a wedge of the central isthmus and a large block stretching north to Kaipara Harbour. By the early 1850s the tribe retained only the slopes above the Ōrākei foreshore, and land at Māngere.
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June 8, 2012 8:12am
hj

Warmer air spreads the cold air around. But I could be wrong….(small chance though).
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June 8, 2012 8:13am
hj

Smart Growth for conservatives

[Global warming. Society needs to make reasonable investments in clean water, clean air and habitat protection. But conservatives are highly skeptical about the proposed antidotes to Global Warming, a controversy they believe is ginned up by liberals looking for an excuse to re-order the world in their image.]

http://www.baconsrebellion.com/articles/2012/05/smart_growth_conservatives.html#jump
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June 8, 2012 8:15am
kowtow

The “aging population ” scaremongers are interesting.

The left exploit it to boost immigration of third worlders and thereby destroy the host society with multiculturalism and excessive welfare spending on foreigners.

The right exploit it to bring in immigrants and suppress wages.

Personally I reckon we don’t panic , strictly control government spending and immigration and eventually there’ll be no major problems.
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June 8, 2012 8:16am
graham

Yes vto – because Labour have never ever abused the Parliamentary process.

/sarcasm
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June 8, 2012 8:17am
Griff

East Wellington Superhero

“Global warming. Do people still take that seriously?”

Yes EWSs all except the conservative right who find it too scary and do the ostrich in the sand thing going nananana its not real because I dont believe in the science
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June 8, 2012 8:22am
Scott Chris

The snow was caused by warm air actually: (not that this has anything to do with climate of course)

Weather forecasters call yesterday’s event a warm advection snowfall, because the movement of relatively warm air, which can contain more moisture than the same amount of cold air, drives the system and produces the snow.

You might have missed the fact that as Christchurch was shivering around zero, it was a barmy 21 degrees in Hastings.
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June 8, 2012 8:24am
Manolo

More of the endless Left’s hipocrisy: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/07/Moonves-Outs-Journalism-at-Obama-event
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June 8, 2012 8:28am
labours a joke

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8480453/youth-charged-with-taupo-stabbings

no doubt another peaceful native
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June 8, 2012 8:30am
vto

Graham, I agree they did it as well and, if you recall, the vehemence directed at them by myself at the time was equally strong.

I wonder whether governments are going to be shorter-lived as people simply more quickly vote out whatever government is in and treat the people in this way. A whole series of 3-year governments. Constantly changing.
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June 8, 2012 8:31am
Manolo

no doubt another peaceful native

But the whanau will say this beast is a good, mild-mannered boy.
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June 8, 2012 8:34am
graham

vto, I think the problem is that once a party has been in power for more than about 4-5 years, the arrogance sets in. We saw this with Labour, certainly in their third term, and National are exhibiting the same symptoms.
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June 8, 2012 8:36am
Martin Gibson

Pete George: “Subversion is working, but only because National are too shut off (arrogant?) to see it and deal with it.”

Well said Pete. Someone posted here a while ago about the reactionary techniques advocated to advance Marxism, and this is just more of that. Keep repeating the lie until it becomes acccepted fact

While we are just talking theories reactionism is tough to counter — the Greens can say whatever pops into their head and the media either don’t have the smarts to call bullshit on it or else they do so well out of the reactionism that they pretend every opinion is as valid as the next which it clearly is not.

It is not until we have more problems addressed at community level that all these shrill “Angry child talking to oppressive parent” people can have a place to “put up or shut up”.

As most of them are good at talking but generally hopeless at constructive action this would sort the sheep out from the goats and provide a buffer against all the Che Guevara wannabes produced by New Zealand’s unions and watermelon youth groups.

Doesn’t make it anyless painful to listen to on the news every single friggin day though.
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June 8, 2012 8:38am
philu

manolo…is joke poaching on yr dusky-crime territory/gig…?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 8:39am
Michael Mckee

HJ
and more population comes from – families – yeah, Thank God for men and women and families.
The creators of more people, customers, clients, consumers, taxpayers, entrepreneurs, workers, businesspeople.

Now about that marriage thing….
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June 8, 2012 8:41am
labours a joke

still waiting for your explanation phool re the face eater who smokes pot…
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June 8, 2012 8:42am
philu

what the education debacle proves..

..is that austerity/cuts are not policy…they are ideology…

..and that this govt hasn’t got a fucken clue..

..and is just making it up as they go along..

..their fall is going to be mighty..their exile a long one..

..and if you think the opposition to the class-size increases got gnarly..

..you ain’t seen nothing yet….if nact just ram thru the asset-sales…

..that’s when you will see some real gnarl….

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 8:43am
kowtow

Global warming………
griff says the right say nanananana
I say the panicmongers say manyana manyana but the doom never happens.

