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June 18, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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graham

Say no more …
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June 18, 2012 12:13pm
Colville

DG, re: new cars. I disagree.
Went to buy the Missus a used car, were looking for something a couple of yrs old and didnt really care what it was. If we got an ex lease toyota it was 10% more expensive to buy new after we got a decent discount thru work (just had to be gst registered even tho we were not claiming the gst) and with the new car got a 5 yr warranty
Same when I got my Prado, 17% off retail and 5 yr unlimited km warranty and free services.
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June 18, 2012 12:15pm
graham

My father-in-law always appreciated the new Daimler that he got through the company every few years … 🙂
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June 18, 2012 12:18pm
David Garrett

Colville: Agreed, the five year warranty is a major plus…but with your Prado you might have got 17% off retail but you lost another 15% ish as you drove it out the door…

Anyway, it’s all academic for me…a classic Jaguar which sinks money but is a delight to drive, and “a $3000 jap heap as a “daily driver” until it dies and then get another one” are my transport arrangements…all totally useless without a licence though!!
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June 18, 2012 12:36pm
nasska

David Garrett

Did you ever follow through with the electric bike idea? Example http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/cycling/other-bikes/auction-484778344.htm
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June 18, 2012 12:43pm
kowtow

Gap year.

Some of you (if you have kids) have probably seen this before. It’s a hoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKFjWR7X5dU
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June 18, 2012 12:50pm
joana

Monique
More correctly it was called deep sleep therapy [DST ] which is prolonged drug induced sleep or continual narcosis. It originated with a Scottish Psychiatrist early last century. It became popular in Switzerland in the twenties then more popular in the US in the 50s and 60s. It is supposedly connected to the CIA programe MKULTRA. It was used in conjunction with ECT.
The Australian Chelmsford scandal Harry Bailey 1962-79. 26 people died at the Chelmsford Private Hospital. In the early 80s the Sydney Morning herald exposed this and there was a Royal Commission with possibly legal action by former patients.
In NZ , this took place at Cherry farm Hospital , Otago and Sunnyside Hospital CHCH , and possibly other places in the N.I.
Greg Hallett believes that Margaret Bazley was involved in this whilst working at Sunnyside as a psychiatric nurse.
The report Te Aiotanga, supposedly was the comphrensive report on our old psych hospitals..It was compiled after extensive interviews with ex patients , family members and ex staff members yet this therapy gets a one line mention. No definition of what it was , no comments from ex patients who experienced it , no record of death or injury and no list of which NZ hospitals used this it. I just find this to be a curious and glaring omission.
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June 18, 2012 12:53pm
princetipytoe

I paid $1500 for a Ford Fairmount GHAI, has 80.000 Ks on the clock and is like new.
Good on the gas, cruise control and drives like a new $40.000 car.
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June 18, 2012 12:54pm
wat dabney

I saw Russel Norman on the news last night, during a beat-up piece about asset sales.

His informed opinion was (and I shit you not): “Private companies are profit-making enterprises, so energy prices will probably rise after the sales.”

What?

Yes, once again Norman displays the economic beliefs of a ten year old child: which would be bad enough, but remember he is also campaigning to bring more and more of the economy under the political control of people just like himself.

He could have said something like: “Well, in a competitive market prices are competed down to the minimum profitable level – to the benefit of consumers – so it depends entirely on the competitve framework that’s operating.”
But no. He simply says “Private companies are profit-making enterprises, so energy prices will probably rise after the sales.”

Excuse me, but what a fucking dick.

And that’s not counting the fact that the state control he advocates was used by Labour to impose artificial price hikes; effectively introducing a highly regressive stealth tax which hit the poor hardest; or the fact that it is official Green policy to dramatically increase power prices anyway, by imposing expensive renewable generation.
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June 18, 2012 1:01pm
dime

wat – i also heard a sound bite where russel opines about the future! something to do with superannuation.. no comment about mining to help us get out of the current situation
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June 18, 2012 1:07pm
mikenmild

dime
As mining contributes less than 1% of GDP (about 5% in Australia), we’d need quite a lot of it to make any difference to the superannuation outlook.
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June 18, 2012 1:19pm
princetipytoe

Save power cost with several small nuclear power stations.
Nuclear power on air craft carriers or submarines do not need refuelling for years, give next to no pollution compared to the current NZ.
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June 18, 2012 1:21pm
labours a joke

“..but hey..!..what else is new..?..eh..?

