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June 2, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 2 June 2012

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adze

A Yahoo! CSS consultant gives a talk on responding to internet trolls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ulNSlES1Fds
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June 2, 2012 6:33pm
Johnboy

I have often wondered when contemplating a nice, smooth, well rounded female bottom what the attraction would be for a chap contemplating the hairy arse of another bloke.

Sheep would be better really! 🙂
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June 2, 2012 6:35pm
bhudson

You homos need to accept that you are not normal.

Bereal, you are such an anachronism you can’t even grasp that all those who do not oppose gay adoption or marriage are not, themselves, gay.

But that doesn’t mean that homoism is right.

I think you are of far more value to the bottle you’re holding than to the rest of us on KB
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June 2, 2012 6:40pm
joana

How are things in Upper Hutt Johnboy or is it Wainui..
The Aussies seem to be linking gay marriage to polygamy but I haven’t read the detail yet..Labour was about to legalize polygamy before they were turfed out..There are bound to be these sorts of arrangments amongst muslims in NZ anyway.
Sixty per cent of muslim men in the UK do not work. They certainly seem to be able to pack on the pounds whilst on welfare.
All that halal tucker. Where is the Royal SPCA when you need them?
Getting back to gay marriage..it is certainly not the last frontier..there is always another frontier. It is really about children. Legally married people can adopt children. The next frontier is the legal age of sexual consent which is already 12/13 in some countries..rushing headlong after this , is the push to do away with the word paedophilia..which I am sure we all agree should be banned in favour of the euphemistic and tidier label , well easier to spell , minor attracted adults. My imagination can’t take me much further than this , well not tonight anyway , but rest assured there are many more imaginative types out there just wanting to push ahead to the final frontier.
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June 2, 2012 6:45pm
wat dabney

joana,

“A country wishing to only trade with us, has no need to buy our land.”

True, but on the other hand trade certainly can extend to buying land, and there is nothing inherently ominous about it: Kiwi firms buy land in other countries.

So you have to explain why we should be concerned about “China” buying land in NZ.

And of course, when you say “our” land, you are really talking about someone else’s land.
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June 2, 2012 6:48pm
Steve (North Shore)

adze @ 6.33

Nicole Sullivan did not mention who to respond to drug fucked train wreck trolls
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June 2, 2012 7:05pm
joana

You are starting to split hairs but I’ll try to reply..Previous Chinese officials statements re taking over NZ, the population difference , the military might of China, Chinese economic aggression which is well known world wide , for eg in Africa , the Pacific islands etc..A classic example I can give is that at the time of the 1998 riots in Jakarta, Chinese in Indonesia were 4 per cent of the population yet controlled 80 per cent of the wealth..our own very small land mass..the concern in China re feeding their population , the way the Tibetans are treated..etc I am not only against Chinese ownership but against all foreign ownership of food producing land..It does not make sense to me to be allowing foreigners to buy up , be they Chinese , German or American. We don’t want to be tenants in our own country but that is the future for many NZers. It is becoming a playground for the rich and famous.
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June 2, 2012 7:06pm
Steve (North Shore)

edit beat me:
‘how to respond’*
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June 2, 2012 7:10pm
nasska

The children had all been photographed and the teacher was trying to persuade them each to buy a copy of the group picture.

“Just think how nice it will be to look at it when you are all grown up and say, ‘There’s Jennifer; she’s a lawyer,’ or ‘That’s Michael, he’s a doctor.'”

A small voice at the back of the room rang out, “And there’s the teacher; …she’s dead.”
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June 2, 2012 8:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

A lot of respect shown for the slack arsed Teacher nasska

Karma is a bitch
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June 2, 2012 8:03pm
nasska

Steve (North Shore)

There may be 10% of the teaching profession who are truly inspirational, 10% are bloody awful & the great majority in the middle are dispirited, broken hacks instilling socialist crap into kids. They think themselves as on a level with doctors & lawyers yet act as cloth cap unionists.

They’re schizophrenic.
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June 2, 2012 8:11pm
Steve (North Shore)

The 10% ‘inspirationals’ are carrying the rest of the slack arsed dead lead.
The most useless Teachers are the Union supporting ones who would never hold down a job in the private sector. By private sector I mean the workers who pay TAX and not psuedoTAX that civil servants think they pay
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June 2, 2012 8:20pm
nasska

Being a government employee can seem a sweet racket but I pity the poor buggers sometimes. Imagine attending a workplace where the grey & mediocre rule, paper shuffling is the game & the clock moves in slow motion.

I might be poor & self employed but I have a great boss!
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June 2, 2012 8:27pm
Steve (North Shore)

When I enter any Govt/Council building the clock goes so fast it ain’t funny. 10 min preperation for morning coffee at 10am when they have not done any work.
4.30 closedown on Friday starts just after lunch break (2 hours). I would bore myself to death just watching the fuckin clock.
When the clock ticks over finish watch the bastards run with all of that energy suddenly found
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June 2, 2012 8:36pm
Griff

lord mayor Bishop Tamaki has said it could cost tens of millions of dollars, with most of the money coming from donations.

Dig deep poor people god via his servant Monsieur the president for life Tamiki Will need a large presidential residence
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June 2, 2012 8:36pm
philu

ah..!..there is that afrikaaner gay icon..steve..

..he lives in browns bay..

..along with all the other children of the corn…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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June 2, 2012 8:40pm
nasska

Long, long ago when PhilU was a boy the teacher was teaching the class about punctuation marks.

She asks Phil, “What do you need to finish a sentence?”

Phil replies, “Parole.”
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June 2, 2012 8:45pm
Steve (North Shore)

Desperate idiot has a guess to get attention.
North of the Harbour Bridge
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June 2, 2012 8:59pm
Keeping Stock

Phillip Ure said

did someone call him a racist honky…?