Don’t panic,enjoy the interglacial.
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June 8, 2012 8:46am
Griff

labours a joke
Bet you he drinks the odd alcoholic beverage
wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_alcohol
Alcohol abuse has been shown to cause an 800% increased risk of psychotic disorders in men and a 300% increased risk of psychotic disorders in women which are not related to pre-existing psychiatric disorders. This is significantly higher than the increased risk of psychotic disorders seen from cannabis use making alcohol abuse a very significant cause of psychotic disorders.
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June 8, 2012 8:50am
labours a joke

of course he does..and I bet he eats the odd sausage as well.. ( we know he did that in the big house ). The filthy smelly hypocrite.
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June 8, 2012 8:53am
philu

(you are just a braying fool..kowtow..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/earth-tipping-point-study-in-nature-journal-predicts-disturbing-and-unpredictable-changes/

“..Earth is rapidly headed toward a catastrophic breakdown if humans don’t get their act together – according to an international group of scientists.

Writing Wednesday (June 6) in the journal Nature, the researchers warn that the world is headed toward a tipping point –

– marked by extinctions and unpredictable changes on a scale not seen since the glaciers retreated 12,000 years ago.

“There is a very high possibility that by the end of the century, the Earth is going to be a very different place,” study researcher Anthony Barnosky told LiveScience. Barnosky, a professor of integrative biology from the University of California, Berkeley –

– joined a group of 17 other scientists to warn that this new planet might not be a pleasant place to live…”

i mean..kow tow..what the fuck do you really know about this subject..?

..you just mindlessly recite/repeat fox-talking points..

..yr ignorances are like a giant supperating pustule sticking out of the middle of yr forehead…

..pig-ignorance on the hoof..you mindless fool..

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 8:54am
Monique Watson

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/06/mentally-ill-knighted.html

Big ups for John Kirwan. The start of a new era in the way the sufferers of mental illness are viewed?
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June 8, 2012 8:56am
Carlos

A new study says that Cannabis is more dangerous than tobacco.

“Cannabis smoking poses a 20-times greater risk of lung cancer per cigarette than tobacco smoking yet most users of the drug are unaware of its dangers, a report says.”

What is it with all these contradictory studies when it comes to health?
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June 8, 2012 8:57am
Keeping Stock

Chris Trotter has some sound advice for the Greens in his column today:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/trotter-be-careful-what-you-wish-for.html

And what’s with Martyn Bradbury’s uncalled-for and gratuitous reference to Trotter’s daughter in his feud with Imperator Fish? Bad form Martyn; as a father, you should know better…
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June 8, 2012 9:00am
philu

carlos..i saw that one yesterday…it was almost like an old school reefer-madness stories….repeating all the scary-theories…

..especially the one about ‘disturbed-teenagers..

..this is nearer the current thinking..

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/study-marijuana-linked-to-lower-mortality-rate-for-patients-with-psychotic-disorders/

“..The use of cannabis is associated with lower mortality risk in patients with schizophrenia and related psychotic disorders – according to a forthcoming study to be published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research. (Read the abstract of the study online here.)

An international team of investigators from the University of Maryland School of Medicine and Inje University in South Korea assessed the impact of a lifetime history substance use on mortality in 762 subjects with schizophrenia or related disorders.

Researchers reported, “[W]e observed a lower mortality risk-adjusted variable in cannabis-users compared to cannabis non-users – despite subjects having similar symptoms and anti-psychotic treatments.”

Authors speculated that the association between marijuana use and decreased mortality risk may be because “cannabis users may (be) higher functioning” –

– and because “cannabis itself may have some health benefits.”

They concluded: “To our knowledge, this is one of the first studies to examine the risk of mortality with cannabis and alcohol in people with PD (psychotic disorders).

This interesting finding of decreased mortality risk … in cannabis users – is a novel finding..”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 9:01am
Griff

kowtow (1,879) Says:

Global warming………
griff says the right say nanananana
I say the panicmongers say manyana manyana but the doom never happens.
Give links kowtow or its just farting
I like to think of comments like yours as sourced from wwwout your arse facts for all

http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/2012/04/13/american-heat-wave-2012-and-the-climate-change-tipping-point/

The warm temperatures also contributed to conditions that were favorable for severe thunderstorms and tornadoes. There were 223 preliminary tornado reports during March, a month that averages 80 tornadoes, according to NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center. The majority of these tornadoes occurred during a severe weather outbreak across the Ohio River Valley and Southeast in early March. The outbreak caused 40 deaths and total losses of $1.5 billion, making it the first billion-dollar disaster of 2012
A broader look at the unusual warmth that has marked the beginning of 2012 finds even more remarkable data. Not only was this March the warmest March in United States history, according to officials at NOAA, but the first three months of 2012 were also the warmest ever recorded in the lower 48 states – temperatures outside of Alaska and Hawaii were an unprecedented six degrees above normal over that three-month period.

