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May 31, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Peter

The glory is mine.
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May 31, 2012 8:01am
graham

Bask in it while ye may …
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May 31, 2012 8:03am
graham

I have decided to simply ignore philu today, unless he makes an effort to grow up and act like a mature adult – yeah, can’t see that happening.

I highly recommend others to do the same. Let’s see if he gets the message that petulant immature posturing is not particularly becoming in a 60-year-old man.
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May 31, 2012 8:06am
Pete George

Key suggests doing nothing.
David Shearer suggests manual labourers should get super sooner.
The Maori Party says Maori should get super sooner. They have a shorter life expectancy.

Using that logic, should women be eligible for Super later than men?

Or should we just cut the politics and work together on a solution? Cross party and cross blog perhaps.
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May 31, 2012 8:13am
philu

(this is very funny..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/president-obamas-marijuana-smoking-past-gets-the-taiwanese-animation-treatment-video-ed-heh-this-is-very-funny/

“..The forthcoming biography of Barack Obama by Davd Maraniss already grabbed the nation’s attention with accounts of the President’s former girlfriends –

– and now even more so as details of his pot-smoking past in Hawaii have emerged.

As it turns out, Obama wasn’t just an occasional smoker –

– but part of a legitimate crew of marijuana enthusiasts (he and his friends called themselves the “Choom Gang” –

– with specific pot-smoking rituals –

– (they often hot-boxed the “Choom Wagon”)…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 8:18am
Scott Chris

Here’s a story you won’t hear much of because it doesn’t fit with ‘the official western narrative’:

A Pakistani doctor was jailed last week for alleged links to a banned militant group – not for helping the CIA to track down Osama Bin Laden, the text of the trial court’s judgement shows.

Whether it is true or not is another matter. Who knows?
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May 31, 2012 8:21am
immigant

NZ is becoming more and more Racist. Fucking race based super!!!???
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May 31, 2012 8:26am
graham

immigant, got a link? I haven’t heard about this.
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May 31, 2012 8:28am
Northland Wahine

Pete G,

Using their logic, lets allocate a tick for each box… Labourer, tick…. Maori, tick… Male, tick… And lets add smoker for measure, tick!

So we have a male Maori labourer that smokes. You can retire at 45! Mind you, if you’re getting $30 ph as Willie Jackson wants to, you could save quite a bit towards your retirement. And yeah, my tongue is firmly in my cheek.
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May 31, 2012 8:28am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/vegan-recipes-22-new-ideas-photos/

“..Not eating meat doesn’t mean foods have to be boring and flavorless.

Vegetables, grains and other forms of proteins can make wonderful meals when you have the right roadmap to prepare them.

For our friends who exclude all types of animal products from their diets – we’ve assembled our favorite vegan recipes.

Below you’ll find all types of wonderful main dishes, including stir-fries, stews, curries, sautes and burgers.

The recipes use mainly tofu, seitan, tempeh and legumes in place of meat – and are also packed with vegetables.

And the most important part is they all have lots of flavor.

Whether you’ve been adhering to a vegan diet for many years – or are just making the switch – these recipes are sure to inspire you to get cooking…”

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 8:29am
Northland Wahine

Graham, both Mana and Maori party wish to introduce it. Because Maori don’t live as long.
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May 31, 2012 8:30am
Scott Chris

For those interested in cricket:

Swing bowling not due to humidity, research suggests

Instead, they have pitched in another idea: that bright sunshine – or the lack of it – is to blame for variation in swing.

“When the ground heats, it makes convection currents which make the air rise off the cricket pitch – that creates turbulence in the air on a sunny day,” Dr James explained.

“On a cloudy day you get stiller air, because you don’t get these convection currents coming off the ground.”

So there you go. Cloud + still conditions = swing.
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May 31, 2012 8:33am
graham

Ah, sorry, I see immigant was talking about Pete’s link.

I think United Future’s approach actually has some merit. Allow people to take superannuation at reduced rates from an earlier age, although I worry about the costs of that.
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May 31, 2012 8:33am
Keeping Stock

“wish to introduce it” being the operative words Wahine; they don’t have a snowball’s chance.
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May 31, 2012 8:34am
graham

So what’s the demographics for Pacific Islanders? I assume they also have a lower life expectancy.

