General Debate 23 June 2012

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Keeping Stock

Guess what; Chinese immigrants can’t just fly their parents in at age 65 at get them on superannuation.

Yeah, we know that Winston said last week that that’s EXACTLY what the Chinese could do and were doing, but it seems that Winston and the actual truth are strangers to one another. John Armstrong his fisked him good and proper, and all power to him; it’s about time that Peters’ xenophobic bullshit was exposed.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/armstrong-on-peters.html
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June 23, 2012 8:07am
hmmokrightitis

Might want to check that link KS, shes a broken, on your page that is
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June 23, 2012 8:09am
Fletch

This would be funny if it wasn’t true – OK, it’s funny anyway 😆

The Obama Administration has started up an online “Gift Registry”, so that when people get married, guests can donate to the Obama re-election campaign instead of giving a present to the happy couple.

Seriously!

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/the-obama-event-registry?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

They must be sooo strapped for cash! Pandering for wedding and birthday money.

Who in their right mind is going to do this?
The man has no shame.
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June 23, 2012 8:13am
Keeping Stock

Cheers for that hmmo; all sorted now. It’s a bit early in the morning for brain and fingers to be coordinating 😀
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June 23, 2012 8:15am
Sofia

And when gays can marry they will so grateful to Obama …
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June 23, 2012 8:16am
hmmokrightitis

Welcome 🙂 Having the same problem myself: trying to get my head around presentation for conference at the moment; how is it, when Im supposed to be this “expert” on S T R A T E G Y that I have so much trouble spelling the damn word?

Mind you, for a funded week in a lovely warm part of Asia, close by the pool, I will learn 🙂
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June 23, 2012 8:18am
Manolo

How low can the White House sink? http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/activists-take-out-frustration-ronald-reagan_647733.html
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June 23, 2012 8:40am
scrubone

From the file of the completely insane
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/06/21/supreme-court-says-unions-cant-bill-non-members-for-political-spending/

Yes, it took the supreme court to say it.
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June 23, 2012 8:42am
scrubone

Oh, and I’m sure plenty of people will be interested in this
http://halfdone.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/the-brown-v-sperling-decision-in-full-if-you-want/
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June 23, 2012 8:44am
Joseph Carpenter

Keeping Stock is being dishonest. That’s not at all what Winston said, even the article you quoted said he was “technically correct” – i.e. he was 100% correct – yet more dishonesty. The fact is in NZ the only requirement for receiving National Superannuation on the same basis as a NZ citizen who lived, worked and paid taxes here 65 years, is being resident for a total of 10 years with 5 of those years after 50 years old – this being is the most liberal and generous entry criteria of any country in the world to the most generous non-contributory old age pension benefit scheme in the world. The criteria should damn well be reviewed after 36 years without change and only someone without NZ best interest at heart or a National Party shill would deny this.

And no I don’t support NZ First or Winston Peters – I think he’s corrupt lying venal scum – but on this he’s entirely right and it should be debated – not deflected to cover a supremely stupid pledge made by the current incumbent of the office of PM.
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June 23, 2012 8:45am
philu

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June 23, 2012 8:47am
Northland Wahine

Keeping Stock… Another common loop hole is they sponsor their parents to come here. Suddenly, they can no longer to afford to ‘honour’ their 2 year sponsorship, so the parents can either test eligibility for emergency benefit or sickness benefit under hardship grounds. And trust me, they do.

Of course there are genuine cases. There always are. However the system is open to abuse and abused it gets.

I’m waiting for Winston to click onto young mail order brides to pensioners for can collect the pension as a spouse and spend 6 months out of the country.

And no, I’m no fan of Winston either. However just because I think the man is a fool does not make everything he says, foolish.
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June 23, 2012 9:11am
Pete George

said he was “technically correct” – i.e. he was 100% correct

It is technically correct in referring, if only obliquely, to the requirement that to be eligible for superannuation, immigrants must have lived in NZ for at least 10 years, five of those since turning 50.

Peters’ statement was instead designed to leave the impression that the elderly parents of immigrants can simply swan around waiting for the day they turn 65 and the money rolls in.

The reality is that there is no plonking mum and dad on the next flight out of Beijing once one of them turns 65.

That doesn’t sound 100% to me, especially in the honesty department. Armstrong described it:
“The speech was not so much a dog whistle as a wolf howl for attention.”

A carefully crafted speech, technically, but deliberately dishonest in appearance.
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June 23, 2012 9:15am
Lee C

Joseph Carpenter – Inventory2 is many things to many people but dishonest is not one of them.

He may be mistaken, or even badly informed, but my instincts and his record suggest he has never been a dishonest blogger.

