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wiseowl

PG 8.52am.
‘Anything that attracts votes is all that counts’

After a hard days work.

No-one has challenged this?

Dunne is the master at this. Cling on to something that will get that seat back. MMP sucks.
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June 25, 2012 6:19pm
big bruv

Ah..the NZ national rugby team, one of my favourite topics. Let’s have a look at some of the commonly held misconceptions.

1. “The All Blacks are world famous”. Utter rubbish, outside of the top five Rugby playing nations and apart from one or two places in Europe the rest of the world has never heard of them.

2. “People in Aussie, the UK and Europe love the Haka and understand the importance of the dance”. Again this is bullshit, most people overseas think it is hilarious and irrelevant to the game.

3. “The All Blacks are well respected overseas”. More lies, in the few countries who take an interest in the game the NZ team are seen as rude, arrogant, disrespectful and cheats.

4. “Others marvel at the production line of NZ players”. Rubbish, most in the UK see the number of players the NZ team steal from the islands and wonder how NZ can get away with it.

5. “The home unions love the NZ team going to the UK because they always sell out the stadiums”. Once again this is not the case, the home unions sell out almost every game, the opponents are irrelevant most of the time.

6. “The NZRU deserve a bigger cut of the gate takings”, Bullshit, as per the answer to point 5 the NZ team do not draw greater crowds than the Brits get for their six nation games.
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June 25, 2012 6:31pm
Pete George

wise-owl: Cling on to something that will get that seat back.

Can you give any examples of Dunne seeking populist votes with deliberately provocative attention seeking stunts?
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June 25, 2012 6:33pm
philu

“..Can you give any examples of Dunne seeking populist votes with deliberately provocative attention seeking stunts?..”

his hair..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 25, 2012 6:34pm
wiseowl

I never said anything about ‘provocative attention seeking stunts’
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June 25, 2012 6:52pm
wiseowl

And I don’t think his hair is provocative ????
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June 25, 2012 6:53pm
David Garrett

Ah…here is “colin brewer”…or whatever his real name is…

Your hero Coddington has renounced and recanted her publication of the National Sex Offenders Index…now that she has married a liberal QC, she is beneath all that tawdry naming an shaming stuff…

But I digress…are you “Dennis” from Hawera? Resident in Tonga sometime between 1999 and 2003?
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June 25, 2012 6:54pm
philu

“..And I don’t think his hair is provocative ????..”

to the bald and balding it is…

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 25, 2012 6:59pm
Viking2

THEY COULDN’T GET THEIR CARBON TAX TO WORK SO HERE COMES THE NEXT TAXATION SYSTEM
Direct From the UN itself. They want to tax the interent.
(bit of a long post sorry)

The U.N.’s War on the Internet: Could the Web Lose?
June 23, 2012
http://www.WebProNews.com

THE U.N.’S WAR ON THE INTERNET
By: Abby Johnson | Staff Writer

Interview: The U.N. tax proposal is essentially “just a money grab”

A lot of speculation has been floating around about a proposal from the United Nations that could impose a global Internet tax on the world’s largest content providers. Based on leaked documents from the European Telecommunications Network Operators’ Association (ETNO) that are being made available at WCITleaks.org, the speculation is, in fact, true.

WATCH FULL VIDEO INTERVIEW HERE >>
http://www.webpronews.com/the-u-n-s-war-on-the-internet-could-the-web-lose-2012-06

Although the language is vague, the documents indicate that companies such as Google, Apple, Facebook, and others could be tremendously impacted. When the United Nation’s International Telecommunications Union (ITU) meets in December, the proposal, if implemented, would amend the existing telecommunications treaty, the International Telecommunications Regulations (ITR).

How would you react if the entire structure of the Internet changed? Would you still feel comfortable visiting your daily websites? Furthermore, what would it do to business and the economy? Please share your thoughts.

ETNO’s proposal calls for the “principle of sending party pays,” which, according to author and technology consultant Larry Downes, means that large content providers would be forced to pay fees, or a tax, linked to usage for the large amounts of bandwidth they use.

“This changes the whole structure of really how the Internet works and has worked successfully up until now,” he said.

Up until this point, the Internet has operated on an unmetered or peered traffic system meaning that all user traffic is treated the same. The new proposal, however, would imply that the bits that are transferred from a Google search, for example, to a user from another country would charge Google, explained Downes.