And does it work in reverse for those people who are lucky enough to have a higher life expectancy? Will the Asians in our country (who I assume would have a higher life expectancy) be told they can’t get Super until they’re 75?
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May 31, 2012 8:36am
Northland Wahine

I bloody hope not either KS. Maybe both these parties need to focus their attention on why Maori do die younger… Frying everything in sight and drowning it in cream sure in the hell doesn’t help.
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May 31, 2012 8:36am
graham

Now there’s a radical thought, Northland Wahine – address the root cause of the issue …
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May 31, 2012 8:37am
Pete George

There’s also problems with determining manual labourishness (I manually labour in the weekends) and Maori-ishness etc etc. Should someone with a terminal illness immediately qualify?

Picking short lifers is unworkable. That’s why providing a choice is a better approach, but it’s not without some difficulties either. It’s been criticised for discriminating against the poor.
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May 31, 2012 8:39am
Scott Chris

Young drivers have rubbished plans for compulsory R plates, with one asking, “Are they going to have O plates for old people as well?”

Hmm…not a bad idea.
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May 31, 2012 8:41am
flipper

A reprise (worth pondering) on the Budget and MSM attitudes, from Chriss Lee and Partners, May 28:

“Budget – Thanks to an invitation from the ANZ bank … I attended a post budget presentation by the Minister of Finance, Hon Bill English.

“English is a very good presenter, which made it all the more disappointing for me when shortly after leaving the presentation I experienced both radio and television media zero in on a light hearted moment for a misleading headline.

“When asked by the floor about protests and criticisms about the budget his response was that in his experience reactions had been fewer than ever before in his time as MOF and that perhaps students might learn something from the vigor of Greek student protests.

“This drew a laugh, as you would expect. That was the intention.

“The media however, presented this humour as evidence that the MOF viewed students as greedy and unworthy of more generosity from the government. It was absurd that this moment should reach the headlines or be twisted the way it was.

“If such behaviour had been witnessed of a financial adviser, the Financial Markets Authority would have been knocking on their door with allegations of ‘deceptive and misleading’ before the sun went down.

“Perhaps the media were frustrated by the lack of big headline grabbing changes in the budget.

“Anyway, I didn’t start this paragraph to waste 160 words on media performance.

“Contrary to the headline hunters I was impressed with the budget. It is more about adjusting the attitudes of the nation and making progressive structural change than throwing money round or trying to hit home runs to satisfy the electorate.

“There are no ‘short term fixes’, just leadership on necessary strategies for long-term improvement.

“John Key, and his cabinet, recognise that making significant changes over short time frames is hugely disruptive to a population and therefore to the economy. A government is much more likely to succeed with its goals if it takes us all with them via progressive change in the direction that they perceive to be best for the nation, overall.”

Interesting!
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May 31, 2012 8:42am
Northland Wahine

Or A for Asians or W for women?
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May 31, 2012 8:43am
Chuck Bird

Shock after counsellor approves underage relationship

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/shock-after-cyf-counsellor-approves-underage-relationship-4904575

Some fuck wit lawyer aided and abetted ths sexually abuse of a 14 year old girl.
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May 31, 2012 8:43am
philu

how about a ‘d’ for dickheads…?

..and shouldn’t ex-mp crims have to warn as well..?

..maybe a ‘g’..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 8:47am
Northland Wahine

Yeah I saw that story too Chuck. I see another teen applying for benefit in the near future.
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May 31, 2012 8:54am
flipper

Hmnnn… Never agreed with chrissie wussie before. But perhaps we could add RM (red melons), GF (greenfax), Dk (mallard)
LH, P(w)H, MM and SC, to the list.

I would not object to FLIP, and I doubt there would screams of outrage from DPF.
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May 31, 2012 8:58am
Keeping Stock

Phil; I don’t swear often, but bugger off; your obsession with David Garrett has long since become tiresome, and you ruin this post day after day with your smears and hypocrisy. Do us all a favour, before DPF bans you for eight months.
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May 31, 2012 8:59am
joana

So many Asian men are heavy smokers I doubt whether they will have a longer life expectancy. Chinese have a tendency towards stroke but with all the smoking they greatly increase their heart disease rates…Funny how so many heavy smokers are allowed to move here when Tariana is on her smoke free campaign , but then as Treasury so tactfully put it , many smokers never live long enough to incur national super..
I query all these figures because different things have been said over the years..Anyone know any facts?
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May 31, 2012 9:01am
philu

well stock..as i retaliate..and everyday is not groundhog day…(see yesterdays’ thread..)