That’s why he remains on the true periphery of the ‘sphere. IMO It’s a badge of honour – he’s a ‘real’ blogger – not in the pay of anyone or part of anyone’s spin department, so show a bit of respect you naughty man.
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June 23, 2012 9:17am
Keeping Stock

Cheers for that Lee; the cheque’s in the mail; just kidding!

But what really annoyed me was the bit that the papers DIDN’T report (apologies in advance to DPF for rehashing one of my posts); check this out:

New Zealand First held its post-election conference at the weekend; and as 3 News reports, some things never change:

Speaking to the party’s annual convention in Palmerston North today, Mr Peters praised voters who sent his party back to parliament with eight MPs in last year’s election, following three years on the sidelines after a humiliating defeat in 2008 – a period in which, he says, the Labour-led opposition let National “get away with murder”.
“The first thing we had to do was to put some steel into the heart of the opposition, and the psychological impact of our return cannot be underestimated,” Mr Peters said.
He attacked the Government’s asset sales plans and sale of the Crafar family farms to a Chinese buyer, promising strict new restrictions on foreign land ownership and changes to immigrants’ entitlements if his party joins the next Government.
“A young couple from China … can bring in four elderly parents who don’t have to work here in the 10 years before they turn 65, yet they will all receive full New Zealand super,” Mr Peters said.

It’s interesting though the words that 3News deleted; watch the video on the One News website, and see and hear what Peters actually said where 3News has added the dots (our emphasis added):

“A young couple from China – this is not an attack on any race but it’s a fact – A young couple from China, where there is a limit on family size, can bring in four elderly parents who don’t have to work here in the 10 years before they turn 65, yet they will all receive full New Zealand super,”

We guess that we should cease to be surprised when Winston Peters chooses China for his example. After all, he’s already attacked the sale of the former Crafar farms to a Chinese consortium, and pitching his comments at a hypothetical Chinese target is the kind of stuff that Winston’s followers love and have come to expect. That it is blatant, obvious xenophobia simply underlines our distaste for Winston Peters.

I won’t link-whore again on this post, but if anyone wants to read the whole thing, it’s called Of leopards, spots and Winston Peters, and I’m sure it’s easily found.
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June 23, 2012 9:22am
philu

heh..!..peters is out-greening the greens on the nation..in his opposition to asset-sales..

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 23, 2012 9:37am
philu

.even blind freddy can see the asset sales program is not logical/rational economic-policy..

..it is just blind ideology…

..and key is leading national off a cliff..on this one…

..and the fall will be a long one…

..both in height..and length..

.and national backbenchers/those in swing seats should be getting very very nervous…

..’cos it’ll be bye-bye to them..

..phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 23, 2012 9:43am
TheContrarian

“How low can the White House sink?”

Dunno Manolo, Cheney and Rumsfeld set the bar pretty low.
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June 23, 2012 9:51am
hj

Land grabs: a global epidemic
I have spent the past two years investigating the global epidemic of land grabs for a book. Saudi sheikhs, private equity whizz-kids, Indian entrepreneurs and Chinese billionaires all believe, with financier George Soros, that “farmland is going to be one of the best investments of our time.”
http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/2012/06/12/land-grabs-a-global-epidemic
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June 23, 2012 9:56am
wat dabney

Thanks hj. For the lefties there is no such thing as property rights, and here we see the result.
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June 23, 2012 10:04am
hj

So your complaining that Peters speech ‘left the impression’ but the actual facts are sufficient for concern.

has Armstrong fisked the Savings Working Group who say that immigration has put up house prices, increased our deficit and diverted investment away from productive investment (“appears to have worked directly against us”)?
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June 23, 2012 10:10am
Pete George

DPF’s Herald column on manipulation of referendum timing has been picked up by The Standard.

Now, Farrar thinks that National will get away with this. Apparently, people won’t mind it if their government cynically tries to render their referendum pointless or cynically tries to minimise the turn-out. And, if they do, they will forget all about it by the 2014 election.

It’s not only National who may cynically use the (possible) referendum for their own political advantage. Greens and Labour are putting quite a bit of time and resources (taxpayer funded) into the petition, hoping for a referendum that they know can and will betoo late and ignored, like most CIR.

I detailed this yesterday: Green abuse of CIR could be more insidious.

I also don’t agree with cynical manipulation of timing of referenda, as suggested by Farrar.

This highlights again that what was purported to be Citizen’s Initiated Referenda was designed by cynical politicians to be toothless, and has been further abused by party manipulation and hijacking.