The last time the International Telecommunications Regulations was updated was in the 1980s. It began with the telegraph and was revised to include the telephone system, and now, the United Nations wants to amend it again to incorporate the Internet.

As Downes explained to us, the current version of the treaty deals with international long distance phone calls. In essence, the telephone carriers of the member countries in the United Nations set a price for the international long distance calls coming into their countries. For example, a call placed from the U.S. to France could cost a certain amount of money per minute, based on the rate that the carriers set.

ETNO’s proposal indicates that foreign countries want to impose this same type of arrangement for the Internet. Since the process is extremely secretive and the information obtained thus far is only available through leaked documents, the price range for such a tax is unknown. However, based on the costs of the telephone charges, analysts expect them to run into the billions of dollars.

“In the 1990s, the United States paid a net of $15 billion dollars,” Downes pointed out. “That is to say U.S. consumers paid $15 billion dollars to place long distance international phone calls more than what was paid on the other end for calls coming into the United States.”

Since the current proposal involves data and bandwidth, chances are, the rates would be much, much higher if the tax were implemented. What’s more, the majority of the large content providers are based in the United States, which, of course, means the tax would impact them the most.

While it seems that this specific proposal puts the United States against the rest of the world, Downes thinks the impact is much greater. He told us that it would not only be very harmful to U.S. companies, but he believes that it would also be harmful to developing countries and the Internet as a whole.

For example, if companies such as Google were taxed, these fees would translate over to consumers. It could result in Google increasing its ad rates and also being forced to cut off developing countries from which the tech giant wasn’t gaining anything in return.

“The net effect may be that some countries, particularly in the developing world, get cut off all together from the most valuable content,” explained Downes.

Based on this proposal, it appears that other countries are jealous of the U.S. and the technological developments it has made. Since the U.N. is looking to make some revisions to its telecommunications treaty, the assumption is that they are using this as an opportunity to get a piece of the pie, as the old saying goes.

“Frankly, the Europeans are concerned that most of the successful content-based businesses of the Internet are all in the United States,” said Downes. “They see this [proposal] as one way of kind of getting their pound of flesh out of the very successful Internet industry… it’s essentially just a money grab.”

“They see the U.N. as the opportunity to put that in the form of an international treaty, and therefore with the law behind it, make it easily collectible,” he added.

Another alarming aspect of these circumstances is that this is just one proposal. As mentioned earlier, these meetings and negotiations are done in secret, which leads observers to believe that there are other proposals as well. Since the ITU is looking to rewrite the ITRs, Downes and others familiar with the proceedings suspect that countries such as Iran, China, and Russia will push to have the new treaty require all content to pass through a national government gatekeeper.

“There are many countries, as I said, that are unhappy with the Internet… they are unhappy because the U.S. and developing nations are making the most money off it,” explained Downes. “Or, they’re unhappy because of the way in which information flows outside of the channels that they can control.”

“Whatever the reason, there are a lot of countries who have a lot of interest in making sure that the Internet does not continue to operate as successfully from our standpoint as it has,” he continued, “and they’re gonna do whatever they can to make that happen.”

What Downes is saying and what other news publications have indicated is that this proposal, and others that are not yet public, could be the first step in the United Nations attempting to govern the Internet. At this point, the Internet is governed by multi-stakeholder structure. The Internet Society, which is made up of several engineers, also plays a role in establishing protocols and, most recently, was involved in successfully rolling out IPv6. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) and the Worldwide Web Consortium are also involved in the governance and address issues like network and domain name administration. Through this process, the Internet has been able to evolve naturally and quickly respond to the ever-changing advancements in technology.

The White House, the State Department, and Congress have all expressed concern about this proposal and are working to raise awareness of the potential dangers it could pose since it would completely transform the existing and successful model of the Internet. Robert McDowell, a commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission, has been very outspoken on the issue and wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal in February warning of the dangers. In part, he wrote:

“Upending this model with a new regulatory treaty is likely to partition the Internet as some countries would inevitably choose to opt out. A balkanized Internet would be devastating to global free trade and national sovereignty. It would impair Internet growth most severely in the developing world but also globally as technologists are forced to seek bureaucratic permission to innovate and invest. This would also undermine the proliferation of new cross-border technologies, such as cloud computing.