..maybe you should address that request to him..?..to his ‘obsession’…?

..to his ‘smears and hypocrisy’…?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 9:06am
graham

Yeah, not too sure joana – so far as I know, stats in New Zealand are gathered for Maori and non-Maori, male and female, rich and poor. In other words, no other nationalities.
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May 31, 2012 9:08am
graham

If you have a floating rate mortgage, try twisting your bank’s arm. Right now is a great time to haggle with them. A colleague at work made a couple of phone calls and got 1% shaved off his mortgage on the first phone call without really trying. He’s now phoning around other banks to see how good a deal he can get.

Also see:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10809729

“Banks go to war on mortgages”
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May 31, 2012 9:19am
philu

(for stock:..from last night..)

“..PHILLIP URE…former armed robber, long term beneficiary, and now by his own admission, the holder of at least two identities and the documents to establish them! ..”

(and..)..”..I know how utterly maddening the brain damaged runt is! It’s OK! We all feel your pain…we are all sufferers of “philophobia” (def: ‘a passionate dislike of parasitic leeches who presume to lecture others on their failings and past mistakes; a condition where one is unable to control a compulsion to try and show parastic leeches the errors of their ways or positons’ )..”

(and..)

“..Brain damaged or mentally ill ..”

so..y’know..you really are just blowing it out yr butt with yr ‘poor garrett’..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 9:22am
wreck1080

Cyfs is a corrupt organisation.

After watching close-up last night.

Cyfs are basically protecting the rights for adults to have sex with children.

Everyone should watch it. I still cannot believe CYFS would behave like this.
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May 31, 2012 9:28am
dime

So the Maori party want super earlier cause they die younger.. they cant stand the fact that they are missing out on that extra bit of free money???

Dimes counter – maori contribute far less to the tax take so fuck em
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May 31, 2012 9:31am
graham

Don’t hold back there, dime, just say what you think 🙂
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May 31, 2012 9:32am
philu

so..k.s…just getting a fix on yr position here:..

..so it is ok for rightwing scumbag/douchebags to make up/say whatever they like/attack my child..

..phone winz every few days.with ever-escalating hysterical accusations against me…

..get his pet/tame winz employee to mount a jihad against me…

..but i should just shut up..eh..?

..fucken dream on sailor..!

..eh..?

..that poisonous/lying little fucken oink deserves/asks for all he gets..and more..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 9:36am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/global-co2-emissions-hit-new-record-in-2011-keeping-world-on-track-for-devastating-11%C2%B0f-warming/

“…The scientific literature now makes clear that even 7°F warming would destroy the livable climate 7 billion people have come to depend upon…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 9:59am
Northland Wahine

Phil… I’m no ones pet. And as I said before, at no time has your record been accessed by myself. I initially attempted to converse with you, I held no judgement. You however suggested that I’m a masochist wanting to re enact white settler, dusky maiden fantasies. Racist and sexist, much?

You continue to address me with a abuse, even when I don’t even post or address you…

Phil… Again, I invite you to make a difference to the lives of those you say you represent, you tirelessly work towards informing them towards a better life. Come to South Auckland.

Come and meet the single parents that are working their butts off to provide a better future for their kids, and tell them they are abandoning their children by working. Come tell the low income families that it isn’t ok for them to slog their guts out to send their children to private schools, that they are sell outs. Come call some 6 foot plus 120 kilo PI that eating meat is wrong and he should embark on a vegan diet…

Because you know what’s best for us, Phil. Seeing as you’ve been to uni and all. And we’re just dumb brown chil’ens that don’t know any better.
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May 31, 2012 10:00am
wreck1080

OMG, yet another thread hijacked by this psycho.

DPF, perhaps a daily posting limit would be handy?
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May 31, 2012 10:00am
philu

oh..?..so now i’m a racist..?

that’s a new wrinkle..

one to add to the living in a bat cave/eyes that glow at midnight -collection..

(and as an aside..given the obesity epidemic amongst p.i’s…

..them all going vegan would solve that problem in one fell swoop..

..you can’t see that..?..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 10:12am
tom hunter

Speaking of not holding back, it seems the Polish Foreign Minister and Prime Minister have had a gutsful of the moron known as President Obama and are demanding something a little more meaningful than a rote apology from some administrative flunky – White House shrugs off Polish apology demands:

“I am convinced that our American friends can today allow themselves a stronger reaction than a simple expression of regret from the White House spokesman — a reaction more inclined to eliminate once and for all these kinds of errors,” Tusk told reporters in Warsaw.