We (citizens) need more than ever to take ownership of how to harness the Citizen Voice, and design our own system of telling politicians what we think. It needs to be controlled by citizens, and ringfenced from parties. It needs to be far more responsive (I suggest a 2-3 month cycle). And it needs to be far more flexible – limiting to a single (often loaded) question can make a referendum a year or more later a farce.

CIR should be improved as a higher level of response, but we need better, faster, and not able to be abused by parties.
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June 23, 2012 10:13am
hj

Thanks Watt, you and the lefties are in cahoots here:

“Both in New Zealand and globally, the best of the leftwing tradition has always rejected small-minded nationalism, xenophobia and racism. In fact, leftists of an internationalist tradition have always favoured globalization and getting rid of national borders and barriers to migration. Progressive advocates of globalization of course do not defend a handful of rich imperialist countries, including New Zealand, dominating the world’s economy, but instead advocate an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit. ”
http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2012/02/guest-blog-post-john-moore-leftwing-xenophobia-in-new-zealand.html

In your world is there no such thing as the wiley fox and chicken situation Watt? The bottom line is that arable land equals survival.
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June 23, 2012 10:16am
krazykiwi

I think I’ve just become a republican. The throne’s flannel-eared, dithering heir apparent continues to bang the catastrophic global warming drum long after his thinking subjects woke up ceasing to believe.
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June 23, 2012 10:19am
Leaping Jimmy

I think I’ve just become a republican.

You should make that decision based on an analysis of the institution kk, not upon the characteristics of any particular holder or potential holder of the office. The fact that most republicans have already made that fundamental error shows how profoundly moronic the whole movement actually is.

Anyway, Charles will never be king, why do you think Liz has clung on so very long? She knows the score. If Charles ever got it she knows the monarchy’s toast. If William gets it, it’s only a 90% probability that the monarchy’s toast. (Actually the monarchy never will be toast since that’s where the anti-christ is going to come from and guess what, she’s not William, but that’s another story.)
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June 23, 2012 10:32am
philu

“..
krazykiwi (8,030) Says:
June 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 am

I think I’ve just become a republican…”

now..that’s funny..!..

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 23, 2012 10:36am
hj

“Seeking official advice on Peters’ claim, the Prime Minister was told that just under 3500 Chinese immigrants qualify for the pension – less than 0.6 per cent of the total on super and a long way off 22,000.”
………
I’d like to see that for myself since the government (ie establishment) is by its own admission “pro immigration”
Off the top of my head:
“we do an equilibrium analysis and find everyone benefits from immigration”
“immigrants don’t put up house prices, but expat kiwis do”
etc.
It looks at least as though left and right being on the same team the only player checking claims about immigration is NZ Firsts.
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June 23, 2012 10:38am
Manolo

The inimitable Christopher Hitchens said it all about Greenie Prince Charles: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2010/06/charles_prince_of_piffle.html
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June 23, 2012 10:39am
krazykiwi

LJ – Irrespective of any respect for the institution itself, I simply can’t stomach the thought of that idiot being the head of state. It’s not like there are too many alternatives.
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June 23, 2012 10:43am
Leaping Jimmy

Like I said kk, William will be installed in a few years. Charles will never be king.
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June 23, 2012 10:46am
Harriet

“….“farmland is going to be one of the best investments of our time.”…”

Why ? In just 70yrs time, the worlds population is going to be right back where it is now.

And don’t think the Chinese will add anything, as they are going to grow old before they become wealthy -that’s their demographics- and young chinese women as we know from stats in NZ, are about the biggest users of abortion services.
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June 23, 2012 10:49am
hj

peters has a point. If one dosen’t have a point and one wants to win one ignores it:

“Among policy and analytical circles in New Zealand there is a pretty high degree of enthusiasm for high levels of immigration. Some of that stems from the insights of literature on increasing returns to scale. Whatever the general global story, the actual productivity track record here in the wake of very strong inward migration is poor. In an Australian context, the Productivity Commission – hardly a hot-bed of xenophobia or populism – concluded that any benefits from migration to Australia were captured by migrants and there were few or no discernible economic benefits to Australians. And that was in a country already rich and successful and with materially higher national saving and domestic investment rates than those in NZ.”
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf
Government policies blamed for house prices
“Immigration and tax breaks for investment in residential property are being cited as the underlying causes of steep increases in the cost of housing over the past decade.
New Zealand now boasts one of the highest rates of home unaffordability in the world as a result of prices rising far faster than incomes, and the government’s Savings Working Group blames that squarely on the policies of successive governments.
Although “the favourable tax treatment of property investment” accounted for about 50% of house price increases between 2001 and 2007, the working group said, there was also strong evidence that rapid swings in immigration brought about price-rise “shocks”.
There was a sharp spike in immigration in 2001, 2002 and 2003 and, said working group committee member Dr Andrew Coleman, it appeared that property prices did not fall anywhere near as greatly when immigration fell again.
The report added that there was little evidence that immigration boosted local incomes. In fact, the need to build roads and schools meant that net migration contributed to the national deficit. ”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices
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June 23, 2012 10:53am
Leaping Jimmy

