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Luc Hansen

But, while on matters of justice, there is some serious reading here:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/events/2012-05-11-conference-climate-change-justice

A high-powered discussion of justice as it relates to climate change, with many papers by eminent authors already published on the website.

Good reading for a cool winter’s night.
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May 9, 2012 5:30pm
mikenmild

It isn’t really that pointless when people like Fletch deploy a multiplicity of contradictory arguments – it’s actually quite entertaining.
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May 9, 2012 5:30pm
philu

i mean..the latest terrorist bomber was a cia agent..?

..someones’ having a laff…eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 9, 2012 5:40pm
philu

and fletch is so multi-themed..

..he can rant on the big-fella stuff..

..the evil muslims..

..all gays go to hell…

..what have i forgotten..?

..he is a nougat-block of bigotry..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 9, 2012 5:43pm
Luc Hansen

Only for those who bother to read the racist tripe, mike.
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May 9, 2012 5:43pm
Andrei

Vechnaya Pamyat VE Day
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May 9, 2012 5:44pm
Luc Hansen

The best news hour in the world.

http://www.democracynow.org/

The War and Peace Report.

Headlines May 8, 2010

NATO Admits Killing Afghan Mother, 5 Children in Air Strike

Leftist Greek Parties Attempt to Form Anti-Austerity Government

Greek Neo-Nazi Party Wins Support on Anti-Immigrant Platform

German Chancellor Rejects Call to Remake Euro Austerity Pact

Interpol Seeks Arrest of Iraqi Vice President

CIA Thwarts Alleged Underwear Bomb Plot by Al-Qaeda in Yemen

Red Cross: Some Syrian Violence Qualifies as Civil War

Russia: Hundreds of Protesters Arrested as Putin Resumes Presidency

House Budget Committee OKs Massive Social Cuts to Preserve Military Funds

North Carolina Voters Consider Amendment Banning Same-Sex Marriage

U.N. Investigator Calls for U.S. to Restore Some Land to Native Americans

Arizona Enacts Ban on Public Funds for Groups That Provide Abortions

EPA Whistleblower Who Exposed 9/11 Health Risks Gets Job Back

Stories May 8, 2012

Former Labor Sec. Robert Reich on Clinton’s Errors of Crippling Welfare to Repealing Glass-Steagall

“We Need to Make a Ruckus”: Robert Reich Hails Occupy for Exposing Concentration of Wealth and Power

Justice Cheated: Human Rights Watch’s Kenneth Roth on Failures of Guantánamo Military Tribunals

**********************************************************************************************************Watch and listen to the best and worst of the USA and the world.

Apologies for missing yesterday’s post. You can find it at the website.

Now time for me to cook dinner while watching it myself.

And I’ll have Rachel Maddow for desert:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/
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May 9, 2012 5:59pm
bereal

i notice that last night i was accused by mikenmild (warmly seconded by Pete George)
of reaching a new low by wishing for, ‘ the execution of another member of the kiwiblog fraternity’

i never wished that at all, read it again, you weak super sensitive dweebs.

However,
i did warn a certain magpie to be carefull what he wished for when he is calling for the revolution.

After the revolution new leaders may make a pragmatic call on the usefullness of such a bludging magpie
who has contributed fuckall his whole useless life and take appropriate action accordingly.
(we can get sperm donors anywhere)

Think Maximilien Robespierre.
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May 9, 2012 6:36pm
mikenmild

I’m willing to accept your clarification.
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May 9, 2012 6:37pm
philu

so..parliamentary library figures show that the previous round of privatisation of state assets raised $7 billion…

..the forgone/re-directed revenue/income from those assets since then..has been $21 billion…

..could one of you rightwing economic-rationalists explain just how that comes within coo-ee of any semblance of sanity…?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 9, 2012 6:39pm
philu

“..And I’ll have Rachel Maddow for desert:..”

what do you have for light-relief..?

..do you colbert/stewart..?

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 9, 2012 6:44pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Nice, BBC doing a hacket job on New Zealand Adventure tourism right now on BBC Breakfast.

Bad news for the New Zealand tourism Minister. Good of him to prepare a statement for the BBC.
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May 9, 2012 6:47pm
Yvette

Contraception –
… Deborah Russell: “I’m also catching a whiff of racism about this move … we know that 43% of DPB recipients are Maori, and 10% are Pacific Islanders. So over half of DPB recipients have brown skins. I think it’s not just about making the slappers keep the legs together. It’s also about stopping those brown people from breeding.”
Well-spotted. The dastardly Government is introducing free contraception to all women, but this is just a sneaky move to stop brown people breeding.