“Today, this is a problem for the reputation of the United States,” the prime minister said.

No kidding. Foreign Minister Sikorski had preceded this statement with his own:

“The White House will apologize for this outrageous error,” Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski tweeted. Sikorski said that Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk “will make a statement in the morning. It’s a pity that this important ceremony was upstaged by ignorance and incompetence.”

Hardly a surprise though, given the degree of ignorance and incompetence that exists in the Obama administration.

The whole kerfuffle started when Obama gave a speech celebrating the awarding of the Presidential Medal of Freedom to a now-deceased Polish war hero who personally got word of the Nazi death camps to FDR during WWII, after witnessing what was happening first hand.

In his written, teleprompted speech, Obama referred to the “Polish Death Camp”. This was no off-the-cuff remark to reporters in a press conference. It’s incredibly bone-headed and stupid. So much for “Smart Diplomacy”.

We seem to have had a whole spate of left-wing leaders over the past few years who have been hailed by left-wing commentators are “brilliant”, “smart”, “informed”, “subtle”, yada, yada, yada. In Australia it was the Mandarin speaking genius that was Kevin 07, preceded by the nearly insane Mark Latham who was lauded in his day, followed by the working class barrister, Julia, who combined working class grit with high IQ and solid leftist credentials. In Britain it was Tony Blair in ’97, then Brown who were hailed as tough, smart hombres: at least in Blair’s case that proved true, but did not save him from condemnation when articulate smarts chose war in Iraq.

And of course in the US it was “the smartest President ever”; Obama, the guy who claimed that he was smarter on policy than his policy wonks, a better speechwriter than his speechwriters, and might even be a better Chief of Staff than the ones he hired (I see he’s now claiming that he knows more about Judaism than any other President). What an arrogant putz.

The scales seem to have fallen from lefty eyes on a lot of other issues about Obama, so has it yet happened with regard to his intelligence? Or are lefties still willing to claim – in the face of yet another incredibly stupid, offensive blurt from Obama, following on from several years of such – that he’s smarter than the villified moron, GW?

Whether lefty opinions about Obama’s intellectual capabilities (not to mention his “gifted” oratory) have changed I can bet that it won’t stop the next left-wing leader who emerges anywhere, from being hailed as the new genius. It seems to be a feature of left-wing ideology: no wonder every communist regime has developed a cult of personality.
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May 31, 2012 10:16am
David Garrett

Wahine…Wahine….everyone else was doing so well!
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May 31, 2012 10:18am
kowtow

It’s not super annuation as one does not contribute directly to it. So before you talk about who can draw it and when ,why don’t you get that straight first?

It’s a non contributary state (taxpayer funded) old age pension.
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May 31, 2012 10:18am
Lucia Maria

Obama said “Polish death camps”!

I’m stunned.
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May 31, 2012 10:19am
wikiriwhis business

Obama cancelling 2012 elections (Ron Paul getting too hot?)

http://weeklyworldnews.com/politics/21883/obama-cancels-midterm-elections-2/
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May 31, 2012 10:22am
Northland Wahine

Mr Garrett… I’m using the excuse I’m poorly so… Neer neer neer… 😉

And back to our normal transmission…
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May 31, 2012 10:26am
Jack5

Private grief as public theatre.

I don’t much like the politics of Radio NZ’s “National” Programme.

However, I was saddened this morning on its news to hear it joining the TV emotion vultures by broadcasting the grief stricken murmurings of the parents of the triplets killed in the Middle East fire.

If anyone needs a shield to grieve in privacy away from the ears and eyes of a morbid public, it is these parents. After sweet talk from a reporter, they might be persuaded to believe what they are doing in crying to the reporters is the right thing to do. But surely they are too vulnerable to make a reasoned, independent choice so soon after their family tragedy.

In my view what Radio NZ “National” did this morning, and what TV and the rest of the MSM are doing, is catering to the low human instinct that had crowds waiting to watch the guillotine executions in the French revolution. Many of the women waiting knitted between “chops”.

Radio “National” with its funds from the taxpayer, doesn’t need to descend to this.
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May 31, 2012 10:28am
James Stephenson

I’m stunned.