For the first time ever, and possibly for the only ever time, I actually approve of a Gween MP.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10814974

Kevin Hague’s actions on the ACC are extremely valid, in my view. Who the fuck does Smith and Collins think they are, that they feel able to deny those of us who have paid into this scheme all of our working lives, access to it if and when we need it? The management of ACC should be taken out the back and shot, the fucking traitors, for implementing that bonus scheme, which according to the departing CEO, came in around 3.5 years ago, just when Smith was starting his outrageous campaign to balance the ACC’s books by denying rightful claimants. (I don’t have a problem with balancing the books, I do have a problem in the way they have decided to go about it.) I think those two MPs actually forget who the fuck they work for and so do the ACC management.

Just in case anyone wonders, I have never made an ACC claim in my life and I do not have one underway and I am not planning to make one, either. I just think like I said, I’ve paid into it all my working life so IF I do have an accident I want my 80% of my last two years average salary for as long as I fucking need it and I don’t give a fuck if that makes the general scheme more expensive. When you have an institution like ACC, it has a DUTY to be just and righteous to its shareholders – us, which overrides every fucking thing, including the desires of Treasury, Cabinet, or any other set of arseholes who dare to imagine they can tell the people who have built the fucking thing to go to hell. Fuck you, you bastards. Who the fuck do you think you are.
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June 23, 2012 10:56am
hj

China buoys New Zealand tourism

Chinese drivers outnumber Kiwis 4:1
Chinese owned shops.
Chinese restaurants.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2012-06/22/content_15518413.htm

NZ’s tourism cash cow is going dry, says report
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10814636
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June 23, 2012 10:59am
HB

What does everyone think about the instruction to police to cut the number of arrests they make by 13%?

I think it may have the effect of people they can get away with stuff so overall behaviour worsens – see Queen Street drinking – when the liquor ban was enforced with arrests there were hardly any issues – police have moved to ‘warnings’ where the consequences are just having to pour your beer out – mayhem ensues!
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June 23, 2012 11:02am
Sofia

“There’s no way Prince Charles is the Antichrist. Satan can [will have to] do much better than that.”
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June 23, 2012 11:12am
Harriet

“…The report added that there was little evidence that immigration boosted local incomes….’

I read an artical in Australia that said rather bluntly about the demand for ‘work ready’ immigrants –

” If on the job training, working conditions, management practices and ‘experianced’ co-workers are so wonderful – then why are Australia’s ‘trained but unemployed’ being overlooked for immigrants that are just as inexperianced, or, due to language and cultural reasons, needing ‘on the job’ support and training that we are told, is too much of a cost on resources to employ Australia’s unemployed ? Professional employees are not what we are talking about, retail, hospitality and other services though, are.”
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June 23, 2012 11:12am
Leaping Jimmy

“There’s no way Prince Charles is the Antichrist. Satan can [will have to] do much better than that.”

I didn’t say Charles was, Sofia. Read what I said again.
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June 23, 2012 11:13am
Leaping Jimmy

This is quite a good mini series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVUU3p5iHMA&feature=relmfu

Ancient Knowledge Pt.1 Consciousness, Sacred Geometry, Cymatics, Illusion of Reality

Ancient Knowledge Pt.2 Fibonacci Sequence, Golden Ratio, Phi in Nature, DNA, Fingerprint of God

Ancient Knowledge Pt.3 Pyramids, Monuments & Megaliths, Ley Lines (Earth’s Energy Grid)

ncient Knowledge Pt.4 The Real Secret Of How The Pyramids Were Built & Coral Castle
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June 23, 2012 11:22am
Luc Hansen

More from the Kiwiblog fraternity’s favourite killer, proven liar George Zimmerman:

Zimmerman Interrogation Tapes Released
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Video and audiotapes have been released of Sanford, Florida, police officers interrogating George Zimmerman about his fatal shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin. The videos include Zimmerman reenacting the killing for officers at the murder scene one day after the slaying. In a video of a separate interrogation, Zimmerman makes two astounding claims: that Trayvon Martin, upon seeing that Zimmerman had a gun, did not retreat, but instead went ahead and said to Zimmerman, “You’re going to die.” Zimmerman also claims that after he shot Martin at close range, Martin looked up at him and said, “You got me.”