..that’s what you do..eh..?
phillip ure whoar.co.nz”

Oh giant loser…remember when you point the finger.. there are 3 pointing right back at ya…
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June 18, 2012 1:23pm
Weihana

kowtow,

There are those who will riot and protest at anything ,the underclass who refuse to get off their bums and work and get ahead by dint of their own eforts.But no it’s always honkies fault.They are responsible for the looting ,murder and mayhem. Individual responsibility and the rule of law.

Are you aware that restrictive covenants were used in the US to restrict where black people could live and this was only outlawed in 1948? Los Angeles has a long history of segregation. Even after the Supreme Court’s ruling outlawing the practice of restricting real estate on the basis of race Los Angeles remained a highly segregated society. Blacks venturing out of their own neighbourhoods would routinely be subjected to police harassment and this distrust between the black community and law enforcement unsurprisingly culminated in the Watts Riots. Yet for some reason you expect black people in Los Angeles to have respect for law enforcement and that they only need “get off their bums and work”.

Of course today the Los Angeles police department has changed significantly along with social attitudes and urban demographics. However, your basic premise that riots are caused simply because some people have a bad attitude is crap. Even as attitudes on race have changed in the latter half of the 20th century the authorities have still implemented policies which have been harmful to the black community, the war on drugs perhaps most notable among them. The war on drugs has empowered gangs in black communities and has disproportionately targeted blacks who offend against such laws despite the fact that white people consume drugs just as much as anyone else.

It is so easy to fall back on the ideology of “individual responsibility” whilst ignoring the realities some people grow up with that are not shared amongst the entire population. These differing experiences result in differing attitudes amongst different communities. Whereas many whites might look at the Rodney King beating and regard the officers as just trying to enforce the law, many others regarded law enforcement in a different light, and for good reason. Because for many blacks law enforcement was the enemy, not merely enforcing rules to protect the community, but rather seeking to protect white people from black people. Right up until the 92 riots the vast majority of officers were white and resided outside city boundaries. It is unsurprising then that the inner city black communities did not identify with law enforcement as serving their interests.
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June 18, 2012 1:30pm
Paulus

I see in the Herald the tradesman who fly’s in fly’s out to work in Brisbane area, for the last 6 years, is intelligent enough whilst he and his wife are earning, that they have sent their daughters to good (private) boarding school and will support them through University.
GREAT – well done.
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June 18, 2012 1:37pm
bhudson

As mining contributes less than 1% of GDP (about 5% in Australia)…

@mikey,

So if we increased mining to the same % GDP as Aus, we would raise GDP by around $8bn per annum. And that is a bad thing?

Anti-growth = anti-employment
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June 18, 2012 1:40pm
dime

mike – so a 4% increase in GDP is about 6.5 billion??
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June 18, 2012 1:51pm
dime

Aussie – “The mining sector represents 10% of GDP”

Aussie GDP is 1.57 trillion?? according to wikipedia. thats estimated for 2012. holy shit lol
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June 18, 2012 1:53pm
kowtow

Weihana

Why spend so much time lecturing. This is a lot more succinct.

Race/Ethnicity 101

White man bad,black man good.
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June 18, 2012 1:54pm
Monique Watson

Thanks J
Wat. Totally agree. Just because he has charisma doesn’t mean he isn’t an economic retard. Or a cock for that matter. I have seen him speak and he is quite charismatic. Even Rb might have a hard time keeping from hi fiving him.
This makes me wary and auspicious of his motives. I have more respect for someone like Gareth Hughes who has more substance.
Mixed ownership would seem to be the most successful model as per Air NZ and Telecom.
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June 18, 2012 2:16pm
David Garrett

Monique: I have just re-joined the debate…are you talking about RUSSEL having charisma? Que? Tell me I have been working too hard and got it wrong….
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June 18, 2012 2:46pm
graham

I found this interesting. This 28-year-old woman, who by her own admission is ‘that go-to girl when you’re after a good night’ and ‘loves a wine to mark the middle of the week, a bottle (or two) of red on a Friday night, a Saturday afternoon session in the sun, a weekend bender, shots of tequila with strangers and casual G&Ts’ decided to voluntarily go on the wagon and give up booze for six weeks.