Even given the Maori statistic here is 43% against their 15% population, that 43% plus the Pacific Islanders 10% brings it up to 53% of course, against 47% of all others.
53 – 47 still seems pretty even-handed to me …
Hardly ethnic cleansing
Mad buggers
Oops, perhaps I should forego the pre-tea apple martini and Cointreau
Next I will be wanting to apologise to Tame Iti – although if he hadn’t taken to wearing the colonial head-gear we could overlook him completely
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May 9, 2012 6:54pm
bereal

So mikenmild is a big enough man to be willing to , ‘accept my clarification’

What a sanctimonious prat.
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May 9, 2012 6:56pm
bereal

And on relection i probably did a disservice to Robespierre.
He, at least did something with his life unlike the bludging, smartarse loser i was referring to
who has shat his life away sitting on his arse smoking dope.
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May 9, 2012 7:05pm
Pete George

When the usual suspects swarm on a post you know they are trying to cloud out something sensitive.

Shearer stands silently by while Labour website is used to distribute illegally obtained documents.

Can any lawyers say what the legal situation is on distributing documents known to be confidential and obviously not intended to be seen by the recipient?

“Public interest” has been claimed, but an MP on party blog is hardly an unbiased media.

http://yournz.org/2012/05/09/ethical-mallardy-for-shearer/
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May 9, 2012 7:08pm
bereal

Oh, there you are Pete George.

Do you stand by your comment last night that my post was, ‘The worst you had ever seen.’

Let me guess your answer, should you offer one.

“Well I may.
Then again, I may not.
It just depends.”

That about right Pete ?
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May 9, 2012 7:22pm
wat dabney

Those who take an interest in the global warming issue will recognise the name Yamal.

As the Hockey Stick was being debunked we were told by the same “scientists” that other tree ring proxy produced the same hockeystick shape.

Thanks to Freedom of Information action, it has now been revealed that that this so-called Yamal collection was deliberately and knowingly cherry-picked from their broader collection of equally valid proxy data.

It is a fraudulent fabrication.

These “scientists” – at the very heart of the global warming issue – deliberately produced this entirely misleading chart and lied about their work with the wider collection which completely contradicted it.

See the chart:

“Direct comparison of the chronology that Briffa chose to publish against the full chronology that he withheld makes the point clear”

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/5/8/the-yamal-deception.html
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May 9, 2012 7:24pm
Pete George

bereal, I didn’t say it was the worst I had seen, I said it was getting down there, and may be worse than anything of philu’s that I’ve been able to decipher. In other words, your abuse directed at him was worse than what I’ve seen from him.

What you said was pretty crap – don’t you think?
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May 9, 2012 7:39pm
Luc Hansen

philu (11,851) Says:
May 9th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

..do you colbert/stewart..?

Of course….

And Bill O’Reilly…

Can’t stomach Hannity, though…

Luc.
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May 9, 2012 7:57pm
nasska

While checking the church storeroom, the pastor discovered several cases of new Bibles that never had been opened and distributed. So at his Sunday sermon, he asked for three volunteers from the congregation who would be willing to sell the Bibles door-to-door for $20 each to raise money for the church. Jack, Paul, and Louie all raised their hands to volunteer for the task.

The minister knew that Jack and Paul earned their living as salesmen and were likely capable of selling some Bibles. But he had serious doubts about Louie, a local farmer who always had kept to himself because he was embarrassed by his speech impediment. Poor Louie stuttered badly. But because he didn’t want to discourage Louie, the minister decided to let him try anyway.

He sent the three of them away with the backseats of their cars stacked with Bibles. He asked them to meet with him and report the results of their efforts the following Sunday.

Anxious to find out how successful they were, the minister immediately asked Jack, “Well, Jack, how did you make out selling our Bibles last week?” Proudly handing the reverend an envelope, Jack replied, “Using my sales prowess, I was able to sell 20 Bibles, and here’s the $400 I collected on behalf of the church.”

“Fine job, Jack!” the minister said, vigorously shaking his hand. “You are indeed a fine salesman and the church is indebted to you.”

Turning to Paul, he said, “And Paul, how many Bibles did you sell for the church last week?”

Paul, smiling and sticking out his chest, confidently replied, “I am a professional salesman. I sold 28 Bibles on behalf of the church, and here’s the $560 I collected.”

The minister responded, “That’s absolutely splendid, Paul. You are truly a professional salesman and the church is also indebted to you.”