George Zimmerman: “When I shifted, my jacket came up and my shirt came up and exposed my firearm. And that’s when he said — he like sat up and looked and said, ’You’re going to die tonight, [expletive].’ And I felt him take one hand off my mouth and slide it down my chest. And I just pinched his arm, and I grabbed my gun, and I aimed it at him and fired one shot. He kind of sat back and said, ‘You got me,’ or ‘You got me,’ ‘You got it,’ something like that.”

Zimmerman was recently jailed for lying about his finances during his bond hearing. Trayvon Martin’s family has yet to respond directly to the new Zimmerman tapes. On Thursday, Martin’s parents were featured guests at the National Association of Black Journalists Convention in New Orleans. Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, talked about losing her son.

Sybrina Fulton: “This was our life. You know, this was my son. This was just not a news story and tomorrow it’s gone. I have to live with this the rest of my life.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/22/headlines#62210

I wonder if DPF, seeing he seems to approve of trial by polling, would consider running a poll asking what one would do if one was confronted by a gun-toting stalker: attack or run?
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June 23, 2012 11:27am
Scott Chris

The inimitable Christopher Hitchens said it all about Greenie Prince Charles

As usual, Hitchens takes an age to get to his point, and then doesn’t arrive. Easier just to say that Charles is the monarchical institution personified.
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June 23, 2012 11:31am
Leaping Jimmy

Easier just to say that Charles is the monarchical institution personified.

As I said above Scott people who analyse the monarchy based on who is in office miss the entire point of everything. From the way republicans comment in public and on blogs, it would seem however this is in fact how many republicans draw their conclusion.

If I was ever inclined to be a republican the very fact the movement is populated with such profound hillbillies would be enough to make me not want to be one, ever. Even if I really really hated the monarchy, I still wouldn’t want to be associated with morons who weren’t even clever enough to discern the difference between the institution and the inhabitant.
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June 23, 2012 11:43am
Monique Watson

Link on my blog page to Harvard Bus review interview of Prediction Markets author Don Thompson. Interesting commentary on the role of prediction Markets in business, and how they might play a role in defense and where they fail:

A way of raising financial knowledge in light of the current Super debate:

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/06/oracles-by-economist-don-thompson.html
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June 23, 2012 11:45am
hj

Armstrongs BS
“Seeking official advice on Peters’ claim, the Prime Minister was told that just under 3500* Chinese* immigrants qualify for the pension – less than 0.6 per cent of the total on super and a long way off 22,000.”
……………………….

“Peters told reporters there were 22,000 elderly immigrants from countries with no reciprocal pension agreement with New Zealand.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7118497/Key-backs-immigration-policy-over-super-claims

“Key this morning said the figure could be correct.”

why would he say that if he didn’t have an inkling?
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June 23, 2012 11:46am
Colville

Is charisma learned?
Stuff article comments started with slagging off Key so I thought I would comment back about the shebeast. Its fun. Ad your own bit 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/7158375/Can-charisma-be-learned
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June 23, 2012 11:48am
Steve (North Shore)

LJ @ 10.56

Totally agree. There are many thousands with legitimate claims who have been thrown on the scrap heap when ACC use a doggy specialist’s opinion. I am still fighting the bastards 3 years on.

I might ask my old case manager how much her bonus was
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June 23, 2012 12:00pm
Peter

I ventured over to FrogBlog. The blog just keeps getting better and better, and by better I, of course, mean funnier.

I’m glad they have chosen to bring some light relief to the Kiwi blogosphere. There is a silver haired gentleman taking some enviro-talkfest In Brazil very seriously indeed, although I might question if he’s taking the central issue seriously enough as he appears to have chosen to fly there in a giant, gas guzzling plane. I chuckled.

Nice work!
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June 23, 2012 12:04pm
Sofia

Leaping Jimmy – I didn’t say Charles was, Sofia. Read what I said again.

I really don’t need to read what you wrote again. I was just emphasising that Charles would be useless at even being the anti-Christ. It was good to see he made a reasonable job at reading the weather – gives him some possibilities when he isn’t king.
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June 23, 2012 12:31pm
wat dabney

Peter,

You’ll find that if you politely refute global warming with facts there then all your posts will start to quietly disappear. Only politically convenient lies from useful idiots are allowed onto the Green’s blog.
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June 23, 2012 12:32pm
hj

This is for you Watt;

http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2012/06/climate-change-36.html
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June 23, 2012 1:18pm
Viking2

Ah Disater is at Hand.
DPF has really upset Cactus Kate. So much so she has taken to falling off balconies. 😆

Falling Cactus puts man in hospital

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/7157035/Falling-cactus-puts-man-in-hospital

Kathy there’s no need to jump. He really does luv you ya know. 😮
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June 23, 2012 1:30pm
Ross12

One up for common sense

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/14020054/court-rules-in-favour-of-petrobras/
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June 23, 2012 1:31pm
Peter

Wat,

Perhaps it doesn’t fit with their finely honed self-parody.

