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Leaping Jimmy

That’s what the media does – takes one issue and conflates it with another to try and gain support for the issue they like. Or maybe they are just trying to cause controversy.

Fletch this would indicate sentience which I haven’t ever detected in our, or anyone else’s, MSM’s.

Let me know if you want the raw data, it’s just lots of zeros. No 1’s whatsover, in any way.

Isn’t that interesting.
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June 10, 2012 6:40pm
Johnboy

Jeeze. I’ve just gone blind! 🙂
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June 10, 2012 6:41pm
nasska

Johnboy

Got anything in the shed to treat blog blight?
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June 10, 2012 6:42pm
publicwatchdog

Seems you may have missed this post David ?

It doesn’t take a cast of thousands to put up the banners and let them ‘do the talking’ David Garrett!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150845110526790&set=a.55178806789.77959.727511789&type=1

Banners are a VERY effective way of getting the message out

Yesterday there were a number of us with the banners unfurled, in front of THOUSANDS of motorists at the Kohimarama Rd /St Heliers Bay Rd junction.

HEAPS of ‘toots’ and supportive responses!

The best yet.

For pictures of the banners – check out the following:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2825566897966&set=a.2687272160684.90295.1822854202&type=3&theater

That was the NINTH such protest.

This venue was not in the Epsom electorate – but near enough.

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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June 10, 2012 6:43pm
publicwatchdog

So, Nasska and Johnboy – you’re not opposed to corruption?

You don’t support genuine ‘transparency’?

You don’t even put your names to your posts – so – no surprises there?

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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June 10, 2012 6:46pm
Leaping Jimmy

That was the NINTH such protest…

(Meant of course in a caring way…

‘Anti-corruption campaigner…

Kind regards…

Penny Bright…
‘Anti-corruption campaigner…’

That wasn’t kind Penny. That was waterboarding.
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June 10, 2012 6:47pm
Harriet

“….Opening the government books to an army of online citizen investigators has uncovered waste and duplication, and made junkets or pork-barrel spending near impossible. Corruption and rorting cannot occur when the records are freely available – sunlight truly is the best disinfectant.’

Another reason to support it…..”

Keep it honest Penny.

The records ONLY detail exspenses OVER $25,000 – as DPF had in his artical !
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June 10, 2012 6:51pm
publicwatchdog

More ‘waterboarding’?

Well – more photos of yesterday’s VERY effective intersection protest – St Heliers Bay Rd/ Kohimarama Rd tee junction.

You may particularly like my personal favorite?

“The KEY thing in life is sincerity.

(BIG picture of NZ Prime Minister John Key’s face)

Once you can fake that – you’ve got it made. ”

You REALLY like that banner Nasska, Yvette and Graham?

possibly not…………………. 🙁

But LOTS do! 🙂

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2825553737637&set=a.2687272160684.90295.1822854202&type=1&theater

For more pictures of banners that were on display – check out http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com ‘Give a grrl a banner’ 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
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June 10, 2012 7:00pm
Zapper

Very effective? I don’t think getting support from other loony tunes proves anything is effective.

A thief calling herself an anti_corruption campaigner. Goodness me.
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June 10, 2012 7:08pm
Harriet

“….19. Legislate to help stop ‘State Capture’, a form of ‘grand corruption’ arguably endemic in NZ – where vested interests get their way at the ‘policy level’ before legislation is passed which serves their interests…”

You mean like the public service ?

Or just ‘rich pricks’ ?

“….When a ‘whole of government’ approach is taken to fix problems such as child abuse, the ministers then have a tendancy to listen to the loudest, generally, those with the biggest self interests, generally again, the largest government departments whom have a disadvantage because they have all the so-called ‘facts’. The current departmental orthodox practice that is being performed is then not usually changed, unless of course, it helps strengthen the department – not weaken it…” – This was taken from a monograph on policy about the Adoption of Children from Dysfunctional Parents.Argueing that it is best to take children away from those who ‘can never be parents’ who provide a place where children ‘thrive’ due to their insurmountable porsonal problems that won’t ever be solved.

Funnily enough Penny, it then goes on to suggest that the future of ‘welfare services’ should be a return to the past, to the charitable deeds performed by the wealthy – as they actually worked !
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June 10, 2012 7:16pm
Harriet

“…A thief calling herself an anti_corruption campaigner. Goodness me…”

What’s that about ?
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June 10, 2012 7:28pm
graham

Harriet: It has been well-established that Penny Bright – self-proclaimed ‘public watchdog’ and ‘anti-corruption campaigner – has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), and VANDALISED AND DEFACED billboards of her opponents when standing for public office.
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June 10, 2012 7:38pm
philu

whatever you do don’t ask graham about the looters of sth cant fin…

..he gets really angry about that..