An astonishing 15,000 warm temperature records were broken across the U.S. from January through March, an amount that NOAA calls “tremendously excessive.”
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June 8, 2012 9:03am
Lipo

Griff (2,236) Says:
June 8th, 2012 at 8:12 am

Returned they did not have it to start with
This is outright bullshit how can you claim land that you did not posses and then sold and later gave away
The Treaty bullshit must stop rewriting history to appease the bloody Maori has gone to far

Griff. You are 100% right and it really pisses me off. But you would be best to move on because no one else gives a shit and it is no use being pissed off when no change will happen
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June 8, 2012 9:04am
kowtow

Talking of immigration ,the diversity dividend is really paying off in the UK.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100163358/forced-marriage-will-be-a-problem-for-as-long-as-we-have-mass-migration/

Martyn Bradbury? The best approach with that noisy fool is to ignore him completly.
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June 8, 2012 9:06am
Michael Mckee

graham (756) Says:
June 8th, 2012 at 8:36 am

But the problem is that National can’t or won’t have time (at their little small incremental pace) to put the economy and nation right and the bludgers and waffly spenders of other peoples money will be in again.
And so the cycle goes on, The Labour willscrew the productive and appease the lazy and grasping and then National will come in again [promising to put it right and won’t and so it goes on and on.

Why, because they have poisoned the sheeple into the entitlement mentality and nurtured their dependence on nanny state instead of themselves and their families and whanu.

Where is National in clearly stating the nation’s over spending outside it’s income is unacceptable just like in a family and using examples that people can understand and grasp?
The mantra of $250 million a week is an abstract slogan worht nothing to people on $0-$50k

Where is National in calling people to achieve and grow in their lives and setting the environment for them to do so?
Where is National in setting the example with their own caucus and actions in parliament and life?
Where is National in clearly closing down the quangos and other jobs for the boys?
Where is National in showing how accountable they are to the voter by making parliamentary services subject to the OIA?
Where is National in dealing to the waste in parliament and the little jaunts MP’s and Ministers use to spend our money for themselves and their mates?
Where is National in scrapping free flights for themselves past and present for their lifetimes after parliament?
Where is National in making sure all NZers get a pension like MP’s?
Where is National in making sure all NZers have a medical aid like theirs?
Where is National in leading the way in making sure our financial markets are properly regulated and offenders actually get hurt and punished?
Where is National in informing us about the nation’s income and expenses?
Where is National in stopping the double taxation on the productive with the decile system and not allowing the education monies to follow the child?
Where is National in informing us of our nations true exposure in benefits in the future?
Where is National in time capping all benefits?
Where is National in informing us of the risks we are taking with derivatives and other investments?
Where is National in putting in place a proper individual contribution national Super and phasing out the old unsustainable?
Where is National in simplyfying the tax regime and making all trusts accountable and transparent to stop rorting of the state system?

You add your own!

Nowhere, are they?
either way we are stuffed.
Labour and Labour lite masquerading as The National Party.
Troughers the lot of them.

Some days I think maybe a world wide smash crash economically is deserved to wake people up to the realities of living within your means and being responsible for yourselves both in families, cities, governments and in nations.
As this spending other peoples money and political largesse is a road to nowhere.

Raising the taxes on the productive and those who have put in the effort to grow themselves and their family, doesn’t grow a nations people it just allows them to defer growing up a little longer, if at all.
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June 8, 2012 9:07am
Longknives

“cannabis users may (be) higher functioning”

I can’t stop laughing….
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June 8, 2012 9:19am
David Garrett

The story in yesterday’s Herald about enhanced risk of lung cancer for chronic heavy dope smokers is nothing new…

Any yes, for the record, I enthusiastically embraced the “harmless” drug in my youth. One by one, me and all my mates stopped smoking it as it began to do bad things (paranoia etc.) to all of us. All of my mates except one, who kept on smoking all day every day…he died of lung cancer aged 36. Before he was admitted to hospital he was living in a hut in the bush with no power or water, but several guns…convinced that all of his fomer friends were out to get him.

I recall meeting an American shrink who was working in the psych ward at New Plymouth hospital when I lived down there some years ago…He said that every single youth who was admitted to his ward with acute pyschosis was also a chronic heavy dope user, often with no other drug. But that will all just be coincidence I suppose…

Have a big spliff for me Phool….
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June 8, 2012 9:24am
kowtow

griff
One doesn’t need to give links. We’ve lived with the doom mongering for at least 15 years now and bugger all has happened. The atolls haven’t been submerged by the ice free Arctic ,Antarctic, Greenland Ice shelf etc. The climate refugees have’t got here yet,despite Al Gores’ lies,the polar bears are doing fine thank you very much ,like I said manyana manyana.