Air New Zealand must surely have a picture of that Mr Hughes fellow on their “Top Customers” wall…..
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June 23, 2012 1:53pm
krazykiwi

When you hear politicians telling you how much of your money they’ll spend ‘creating jobs’, first check to confirm that their tongue is indeed forked, then read this: $9 Billion Subsidies For Solar, Wind Projects Created 910 Green Jobs.
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June 23, 2012 3:11pm
Monique Watson

Wow. One of my best traffic source search keywords for my blog for the past week is the phrase, “fuck in manure”.
Anybody else have that ?
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June 23, 2012 3:19pm
wat dabney

krazy,

The broader and perhaps more important point is that jobs are a cost, not a benefit. If politicians could say that “green” energy can produce the same amount of power with half the current number of jobs, that would be a positive.
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June 23, 2012 3:20pm
calendar girl

Auckland’s once-loved “NZ Herald” draws criticism these days for its journalistic standards. But one regular contributor never seems to attract the kind of questioning that I think he deserves – the cartoonist Emmerson. Many of his political contributions are rather weak, and often lacking in genuine humour. I’m well aware from the appreciation that he receives in some quarters that my view is not held universally, but I consider that the Herald’s readers (again!) deserve better.

Today’s effort is fairly representative of the problems that I have with Emmerson: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/news-cartoons/news/article.cfm?c_id=500814&objectid=10814943 . The guy can illustrate well enough, but his situations and textual comments are strained to the paint of being almost humourless:
– two sketches (relating to Govt Ministers) are embarrassingly stretched, and lack the necessary killer punch politically;
– one sketch is about an obtuse issue affecting Australian newspapers. (Is Emmerson an Australian, does anyone know? Over time a number of his sketches appear to be a bit Aussie-centric);
– one sketch seems contrived merely to drag in the All Blacks on test match day; again it’s forced “humour” rather than spontaneous.

It would be great if the Herald could return to its earlier tradition of cartoonists with a feel for the New Zealand psyche.
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June 23, 2012 3:31pm
nasska

Monique

I suspect that you may have unwittingly created a niche section of the blogosphere. The good news is that competition should be limited. 🙂
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June 23, 2012 3:33pm
krazykiwi

phil, if like you I had a life coloured by violent crime, drug dependency, theft of public resources, chronic indolence and perpetual self-promotion i’d probably out myself. Sadly though I’m just a hard working kiwi taxpayer, with a nice family, a future and hope. Not things you’d understand you see, so the promise of closer attention is a bit of a misnomer.
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June 23, 2012 4:10pm
Leaping Jimmy

Killuminati The Movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgaU_pANSYg&feature=relmfu
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June 23, 2012 4:21pm
Longknives

I see it’s tinfoil hat time again….
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June 23, 2012 4:27pm
Leaping Jimmy

You mean your inability to look at reality Longknives? Haven’t you heard of: eliminate the impossible, whatever’s left however improbable must be the case.

Give you another example. The pyramids. Analyse those. Impossible for them to be built with slaves in the time given. Just not possible. Period. But they exist don’t they. So they were built. So how. See my 11:22 for more on that issue.

But people like you prefer not to face those facts. People like you prefer not to be bothered by the impossible. So you make up some fairy tale as to how it happened and get back to your life believing that all is well, again. Sorry mate but to me, that’s just fucking nuts.
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June 23, 2012 4:41pm
mikenmild

Oh dear, the pyramids. Built by aliens, were they?
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June 23, 2012 4:51pm
Leaping Jimmy

Oh dear, the pyramids. Built by aliens, were they?

All is revealed re: that in my 11:22 mm. All you have to do is scroll up and click your mouse. I know that’s extremely arduous but when it comes to the safety of yourself and your family re: knowing what may or may not happen next in the world around us, you decide whether or not its worthwhile.