She wasn’t sure if she could actually make six weeks without alcohol – but she did. In her own words, ‘I’m pretty chuffed with proving to myself that great fun can be had without alcohol. I have saved lots of money and I forgot what a hangover feels like. There hasn’t been a day wasted feeling sorry for myself, apologising for the night before or craving strawberry milk and hot chips. Giving my body a chance to experience a dry life has put me in the best shape of my life – physically and mentally. Maybe I need to eat a teaspoon of cement, but thriving isn’t as easy when you’re dehydrated and depressed after a big night. I have much more motivation and I feel well.’

Now here comes the interesting bit.

‘So if life was all roses without alcohol why don’t I declare myself teetotal forever? I don’t like the idea of banning something from my life. I try my best to listen to my body and treat myself in a way that makes living feel good.

It makes me feel happy when I go wine tasting with my man friend. I love sharing a G&T in the sunshine with my flatmates. I enjoy breaking the ice with new people over a couple of glasses of pinot noir and popping a bottle of Moet with old friends.’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10813059
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June 18, 2012 2:50pm
thedavincimode

[whine font] … gimmee back my flag … gimmee back my flag …
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June 18, 2012 2:51pm
dime

wasnt it “gimme back my fwag”
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June 18, 2012 2:58pm
lilman

Talk about bullshit permiating the New Zealand way of thinking.

People protesting in the street about the rate rises,about how draconian councils forge and force on ordinary people costs to pay for feel good projects and healthy Green initiatives.
Rise up all and sundry ,fight the injustice and protect the value of personal responsibility against the enforced view of others.

But wait lets Not include those horrible rich prick polluting Dairy farmers.
Lets as a community force them to fence THEIR rivers, and plant the banks of THEIR streams at literally Thousands of dollars to the farmers ,those disgracefull bastards who bring in the largest wealth to the country. After all they can afford it,no marchng in the street for those who work the land,they make every New Zealander a victim in their quest to destroy our country at every turn.

Greenies make me want to puke.
Protesting rate rises by joe average make me want to cry.
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June 18, 2012 3:02pm
Manolo

The Frogs have completed their left-turn: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8485132/french-socialists-win-parliament-majority
Will all fall apart? You bet.
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June 18, 2012 3:03pm
Weihana

kowtow,

Why spend so much time lecturing. This is a lot more succinct.

Race/Ethnicity 101

White man bad,black man good.

Because that wasn’t the point I was making.

Somewhat of a chip on your shoulder I see. Black man keeping you down? 🙂
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June 18, 2012 3:20pm
graham

Some of Hollande’s policies.

Reject austerity and embrace “growth.” Hollande stresses he will end the current austerity efforts imposed by outgoing President Nicolas Sarkozy and the European Union (actually, France hasn’t cut spending at all – French government spending has grown every year from 2002 [€816 billion] to 2011 [€1.1 trillion].) If that’s austerity, can’t wait to see what Hollande will bring.

Hollande wants €20 billion in new spending over five years. He also proposes hiring 60,000 new teachers, 1,000 police a year, and addresses youth unemployment by creating 150,000 state-aided jobs.

Tax those rich pricks – 75 percent tax on incomes above €1 million, and creation of an additional 45% for additional income of €150,000 euros.

Reduce nuclear from 75 percent to 50 percent of France’s energy and replace it with other green energy sources (um, such as???).

Construction of 500,000 state ruled homes per year, including 150,000 social.

Restoration of retirement (paid by the State) at age 60 for those who have contributed more than 41 years.

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Hell, what are you worried about Manolo? How can it possibly go wrong?
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June 18, 2012 3:21pm
philu

you go hollande..!

..he is showing the way/what needs to be done..

