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June 13, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 13 June 2012

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nasska

LJ

Naturally I have been following your comments on the ME situation (other than the Utube references as fairly bad industrial deafness makes following them a form of torture for me). So far so good…..many of your predictions have turned to fact.

The part I must have missed is what the West, in particular the USA, stand to gain by having about half a billion, already nutty, religious maniacs fired up with hatred & sitting in their wrecked countries. I could semi understand why Iraq was targeted, also Libya but where is the payoff from having countries such as Egypt totally destabilised?
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June 13, 2012 9:04pm
big bruv

Keep up the pressure people.

http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/about-work-and-income/contact-us/report-suspected-fraud/index.html

If any of you need information on Phool so you can dob him in to WINZ then let me know.
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June 13, 2012 9:04pm
philu

don’t forget to tell them about pressing number six…eh..?

..it’ll be a shortcut for them…

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 13, 2012 9:06pm
Leaping Jimmy

where is the payoff from having countries such as Egypt totally destabilised?

They were all turning toward China nasska.

It’s a superpower power play. Just like the US is coming into the Pacific, so over the last decade or so in the ME, the US has been eliminating all of its old allies which supported it who were no longer reliable, using the same tactics it used to destabilise Russia and its region in the days of the colour revolutions in Eastern Europe.

The issue in the ME which doesn’t exist in the Pacific, is to what extent does the Israeli influence over US domestic politics play a part in the decisions the US makes in its ME tactics? Yessss.

It’s possibli no coincidence that the two biggest threats to Israel: Iran and Iraq, have both come under threat from the US. As far as Iraq goes, one of the rumours is the plan for that is split into three: Kurds, Sunni and Shite. Guess which one has the oil fields and guess which one the Israelis have been cosying up to since 2003? Iran however has much, much more oil than Iraq. So how will that play?

This is why China in particular will not tolerate the US re-enacting its “historical” superpower role there, although Russia is also playing that card too.

It’s complex nasska, I’ve just skimmed the surface. Unfortunately I lost a lot of bookmarks a few months ago and have had to start again, but I’ll see if I can dredge up some of the old references I had which spelled it all out, much better than I ever could.
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June 13, 2012 9:17pm
nasska

LJ

Thanks…..I’ll chew over your analysis.
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June 13, 2012 9:24pm
Leaping Jimmy

Further: when they do Egypt for example, it’s not unstable, they create the instability. The CIA is not an intelligence agency. It’s a regime change agency.

That’s what it does.

That’s what MI-6 does as well, except its more subtle.

Remember the CIA comes from the OSS. And what was the mission for that? Spread disorder and chaos. Well, look at Syria, to take the latest subject of its attentions.

But remember, they own the people them employ to destabilise, they control them. Of course the media tells the sheeple that they’re “freedom fighters” and maybe out of their midst arises a charismatic articulate figure who captivates with his/her rhetoric. So what. They still own him/her.

Key thing is: look what the peripheral events are: e.g. I’ve mentioned before the fact the Libyan “rebels” first act, their very first act, was to setup a central reserve bank. Before the fighting had died down. This was their first act. Hello. Recall I said the west were real pissed off about the oil sales in gold. It was a new currency. The African dinar. That’s what they had to stop.

But of course, that’s just a “conspiracy theory.” Even if it did happen, it doesn’t mean anything, because, why, the rebels needed a central reserve bank. I mean, doesn’t everyone?
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June 13, 2012 9:28pm
graham

And there goes philu again, with his extreme race-hate and xenophobia.

What a nasty little man.
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June 13, 2012 9:31pm
nasska

I’ll keep chewing LJ but I’ll readily concede that when the bullets are flying advanced plans for implementing a reserve bank usually have a fairly low priority rating.
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June 13, 2012 9:37pm
Leaping Jimmy

Exactly nasska so logically one would have to ask why the hell was it the Libyan “rebels” very first action?

But of course, no western MSM journalist to date has ever thought to ask that particular question have they.

Isn’t that interesting.

Not that it means much. That’s just one thing.

Many other things: e.g.

Brzezhinsky was Obama’s senior FP advisor during the campaign. He was “Mr Colour Revolution” during the 90’s. Now all of a sudden, we start getting “Arab Springs” all over the place. What a coincidence. Similar silence from the western MSM.
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June 13, 2012 9:40pm
bhudson

Even if it did happen, it doesn’t mean anything, because, why, the rebels needed a central reserve bank. I mean, doesn’t everyone?

If they were going to receive aid from around the world they did, yes.