But it should be OK. After all, Hulun told us ages ago that we live in a benign strategic environment didn’t she? And you believe Hulun, don’t you, mm? And look at how correct she was. And look at how many people actually believed her at the time. And look at how few didn’t believe her. And look at who was right, based on actual history and facts. And look at who one of those people who didn’t believe her and said so at the time, was.
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June 23, 2012 4:58pm
philu

krazykiwi..putting the ‘mug’..in ‘smug’…

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 23, 2012 4:58pm
mikenmild

No, no more YouTube vids pointed out by LJ. You want to believe that the pyramid were built by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, fine. But internet rantings are not evidence.
As for the benign strategic environment, I’ve never subscribed to that view.
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June 23, 2012 4:59pm
Leaping Jimmy

internet rantings are not evidence

Quite agree mm so perhaps you should watch the movies if you want evidence.

The internet BTW is a library, nothing more, nothing less. Just because its on the internet, doesn’t make it true, or false. You seem a bit confused, that’s all. Hope that helps, but I doubt it.
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June 23, 2012 5:08pm
labours a joke

Wheres Graham. Im looking for that apology still and the hundy you owe me. Come on Graham…cough up…whats that you say? No evidence of offender being a ” peaceful native ” ? Well looky looky…what do we have here…

“AUCKLAND, June 23 NZN – The driver of an alleged stolen car fleeing police that crushed another car, injuring a woman, on Friday, has been remanded in custody.
Matthew Speck, 36, appeared in the Manukau District Court on Saturday on at least 20 charges, including failing to stop, receiving a stolen vehicle, reckless driving and the unlawful taking of a vehicle.”

…and from April 3rd 2012…

“Police are seeking Matthew Neil Speck, who is wanted for breaching his bail conditions.
An arrest warrant has been issued for fraud and drug charges. Speck is described as Maori, 36 years old, 1.72m (5ft 8in), of solid build with a copper complexion and shaved head.”
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June 23, 2012 5:10pm
labours a joke

..I’ll just flick ya my bank a/c details Graeme…next pay days fine…I know times are a bit tight for ya..
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June 23, 2012 5:15pm
Longknives

Jesus it didn’t take Lucy Lawless long. The self professed ‘Eco Warrior’ was pontificating to us all again on the news tonight…
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June 23, 2012 6:57pm
wat dabney

“Just because its on the internet, doesn’t make it true, or false. You seem a bit confused, that’s all. Hope that helps, but I doubt it.”

This from Jimmy, who has yet to find a conspiracy theory on the Internet that he didn’t believe.
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June 23, 2012 7:00pm
Longknives

Labours a Joke- That was rather easy money! There is a better chance of Black Caviar getting beaten tonight than there was of you losing that bet..
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June 23, 2012 7:00pm
Leaping Jimmy

This from Jimmy, who has yet to find a conspiracy theory on the Internet that he didn’t believe.

This from wat, who has never met me, never talked to me and has no idea what I believe.

One thing that disappoints me wat, is when people like you pretend your profound ignorance is wisdom. I don’t really care what you think in your own mind, but I do care that you spread your wrong-headedness around to the general population, for that only infects them with your ignorance.
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June 23, 2012 7:06pm
wat dabney

“This from wat, who has never met me, never talked to me and has no idea what I believe.”

Er, apart from all the stuff you post here, you mean?

Is that what you mean, Jimmy?
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June 23, 2012 7:16pm
labours a joke

too easy longknives..typical lefty apologist , all piss in wind. Show ’em the evidence and you are met with silence. Dont know how they sleep at night.
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June 23, 2012 7:37pm
nasska

A travel agent looked up from his desk to see an older lady
and an older gentleman peering in the shop window at the
posters of the glamorous destinations around the world.

The agent, having had an exceedingly profitable season,
seeing the dejected couple looking in the window was
inspired to a rare feeling of generosity.

He called them into his shop and said, “I bet that on your
pension you could never hope to have a holiday, so I am
sending you off to a fabulous resort at my expense, and
I won’t take no for an answer!”

He took them inside and asked his secretary to write two
flight tickets and to book a room in a five star hotel. They,
as expected, gladly accepted, and were on their way.

About a month later the little lady came in to his shop.

“And how did you like your holiday?” the travel agent
asked eagerly.

“The flight was exciting and the room was lovely,” she
said. “I’ve come to thank you. But, one thing puzzled me.”

“What would that be?” asked the travel agent.

“Who was that old guy I had to share the room with?”
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June 23, 2012 8:00pm
philu

i’m just off to the 2012 cannabis cup….soon..

..to sample/judge new zealands’ finest..

(it’s a tough job..etc..)

..(i’ll do a report/review tomorrow…)

..shall i have a couple for ya..?

..any messages..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 23, 2012 8:01pm
Luc Hansen

Cheers Phil, but I’d rather be judging D cups myself.
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June 23, 2012 8:08pm
nasska

Luc

You know they don’t suit you!
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June 23, 2012 8:12pm
Steve (North Shore)

‘i’m just off to the 2012 cannabis cup….soon..’
‘..any messages..?’