And if you want a link that proves my point read this panic shit from a manyana scientist, a govt adviser no less and pay particular attention to the final paragraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/9312347/Hay-Festival-2012-Government-adviser-Bill-McGuire-says-global-warming-is-causing-earthquakes-and-landslides.html
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June 8, 2012 9:29am
kowtow

Treaty Complaint Industry.Here’s an excellent article with particular South Island relevance.

http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/212056/complaint-industry-still-rambles
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June 8, 2012 9:35am
labours a joke

“There was no indication the man who chewed off the face of a homeless man had a history of mental illness or was using drugs other than marijuana, the attacker’s girlfriend has said. ”

Comments please from the resident pot head / leech .

Still waiting Mr Ure. Give us some facts man. You always blow on about how good MJ is. Lost for words..eh ?
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June 8, 2012 9:37am
Ryan Sproull

“There was no indication the man who chewed off the face of a homeless man had a history of mental illness or was using drugs other than marijuana, the attacker’s girlfriend has said. ”

Sounds like he’s got a history of mental illness now.
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June 8, 2012 9:44am
Griff

Funny logic kowtow I fail to see any problems in the statement
“We are going to get climate chaos. Are we going to have geological havoc added to it? Climate change is already driving more earthquakes and giant landslides in some parts of the world.”
He described Alaska, where average winter temperatures have already risen by three degrees centigrade in the last half century,as “the canary in the cage”. Earthquakes and seismic shocks have increased there over recent decades as ice sheets have thinned,and landslides have become more frequent as permafrost biding rock to mountainsides has thawed.
the consequent impacts are beginning to be felt’

If the unusually warm weather in the USA continues a repeat of the 1930s dust bowl will happen
When it does I for one will laugh my head off at all you conservative nutjobs

By the way if you delete one word out of a posted comment you are attempting to change the meaning of the statement
I commented denial is from the CONSERVATIVE RIGHT not THE RIGHT
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June 8, 2012 9:54am
Scott Chris

The only reason dope smokers have to physically smoke dope it because it’s illegal.

If it were legal, you could buy THC spray and bypass the smoking completely.

Yet another reason why prohibition causes harm.
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June 8, 2012 9:57am
Fletch

In the wake of Obama’s same-sex marriage approval, Democrats have been switching parties.

It started out with Jo Ann Nardelli, a prominent Pennsylvania Democrat, and followed with Artur Davis from Alabama.

The defection of a prominent Pennsylvania Democrat to the Republican Party is raising some eyebrows.

Jo Ann Nardelli, a state committeewoman and founding president of the Blair County Federation of Democratic Women, has switched her political affiliation to the GOP, citing her Catholic faith and President Obama’s embrace of gay marriage as reasons.

During a press conference last week, Nardelli cited President Obama’s recent announcement in support of gay marriage as a central reason for her defection, endorsed Mitt Romney for president and changed her party registration to Republican, The Altoona Mirror reported.

“As the Democratic Party has taken the stand for same-sex marriage, then I must make a stand on my faith that marriage is between a man and a woman. God’s principles for life never change. His guidelines, given in Scripture, produce fruitful lives when you follow them,” Nardelli, a pro-life Democrat for more than 40 years, said at the Blair County Courthouse.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/29/penn-democratic-leader-defects-to-gop-cites-catholic-faith-as-reason/

Now, seven from Mississippi are switching as well.

Since January 2009, Mississippi Republican Party chairman Joe Nosef says more than 50 state and local Democrats have moved to the GOP.

Among those making the switch is Newton County Sheriff Jackie Knight.

“Their values and my values are totally different,” said Knight. “And I go as far as to say that, in my opinion, their values and most of the Democrats in Mississippi as far as this are concerned, values are different.”

“This is enough. We’ve gone too far. We’ve gone down the road of moral decay too far,” said Leake County Sheriff Greg Waggoner. “It’s time to stop it. It’s time to turn around and let’s go back together.”

“I would like to welcome these fine public servants to the Republican Party,” said Nosef. “They have realized what many other former Democrats have learned before them, there is no longer a place in the Mississippi Democratic Party for a conservative Democrat.”

Also switching parties are:
Jones County Justice Court Judge David Lyons
Jones County Constable Mitch Sumrall
Leake County Coroner Randolph Scott
Leake County Supervisor Tony Smith
Leake County Justice Court Judge Ken Adcock

Looks like Obama pushed the gay thing a bit too far…
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June 8, 2012 9:57am
Odakyu-sen

Kowtow wrote: “The left exploit it to boost immigration of third worlders and thereby destroy the host society with multiculturalism and excessive welfare spending on foreigners. The right exploit it to bring in immigrants and suppress wages.”

Your comments suggest that both the “left” and the “right” are against the working man. As you say, both the “left” and the “right” boost immigration (which suppresses wages).
Both the “left” and the “right” are anti-identity; they are both for immigration which allows New Zealand society to ignore the issue of population sustainability and inhibits the nation’s development of a stronger national identity (something that island nations will do rather rapidly if left alone).