..the red-tide rises…

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 3:29pm
kowtow

a red tide of debt,

and the Germans don’t like it.
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June 18, 2012 3:39pm
dime

so what do you do if youre earning over 1 million a year on france? try and get out???

what if youre business is based there?? i guess you can leave the money in the business and draw down once the socialist paradise collapses?

why would the french economy grow? wheres the incentive???
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June 18, 2012 3:39pm
F E Smith

I am always confused by people who describe a reduction in the size of an increase in spending as a ‘budget cut’. How is that possible, for an increase to be described as a ‘cut? Surely it is merely a smaller increase, yet we have even the Daily Telegraph describing smaller increases as ‘budget cuts’!

As Graham pointed out, the French have made no cuts at all! Yet Hollande wants to move away from the non-austerity that is in place? Weird.

I don’t get the move away from nuclear power though. I always thought it was a brilliant move by the French to have so much of it.
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June 18, 2012 3:41pm
philu

“..and the Germans don’t like it…”

as they say..fuck the germans…!

“..Spanish unemployment is at 25 percent — much higher in the country’s southern regions —

– and 50 percent among young people.

In one way or other, those figures—albeit not quite as high—are replicated across the Euro Zone, particularly in those countries that have sipped from Circe’s bailout cup: Ireland, Portugal, and Greece.

But if you are Josef Ackermann heading up the Deutsche Bank – you earned an 8 million Euro bonus in 2012 –

– because you successfully manipulated the past four years of economic meltdown to make the bank bigger and more powerful than it was before the 2008 crash.

In 2009 when people were losing their jobs their homes, and their pensions

– Deutsche Bank’s profits soared 67 percent –

– eventually raking in almost 8 billion Euros for 2011…”

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 3:45pm
Pete George

A proposed amendment to the Mixed Ownership Model has just been released, to change 51% voting rights to 51% crown ownership.

– the Crown must hold 51% of every class of shares in the company, as well as 51% of every class of the voting securities (which are voting shares and other securities with voting rights); and
– no person (other than the Crown) will be able to have relevant interests in more than 10% of any class of shares in the company or more than 10% of any class of the voting securities of the company

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/sop/government/2012/0042/latest/DLM4532913.html
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June 18, 2012 3:45pm
MT_Tinman

Monique, I’ve met Wussel. (I’m sure I’ll feel clean some time soon 🙁 )

You mean Charisma the horse?
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June 18, 2012 3:55pm
thedavincimode

lilman

I agree with your point about not levying ratepayers to fund the pixie initiatives of the silly melons that are completely un-related to the core roles of Councils. Although the lines tend to get a bit blurred. For example, Councils provide green acre recreational facilities, including sports fields, at the ratepayers’ expense. Nobody seems to complain about that, but plenty are happy to complain about looney len wanting to provide access to swimming pools free of charge. I don’t know if such facilties were ever included within the original mandates of those bodies but it comes as no surprise that they are generally accepted as such now given the propensity of elected officials to get free with someone else’s money.

Personally, I can’t see the difference in principle between free pools and free playing fields, so should the jafas switch to user pays for playing fields if they don’t make the pools free? Do that and it then raises the question about what to do with the parks and green spaces – pay an entry fee? Or just do away with these spaces altogether? One thing that can be said about that largesse however, is that across a region, a far greater proportion of the populace can benefit from recreational spaces than a parade or event directed specifically at one section of the community; like the expensive failed venture into soccer promotion with the Galaxy by that well qualified soccer entrepeneur Mike Lee of the ARC (that was), the Hamilton V8 Supercars fiasco, or Auckland’s celebration of homosexuality.

As for farmers though, I think that it’s perfectly reasonable to expect that when water passes through a farmer’s land, it leaves in pretty much the same condition that it arrived. I wouldn’t use a stream on my land as a rubbish dump and I would expect my upstream neighbour to think likewise. Of the odd farmer I’ve chatted to from time to time, I get the impression that my view is pretty consistent with mainstream farmer thinking so I believe that to suggest otherwise is actually doing farmers a dis-service.
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June 18, 2012 3:56pm
Scott Chris

Weihana

Why spend so much time lecturing. This is a lot more succinct.