..does whole sentences in capital letters..

..phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 10, 2012 7:40pm
graham

Re Penny’s post at 6:40 pm: I, in fact, am in total agreement with two particular points of the Draft Action Plan. These points, specifically:

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

In all seriousness, I think the behaviour of some of our MPs over the past years has been quite disgusting. And I completely endorse the sentiment that those people who make the rules for everyone else, should be held accountable. I have found it quite bizarre that we allow people such as Hone Harawira into Parliament, when he openly states that he will not obey the laws of the land if he happens to disagree with them.

And I’m equally in agreement with the sentiment of point 5, extending this ‘Code of Conduct’ to Local Government elected representatives. So, presumably, somebody standing for public office who was found to have STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), would not be looked upon very favourably under this ‘Code of Conduct’. And as for somebody standing for public office who proceeded to VANDALISE AND DEFACE the billboards of her opponents during the campaign – that wouldn’t be very seemly, now would it?
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June 10, 2012 7:47pm
big bruv

A reminder to all who are sick of Phool stealing from us every week.

http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/about-work-and-income/contact-us/report-suspected-fraud/index.html

Make use of this service, you will find that the people at WINZ are very keen to hear from you.
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June 10, 2012 7:50pm
bereal

Talking about marriage being a convention between one man and one woman.

Lets take a time machine forward into a time in New zealand where that doctrine has been trashed.

Here we can eavesdrop on two homosexuals males, John and Thomas discussing their wedding plans.

John; Lets have our wedding ceremony on exactly the same spot where we first met and where we
consumated our undying lifelong love for each other within the first minute of our very first meeting.

Tom; You mean in the dunny at the park ?

John; Yep, remember, it was the third cubicle from the piss pan ?

Tom; Cool, we could have the best man in the next trap. He could poke the wedding rings to us through
the glory hole in the wall, how romantic that would be.

etc etc,

John; and after we are married, we can adopt a young boy and all live together just like any other normal
family in New Zealand.

Hey people, how much do we want to drop standards that have underpinned our society for 1000 years ?

No hate speech, just asking the question. You OK with that scenario ?

Thats what is comming unless you wake up.
Where have i got that wrong ?
You OK with that ?
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June 10, 2012 7:51pm
bhudson

That was the NINTH such protest.

So you mean the ninth time almost no one turned up to protest Penny. Quite some movement you’ve started
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June 10, 2012 7:55pm
nasska

I bumped into an old friend and said to him, “I hear you lost your job as a Geography teacher?”

“Yeah, I’ve no idea why but it doesn’t matter now as I’m moving to Australia to teach.”

“Why go all that way for a job?”

“Because apparently Toronto has some of the best schools in the world.”
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June 10, 2012 8:00pm
Harriet

graham#

Thanks.btw-sorry about a comment I made in regards to what you said a few weeks ago about tax rates in France and what you are prepared to pay.I took it as someone from the left just wanting to shift sentiment to higher taxes.sorry again about that conclusion, as I don’t know you.
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June 10, 2012 8:02pm
Steve (North Shore)

@ bereal,
2000 🙂

Not OK with your 7.51 post. I think the big plan has been totaly fucked up by the rainbows.
Who needs a super disease to wipe out the human race when same sex couples will not produce offspring?
1000 years in the future of course.
Meanwhile the strange ones keep pushing the queer barrow
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June 10, 2012 8:11pm
philu

the sugar piece on sunday didn’t pull any punches..

..there was a good comment..about sugar having ‘a tobacco moment’….

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 10, 2012 8:12pm
Harriet

Marriage has been around for at least 10,000 years, and it’s been well understood all that time. There have been homosexuals all that time too.

Why do we now have to “change what the term Marriage actually means”? What’s changed that would justify re-evaluating it, other than emotions?

I don’t understand the argument about wanting to celebrate the same as everybody else, while actually celebrate being different…that is odd…very odd behaviour ?
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June 10, 2012 8:12pm
Zapper

bereal. If philu wasn’t here, that post would quite comfortably confirm you as the dumbest person to ever breathe air
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June 10, 2012 8:14pm
bereal

C’mon Zapper.

Can you explain yourself, you got any argument ?

Or, are you just the same as all the others of your ilk ?

Abuse the messenger, ignore the message ?