Apprehensively, the minister turned to Louie and said, “And Louie, did you manage to sell any Bibles last week?” Louie silently offered the minister a large envelope. The minister opened it and counted the contents. “Louie, there’s $6400 in here! Are you suggesting that you sold 320 Bibles for the church, door-to-door, in just one week?” Louie just nodded.

“That’s impossible!” both Jack and Paul said in unison. “We are professional salesmen, yet you claim to have sold 10 times as many Bibles as we could.”

“Yes, this does seem unlikely,” the minister agreed. “I think you’d better explain how you managed to accomplish this, Louie.”

Louie shrugged. “I-I-I re-re-re-really do-do-do-don’t kn-kn-kn-know f-f-f-for sh-sh-sh-sure,” he stammered. “A-a-a-all I-I-I s-s-s-said wa-wa-wa-was ‘W-w-w-w-would y-y-y-you l-l-l-like t-t-t-to b-b-b-buy th-th-th-this b-b-b-Bible f-f-f-for t-t-t-twenty d-d-d-dollars o-o-o-or wo-wo-wo-would yo-yo-yo-you j-j-j-just l-l-l-like m-m-m-me t-t-t-to st-st-st-stand h-h-h-here and r-r-r-read it t-t-t-to y-y-y-you?'”
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May 9, 2012 8:00pm
bereal

Pete George. check out 6.36 read it again, try and understand.

No. What i said was spot on.

How you choose to interperate it, under the guidance of your mentor mikenmild is a matter
for you.
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May 9, 2012 8:04pm
Luc Hansen

wat dabney (1,358) Says:
May 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

As the Hockey Stick was being debunked…

Ignoring the complete falsehood here, that the Hockey Stick has been debunked (which it hasn’t), and ignoring the fact that Briffa’s work was one just of 11 (from memory) that were incorporated into the Hockey Stick graph compiled by Michael Mann, a scientific hero, and ignoring the fact that there are plenty of hockey sticks in our temperature records from all sorts of sources, not just proxies (heard of thermometers, wat>), tell us this, wat:

Do you deny that the planet has actually warmed over the last 150 years, and especially since 1970?

We need to know this so we can understand what your point is.
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May 9, 2012 8:06pm
Luc Hansen

PG

put it away, mate. If the scenario was reversed, you would be in donkey deep. 🙂
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May 9, 2012 8:08pm
Luc Hansen

As another example of how the US has gone feral, long time senator, Richard Lugar, of rednecked Indiana, a veteran of 30 years in the Senate, has lost his primary and will exit centre stage come November.

But wait! There’s more! North Carolina has just voted in a referendum to ban already banned same sex marriage – yes, they are that twisted that they just wanted to do it all again, a bit like reaffirming marriage vows, I s’pose.

Ah, don’t you just love the land of the free.
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May 9, 2012 8:15pm
Griff

Be real I understand wot you were saying
Its the same as the mongrelmob running around saying sieg heill
They had there own star persons who were anti social and a one way trip to a camp cattle class
People who have an idea even if wrong are a danger to the sort of regime philu desires
As such they become undesirable
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May 9, 2012 8:20pm
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/14-photographs-that-shatter-your-image-of-famous-people-ed-heh-this-is-funny/

“..I don’t want to say that Eminem’s claims of an impoverished life as an abused child aren’t true –

– I think everyone agrees that they are.

To an extent.

Still, sometimes he had a birthday and a cake and wore a pink T-shirt depicting Alf wearing X-ray glasses saying, “Hey, nice underwear!”..”

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 9, 2012 8:20pm
bereal

Jeez Luc
maybe, u ‘N i’ could come to common ground on some subjects. (not many, but some , maybe )
you seem to have a more open mind than some posters here.
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May 9, 2012 8:21pm
Johnboy

Jeeze 128 comments!

Can’t give a fuck even reading even one to catch up! 🙂

Have you got a job yet Magpie? 🙂
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May 9, 2012 8:35pm
Luc Hansen

U got me there, bereal.

Wtf did I say that could meet with your approval?

Tell me quick so I can reappraise my views 🙂
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May 9, 2012 8:36pm
Johnboy

What diameter was your birthday cake? 🙂
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May 9, 2012 8:37pm
Johnboy

Stop stealing my mana 🙂 Lance! 🙂
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May 9, 2012 8:39pm
Steve (North Shore)

Some criminals are forced to wear pink underpants whore.
phool.idiot@fuckinwankers.com
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May 9, 2012 8:42pm
Johnboy

At 61 they tend to turn brown rather quickly Steve.

Specially if you sleep in! 🙂
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May 9, 2012 8:47pm
Steve (North Shore)

Phark, better check mine JB, nope ok.
Close to 60 but not yet
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May 9, 2012 8:49pm
Johnboy

Shit. What a boring night. The only insane bastard here is me!