So, if both the “left” and the “right” do harm to the worker, who could the worker turn to? Let me see…. Gotta be socialist, ’cause we have to keep the “right” under control. And it’s got to be nationalistic, ’cause we have to suppress the “international left”. I mean, we can’t have all those foreigners coming in and taking our jobs and changing our culture, now can we? Hmmmm, national AND socialist. I’ve got it: the “National Socialist Workers Party.” That’ll work. I wonder why no one’s thought of it before……..
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June 8, 2012 10:00am
Scott

Michael McKee at 9:07 AM. Where is National? Why Michael they are doing really important things like introducing gay marriage and gay adoption. I know it was a big part of their re-election campaign?

I would add – where is National on important issues for National voters like repealing the anti-smacking bill? National is truly labour light. Big on gays and nowhere to be found on restoring parental authority. If I wanted another Liberal party I would have just voted Labour. I was hoping that National would exhibit Conservative values. I have been sadly disappointed.
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June 8, 2012 10:00am
Scott Chris

Speaking of drugs, here’s an interesting story:

Te Whare Rongoa (the Medicine House) clinic, run by Kaitaia GP Cornelius van Dorp and his wife Anah, is claiming remarkable success in treating drug addictions with the African plant, iboga.

They say a single treatment typically has three effects – it causes a massive reduction in the symptoms of drug withdrawal, allowing relatively painless detoxification; there is a marked lowering in the desire to use drugs for a period of between a week and several months; and it can reportedly help drug users to understand and resolve the issues behind their addictive behaviour.
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June 8, 2012 10:02am
philu

“..I can’t stop laughing……”

that’s because you are just another mindless pisshead fool…knives..

..and garrett confesses that he can’t use pot ”cos he is ‘paranoid’…

..hilarious/brilliant..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 10:08am
philu

i’ve seen that at work..scott..the ibogaine treatment..

some friends of mine up north helped/sheltered a young man trying to kick smack..

..and cornelius helped him with those treatments…

..the (now ex)-addict told me that you still had to go thru it a bit…but nothing like usual..

..and especially considering the current sanctified state treatment is to control addicts by getting them hooked on a far worse drug than heroin..namely nazi-smack/methadone….

(how fucked is that…?..and brings to mind the historical facts that morphine was once hailed as a cure for opium addicts..

..and heroin as a cure for morphine addicts…go figure..!..)

..what cornelius is doing has had similar successes overseas…and should be fast-track-funded/trialled here..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 10:15am
nasska

While I can understand that false info & propaganda has led some people to consider marijuana as the root of all evil let’s get some balance to the story of the man who included faces in his diet. Last night ‘Put it away’ linked to an article quoting the girlfriend of the nutter: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7058151/Face-chewer-carried-Bible-and-Koran-says-girlfriend

In part of the interview she says….”They often read the Bible and the Koran together, and often watched a religious television programme in the mornings.”….

Religion & loopiness but marijuana use gets the blame…..who would have thought?
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June 8, 2012 10:20am
philu

correction..iboga..not ‘ibogaine’..doh..!..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 10:20am
dime

fast track funded?? sure. after we fast track treatments for people that didnt inflict their “illness” on themselves.
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June 8, 2012 10:22am
Pete George

The only reason dope smokers have to physically smoke dope is because…

…they choose to.
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June 8, 2012 10:24am
Fletch

Hitler finds out that Scott Walker won the Wisconsin recall election..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VC_ult6-Tb4
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June 8, 2012 10:27am
philu

(heh..!..i have been told that part of the resolution of the issues behind use/from taking iboga…

…is ‘visits from the ancestors’…(seriously..!..)

..(cornelius and the addict confirmed this for me..

..cornelius telling me that he felt if he had to ask people to take an unknown drug/treatment..he should take the drug himself first..(an attitude i admired..)

..and he looked me in the eye..and confirmed that yep..!..deceased-ancestors had turned up…

..whoar/spooky..!..eh..?..up for that..?..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 10:29am
Michael Mckee

Scott (959) Says:
June 8th, 2012 at 10:00 am

yeah needed a rant 🙂

I just see nothing meaningful being done on the economic front and the Labour and Watermelon troughers getting in and undoing it all and worse.

Sadly the reality is politics is about power and it’s exercise not what is right for the country.
We truly do get the MP’s we deserve as we vote for them.
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June 8, 2012 10:32am
philu

i see dime is as hooker-drunk/stupified as usual..

..ok einstein…end funding all alcoholism-programmes..eh..?

..go and stand with the other mindless-fools..over there..eh..?

..off ya go..!