Prove me wrong dahling, put up some argument.

Else, fuck off.
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June 10, 2012 8:21pm
Zapper

Well done for assuming I’m gay because I disagree with your bigotry. You are very enlightened.

Now. Do you think the only way gay men meet is in public toilets?

At no point was I ignoring the message. That’s what I responded to. I know nothing about you except that you deliver retarded messages. Are you saying they’re not your words? Fair enough. So you don’t have your own opinion, but you deliver the opinion of morons.
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June 10, 2012 8:25pm
Steve (North Shore)

“Now. Do you think the only way gay men meet is in public toilets? ”

Some public toilets get locked up after 6pm so the strange ones have to go somewhere else.
A dirty car parked up with a cock drawn on the side is a sure signal, tell us more Zapper
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June 10, 2012 8:36pm
bereal

Harriet
Things ebb and flow.
Homosexuals feel that things are flowing their way.
This is due to many things but it will not last.

Things are so crook at the moment that
you can have a person such as Alison Mau.
Declare after, who knows how many years of deceipt and conning a decent normal bloke that she
just woke up one morning and realised she was a lesbian, and then claim the high ground.
And some gormless fools believe her.

This is how sick our society has become.
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June 10, 2012 8:39pm
Steve (North Shore)

I’m sure big bruv won’t mind me reposting this:

A reminder to all who are sick of Phool stealing from us every week.

http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/about-work-and-income/contact-us/report-suspected-fraud/index.html

Make use of this service, you will find that the people at WINZ are very keen to hear from you.
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June 10, 2012 8:42pm
bereal

One last try with you Zapper.

Grow up from just asking questions and abusing the messenger, thats just pathetic.

If you do have any rebuttal lets hear it.
Want to discuss it ? Fine.
What have you got ?
Otherwise, as i said, fuck off.
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June 10, 2012 8:48pm
Steve (North Shore)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10812071&ref=rss

Quite sad when Russell (2 ll’s) is dragging the chain behind Winston First.
Meanwhile Shearer leads his flock into the wilderness
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June 10, 2012 8:52pm
philu

national @44%….

..feel the burn…

..phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 10, 2012 8:54pm
Pete George

bereal – how about pulling your head in (or should that be your fingers)? That sort of obnoxious abuse reflects on the whole blog community. It’s not your blog to tell people what to do.
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June 10, 2012 8:57pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ah Pete,
bereal is just pulling up zapper. It is not your Blog either Pete.
Why not tell the resident drug fucked train wreck to stop disrupting the Blog? There he is again above
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June 10, 2012 9:03pm
graham

See my post at 7:47 pm – Maybe we should consider a ‘Code of Conduct’ for blogs …

Hell, that would get rid of three quarters of the posts straight away.
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June 10, 2012 9:03pm
bereal

Dear,self appointed policeman of all the blogs Pete George, (jeez, you must have a very high opinion of yourself)

what, ‘obnoxious abuse’ ?

what are you talking about ?

Also, thanks for telling me what i may or may not say.

Now i wouldn’t call you a sanctimoniuos prig,
but i am tempted.
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June 10, 2012 9:04pm
Pete George

I know it’s not my blog, that’s why I didn’t tell bereal to fuck off, nor what to say. I was just pointing out a basic bit of blog etiquette. You can drag the tone down if you like (if DPF doesn’t deal to you), and I can say my two bobs worth if I like.

And that’s all I happened to see, I didn’t think I should examine the whole thread and give equal bollocks to every bit of crap, if I did that bereal would probably accuse me of sitting on the fence.

I notice bereal didn’t accuse me of never speaking out about anything though. This time.
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June 10, 2012 9:12pm
bereal

Now i realy am tempted to call you a sanctimonious prig Pete.
You can say your ‘two bobs worth,”

So can i

Get it yet sweetie ?

When were you appointed ‘blog monitor ‘ ?

Heard of ‘delusions of grandeur ?’

Are you the sole arbiter of what is ‘blog etiquette”

Jeez mate, you neeed to get a grip.
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June 10, 2012 9:20pm
David Garrett

Now now Penny…all of us who had media training know the ‘answer the question with what you want to say’ technique…but that said…here’s the question…

“How many people (other than you) turned up to the anti Banks protest?”

That’s a very simple question…the answers vary from “none” to ” 500″ ( in your dreams)…so which is it Pen ?
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June 10, 2012 9:24pm
Harriet

What rights don’t homos have here apart from the right to change the Marriage Act. I personaly don’t see that as a right.If they don’t qualify under existing rules why should the rules be changed ? It’s called ‘democracy’ not ‘democracy that cares’.