You mean you thought what he reads from the autocue, actually travels through his brain before he speaks the words?
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May 31, 2012 10:30am
Lucia Maria

James,

When you put it like that …
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May 31, 2012 10:34am
mikenmild

Aw tom, mething you doth protest too much. The slip ‘Polish death camps’ really leads you to doubt the President’s intellectual capacity? Not just blinded by faux ideological hatred? Nearly as funny as calling Obama ‘left wing’. Why don’t you just denounce him as a ‘socialist’ as well and go completely over the edge?
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May 31, 2012 10:34am
Jack5

Philu posted at 10.12:

oh..?..so now i’m a racist..?

Well, a grammar racist, Phil.

You’ve enslaved fullstops and discriminated against commas, and stripped capital letters of their rights.
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May 31, 2012 10:35am
tom hunter

Obama cancelling 2012 elections …

Oh god, another candidate for RIP, and I see WeeklyWorldNews is as smart as ever: “midterm” elections are so-called because they are in the middle of the Presidential elections, of which 2012 is one.

FFS. Idiot and Idiots.
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May 31, 2012 10:38am
graham

Folks, I have decided to simply ignore philu today, and highly recommend others to do the same. Let’s see if he can get the message that petulant immature posturing is not particularly becoming in a 60-year-old man.
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May 31, 2012 10:38am
wikiriwhis business

Bilderbergers using bomb scare to keep jounalists and protestors even further from their venue

http://www.prisonplanet.com/source-bilderberg-planning-fake-bomb-threat.html
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May 31, 2012 10:39am
David Garrett

Mikey: Polish death camps is not actually a slip…some of the worst death camps – I think maybe even including Auchwitz? – were in then-occupied Poland. They certainly are “back” in Poland now.

Saw a short snip of footage of little kids showing their tattooed arms on the History channel last night…even after seeing the same clip 1000 times it is still horrific isnt it?
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May 31, 2012 10:40am
Nookin

Graham — 8.06 & 10.38.

Someone give you 100 lines for encouraging the leech?
I agree with your approach, though. I wish others would do the same. I do not have much time to post but read GD regularly. The last weeek has been one big bore and waste of time. It is hard to believe the wasted space taken up by the resident abuser.
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May 31, 2012 10:43am
graham

wikiriwhis business: Quite a good idea if it keeps those slimy journalists away 🙂
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May 31, 2012 10:44am
mikenmild

David – apparently the Poles are a bit sensitive about saying ‘Polish death camps’ rather than ‘Nazi death camps in Poland’.
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May 31, 2012 10:45am
graham

@ Nookin: How’d you guess? 🙂
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May 31, 2012 10:45am
Northland Wahine

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10809715

Tie her bloody tubes already.
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May 31, 2012 10:45am
wikiriwhis business

Chris Christie to move ahead with sports gambling in NJ despite legal actions

http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/25/new-jersey-sports-betting/
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May 31, 2012 10:45am
graham

Steve (North Shore) posted about gen4energy last night on GD. I found it very interesting. One question, though (I know very little about nuclear energy in general, so bear with me) – what happens to the waste? That is what chiefly worries me about nuclear energy.

All I could see on the site is that after operating for ten years, the system is allowed to cool for one to four years, and then returned sealed to the assembly facility. So I assume there is still some form of nuclear waste to be disposed of?

Anyone know?
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May 31, 2012 10:47am
tom hunter

Not just blinded by faux ideological hatred?

Whereas you would not have reached the same conclusion had it been Bush who uttered something that dumb? And of course we actually do have a very comparable example from history, in the “slip” that President Ford made about the Poles in a 1976 debate with Jimmy Carter – and we all know how high the left-wing’s regard for Ford’s IQ was.

In any case I don’t judge the man on a mere “slip” from a free-wheeling press conference or interview; all politicians have such moments. But this was a prepared speech, added to other such events like as “corpseman”, referring to the Falkland Islands as the Maldives, and countless others.

Come on milky: imply once again that you’re balanced, fair and objective by telling me that you think Obama is as smart as a whip.

P.S. I love the he’s not a real left-winger/socialist nonsense that gets trotted out every time one of these lefty heroes is found to have feet of clay. As it went with Tony, Gordon, Kevny, and now Julia.
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May 31, 2012 10:49am
Scott Chris

Heh, political correctness rears its ugly head again.

Should be Nazi Death Camps in Poland not Polish Death Camps.