Race/Ethnicity 101

White man bad,black man good.

Typically glib answer from the kind of person who refuses to examine an issue dispassionately.
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June 18, 2012 3:58pm
philu

and that rightwing/racist cow..maxine le pen….did not make it into parliament…

..sweet…!

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 4:02pm
Monique Watson

@DG. Ha ha. I’m not saying Russell is a Jesus Christ Superstar or even another David Lange whom I have also heard speak. however it is my impartial observation that RN does have a smegma oops smidgen of the personality attribute of charisma that bestows on him the ability to inspire devotion in others susceptible to his particular message. Many successful politicians have this particular personally trait to some degree.
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June 18, 2012 4:08pm
kowtow

snotty cris

a bit like your pathetic dig at immigants’ spelling this am?

I see the frogs dropped PR in the ’80’s and so 6.5 million French voters are ignored in the land ostensibly of egalite.Wait for them to get pissed off by continuing muslim immigration.
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June 18, 2012 4:18pm
hateworking_Call 0800PHAILURE

philu

Phil, re your comment at 3:45 pm. It seems to me that you’re just plucking stuff out of the air. It is well documented that it was social largesse that crippled these economies and hardly the machinations of Deutsche Bank. Anyway, what is your evidence for this accusation other than the fact that earnings went up? Have you undertaken an in-depth review of Deutsche Bank’s business?

Glad that Jerry lost the war and all that, but we need to move on.
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June 18, 2012 4:18pm
Monique Watson

Successful speakers always have more charisma than Mark Todd. In it’s fundamental form it is the ability to make members of the audience think the speaker is talking straight at them. I think that the Greens have become more successful due to the enlistment of RN. And remember it is a hallmark of charisma that those rational thinkers that are not susceptible to the charasmatics’ charm offensive wonder what all the fuss is about. To them the speaker seems to be nothing mr more than an ordinary person. But to all those enthralled by his charm the speaker is talking of the second coming.
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June 18, 2012 4:21pm
Manolo

The worst is yet to come: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-17-23-11-03
Egypt to change under the reactionary followers of the “religion of peace”.
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June 18, 2012 4:22pm
chiz

Oh dear. Anger over psychics fees. Psychics describing other psychics as fantasists!! They’re just as bad as Nigerian scammers.
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June 18, 2012 4:36pm
nasska

…”Psychics describing other psychics as fantasists!!”…..

I bet they didn’t see that coming!
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June 18, 2012 4:40pm
Longknives

Hang on- ‘Laughing Bear’ the American Indian isn’t allowed to charge for his ‘Psychic’ services but the ever-generous New Zealand taxpayer has to fork out wads of cash for Maori ‘Spiritual Cleansing’ on a weekly basis? Been to the opening of any Government building lately?
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June 18, 2012 5:07pm
Manolo

..but the ever-generous New Zealand taxpayer has to fork out wads of cash for Maori ‘Spiritual Cleansing’ on a weekly basis?

Don’t be ungrateful. Don’t you know Maori only charge a modest koha to feed the extended family? 🙂
Of course, the gullible government of the day always pays.
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June 18, 2012 6:08pm
Leaping Jimmy

Russia is, in a word, supplying Bashar Assad, his regime and his army, with the very weapons they may need for warding off Western and Arab air efforts to impose a no-fly zone over Syria, while at the same time enabling him to repel seaborne assaults by his foes from the Mediterranean.

Goody. While Putin is definitely not my favourite world leader, I’m bloody glad he’s telling Obama to go to hell over Syria.
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June 18, 2012 6:13pm
wat dabney

“I’m bloody glad he’s telling Obama to go to hell over Syria.”

By “Syria” you specifically mean the cruel, barbaric regime which controls the country.

Why would you be glad about its survival?
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June 18, 2012 6:15pm
Leaping Jimmy

By “Syria” you specifically mean the cruel, barbaric regime which controls the country.

Because as I’ve been saying for months wat, this is yet another Brzezhinsky special designed to expel the old leaders and install new ones who are much more cooperative toward the western alliance. This is not, repeat not, about the US pwotecting the Syrian people. It’s a completely obvious propaganda campaign from start to finish and the fact all the useful idiots are taken in yet again just like they were taken in by Libya just illustrates how truly stupid and naive some people are when it comes to geopolitical analysis.