I hear Pauly Fuemana striking up a tune again…
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June 13, 2012 9:41pm
graham

No ‘bad stories about veganism’ philu? Really?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-09-12/news/30170552_1_soy-milk-vegan-couple-life-sentences
Vegan couple will serve life sentences for starving baby to death, court rules.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk
French vegans face trial after death of baby fed only on breast milk

http://letthemeatmeat.com/post/4306466768/why-vegans-cant-disown-the-latest-vegan-baby-death
Why Vegans Can’t Disown the Latest Vegan Baby Death

http://earthfirst.com/kids-nearly-starved-to-death-by-improper-vegan-diet/
Kids Nearly Starved to Death by Improper Vegan Diet

http://www.carbohydratescankill.com/2739/steve-jobs-dies-vegetarian-diet-at-fault
Steve Jobs Dies: Is Vegetarian Diet At Fault?

http://www.bonappetit.com/blogsandforums/blogs/badaily/2012/04/vegan-food-is-not-healthy.html
I’m Sick of People Thinking Vegan Food is Healthy

http://www.theveganrd.com/2010/11/do-ex-vegans%E2%80%99-stories-make-the-case-against-vegan-diets.html
Do Ex-Vegans’ Stories Make the Case Against Vegan Diets?

But you stick to your religion … eh?
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June 13, 2012 9:43pm
nasska

bhudson

Don’t really follow you re the expected aid money…..it is doubtful that it would be other than in the form of US dollars, Sterling or Euros. You could process those sort of financial transactions at your local branch of Kiwibank.
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June 13, 2012 9:46pm
bhudson

nasska,

Not in the aftermath of a civil war where not only physical infrastructure has been destroyed.
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June 13, 2012 9:49pm
nasska

graham

Regardless of what philu shoves down his throat have you ever taken a look at the miserable buggers who hang out at health food shops & the sprayfree section at your local farmers’ mart. A decent breeze would blow away most of the undernourished wretches.

Even if they did live longer because of their diet they probably wouldn’t have the strength to enjoy a few extra days on the planet.
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June 13, 2012 9:51pm
Leaping Jimmy

I think its interesting to note there used to be only four countries in the world without a central reserve bank: Iran, Iraq, Libya and North Korea. (The ‘axis of evil’)

And now there are two.
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June 13, 2012 9:53pm
nasska

bhudson

In the interim a country, however badly its infrastructure has been affected, could use the banking services of a third party neutral country eg Switzerland. It seems a screwy thing to have so far up the list of priorities.
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June 13, 2012 9:57pm
bhudson

LJ,

Yes, and would you care to comment on how advanced their economies were/are.
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June 13, 2012 9:58pm
Leaping Jimmy

would you care to comment on how advanced their economies were/are

Well we all know so what does this establish? I’m not sure what your point is.

Iran would be doing fine, if it was permitted to trade freely. Since Israel has deemed it not to be worthy of possessing the same nuclear technology as Israel itself possesses and since Israel controls, if not possesses the US congress, it’s managed to persuade the US to shut off the oil sales upon which Iran depends in not just the US but in all the countries which the US trades with, as well. Which means everyone except the BRIC and some of the SE Asians like Malaysia. This is not Iran’s fault. It is Israel and the US which has done this to it, not Iran which has caused this by acting in an unreasonable manner.

As for NK, well it has acted in an unreasonable manner and its run by a class A inbred nutcase. Case closed. Again. Not sure what you’re getting at here. So what?
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June 13, 2012 10:05pm
bhudson

nasska,

How is a Swiss bank going to be able to construct a financial system within Libya to distribute that aid? (not to mention general banking services such as encouraging and retaining deposits, lending for local businesses re-establishing during the rebuild and such like.)
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June 13, 2012 10:06pm
bhudson

Not sure what you’re getting at here. So what?

You were the one who raised the absence of a central bank in each of those countries as if it meant something. I just posted out a something that it meant.
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June 13, 2012 10:11pm
nasska

bhudson

I’m not an expert on the subject but presumably if as LJ said they didn’t have a reserve bank before civil war broke out there must have been a way around the problem. It may be a red herring but lots of red herrings appearing everywhere at the same time tend to stink a bit.
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June 13, 2012 10:13pm
David Garrett

Looks like the last cone of the night has been consumed chaps…enjoy the rest of the night without the drone of relentless drivel….
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June 13, 2012 10:16pm
bhudson

nasska,

Prior to the civil war they didn’t have a country in turmoil and infrastructure and government destroyed. They did have a despotic regime to control everything however.

Now what similarity there with the other regimes LJ pointed out that don’t, or didn’t, have a central bank??
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June 13, 2012 10:17pm
Leaping Jimmy

You were the one who raised the absence of a central bank in each of those countries as if it meant something. I just posted out a something that it meant.

Ah. Fractional reserve banking using fiat money bhudson. That’s what every single economy is based on today apart from those two outliers. If an entity owns the central bank, they own the money supply and as Anselm Rothschild said “Give me the power to issue a nation’s money; then I do not care who makes the law.”

It’s explained really well, here:

http://viewsmakenews.blogspot.co.nz/

Shortly after Bill Clinton took over the presidency in 1993, questions were raised by The New York Times about the Whitewater Development and Madison Guaranty loan scandals. The Clintons had invested in the project (at a “loss”) and it was learned that the bank had used its influence to hand out political loans amounting to $3 million with deposits of only $300,000. This procedure is practiced by virtually every bank that loans money under the “authority” of the Federal Reserve System. Banks were permitted to loan up to 10 times their actual cash deposits, a practice approved by the Federal Reserve.