The boring non issue of gay marriage that we are bombarded with every day, as if its some mind blowingly important issue we have to deal with or civilization will end, yaaaawn … the only reason gays want to have a traditional wedding is so they can say in yer face straight people, suck eggs, we won.

What is the problem with showing homosexual men engaging in intimacy and then asking people to reflect on it? What is wrong with describing what homosexual sex actually involves? If its so “natural, “normal” and so “modern” and so “21st century” then I am sure everyone watching and thinking about it will get on the gay marriage bandwagon!

But then….I think this shows really well the slippery slope we are on when it comes to the gay marriage issue? It has the potential to change the whole moral basis of our society down to what we expect our children to see in public – that worries me !

And there is nothing wrong with opposing same sex marriage. It seems like the homosexual lobby is trying to shut down the debate rather than argue their case by calling people names like bigots and homophobes and telling mistruths like, we were born that way, and, we don’t have the same rights.Both are lies forced on a gullible but caring public.A caring public that hasn’t as yet, had the benefits of Marriage in their society clearly explained.But that’s coming.

There will always be a significant portion of the population who are repulsed by this lifestyle and their view is no less valid than anyone else’s, say, for example, those who disagree with those who choose to smoke.
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June 10, 2012 9:27pm
bereal

And, where has Zapper gone ?
Does he have any argument ?
Seems not.

He took my advice.
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June 10, 2012 9:31pm
bereal

Now i have nothing against homosexual men.
It’s just what they do that makes me sick.
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June 10, 2012 9:33pm
mikenmild

What is it they do to you to make you sick?
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June 10, 2012 9:38pm
Pete George

Harriet, it’s called equal rights, something you and Colin Craig don’t seem to care about when it doesn’t suit.

It’s called ‘democracy’

Why not put it to a democratic test then? See what our democratic parliament decides is equal.
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June 10, 2012 9:42pm
bereal

mikenmild
ask your dad.
It’s time he had. ‘that talk’ with you babe.
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June 10, 2012 9:42pm
Harriet

More disease is spread by homosexuals than smokers and drinkers, but smokers and drinkers are accused relentlessly by the health department as having high healthcare costs.

Yet the healthcare costs of homosexuals are considerably higher than that of straight males, bowel reconstruction, diesase prevention and cure, mental health costs are just some of the costs and treatments that homosexuals have from their VERY FIRST experiances with the homosexual lifestylye -yet- smokers and drinkers ONLY have as higher costs IF they MISUSE alcohol or smoke a considerable amount of cigerettes for several decades.

Why is the health department being so quiet on such a major health matter ?
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June 10, 2012 9:50pm
mikenmild

Could you cite some evidence to support those claims, Harriet?
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June 10, 2012 9:53pm
Andrei

Pete George you brainwashed drongo “equal rights” is just empty noise.

Two men are not equivalent to a man and a woman because they cannot make babies – this is elementary biology.

And you nong marriage is a public institution because we need to know who is responsible for the children who are born and also we need people to have children – it is vital actually.

Now it is all well and good to be tolerant of the utterly sordid lifestyles of the homosexuals and lesbians but it is and remains a self centered and essentially parasitic choice which adds nothing to our society unlike procreative couples who are producing the future generations of New Zealanders
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June 10, 2012 9:59pm
Pete George

More disease is spread by homosexuals than smokers and drinkers

Very odd claim. There’s far more smokers and drinkers than homosexuals.

Are there more smearing rumours spread be narrowed minded conservative Christians than by smokers and drinkers?
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June 10, 2012 10:00pm
bereal

Excellent points Harriet

If the drag on the health system from, say, obesity is recognised.

Why sould we ignore the drag from drag queens ?

Why is that mikenmild ?
Or Zapper ?

Anyway, enough fun for one night.
Goodnite all.
Good luck to your families.
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June 10, 2012 10:00pm
Pete George

Wow, and Andrei calls me a brainwashed drongo. And claims that “equal rights” is just empty noise. Should wives be the property of husbands?

By the way, marriage is not a vital component of procreation. People were having babies long before they started getting hitched.
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June 10, 2012 10:05pm
Harriet

mikenmild #

You’re kidding right ?

Are you really going to argue against the general observation that having a couple of beers with your mates on Friday night is less damaging than if they, instead, gave it to you up the arse ?
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June 10, 2012 10:06pm
bereal

One last word.
Consider this policeman of the internet Pete George.