Or say, the Hutu Genocide in Rwanda, not the Rwandan Genocide, or the American Invasion of Vietnam, not the Vietnam War.

(apologies to the non-Akazu Hutus – you haven’t kicked up enough of a fuss yet for us to consider your feelings)
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May 31, 2012 10:52am
Akaroa

Jack5 at 1028 posted his disgust about the way RNZ broadcast “the grief stricken murmurings of the parents of the triplets killed in the Middle East fire”

Yes, we heard that too, and join Jack5 in condemning such lowest-common-denominator blatant appeal to the sensitivities of its listeners.

When we hear an interviewee reduced to tears we imagine the radio news staff and reporters in the studio high five-ing each other for having reduced the subject to on-air sobbing.

Unfortunately this broadcasting of the sobbing breakdown of some unfortunate or other who has suffered a mighty personal blow is becoming, or has become, all too common.

I’m reminded of the old saying that “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”

Well in this case, broadcasting the tearful sobbing of a victim is the lowest level or ‘Last Refuge’ of public broadcasters lacking the professional ability to air more appropriate and sensitive coverage which protects the dignity and privacy of the victims whilst informing the listening public.

Its an easy cop-out for a lazy broadcaster who is apparently incapable of presenting news in a manner that doesn’t rely for impact on such gimmicky elements as tears.
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May 31, 2012 10:52am
wikiriwhis business

Big banker put on Warren commission to ‘investigate’ Kennedy assassanation

http://www.dailypaul.com/236653/hey-banksters-we-mourn-the-fallen-heroes-you-took-from-us?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailypaul%2FFClq+%28The+Daily+Paul+-+Ron+Paul+for+President+2012%29&utm_content=FaceBook&utm_term=Ron+Paul
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May 31, 2012 10:57am
mikenmild

If tom had provided actual evidence of Obama’s intellectual inability, rather than trot out some speaking errors, that might be the basis for a debate. Any evidence that Obama is a ‘left winger’ could also be entertaining. Or he could just stay with ‘Obama is a Democrat, so there must be something really wrong with him’. You must be quite tempted to join the birthers.
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May 31, 2012 10:58am
philu

“..You’ve enslaved fullstops..”

but in doing so..i have liberated words…see..?

“.. and discriminated against commas..”

don’t get me started on that effete/over-used/simpering excuse for punctuation…

..it should be banned forthwith…

..if we talked like the number of commas overused by most in their writing..pausing for each of the cowering-imperatives..we would be talking like staccato machine guns…

“.. and stripped capital letters of their rights…”

..what ‘rights’..?..the capital letter is a class-riddled consolation prize for the peasants…

….it’s ok..you aren’t one of us..a sir or a lord…but you can call yrslf ‘mister’…(with a capital letter of course.)…there you go peasant..be happy with yr false honorific…

..and they had to be used at the beginning of sentences..because of the cost of paper…

..with internet white space a gloriously huge area to gambol in…that imperative has also now gone…

..and in fact..you will find that every capital letter…is utter bullshit…and not needed..

..and they are so brutish and ugly..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 10:59am
philu

“..Jack5 at 1028 posted his disgust about the way RNZ broadcast “the grief stricken murmurings of the parents of the triplets killed in the Middle East fire”..”

i have found the television coverage of this tragedy to be some of the worst tragedy-voyuerism i have ever seen…

..and bordering on obscene/unwatchable..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 11:03am
philu

“..You must be quite tempted to join the birthers…”

he has the application on his desk..as we speak…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 11:07am
graham

Jack5 and Akaroa: I agree. Journalists seem to feel it necessary to hound victims and their families at their lowest, most vulnerable points, and it is wrong. We can imagine their grief, we don’t need to see it in glorious colour and listen to it in high fidelity.

I wonder how often people ask to be left to grieve in private, and are simply ignored, all for the sake of ratings?
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May 31, 2012 11:08am
labours a joke

“and bordering on obscene/unwatchable..”

much like phil ure..whoar.. eh ?
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May 31, 2012 11:16am
bhudson

To those that call others out when they point out Obama’s gaffes, it seems there’s a bit of it flying the other way on the interweb.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/7021500/Romneys-new-campaign-app-misspells-America

A case of pot, kettle, balck…
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May 31, 2012 11:24am
dime

“American Invasion of Vietnam” ??

Polish Death Camps sounds like it was set up by the Poles and they were killing people.