A top-down, centralized, international regulatory overlay is antithetical to the architecture of the Net, which is a global network of networks without borders. No government, let alone an intergovernmental body, can make engineering and economic decisions in lightning-fast Internet time. Productivity, rising living standards and the spread of freedom everywhere, but especially in the developing world, would grind to a halt as engineering and business decisions become politically paralyzed within a global regulatory body.
Any attempts to expand intergovernmental powers over the Internet-no matter how incremental or seemingly innocuous-should be turned back. Modernization and reform can be constructive, but not if the end result is a new global bureaucracy that departs from the multi-stakeholder model. Enlightened nations should draw a line in the sand against new regulations while welcoming reform that could include a nonregulatory role for the ITU.”
Late last month, at a U.S. House committee meeting, members of Congress on both sides of the aisle and the White House expressed warnings of this initiative as well. During the hearing, Vint Cerf, the Chief Internet Evangelist at Google and who is also known as one of the fathers of the Internet, voiced his fears about the issue saying:

“As a result of these efforts, there is a strong possibility that this December the ITU will significantly amend the International Telecommunication Regulations – a multilateral treaty last revised in 1988 – in a way that authorizes increased ITU and member state control over the Internet. These proposals, if implemented, would change the foundational structure of the Internet that has historically led to unprecedented worldwide innovation and economic growth.”

“The open Internet has never been at a higher risk than it is now.”
This proposal and more than likely others are expected to be debated in December at the World Conference on International Telecommunications. Each of the 193 country members of the U.N. will have 1 vote to decide on a new treaty. Once the vote is taken, the treaty will go back to the individual countries for approval.

There are lots of speculations that the United States will not reach the two-thirds minimum requirement to ratify it. However, if this is the case, the U.S. could still face problems since it has global business relations with countries who will likely approve it.

Incidentally, just this week, new leaked documents confirm fears that repressive governments truly are hoping to see the December WCIT meetings result in U.N.-sanctioned technologies for surveillance of Internet communications, which could essentially authorize censorship of the Web. Russia, specifically, is proposing an amendment that would give U.N. member states “unrestricted public access to international telecommunication services and the unrestricted use of international telecommunications, except in cases where international telecommunication services are used for the purpose of interfering in the internal affairs or undermining the sovereignty, national security, territorial integrity and public safety of other States, or to divulge information of a sensitive nature.”

Eli Dourado, who is one of the two researchers at George Mason University that is running the WCITleaks site, wrote a blog post discussing these developments and stated that this current dispute is really a battle between all Internet users and their governments:

“Who benefits from increased ITU oversight of the Internet? Certainly not ordinary users in foreign countries, who would then be censored and spied upon by their governments with full international approval. The winners would be autocratic regimes, not their subjects.”
Also earlier this week, Rep. Mary Bono Mack introduced a bipartisan resolution that is especially critical of the U.N.’s seemingly growing initiative to govern the Internet. The goal of it is to unify efforts of opposition to the ITU’s endeavors. The House Energy and Commerce Committee is expected to approve it very soon.

If the U.N. really is attempting to take over the Internet, is the U.S. doing enough to stop it from happening? Or, is it doing all it can at this point? What do you think? Let us know.
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June 25, 2012 7:01pm
wiseowl

Dunnes stance on 1080 is a prime example of someone who knows nothing about the environment ,1080, the ramifications of losing this as a control mechanism and grabbing a populist stance.

Ohariu would do us a favour voting anyone else in.
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June 25, 2012 7:03pm
Pete George

Ok wise-owl, so it was just a general diss with nothing to back it up by the sound of things.
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June 25, 2012 7:03pm
Viking2

The Government wants Work and Income to cut the number of long-term beneficiaries on a working-age benefit by 30 per cent over five years, Prime Minister John Key has just announced.

That would see the number of people on working age benefits drop from 78,000 to 55,000 by 2017.

Now that’s an interesting challange especially as W&I don’t create a simgle job anywhere other than their own department.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10815417
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June 25, 2012 7:04pm
David Garrett

Big Bruv: Greetings sir…did you realise that some conspiracy theorist is opining that you and I are one and the same? (No, not the phool…he has different delusions)… I think he is “Dennis from Hawera” who was banned a while ago…but anyway, if “princetipytoe” (or something like that) refers to you as me, you will see him for what he is….another sad little man who has never achieved anything…like you know who…
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June 25, 2012 7:07pm
philu

“..[DPF: 30 demerits]..”

can i ask what for..?

i mean..garrett has been musing about hanging me…

..how does anything i said come anywhere near that..

..and the unstinting abuse i face..and you demerit me..?

..and nobody else..?

..phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 25, 2012 7:09pm
Monique Watson

There is one aspect that is obvious about the environment. It can’t be returned to the state it was in pre-European settlement. This is a futile leftie goal that means more resources are thrown at the problem than can ever engender a solution. That is one anti-1080 stance and the other is that farmers fear bovine TB.
Neither of these positions should rule out the ability of a community to decide for itself it poison should e dropped for better or worse.
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June 25, 2012 7:13pm
wiseowl

PG
So you agree with his stand on 1080?
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June 25, 2012 7:13pm
big bruv

David

And good evening to you Sir. I did notice that some deluded chap has decided that you and I are one and the same.

Normally I would have thought that kind of irrational thinking might be the work of a complete and utter nutter from Canterbury who works in demolition but it seems that mental illness is a lot more common than I had originally thought.

Mind you….given that there are a few who think that way, can I borrow your law degree for a month or so, I quite like the idea of having a crack at being a lawyer.
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June 25, 2012 7:14pm
big bruv

Phool

Have you reached 100 demerits yet?, I think all of us deserve a good long break from your trolling.
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June 25, 2012 7:15pm
David Garrett

Oh…poor phool…another 30 demerits closer to getting banned again…wudda wudda wudda…(It’s what I say to my cat before he is fed….with MEAT as cats are designed to be….)

Please feel free to join in chaps…I sense a meltdown close here…
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June 25, 2012 7:16pm
mikenmild

I see Big Bruv is out there hating the ABs again. He must have been really upset when they won the RWC.
On to what is undoubtedly the greatest sport in the world (though I prefer the No.2, cricket), I was much amused to see the poms bundled out of another tournament on penalties. This would appear to be their perennial fate.
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June 25, 2012 7:17pm
Steve (North Shore)

‘“..[DPF: 30 demerits]..”

can i ask what for..?’

I like that. This is the beginning of the end. It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen 🙂
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June 25, 2012 7:19pm
David Garrett

BB: Well two things there my boy…first is that if you were using my degree you would be guilty of “personation” which was one of the charges they originally brought against me…And secondly – and much more seriously – I have had problems with mental health myself…so it is not something I joke about…but then you know what they say…”Only the truly mad think they are perfectly OK”…

Yes chaps, draw the dots from that…I say I am fallible, frequently wrong, and have had problems with depression…others here….
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June 25, 2012 7:21pm
Steve (North Shore)

Wish DPF would update the Demerits (20th march) I want to know if I have any, and how to play my cards if I do
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June 25, 2012 7:23pm
big bruv

mikenmild

I was not upset when the NZ team (thanks to diabolical and inept referring) won the minor tournament that was the RWC, I was quite relieved given that had the NZ team lost there would have been disgraceful behaviour from their boorish and arrogant fans.
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June 25, 2012 7:23pm
philu

re the hanging-musing:..”..Apropos of nothing in particular…An effective drop for a 5′ 9″ inch middle aged male who had never done any physical work would be 6′ 8″..” said by garrett..

“..aw your such a cocksucking wee bitch philip ure..”..said by ‘joke’..

(second musing on hanging..”..How tall are you Phil? In feet and inches…. Your exact weight would be helpful too..”..said by garrett..

“..maybe the parasite has had a visit from WINZ today..”..said by joke..

“..You are a liar Ure…absolute pond scum. Parasite , scumbag , complete asshole. If I was DG I would have tracked you down by now and beaten you to a pulp…”..said by joke…

..what in my comment comes anywhere near that..?

..in fact..what can’t be mentioned..?

..is his not paying back the money a no go..?

..is mentioning tv3 garrett archives a no go..?

..is calling him an auto-eroticist a no go..?

..’cos that s all that is in that comment you demerited me for..

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 25, 2012 7:27pm
big bruv

David.

I can assure you I was not having a crack at those with mental health issues. I was talking about compete and utter nutters who should be locked up, thankfully most of them seem to reside in Canterbury and are attracted to demolition work.