..look..!..hookers..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 10:33am
Yvette

Monique Watson 8:56 – Thank you for the link
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June 8, 2012 10:36am
Griff

PG
I expect better from U

Vaporization is an alternative to burning (smoking) that avoids the production of irritating toxic and carcinogenic by-products by heating the material so its active compounds boil off into a vapor. No combustion occurs, so no smoke or taste of smoke is present. Vapor ideally contains virtually zero particulate matter or tar, and significantly lower concentrations of noxious gases such as carbon monoxide. Vaporizers contain various forms of extraction chambers including straight bore, venturi, or sequential venturi, and are made of materials such as metal or glass. The extracted vapor may be collected in a jar or inflatable bag, or inhaled directly through a hose or pipe. With little to no smoke produced and cooler temperatures, less material is required to achieve a given level of effect. Hence, the irritating and harmful effects of smoking are reduced as is secondhand smoke.

Of course such a implement is illegal if used for pot as are water pipes which have a similar effect
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June 8, 2012 10:36am
dime

alcohol is legal so they can have some help.

shit bag junkies can die. they never end up productive members of society. just scabs.
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June 8, 2012 10:41am
travellerev

So why is John Key really visiting Chancellor Merkel
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June 8, 2012 10:52am
Monique Watson

There are three kinds of pot-smoker – the occasional take it or leave it variety, another will praise the whole pot culture mythology, but not be a heavy user and the third are the pothead equivalent of alcoholics. And it does’t matter if it’s booze, pot, smack or food, if you think you need it you’re as good as dead, unless you can embrace moderation.
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June 8, 2012 10:52am
nasska

Monique Watson

Well said….moderation in all things is not a bad mantra to base a useful & enjoyable existence on.
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June 8, 2012 11:06am
philu

(todays’ best-of..so far..)

“…Show Us the Money…”

“…Why Elites Fail…”

“….U.N. rights chief calls for drone probe…”

“…Romney dodged the draft…”

“…Joseph Stiglitz:..The Price of Inequality and the Myth of Opportunity…”

“…U.S. Rejected 2005 Iranian Offer Ensuring No Nuclear Weapons…”

“…Monsanto Vs Nature: The Weeds Fight Back…”

“…JPMorgan: If This Is a Financial Fortress – Run For the Bunkers…”

“…Mitt Romney Patrols the Beach Near His House for Pot Smokers…”

“…Racism, fear and loathing in glorious Kiev ahead of Euro 2012…”

“…As its President dines with the Queen, Sri Lanka’s torture of its Tamils is revealed…”

“…Autism signs in fish ‘astonishing’…”

“…Jubilee workfare: A Dickensian tale brought to life…”

“…8 Insane Things Super-Rich People Spend Their Money On…” (photos..)

“…A Jungle Opera Burlesque Show In The Heart Of The Amazon…” (photos..)

“….Neil Patrick Harris – The Colbert Report – Full Episode Video…”

“…Michael Fassbender – The Daily Show With Jon Stewart – Full Episode Video…”

“…John Travolta Had Gay Relationship With His Pilot For Six Years – Former Assistant Claims…”

“…Earth Tipping Point Study In Nature Journal Predicts Disturbing And Unpredictable Changes..”

“…Greek Far-Right MP assaults female politicians on TV talkshow..”

“…A man who won’t forget Ray Bradbury..”

“…Morrissey’s retirement will be the perfect ending…”

“…Natural England has become a gopher of the landed classes | George Monbiot…”

“…Nintendo Wii U offers glimpses of next must-have for video gamers at E3…”

“..George Soros:..Germany must take control of the eurozone crisis – before it’s too late…”

“…Eurozone crisis live: Fitch hits Spain with 3-notch downgrade…”

the ak back benches show…(vid..)

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“..Day five of John Key’s grand European tour and he is cooling his heels in Hamburg till German Chancellor Angela Merkel is able to see him…”

“…Review: Lady Gaga at Vector…”

“…Asset-sales law ‘being rushed’ to dodge poll..”

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 11:07am
Pete George

Of course such a implement is illegal if used for pot as are water pipes which have a similar effect

Of course any use of pot is illegal. The fact that it is illegal is a separate issue. Those who smoke it, or use vapourisers, know it’s illegal so are taking a known risk. And they should also know that no matter how you ingest a drug there is a potential risk to one’s health and to one’s job opportunities.
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June 8, 2012 11:10am
philu

“..shit bag junkies can die. they never end up productive members of society..”

tell that to the many doctors who become hooked on whatever..and then clean up…

..(the hooker-addict pontificates..brilliant..!..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 11:10am
RightNow

Conclusion
Beyond 200 ppm, the Leckner curves indicate that there is a negligible change in
emissivity and hence a negligible change in forcing. That is: Above 200 ppm
atmospheric concentration of CO2 there is no increase in the greenhouse affect due
to CO2, and changes to human emissions of CO2 will have no affect on climate.

http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/agw-an-alternate-look-part-1-details-c.pdf

Wouldn’t that rip your nightie if you were convinced CO2 is causing catastrophic climate change?
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June 8, 2012 11:16am
hj