Yep, is it a one way ticket? You can fuck off anytime you like Phool
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June 23, 2012 8:16pm
Luc Hansen

True, nasska, they say more than a mouthful’s wasted!
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June 23, 2012 8:17pm
Steve (North Shore)

If you see a size D you might even get a root Luc,
Until then stay on the ORSM dot net
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June 23, 2012 8:20pm
Luc Hansen

Stevie, don’t worry, going on your predilections, I would say I get enough for you and me!
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June 23, 2012 8:24pm
Steve (North Shore)

You go to ORSM for both of us? Double dipping?
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June 23, 2012 8:26pm
big bruv

“i’m just off to the 2012 cannabis cup….soon..”

Hang on a moment you fucking parasite. You keep telling is that you cannot work because you have to be home to look after your kid. Given that you have just admitted that you are going out and leaving him alone then it is safe to assume we have caught you out telling another lie.
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June 23, 2012 8:35pm
labours a joke

Kids goin with him BB….prob knock over a pharamacy on the way home..
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June 23, 2012 8:40pm
Steve (North Shore)

Amazing that people don’t use the ‘big’ words when talking face to face. Must spend hours and hours searching for the words to use, and how to use it on a blog, to make yourself seem important.

Example:
Gidday how ya going?
v
Would you like to speak to me?
predilections fuck off
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June 23, 2012 8:42pm
big bruv

BTW…

If any of you ever moan about an Aussie or Pommy sporting commentator again I will refer you to tonights sickening Kiwi commentary of the rugby.

Is there anything more arrogant than an All Black fan and an All Black cheer leading commentary team?
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June 23, 2012 8:45pm
mikenmild

Yeah, it must be disappointing for you that the ABs win so often…
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June 23, 2012 9:39pm
graham

Congratulations, laj. You have manged to adeptly hit the nail right on the side with your lack of reasoning, as I shall now proceed to point out.

Your original statement was “more peaceful natives…”, based on a story which – you may possibly have noticed – didn’t actually mention what race the driver was. You assumed the driver was Maori, and I simply asked you on what you based that assumption, curious as to whether it might have been some inside knowledge, a mysterious sixth sense, or just out and out racism. As you offered no evidence to the contrary, I’m still picking the third option.

Funny thing is, most people with an IQ above that of a pot plant prefer to wait until the news report comes out before they start picking assumptions out of their butts. And again, these non-vegetative people who have descended the evolutionary scale sufficiently that their knuckles aren’t hairy also know enough to not to judge half a million people or so on the actions of one dork.

But, y’know, congratulations on your racist prediction being right. I’m impressed. No really, that has to be right up there with remembering to zip your trousers after you leave the toilet. Well done, you must be so proud.
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June 23, 2012 11:14pm
labours a joke

aww you leftys always wheel out the racist card. Its the sign of a loser. Thats you Graham..a loser. Goodnite Graham..dont forget , you owe me a hundy…double or nothing..theres sure to be another bro overnight to hit the headlines in tomorrows sunday news..it aint rocket science.
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June 23, 2012 11:21pm
big bruv

mikenmild

Is that a sign of the legendary All Black fan arrogance?

The fact that the NZ team wins so much just makes it all the more enjoyable when they are beaten, the day after a NZ team loss is the only time I listen to sports radio.

Oh well, at least we can get back to some half decent rugby this weekend with the re start of the super 15.
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June 24, 2012 6:39am
Griff

graham
In reading the original post the very fact that the offender comes from mangere gives you a 90.3%percent chance that the criminal was of pacific origin http://www.stats.govt.nz/Census/2006CensusHomePage/QuickStats/AboutAPlace/SnapShot.aspx?type=au&ParentID=1000002&ss=y&tab=Culturaldiversity&id=
Add in the crime statistics for of this demographic and I would happily give you 10 to one odds that any crime in mangere is committed by a poly
still think that saying a criminal from mangere is a poly is racist? Its not its a better than 10 to one certainty
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June 24, 2012 7:47am
graham

Can’t read your link there, Griff. But for starters, what part of Mangere are you talking about? Mangere Bridge? Mangere Central? Mangere East? I grew up in Mangere Bridge, and I’m as white as they come. So were my neighbours and most of my friends. Even now, you go to Kiwi Esplanade or some of the side roads off there, I don’t think you’ll see many brown faces.

None of which really matters. What matters is the answer to your question is yes. It is racist to just assume that a criminal from Mangere is Maori or Polynesian.
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