Note: Coincidentally, it is this “regulation” that makes it possible to “create money out of thin air.” No actual exchange of money occurs between the Federal Reserve and the lending bank, though the loan transaction is recorded on paper as if there had been such an exchange. One can assume that the Fed receives its “cut” from the interest-bearing portion of the loan, as well as the principal portion, 90 percent, which has been financed from funds that actually never existed. Today, the “required” cash on hand is reported to be closer to two percent.

The Federal Reserve, a private corporation and not an actual government agency, ultimately receives interest on such loans—interest that is funneled into offshore accounts which provide profits for private, foreign banks.
When loan payments are in default or dire straits, the banks “repossess” the physical property, whether real estate, a building, house, business development, or any motor vehicle that has been financed through this illusory system. This confiscated property is resold, often at a discount, because the banks and the Fed are willing to “lose” any portion of the 90 percent which has been financed only on paper and not by any tangible means. The process is merely repeated again by the “new owner,” until the banks determine that all loans have been “satisfied.” The loan schemes devised under the authority of the Federal Reserve account for the false, inflationary valuation of real estate and the rapid depreciation of motor vehicles, are just two examples of our illusory economy. One can assume that all credit agencies operate under the same system.
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June 13, 2012 10:21pm
nasska

bhudson

Okay…I’m out of my depth here. All four countries were dictatorships or theocracies but how does a nation which oppresses its people have any less need for a reserve bank?
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June 13, 2012 10:24pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Well at least nobody is giving up their obsessions.
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June 13, 2012 10:26pm
bhudson

nasska,

Absence of widespread and complex trade. A very simple domestic economic structure. Limited private ownership.

Simply, a central bank is a mainstay for a ‘free market’, or more accurately, a ‘mixed-market’ economy. The money supply has to be managed somehow, else you have rampant inflation
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June 13, 2012 10:29pm
bhudson

LJ,

The RBNZ is, without question, a govt entity (although it is run under specific arms-length terms.)

My understanding is the Fed is the same and the so-called documentaries that claim otherwise are enormous furfies. While it may be set up to operate independent of the federal govt, that does not make it a private bank (similarly with our own central bank.)
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June 13, 2012 10:32pm
Monique Watson

early bird catches the worm.

Local govt act 2002

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/06/nomorerates-now.html
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June 14, 2012 6:37am
Viking2

Who wants worms? 😮 😯 🙄 😆
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June 14, 2012 6:48am
Viking2

Job Properly done.
Good Policing
Commend these guys.

Tasering ‘saved man’s life’
KIRSTY MCMURRAY
Last updated 05:00 14/06/2012

Police say they saved a man’s life by Tasering him before he could injure himself further during a drama in Stratford.

Senior Sergeant Darrin Haenga said police negotiated with the 36-year-old man for two hours on Tuesday night before going in after learning the man was seriously injured.

Mr Haenga said that at 7pm the man initially confronted police with a machete, but had a selection of other weapons.

“He had a number of weapons strategically placed around the house, and a number of knives in different rooms,” he sa

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7099439/Tasering-saved-mans-life

Some what better than shooting someone and then making excuses. What tazers were intorduced to do.
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June 14, 2012 6:51am
Viking2

It gets better all the time.

Partners of DPB fraudsters may be targeted
DANYA LEVY
Last updated 05:00 14/06/2012

The Government is looking at ways to make the partners of domestic purposes beneficiaries found to have fraudulently obtained welfare payments repay some of the money owed.

Associate Social Development Minister Chester Borrows, who has responsibility for welfare fraud, said there was a gender imbalance with the repayment of domestic purposes benefit (DPB) fraud because most people on that benefit were women

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7098952/Partners-of-DPB-fraudsters-may-be-targeted

But Jacinda says:, Jacinda Ardern, said it was important that people who defrauded the benefit system were held to account. “But we would be cautious about how far the pursuit of those not responsible for fraud went.”

UMMM, isn’t that association ” Aiding and Abetting a Crime.” Makes that person guilty by assiciation.
Perhaps DG or FES would like to say something about the law around that.

All good in my book. No problem to find you some like that. Had one apply for a job yesterday. 😆
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June 14, 2012 6:57am
Viking2

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7099469/Benefit-cheats-stole-237-000

Four Taranaki benefit fraudsters fleeced the taxpayer of more than $237,000 after lying to Work and Income about their lives.

In the worst of the cases before New Plymouth District Court yesterday, 63-year-old Pahe Claudine Collier, also known as Davis, reaped $137,000 over nearly 11 years while she was also working.

Another, Lisa Reid, 34, of Warea, was living with a partner, Albie Reade, for four years while still getting a domestic purposes benefit. She received $80,500 to which she was not entitled.

So why the hell shouldn’t the Taxpayer get their money back?
Go after them Chester.
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June 14, 2012 7:01am
graham

philu at 8:24 pm

gra-gra said:..

“gra-gra”?

How does a 62-year-old man regress to talking like a 2-year-old? Is it the drugs?
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