Michael Mckee (749) Says:
June 8th, 2012 at 8:41 am

HJ
and more population comes from – families – yeah, Thank God for men and women and families.
The creators of more people, customers, clients, consumers, taxpayers, entrepreneurs, workers, businesspeople.
……………………………………………..
that is only half the explanation because resources must feature in there, otherwise we would want to emulate Haiti?
When you look at NZ you see that 60% of job growth up to(?) was due to the property boom and you can relate that to space and quality of life and infrastructure, but that alone wont sustain us.
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June 8, 2012 11:25am
joana

Traveller..thanks.
PG I would say you would be about the only one here to say the Nats are in serious trouble..You mentioned Back Benchers the other day..There was zero support for Nikki Kay from the audience. That can’t be a good sign..a young , personable , female MP getting zero support in NZ’s largest city.
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June 8, 2012 11:33am
philu

you do/all know realise this whole dime-(early-penthouse) fantasy of being a rich businessman dripping hookers…

..is the product of the fevered imagination of a pimply-faced 19 yr old actite-on-campus virgin..(male..)

..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 11:35am
Manolo

With friends like him, who needs enemies? http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/231603-clinton-very-sorry-for-suggesting-extension-of-bush-tax-cuts
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June 8, 2012 11:52am
labours a joke

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8480528/gun-fired-at-policeman-in-auckland

yet another peaceful native.
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June 8, 2012 12:16pm
jaba

some bint from the UN moaning about the drone attacks being a violation of human rights .. BBC News just now
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June 8, 2012 12:22pm
Griff

right now love the word alternate
An unsupported view from a mining engineer as climate science. You really do amuse me with the “climate science ” that you find convincing
Other than his expertise in gold extraction I can find no reference to him on the web and no published papers in scientific litterateur

Still it takes so little to convinced those in the altieverse that it does not surprise me you would find him convincing
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June 8, 2012 12:51pm
Weihana

“Cannabis smoking poses a 20-times greater risk of lung cancer per cigarette than tobacco smoking yet most users of the drug are unaware of its dangers, a report says.”

Which actually means Cannabis is safer given that it is not generally consumed at the same rate as tobacco. Stoners can get high (very high) with much less than a whole cigarette while tobacco smokers might smoke a pack a day. Of course, if one wanted to be healthy then they could forego both drugs.

I note Scott Chris suggested legalization could lead to a spray but really, how realistic is that? Smokers can already get vaporizers but most choose not to either through laziness or a perception it’s not as good.
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June 8, 2012 1:02pm
kowtow

Can you eat faces in moderation?

Conflict of interest from our “representatives” and why there will never be a CGT.

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/59685/who-owns-all-homes-mps-own-all-homes-new-zealands-121-members-parliament-own-least-29#comment-689122
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June 8, 2012 1:05pm
Weihana

David Garrett,

Any yes, for the record, I enthusiastically embraced the “harmless” drug in my youth. One by one, me and all my mates stopped smoking it as it began to do bad things (paranoia etc.) to all of us.

Indeed, chronic abuse of a drug will lead to bad side effects. The problem with the debate about marijuana is that it is often a debate about whether it is harmful or not, as if a 100% safety guarantee was the only legitimate basis for legalization despite far more dangerous substances being legal despite their dangers.

The simple argument for legalization would be that it is a health issue, not a criminal issue, that should be dealt with as such and that we are better off having people like David Garrett be given the opportunity to grow out of youthful habits, rather than go through the criminal justice system, so as to enjoy a highly successful and distinguished political career. 😉
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June 8, 2012 1:14pm
publicwatchdog

THIS MINORITY NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IS PANICKING!

THIS MINORITY NATIONAL GOVERNMENT WANTS TO TRY AND RAILROAD THROUGH THE MIXED OWNERSHIP MODEL BILL (STATE ASSET SALE) NEXT WEEK UNDER URGENCY!!!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7062894/Asset-sales-law-being-rushed-to-dodge-poll

WE NEED TO CRANK UP THE PRESSURE TO HELP FORCE THE RESIGNATION OF DODGY JOHN BANKS SO THEY DON’T HAVE THE NUMBERS TO PASS THIS PRIVATISATION LEGISLATION FOR WHICH THEY HAVE NO MANDATE!

(National only has 59 out of 121 MPs. NO MAJORITY – NO MANDATE!
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

Do YOU want to OPPOSE state asset sales or STOP state asset sales?

Help force the RESIGNATION of DODGY John Banks to help STOP state asset sales!

If National don’t have the numbers – they can’t pass the Mixed Ownership Model Bill!

Will be getting the banners out on the streets of Epsom TODAY (Friday 8 June 2012) from 4pm – 6pm outside 60 Epsom Ave (Auckland Uni) Gate 4, Mt Eden!

Come along and help ‘hold John Bank’s feet to the fire’!