Night y’all! 🙂
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May 9, 2012 8:59pm
Luc Hansen

JB

Feel free to Shun me. I have never seen an even remotely interesting post from you in all my time here.

Cheers.
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May 9, 2012 8:59pm
big bruv

I was not interested in the Employment Relations (Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill until I watched the way the left (Labour’s union arm) got up and spoke about it in the house today. What we witnessed was naked hatred, hatred of all employers and a litany of lies from those who spoke.

To be honest I still don’t really care as I will never join a union but I will admit to really enjoying watching the Labour union hacks get all pissed off at the bill being passed.
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May 9, 2012 9:12pm
Pete George

Luc Hansen at 8:08 pm
put it away, mate. If the scenario was reversed, you would be in donkey deep

Poor accusation, and wrong. Since I’ve been coming here (and before that elsewhere) I’ve spoken against attack politics. That’s been my main motivation for getting involved in the political scene.

To improve political behaviour (or any sort of behaviour) people have to be prepared to stand up to it and speak against it, otherwise the Mallards keep getting way with crap and think it’s acceptable. They seem obliviois to the fact that many people regard politicians very poorly – thanks to the likes of him, most politicians actually try to act with respect.

I think what Mallard is doing is disgraceful for any MP, let alone a senior MP.
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May 9, 2012 9:18pm
Luc Hansen

Ok PG

But I’ll be keeping an eye on you.

It’s a lost cause trying to improve political behavior, but good luck, anyway.
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May 9, 2012 9:22pm
philu

john-yob is locked into the age he started his journey to the land of alcohol…

..he has never grown-up/matured..

..this is common amongst constant users of alcohol..

..and this is why he has never ever said anything even faintly interesting…

..he really should get himself to aa…

..plus i have no time for him..

..’cos he is an animal-slaver..

..he makes his money from hurting animals..

..the lowest of the low..

..he makes jokes about fucking sheep..

..yet what he actually does is hurt/kill them..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 9, 2012 9:22pm
Pete George

It’s a lost cause trying to improve political behavior, but good luck, anyway.

If everyone shrugs it away like that, of course it’s a lost cause. But with determination and effort things can change.

But a lot of people have had a gutsful of it. The best response I got at election meetings was talking about improving our democracy. If you want to change entrenched behaviour it isn’t quick or easy, but I’m making progress – five MPs in the last week have contacted me agreeing gotcha politics isn’t acceptable.

But I’ll be keeping an eye on you.

Ah, yeah, great, or something. Weird thing to say?
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May 9, 2012 9:31pm
Viking2

http://www.youtube.com/v/LuVPnW0s3Vo?hl=en&fs=1&autoplay=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/gBnvGS4u3F0?hl=en&fs=1&autoplay=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/mgCIKGIYJ1A?hl=en&fs=1&autoplay=1
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May 9, 2012 9:35pm
Viking2

Home Automation

http://www.youtube.com/embed/xWMkOwq2qIU?rel=0
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May 9, 2012 9:44pm
Griff

I appreciate your sentiment PG
Politics by its very nature is loaded with comprise
however deliberate obscuration is outside of this paradigm
As such should be exposed for the lack on morals that it signifies
from your condemnation of those to the left of KB
I gather that freedom of differing views is more tolerated on KB
than those that are of the (so called inclusive)left
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May 9, 2012 10:02pm
Pete George

Griff, I expose and condemn a lack of political morals wherever I see it, left, right or centre. It’s not confined to one leaning. I’ve criticised Banks, Brash, Key, DPF, Whale…and a few on the left, I’ve also criticised Dunne, and Peters wherever he fits.

In my experience the freedom of expressing differing views is far more tolerated on KB than other blogs I have experienced. It was quite knarly and abusive when I started here about three years ago but I think it is much more participant tolerant here now. DPF is well known for his tolerance of views.

Take what you want from my blog experience:
Kiwiblog – warned once or twice in three years of prolific commenting

Whaleoil – occasionally comment there, have “exchanged views” with Whale but feel free to comment
The Standard – post on a knife edge, warned yesterday, banned several times and ahad a number of warnings

Red Alert – my comments started disappearing yesterday, the first time I’ve commented there since a ban by Mallard a few weeks ago. Attempted message control dominates.

Dimpost – after speaking up against what I thought was a disgraceful link (graphically accusing National of butchering children, yeah, there was some intellectual justification but I didn’t buy that) I was mass attacked and then blocked from responding, I may have been silently banned but no way of knowing.
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