Now, back to the matter of your Law Degree, if enough people do think we are the same person (oh, how you might wish you were as good looking as I am 🙂 ) then I reckon that I might get away with it for a few weeks. How about I give it a crack (you might need to lend me one or two suits) and we can split the income?
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June 25, 2012 7:28pm
big bruv

Phool

DPF does not hand out demerits to those who make a statement of fact.
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June 25, 2012 7:32pm
David Garrett

BB: I believe you might be a little more …ah..portly than me? I actually had my first ever custom made suit made when I was an MP… Hong Kong Tailor it’s true…but then apparently the Great Charlatan has used the same tailor for years…and whatever else you say about him, he always looks fairly smart…
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June 25, 2012 7:33pm
Steve (North Shore)

Can you rehabilitate drug Addicts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIDJQuEMdS8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RowVtHqpCc
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June 25, 2012 7:36pm
David Garrett

friends in different parts of the world say “Oh ..how can you stand that ignorant little [funny, they always assume he is small in stature] man rubbishing you so badly?”

My answer is a variation on “Whatever may happen in the future…I achieved something…that drug addled clown never achieved a thing”…It feels OK…

(Even if he’s right and the socialists repeal 3S…I got it into law…for however long…he just smoked 35 cones…)
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June 25, 2012 7:37pm
nasska

He’s not taking it well is he?
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June 25, 2012 7:39pm
Steve (North Shore)

Expect a vist from sonny boy phool soon
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June 25, 2012 7:42pm
princetipytoe

Cyber bullying is not only for teens – adults, too, can stoop very low.
A psychologist who specialises in the internet, Nate Gaunt, says online hate is alive and well in New Zealand.
People often do it because they can, he says, and New Zealand has as many offenders as anywhere.
Sometimes, because of the immediacy of the internet, they don’t have time to reflect about the consequences. And sometimes there is a sense of distance between the internet and the person and their victim.
“That means we’ll probably be a bit more willing to press the button than we would to say something out loud, there isn’t the same kind of fear of immediate retaliation,” he says.
Martin Cocker from Netsafe, an organisation that promotes cybersafety, also says because you can’t see the damage, bullying or nasty commenting tends to be extreme online.
“If there’s a newness to it the difference is the people who are doing it now – trolling – tend to be the more technically capable ones. Maybe in the past nerds wouldn’t have been so likely to be bullies but now nerds are the ones with the power.
“All the same tools that are making it convenient and fun to produce scrapbooks or videos about the family are also enabling bullies to be more vicious in their attacks.”
Blogger and political commentator David Farrar reckons the ability to post anonymously removes the shackles of responsibility, because anonymous people don’t have to worry about their name coming up in the google search engine.
Farrar set up the site Kiwiblog and blogs six to eight times a day, getting hundreds of comments a day.
“You do get some quite startling displays of sometimes visceral hatred online. What I’ve found unusual, too, is that sometimes I’ve met some of these people at drinks and they actually in real life can be quite mild-mannered, you know, they’re not a sort of psychotic axe-murderer.”
He has also had abuse aimed at him, including a couple of death threats over the years, one of which went to court, and a few years ago someone set up a different Kiwiblog site which was devoted to criticising him and the real site.
On his blog, he often finds the worst abuse after a thread has gone to 10 or 15 responses and the best way to stop it is to not engage or things can get out of hand.
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June 25, 2012 7:43pm
big bruv

David

Do not believe the vicious rumours you hear from those who do not know me and have never met me. Trust me when I tell you this, I am a bloody adonis, chicks love me. Extreme good looks can be as much of a curse as a blessing.

If you do have the same Tailor as Winston (how ironic that he does not support a Kiwi business) then I am sure that a couple of your suits would be fine.

I urge you to think about this David, with your suits and law degree and my good looks and charm we could make a mint.
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June 25, 2012 7:43pm
Steve (North Shore)

Any of Phool’s drug suppliers reading this better contact him quick – he is gonna need a fucking truckload
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June 25, 2012 7:45pm
David Garrett

BB: Most amusing sir…but as chance would have it, the clown who posted above you is the guy who thinks you and I are one…no doubt the proximity of these postings will increase his paranoia…

Where has the phool gone?? does anyone know how close he is to a very long ban?
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June 25, 2012 7:46pm
Northland Wahine

David… Does this mean I have to make two lemon meringue pies next time???
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June 25, 2012 7:48pm
big bruv

By my reckoning Phool must be on at least 80 demerits, one or two more minor meltdowns will see us all earn a well deserved break from him.
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June 25, 2012 7:52pm
Viking2

DG, John Key has got phil’s number and they are coming for him.

The Government wants Work and Income to cut the number of long-term beneficiaries on a working-age benefit by 30 per cent over five years, Prime Minister John Key has just announced.

That would see the number of people on working age benefits drop from 78,000 to 55,000 by 2017.