Phil has obviously changed his tune somewhat since 2005 when he said this:

phil u Says:
February 14th, 2005 at 9:57 am

kimble; finished licking your wounds have you? think your up to it for another go?
and that was the best you could do?

i’m all for voluntary outing kimble.

my name is phillip ure; i am an ex junkie (15 yrs clean of junk; still use pot), ex con (armed robbery of chemist shop whilst going through smack withdrawels), vegan,dpb supported sole dad(thanks), environmental/animal rights activist/supporter.

my lineage is irish, scots, welsh; filtered through five generations in this wonderful country. (did anyone see connolly last night, whoar!)

i have travelled/lived in aust, usa, europe, china/asia and other parts of the planet.

i loathe racists with an intensity that is visceral.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2005/02/tame_iti.html

Self-loathing’s not good Phil; change your ways!
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June 2, 2012 9:01pm
bhudson

nasska,

When she asked “What is a good way to start a sentence?”

Did Phil answer “Holding up a Chemist’s”?
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June 2, 2012 9:03pm
nasska

bhudson

Alas, there is no record of that question being asked.

Would have been prophetic!
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June 2, 2012 9:08pm
Northland Wahine

KS… I am visualizing his seizure this very moment.
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June 2, 2012 9:15pm
Keeping Stock

Thought you’d like it Northland Wahine 😉
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June 2, 2012 9:18pm
Leaping Jimmy

Should we tax the fuck out of the 1%?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/31/how-to-kickstart-uk-economy

If not, why not?

I must say I quite like Gary Hart, Owen Glen, Bob Jones, etc and it would be a shame to see any of them head overseas, but I personally don’t have any time for people like Fay, Richwhite, etc.

How do others feel?
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June 2, 2012 9:25pm
graham

Leaping Jimmy: I agree with the basic principle that the richer you are, the more tax you should pay. But screw the super-rich too much, and they will indeed head overseas. When Hollande won the elections in France and started talking about the 75% tax for income 1 million euros (figures from memory), the number of inquiries to real estate agents in London from seriously rich French started going up. If Hollande gets his way, the rich will leave France, taking their wealth with them.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot.
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June 2, 2012 9:32pm
bereal

i think that it now generally accepted that the more degenerate members of our society have
an interest in loosening societies morals in every which way that they can. Why ?
Because.

The more that they can have sicko practices accepted as OK then the more “normal”
their own deviant practices seem .

Right, bhudson ?
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June 2, 2012 9:58pm
publicwatchdog

Occupy Auckland was the first group/ organisation to ‘pick up the ball’ on the following ‘ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NEW ZEALAND’.

OCCUPY AUCKLAND (General Assembly 1/2/2012) SUPPORTS THE PRINCIPLE OF A DRAFT ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NEW ZEALAND [DRAFT DISCUSSION DOCUMENT ONLY]

1. Get our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework in place so NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.

2. Set up an NZ independent anti-corruption body tasked with educating the public and PREVENTING corruption.

3. Change NZ laws to ensure genuine transparency in the funding of candidates for elected public office and political parties at central government level.

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

6. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government elected representatives.

7. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Central Government staff responsible for property and procurement, (including the Ministry of Health), in order to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

8. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government staff, and Directors and staff employed by ‘Council-Controlled Organisations (CCOs) responsible for property and procurement.

9. Make it a lawful requirement for details of ‘contracts issued’ – including the name of the contractor; scope, term and value of the contract to be published in NZ Central Government Public Sector, and Local Government (Council), and ‘Council-Controlled Organisation (CCO) Annual Reports so that they are available for public scrutiny.

10. Make it a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Government, and Local Government public finances be undertaken to prove that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority. If not – then return public service provision to staff directly employed ‘in-house’ and cut out these private contractors who are effectively dependent on ‘corporate welfare’.

11. Legislate for a legally-enforcable ‘Code of Conduct’ for members of the NZ Judiciary, to ensure they are not ‘above the law’.

12. Ensure that ALL NZ Court proceedings are recorded, and audio records made available to parties who request them.

13. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ Judicial ‘Register of Interests’, to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

14. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists’ at Central Government Ministerial level.

15. Make it a lawful requirement at NZ Central and Local Government level for a ‘post-separation employment quarantine’ period from the time officials leave the public service to take up a similar role in the private sector. (Help stop the ‘revolving door’).

16. Make it a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central or Local Government level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnerships (PPPs).

17. Make it unlawful for politicians to knowingly misrepresent their policies prior to election at central or local government
level.

18. Make laws to protect individuals, NGOs and community-based organisations who are ‘whistleblowing’ against ‘conflicts of interest’ and corrupt practices at central and local government level and within the judiciary.

19. Legislate to help stop ‘State Capture’, a form of ‘grand corruption’ arguably endemic in NZ – where vested interests get their way at the ‘policy level’ before legislation is passed which serves their interests.

[Feedback to Occupy Auckland can be sent c/- Penny Bright waterpressure@gmail.com to assist further debate/discussion/workshopping ]

______________________________________________________________________________________________

Interesting to see the traction that has been building this year on a number of these points.

Good to see both Cameron Slater and David Farrar support an NZ ‘Independent Commission Against Corruption’.

(Petition forms supporting an NZ ‘Independent Commission Against Corruption’ can be downloaded from http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com )

Cheers!

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
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June 2, 2012 10:01pm
Northland Wahine

Tariana wants us to wag our finger and toot our horns at smokers in cars with kids. Seriously, if you are able to drive, notice the driver of another car is smoking and their passengers are children, toot and wag your finger, chances are your a bloody hazard on the road.
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June 2, 2012 10:07pm

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