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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June 8, 2012 1:19pm
jaba

Penny not-so .. ACC?
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June 8, 2012 1:23pm
Pete George

some bint from the UN moaning about the drone attacks being a violation of human rights

They don’t exactly allow for reasonable legal process do they. Identification is pretty iffy. And killing a few innocents alongside the target punt isn’t that flash.

What was your point?
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June 8, 2012 1:34pm
labours a joke

“Can you eat faces in moderation?”

Why would you want to eat a face in moderation?
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June 8, 2012 1:42pm
Griff

Once jonno resigns epson will vote in Penny Tarnish the corrupt water stealing weirdo
Just like her overwhelming victory’s in previous elections
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June 8, 2012 1:44pm
RightNow

so griff, you’re saying he’s wrong?
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June 8, 2012 1:45pm
Longknives

Pete George-

Our RAF Bomber heroes in the 2nd World War didn’t concern themselves with such matters either- see Dresden and the Dambusters…

It was war- and war gets messy. To borrow a phrase from the old Commando comics “Take that Fritz”!
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June 8, 2012 1:47pm
philu

look..!..that knives is doing his young-fogey thing..again,..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 1:54pm
dime

lol yeah that its phil. you busted me. im 19. started here when i was 13. idiot.

interesting that there are a heap of junkie doctors out there. maybe youre confusing shortland street with reality 😉
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June 8, 2012 1:55pm
jaba

my point Pete is that the road side bombs and suicide bombers are pretty nasty but they are planted/carried by the bad guys so that’s alright aye .. no need for the UN to go after those pricks is there Pete?
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June 8, 2012 1:58pm
philu

i have never watched shortland st..so know not to what you refer…

..but you being pimply and 19…you’d watch it..eh..?

..but yes..a surprisingly high number of doctors get hooked…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 1:59pm
kowtow

labour a joke
nasska been talking about the face eater and anti religious @1020 Then @1106, “all things in moderation”.All things could include face eating and indeed religion. Bit of a throw away line,silly me.

Longknives…..not too bothered about Dresden either. Much has been made bythe anti crowd who willfully ignore that the city was an important communications hub and the bombing was part of the back up to a major Soviet assault.
That’s what happens when we “Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.”
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June 8, 2012 1:59pm
Longknives

Gott Im Himmel Philu!!
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June 8, 2012 2:00pm
dime

Dimes health kick came unstuck wed night. I was entertaining and got absolutely rat assed drunk. great night. downside – being smashed leads to poor food choices! maybe i should be a stoner..

lack of sleep also leads to shit house food choices lol

back on the wagon however. i have two more drinking nights planned in the next 11 weeks. lets see how we go!
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June 8, 2012 2:02pm
dime

does your son watch shortland street phil? he must look for role models somewhere?

usually id say thats the last thing a kid needs, watching that garbage and looking for role models. in your case though, not a bad thing.
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June 8, 2012 2:03pm
philu

no..he dosen’t watch any broadcast television…

..young people don’t…

..(tv execs should be packing-it…their audience is dying…and not being renewed..

..much like young people stopped listening to steam-radio..before their elders..

…this generation is giving tv the flick..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 2:08pm
dime

does he download tv shows at the library?

(sorry people, my work week is done. bored so ill play with the troll)
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June 8, 2012 2:25pm
philu

whereas a drunken hooker-addict..?

..aah..!..there’s a role-model…!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 8, 2012 2:29pm
TheContrarian

“National only has 59 out of 121 MPs. NO MAJORITY – NO MANDATE!”

FYI Penny – A political mandate is dictated by the winning of an election based on the policies you campaign on.
Having a minority number of seats does not effect the mandate.

I am sure you won’t care though.
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June 8, 2012 2:32pm
dime

phil – i dont have kids. when i do the hooker thing will be over. ill still drink but wont get totally smashed if they are around.

i will do things you never did though – go to work, teach right from wrong, wont use illegal drugs around them etc 😉
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June 8, 2012 2:38pm
David Garrett

So Penny…how are those protests against John Banks going? How many – other than you – turned up to the last one? How many – other than you – in TOTAL have turned up at these particular protests? Was Minto there? If not why not? He is as addicted to protesting as the phool is psychologically addicted to dak….If even he didnt turn up, what does that tell you?
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June 8, 2012 2:40pm
David Garrett

Dime: Please do modify your oldspeak…what you do, is enjoy the company of “sex workers”, an occupation which dates from 2003 or wherever it was that the clown from Christchurch decided that he would reform the world’s oldest profession, make it all legal, and everyone in “the sex industry” as it was henceforth to the known, would live happily ever after!

So no need for any guilt or embarrassment old son…in the Brave New World, “I’m off to spend a couple of hours with my favourite sex worker” should be a statement indistinguishable from “I’m off to have a few quiet ones at my favourite ale house”…Shouldn’t it?
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