The most promiscuous animal on earth is the male homosexual.

The male homosexual has up to 1000 contacts per year.

There is an element amongst male homosexuals that obtain their ultimate gratification from
corrupting a youth.

Ask Zapper or mikenmild if they deny these truths.
G’nite.

[DPF: Is that all homosexuals have 1,000 contact per year, or just an average? Have you researched this first hand?

And what do you define as a contact? Is that anal sex, or also oral sex or even just mutual masturbation? Does one of the “male homosexuals” have to cum in order for it to count as a contact?]
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June 10, 2012 10:09pm
Ryan Sproull

The only animal on earth that thinks about gay sex more than gay humans are anti-gay humans.
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June 10, 2012 10:12pm
Pete George

bereal, I don’t believe any claims, especially “up to”, that aren’t backed by some sort of facts.

I think there’s ample proof of Ryan’s claim on this blog.
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June 10, 2012 10:13pm
Andrei

Should wives be the property of husbands?

Another empty slogan that Pete George has been brainwashed spewing out revealing his abysmal incapacity for original thought.

No Pete George, the Christian conception of marriage is a three way covenant between the man, the woman and God.

The man is expected to lay down his life for his wife and children if necessary, they come before all else – believe me many of my ancestors were put to the test in this regard.

And while marriage is not a pre requisite for having children 5 millennia of human existence has revealed that this is the best way yet revealed to raise succeeding generations in that more children survive to adulthood and prosper.
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June 10, 2012 10:22pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

the Christian conception of marriage is a three way covenant between the man, the woman and God

And since about the 1970s, de facto relationships have often seen a man and woman have children and successfully raise them to adulthood.
The family unit is no longer dependant on ‘marriage’.

Homosexuals however want to feel normal and accepted.
The whole aim of the AIDS FOUNDATION has been to make homosexuals feel accepted and unafraid of seeking medical help for AIDS.
That was the spin the AIDS FOUNDATION put on their approach, which was actually gay rights.
And with civil union they are nearly there, but not quite.
But to feel really right they want gay ‘marriage’ recognised.
Simple as that.
And with some churches accepting gay clergy, gay marriage is only a matter of time.
You may have to find a new word to mean ‘traditional’ marriage.

Then it will be gay adoption.
And, as the subconscious side of an individual’s character is formed by his or her first five years or so of parenting and ‘social environment’, the desirability of having same sex ‘parents’ would perhaps best be advised by psychological research, but is that consistent, ‘set’, and available to Parliamentarians for a ‘conscience’ vote?
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June 10, 2012 10:59pm
bereal

Now iv’e had my shower, and just before i retire
Wow.
i trust i haven’t touched a raw nerve here. @10.09
Note ,i said, ‘up to’ 1000 contacts, not all homosexuals.
Settle down, relax. Don’t get yourself in an uproar.

This is a quote from Daryl Gates, ex police chief of Los Angeles .He made it when he visited Auckland just after the Watts
riots. On New Zealand radio station 1ZB The conversation turned to homosexuality and Chief Gates said, There are three things I can tell you about
the male homosexual after all my experience as a police officer, and he went on to make the three points i repeated above.

This was in the days before PC bullshit had clouded everything and when people were still able to say what
they truly believed.
And i wouldn’t presume to interpret what he meant by ‘Contacts’ i leave that up to your imagination.

Point is. That is what Chief Gates said.
Do you want to dispute that ?
Did he have that wrong ?
If so, which one of the three points ?
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June 10, 2012 11:56pm
philu

just to stick with beryls’ favourite themes/obsessions of same-sex sucking and fucking..

..did anyone else see rawdon christie giving key a toe-job on breakfast-telly…?

…christie was sucking so much/hard…they were almost both whimpering in/with delight…

..a new benchmark in arse-kissing-excuse-for-interview was well and truly set…

and the thing/problem is with christie…is that he pretty much knows nothing…

..and that is clearly on show..

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 11, 2012 7:28am
big bruv

A reminder to all who are sick of Phool stealing from us every week.

http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/about-work-and-income/contact-us/report-suspected-fraud/index.html

Make use of this service, you will find that the people at WINZ are very keen to hear from you.
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June 11, 2012 7:32am
Zapper

bereal (2,011) Says:
June 10th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

And, where has Zapper gone ?

I went out for the evening, apologies for having a life rather than being a silly old bigot staying home all night. Actually, you came up at the pub during a chat on how repressed, sad and pathetic some people are
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