Now that’s an interesting challange especially as W&I don’t create a simgle job anywhere other than their own department.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10815417
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June 25, 2012 7:55pm
nasska

Two worms live on a golf course. The first worm says, “What kind of
day is it?”

The other worm says, “I don’t know, but I was just going up to check
it out.” So he starts up through the dirt.

At that moment, two lady golfers are walking along the fairway. The
first one says, “I gotta pee.”

Her friend says, “Well, it’s very early. There’s nobody else here. Do
it right here. Nobody will know.”

The first lady says, “You think so?”

Her friend says, “Yeah.”

She pulls down her panties, lifts up her little golf dress and
squats. She’s just about to commence when the worm (ptt!) pokes his
head up out of the grass right below her. She lets fly and he gets
soaked. He’s dripping wet as he goes back down through the dirt. He
goes up to the first worm, soaking wet. The first worm looks at him
and says, “Oh, it’s raining huh?”

The second worm says, “Not only is it raining, it’s raining so hard
the birds are building their nests upside-down!”
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June 25, 2012 8:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

‘Expect a vist from sonny boy phool soon’ @ 7.42

Nek Minnit @ 7.43 miniphool reacts
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June 25, 2012 8:03pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Not that it will stop anybody fantasising about Phil, what they might do to him, he to them and any other imaginative foray – all being very boring and clichéd of course – I shall mention the All Blacks.

They were rated on the front page of the Herald this morning, and more so to the eyes of those that watched the test. The Herald rated the lock Romano as top in the AB’s performance and so do I. In a game when many players excelled we saw a ball carrying tight forward get the team on the front foot. He was uncompromising, as tough as teak. Others will have read the ‘famous five’ as the Herald call them, but I would have added Smith – a winger (easily a centre) who runs straight. What advantage straight runners bring any team. They make it easier for the support to be with them, while still drawing in defenders.

Top marks for that performance. The maturity of the new players, their calmness under fire. We saw a team I think, if it were possible, to match and possibly out perform the World Cup winners at our tournament last year – the Abs. The player stocks are full and the AB’s steer down, as always, their opponents now and into the future.
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June 25, 2012 8:04pm
David Garrett

Nasska: Very good sir…

Wahine: why does this mean you have to bring TWO lemon meringue pies to the ranch?? (The one you brought was delicious btw…)
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June 25, 2012 8:06pm
princetipytoe

Ianupnorth 11.2.1.2

30 October 2011 at 6:36 pm

BB – you clearly do not have a single brain cell – you either cut costs, or, you put up prices, or, you stop flying unprofitable routes.

Why don’t you go back to cottaging big boy; it was far more pleasant here before you returned. Is your boyfriend Slater not missing you?

big bruv 11.2.1.3

30 October 2011 at 6:44 pm

RL

Do what ever you bloody well like, ban me if you want I do not give a toss. You always censor anybody who dares disagree with you anyway. Just stop pretending you guys are anything other than partisan hacks who cheer on command.

I had to laugh at your comment “this is not a place to say what you like”

So there you go, the real reason I came here was just to wind you lot up anyway, it is so easy given the pathetic nature of your party and your failed ideology.

Enjoy your long, long time on the opposition benches chaps.

[ You always censor anybody who dares disagree with you anyway. OK you asked for it. I disagree with you, so therefore you are permanently banned. Happy now? …RL]

[lprent: Added to the spam file at his own request. Daring a moderator to ban you is Darwin Award level of stupidity. Unfortunately it does not remove him from the genepool.

What is also kind of ironic is that unlike BB (who seems to have an ability to view everyone left of him as some kind of communist – ie everyone from right of centre to the anarchists), I don’t think that RL usually supports Labour. I’m going to be fascinated to find out in a few weeks who he will support if he is willing to say. ]

Colonial Viper 11.2.1.3.1

30 October 2011 at 6:50 pm

bye bye

KJT 11.2.1.3.2

30 October 2011 at 6:50 pm

Yeah. Bugger off. You don’t add anything sensible to the discussion.

felix 11.2.1.3.3

30 October 2011 at 6:51 pm

“So there you go, the real reason I came here was just to wind you lot up anyway”

How sad that you’ve utterly failed to achieve the sole aim of all that blather.

BLiP 11.2.1.3.4

31 October 2011 at 2:59 am

I’m not surprised big bruv disappeared up his own arse.

Deadly_NZ 11.2.1.4

30 October 2011 at 10:38 pm

What a fuckwit!