Read the propaganda media examples this guy gives and look them up for yourself:

http://sjlendman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/washingtons-imperial-brinksmanship.html
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June 18, 2012 6:27pm
philu

rodriguez on tv3…!

i love rodriguez…!

..such cool songs..

..like i mean..really fucken good..!

..start with ‘sugarman’..and then move on..

..get yrslf there..!

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 6:33pm
wat dabney

Jimmy,

You seem to be falling into the trap of believing that native regimes automatically have some sort of legitimacy.

They don’t.

Governments have to be judged on the rights they respect, not on whether they are local boys or not. It doesn’t matter if it is Syrians or Martians planning the overthrow.
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June 18, 2012 6:35pm
labours a joke

WTF are you talkin about phool ?? Stoned again eh? Derelict.
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June 18, 2012 6:39pm
philu

wat..if you have just been accepting the ‘official’-story..you have been played..

just one fact to condsider:…

you know that massacre…?..supposedly done by assads’ troops..?

funny story:..those massacred were from minority sects that support assad..and until recently..had been protected by assads’ troops..(!)

..so..we are led to believe that assad butchered his own supporters..?

..there are as many lies around this one as there were around libya..

oh..!..did you see mccain come out over the weekend..and admit that that spontaneous-uprising in libya….was financed/armed by america..using mercenaries..?

..with mccain touting it as an example of a successful regime-change..

..(and of course those same mercenary forces now in syria..for the latest ‘spontaneous uprising’..)

i have links/evidence for all i say..should you need it..

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 6:46pm
philu

don’t worry joke..you wouldn’t ‘get it’..eh..?

..it’s not for the likes of you..eh..?

..you just ignore/carry on..eh..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 6:47pm
labours a joke

Idiot. Got the kitchen working overtime tonight ?
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June 18, 2012 6:54pm
slijmbal

I see the latest from our education experts on another fluff piece on Close Up is to ban publishing decile tables for schools.

The theory being that whites are avoiding lower decile schools. Ignoring the fact that it’s damn hard to tie that cause and effect together, if it was true doesn’t it tell you that parents want choice?
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June 18, 2012 7:14pm
graham

‘World leaders have welcomed the narrow election victory of Greece’s broadly pro-bailout New Democracy party and urged Athens to form a cabinet quickly.’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18482415

You go Greece!

Showing what needs to be done. The Greek people realise it’s time to stop living beyond their means.
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June 18, 2012 7:18pm
labours a joke

If you are white do you really want to send your kids to a brown school ? No you don’t. Its a fact of lfe. Similar sceniario..would you send your child to the same school phool sends his? No you wouldn’t.
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June 18, 2012 7:21pm
philu

and re yr chosen fake-name..(sic)…

..yes you would…if you ever did…

..(just another aspect of yr ‘not getting it’..eh..?..)

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 7:22pm
philu

animal-testing/vivisectionist scumbags…

..making their money from being cruel to animals…

..fucken curse them..!

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 7:28pm
labours a joke

Gota practise on something phool…coupla dogs..few cats no great hardship.
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June 18, 2012 7:30pm
philu

you illiterate dumbarse..

..you just ‘don’t get it’..on every level..

..go and play with yrslf..

..eh..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 18, 2012 7:32pm
labours a joke

Nothing wrong with slicing up a few animals for the greater good phool..look how far the human race has come thanks to milo and otis putting their paws up. Bloody good on ’em I say.
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June 18, 2012 7:36pm
mikenmild

Um LAJ, maybe not everyone is as racist as you assume.
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June 18, 2012 7:41pm
labours a joke

easy to throw the R word around Mikey…
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June 18, 2012 7:44pm
mikenmild

You were the one assuming people wouldn’t want to send their kids to a ‘brown’ school.
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June 18, 2012 7:55pm
nasska

Islam in Perspective:

What happens when a fly falls into a coffee cup?

The Englishman – leaves the cup and walks away.