Ianupnorth 13

30 October 2011 at 6:21 pm

Big Bruv, you are a troll!
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June 25, 2012 8:07pm
David Garrett

Where is the phool? It’s about this time of an evening that he accuses all the rest of us of being drunks (while he fires up the 10th cone of the day)…where for art thou phool?
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June 25, 2012 8:09pm
Pauleastbay

Yep I knew D4J/ Edna/ fuck wit couldn’t help himself, well done BB and DG
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June 25, 2012 8:10pm
David Garrett

Crikey…that boy has “issues”” as they say now…(I always thought “problems” was a perfectly adequate word….but then I am from the provinces….)
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June 25, 2012 8:13pm
Pete George

Nostalgia-NZ – agreed, sounds like it was a top performance, pity it was the one ghame of the series I couldn’t watch. The makings of a top team but we can expect them to perform at the top every game – the second test is a reminder of that.

I always like them to win but i wouldn’t have minded if the Irish knowcked them over once, but they didn’t quite have it in them, and the lick didn’t go their way either, sometimes that can make the difference in a close game.
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June 25, 2012 8:14pm
renderer

So you can cut & paste princetipytoe. Big F—IN deal
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June 25, 2012 8:15pm
Pauleastbay

Pete

Why would’nt you have minded if the Irish had knock them over once?

They obviously weren’t good enogh to do so , so why would you want mediocrity to triumph?
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June 25, 2012 8:16pm
Northland Wahine

Well tiptoes seem to think you and BB are the same bloke! I thought a pie for each persona!
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June 25, 2012 8:18pm
Steve (North Shore)

‘Where is the phool? It’s about this time of an evening that he accuses all the rest of us of being drunks (while he fires up the 10th cone of the day)…where for art thou phool?’

He is putting his son to bed now David. Precious thing has to go to school tomorrow. Then the drug crazed leech can start his “WORK” for tomorrow’s ‘best of’
That’s after he drops miniphool off to school in the morning, then goes for the supplies – Tuesday tomorrow
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June 25, 2012 8:24pm
David Garrett

I have lost track…do we know who this clown is, or are we all just inspired guessing based on past language patterns?
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June 25, 2012 8:27pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Pete George

But what a team that lets a narrow victory inflict upon them as though wounded. The last count of seconds, then split seconds, the gunfighter’s time, from which they came home.
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June 25, 2012 8:28pm
big bruv

Steve.

Did we ever get an answer from Phool as to who looked after his kid on Saturday night whilst he was out breaking the law?
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June 25, 2012 8:29pm
Steve (North Shore)

Rugby – 2nd test. The Irish got away with being offside. The score did not reflect the play.
When the second to last field goal attemp was made, the fucking ref stood between the kicker and the posts! He must have known a drop goal was going to happen yes?
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June 25, 2012 8:31pm
renderer

BB
Ure demands answers from David Garret but cannot answer a simple question himself
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June 25, 2012 8:33pm
Griff

Gee Garrett you seem to attract nutjobs like shit attracts flys
I wondered if its your lightning wit prodigious intelligence or irrefutable arguments
Then I realised its not you its the sickos one claim to fame attacking a ex MP I guess it makes them famous by proxy in their tiny little minds.
Your stalkers seem to burn out pretty quick. most last a couple of weeks before their madness causes a meltdown
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June 25, 2012 8:34pm
nasska

David Garrett

For my money it can only be one of two. Both are batshit mad & are pretty much guaranteed to have a meltdown in the near future. Alternatively DPF might check the IP address against his alias logs if he thinks that someone is skirting a demerits ban.
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June 25, 2012 8:34pm
big bruv

renderer

That is Phools normal MO, the bludger has not answered a question posed of him on this site for years.

Although, I suspect he is answering quite a few questions from WINZ this week.
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June 25, 2012 8:36pm
Steve (North Shore)

Big bruv

Phool will never respond to that (to who looked after his kid on Saturday night whilst he was out breaking the law?)
He was breaking the law by being at that party unless he did not do what the rest of the stoners did.
And poor miniphool was home alone, 16 and without his mentor
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June 25, 2012 8:38pm
David Garrett

Griff: Yes…someone here coined the phrase Garrett Derangment Syndrome… GDS…defined as I recall as an unreasoning and irrational obsession with me…god knows why…I have readily admitted to my many failings… perhaps you can can cast some light on this strange phenomenon?