The American – takes the fly out, and drinks the coffee.

The Japanese – drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no charge.

The Israeli – sells the coffee to the American and buys himself a new cup of coffee.

The Palestinian – blames the Israeli for the violent act of putting the fly in his coffee, asks the UN for aid, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Englishman, the American and the Japanese were all trying to explain to the Israeli that he was too aggressive.
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June 18, 2012 8:00pm
Colville

Damm…I just noticed sofia @ 8.34 someone sure pissed on her corflakes !

Simple fact is good teachers get jobs at good schools coz they can.

Naenae was devoid of a single teacher that gave a fuck when I was there. I taught a mate to do simple maths coz up until third for he couldnt add. He was a rather large rather violent chap which may have shaped his teachers thoughts, I was a rather large unviolent chap.
Given the choice between Naenae (decile 2) and Hutt (decile 9)why wouldnt ya give your kid bus fare?
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June 18, 2012 8:05pm
labours a joke

Its not being racist mikey…more realistic.
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June 18, 2012 8:06pm
Steve (North Shore)

Who is babysitting the resident shithead tonight? Nobody? Cool.
Maybe he got the messege: nobody cares.
Nobody cared yesterday
Nobody cared today
I doubt if anyone will care or give a rat’s arse tomorrow.

There will be an insult thrown back soon, but I don’t care – back on RIP
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June 18, 2012 8:28pm
Steve (North Shore)

Mike,
How come we never hear about the good Teachers who deserve some credit, and we never hear about the bad Teachers who should have their credibilty shot down in flames?
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June 18, 2012 8:33pm
Sofia

Colville – just noticed eh? – bit fucking slow – just write crap and not read anything after it?
You may have had the misfortune to be in a decile one school, assuming that was it’s equivalent when you were there, and found every teacher was useless.
I know at least one local decile one school where it is certainly not as you outline.
So it is your experience against mine.
But I am not the one turning it into a glib sweeping statement.
“someone sure pissed on her corflakes !” Yes, you did, fuckwit
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June 18, 2012 8:33pm
Tauhei Notts

Notes from this evening’s telephone chat with my friend from Moschato, which some of you might know is just two stops north of Piraeus on the metro.
New Democracy; thankfully my countrymen have seen sense.
That bloke we chatted with in the Paeroa pizza shop, when you were here just three months ago;
“He was murdered? Panagia mou!
Was it the maoris?”
I thought it was an interesting observation on our country’s racial attitudes that prompted that response from Costas.
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June 18, 2012 8:42pm
Scott Chris

Well well well, the diseased old fuck l.a.j. is dishing up his usual palate of bilious vomit. I wonder; does the nasty decrepit syphilitic ever have anything constructive to say? I mean, like ever!?

Mind you, his being the quintessential arse-hole probably explains his obsession with other men’s bottoms. Shows all the signs of repressed homosexuality. Prolly why he hates himself so much.
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June 18, 2012 8:46pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ooooh Sofia spitting the dummy.

Unfortunately some of us do not have the time to be hall monitor for 12 hours each day. We work and only get blog time ‘after’ work.
Civil Servants plague the blogs coz they have fuck all else to do. Are you a Servant of the TAXPAYER Sofia?
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June 18, 2012 8:48pm
Sofia

Steve – hall monitor? who would try to compete
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June 18, 2012 8:58pm
nasska

Tauhei Notts

On first look it is amazing that the innate violence of a section of our population should be so obvious to a visitor. Then it makes you realise that the human race succeeded because we developed a “sixth sense” enabling us to recognise & assess threats quickly & almost subconsciously.

I wonder how many others depart our shores, knowing what we in our politically correct shithole must never state lest we be accused of racism.
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June 18, 2012 9:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

Didn’t think you would answer the question Sofia, has someone taught you how to avoid answering by changing the subject?
Re read the last of my 8.48
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June 18, 2012 9:12pm
Colville

Sofia…my last post of the day..and sorry if I didnt haunt the thread awaitying your stunning post of 8.34 but I do have a life.. but why wouldnt you give the kid $2 for bus fare to go from a decile 2 to a decile 9? cheap investment really.
You could give em busfare to go to Silverstream to Scots to a decile 10 of course but that mightcost a dolar or two.