The phool seems to have gone quiet as he is 30 demerits closer to losing the only public forum he still has…
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June 25, 2012 8:39pm
big bruv

While it is clear that Edna is indeed D4J I am not sure that tipytoe is the same person.

D4J cannot go more than one paragraph without giving away the tell tale signs as to who the real author is, for a start, I have not seen tipytoe use the word “creep” as yet.
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June 25, 2012 8:40pm
Steve (North Shore)

Do you think Phool is having a little sook? a little cry before the final thermonuclear meltdown?
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June 25, 2012 8:41pm
David Garrett

I wonder how you would rationalise it to yourself…looking into the shaving mirror and saying (to yourself) ” I have been banned from every internet forum from frogblog to Kiwiblog…but there is nothing wrong with me…”

How would you deal with that I wonder?
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June 25, 2012 8:42pm
Griff

having another cone would solve the conundrum
and then there is the whole world is crazy except me
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June 25, 2012 8:50pm
nasska

big bruv

Just about everything ‘princetipytoe’ has put up in the way of comments has been cut & paste from somewhere. We may not have seen much original from him other than the rants that included your name the other night.

We’ll get an indication soon….it can’t be far away from full moon.
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June 25, 2012 8:51pm
Steve (North Shore)

Phark, if he gets banned from Kiwiblog the nobody will talk to him on the top net blogs in NZ.
Red Blert, Stranded, WhaleOil, Frog is a place he does not go. Oh Phool, my heart fucking bleeds.
You may have no place to go
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June 25, 2012 8:52pm
Steve (North Shore)

8 days away nasska, some start early
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June 25, 2012 8:54pm
Griff

That cut and past at June 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm I would be willing to bet he commented on the same thread
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June 25, 2012 8:55pm
Nostradamus

Steve: but where will Phool post his worst-of list each day – apart from his world-leading blog that no one reads? 🙂
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June 25, 2012 8:59pm
nasska

Steve (North Shore)

Shame! You failed to mention the other top ranking NZ blog that everyone goes to.

Don’t tell me no one has mentioned “whoar” to you 🙂
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June 25, 2012 8:59pm
big bruv

nasska

I see, well if tipytoes did rant like that then it will be D4J.

Still, it is nothing to worry about, he is miles from the mark.
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June 25, 2012 9:00pm
Viking2

Dotcom not alone. FBI and the Pommie Gaovt. do the same to Uni Student.

The unlikely poster boy for a culture war: how a knock on the door changed film fan Richard’s life forever
James Ball
June 25, 2012 – 11:21AM

Richard O’Dwyer, with Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales.

Fighting against extradition … Richard O’Dwyer, left, pictured with his supporter, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales. Photo: @richardasaurus

Case against Richard an outrage, says Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales

Richard O’Dwyer, a 22-year-old undergraduate studying multimedia in Sheffield, northern England, rose uncharacteristically early for a student on 29 November 2010, in preparation for a lecture later that morning. So the knock on the door of his small hall of residence room before 7am didn’t wake him – but he was far from prepared for what would come next.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-unlikely-poster-boy-for-a-culture-war-how-a-knock-on-the-door-changed-film-fan-richards-life-forever-20120625-20xcf.html#ixzz1ynIQvvPc
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June 25, 2012 9:05pm
big bruv

I still want DPF to post the emails that D4J sent him during the infamous Peter Davis thread melt down.
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June 25, 2012 9:08pm
renderer

When ure said he had to feed the animals @5:40 did he mean the cat, the dogs, young ure or all four?
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June 25, 2012 9:09pm
Steve (North Shore)

The other top blog is WhaleOil nasska. whoar would be a top blog if the whore linked back to Kiwiblog or WhaleOil, or many other blogs. If he ever does, it is just a snide remark.

Been very quiet from him, just checking measurements?
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June 25, 2012 9:09pm
nasska

big bruv

That was one memorable meltdown…..105 demerits worth in 22 minutes at a run rate of 5/min.

Surely an all time Kiwiblog record!
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June 25, 2012 9:23pm
Griff

Not being offensive to garret but his was pretty spectacular as well 😆
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June 25, 2012 9:28pm
big bruv

Ah yes Nasska, “thems was the good ol days”

I sometimes wish that DPF would let him back here again just to see how long it would take for him to be banned all over again.
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June 25, 2012 9:30pm
Steve (North Shore)

GTG, my family says I should do my fishing on the weekends, not Monday
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