I do asume that the decile ranking is not based on neighbourhood but parents incomes? So decile ranking is something that can be changed by a school if they attract a better class of …..?

Am I wrong?
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June 18, 2012 10:13pm
Michael Mckee

Colville
I don’t think it is a better class of parents/families at all, they are just not as well off.
The Ministry changes the decile based on the parents and areas standing.

It is double taxation and sadly racist.

The reality is that a school like a sausage factory costs so much to produce a sausage.
I suspect no school is given what is needed to produce the best sausages 🙂

At Scots it would be $16k a year plus the travel, which for 8-14 Lads in a class in the senior years, might be a good deal.
Some parents obviously think so and if the funding followed the child maybe more from the Hutt might go there ?
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June 18, 2012 10:52pm
slijmbal

the decile ranking affects funding is my understanding and lower decile schools receive more funding.

Everyone is aware that there are a few major influences for academic results:
– wealth of family
– parents
– school

These overlap a bit in that it’s hard to work out how much of the well off influence comes about because better off parents get their kids to better schools or better off parents inculcate different expectations/values/approaches around education and they tend to go to the same schools.

There will be a very high likelihood of a correlation between school deciles and academic outcome. I notice not mentioned once tonight on Close Up. Parents want choice and are smart enough to work this out.

I still do not see any proof that this behaviour derives just from decile rankings as many parents invariably know which schools have the most problems, worst kids, poor outcomes etc. Parents will avoid these schools – worse decile schools will tend to be the schools to be avoided.
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June 18, 2012 11:37pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/7124255/Protesters-sit-in-at-Banks-office

This is the first time any MSM have mentioned the ‘bribery and corruption’ complaint and the difference between the treatment of Taito Phillip Field and John Banks.

For copies of the formal complaint to Police alleging ‘bribery and corruption’ against DODGY John Banks – check out http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

I was arrested for trespass after refusing to leave John Banks electorate office after being served a 2 year trespass order.

Spent about an hour in the cells at Auckland Central.

Have Court appearance this Friday 22 June 2012 at 9am.

Did this to help prove how quickly the Police can ACT.

We’re still waiting to hear what the Police are doing about the John Banks alleged electoral fraud complaints?

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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June 19, 2012 1:59am
publicwatchdog

WHY ACTION AGAINST JOHN BANKS AND PETER DUNNE IS SO IMPORTANT IF YOU WANT TO STOP THE MIXED OWNERSHIP MODEL BILL! Info directly from source – Parliament:

“You requested the who voted for and against the Mixed Ownership Bill. Here is the vote as recorded on Hansard

· The question was put that the amendments recommended by the Finance and Expenditure Committee by majority be agreed to.
A party vote was called for on the question, That the question be agreed to.

Ayes 61
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.
Noes 59
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Māori Party 2; Mana 1.
Question agreed to.

A party vote was called for on the question, That the Mixed Ownership Model Bill be now read a second time.

Ayes 61
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.
Noes 59
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Māori Party 2; Mana 1.
Bill read a second time.

Here is the Hansard link to the debate

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/Debates/7/3/3/50HansD_20120614_00000016-Mixed-Ownership-Model-Bill-Second-Reading.htm ”

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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June 19, 2012 3:05am
Manolo

It must be good for Gaia, says the con-man: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/06/18/gore-firm-pension/
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June 19, 2012 6:27am
Viking2

Thanks National.

Smack admission bars grandparents
By Simon Collins
5:30 AM Tuesday Jun 19, 2012

Grandparents described as “the perfect family” have been banned from taking in their baby grand-daughter because they believe in smacking.

Brian and Hannah Johnson, of Tauranga, have two adult children of their own, have been Child, Youth and Family caregivers for a niece for 13 years, and have brought up an 8-year-old grandson since he was a baby.

But CYF has refused to let them take in their grandson’s 21-month-old half-sister because they told CYF they smacked their grandson occasionally as “a last resort”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10813892

http://screencast.com/t/Z5BaJ15hA This sums it up really.
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