I have no doubt Obama misspoke. shit happens. say sorry and move on. (normally hes quick to apologise for americas history)
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May 31, 2012 11:29am
wikiriwhis business

Read this about the Anglican fund raising for the Cathedral

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7018946/Church-silent-on-trip-cost?comment_msg=posted#post_comment
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May 31, 2012 11:33am
KevinH

Due to the short life expectency of Maori men who die earlier than Euro men consideration should be given to establishing a fund that will allow Maori to access super earlier. I would set up a fund that Maori contribute to and call it Maorisaver and operate it along the lines of Kiwisaver.
The fund would be kick started by whanau ora and Maori will contribute and self fund this super initiative.
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May 31, 2012 11:35am
dime

I clicked over to parliament tv last night.

An MP was speaking. some chick. had no idea who she was or what party. she started OK. then became one of the most over expressive smug b*tches ive ever seen.

the sort of persona that would appeal if you were on her side. but if you were in the middle or the other side its just off putting.

it turned out to be some labour hack called Moana Mackey.

i was relieved she wasnt national
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May 31, 2012 11:48am
Scott Chris

A case of pot, kettle, black…

Bhudson, fact is they’re as bad as eachother, but each side’s respective supporters are only able to see the mote in their adversary’s eye rather than their own’s plank.

Partisan conditioning or human condition – take your pick. (or take the piss like I do)
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May 31, 2012 11:48am
David Garrett

Dime: well, if one was a cretin without the most basic knowledge of 20th Century history one might thing the POLES had set up death camps…mind you, when senior New Zealand students arent really sure which side NZ was on in WW II, and the best guesses are “the Americans?” then I guess you might be right…
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May 31, 2012 11:49am
Harriet

“…when senior New Zealand students arent really sure which side NZ was on in WW II, and the best guesses are “the Americans?” then I guess you might be right…”

That mentality is not surprising –

The NZ Left always wanted a ‘war on religion’ but when it finally came time to fight it, they refused, knowing that they’ed have to fight on the side of NZ – and G W Bush.
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May 31, 2012 12:02pm
joana

Kevin H
More information on where all the Whanau Ora money is coming from would be appreciated? Is is being taken from health , education budgets..See my comment yesterday in the article re Winston questioning the 5 million spent last year on ”Family reunuions.” Separatism is the high road to nowhere.
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May 31, 2012 12:04pm
Chuck Bird

I was glad to see a few people comment on the link below.

Shock after counsellor approves underage relationship

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/shock-after-cyf-counsellor-approves-underage-relationship-4904575

However, I note many of the liberals so concerned about the right of homosexuals to adopt children do not have the same concern about the sexual abuse of a 14 year old girl by a number of adult males who CYF and the Family Court have protected.

It will be interesting in the near future to find out who the counsellor is as well as a well known TV presenter.
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May 31, 2012 12:08pm
bhudson

However, I note many of the liberals so concerned about the right of homosexuals to adopt children do not have the same concern about the sexual abuse of a 14 year old girl by a number of adult males who CYF and the Family Court have protected.

How do you “note” that Chuck? I don’t see any comments on that story, or any thread here on KB, where “many of the liberals so concerned about the right of homosexuals to adopt children” state that they are not concerned about that case. Are you keeping the evidence to yourself for some reason?
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May 31, 2012 12:22pm
travellerev

Here is my Open letter to John Key about his trip to Europe where he wants to get first hand knowledge about the financial situation. I argue he already knows and should keep our tax money where it belongs; here in New Zealand instead of gallivanting all over the place finding out shit he already knows .
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May 31, 2012 12:27pm
Chuck Bird

bhudson I commented first at May 31st, 2012 at 8:43 am with a link.

I would have thought that a few of the liberals on this KB would have seen Close Up last night.

It is going to be interesting to find out the sexual preference of the counsellor who often are pretty relaxed about adult child sex.

Did you see Close Up on TV or on the net?
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May 31, 2012 12:36pm
Harriet

Grow up !

Where adults are concerned, there is no such thing as child sex, rather, it’s child abuse !
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May 31, 2012 12:44pm
Scott Chris

I note many of the liberals so concerned about the right of homosexuals to adopt children do not have the same concern about the sexual abuse of a 14 year old girl by a number of adult males who CYF and the Family Court have protected

Nah Chuck, it’s just that some liberals can smell crap, unbalanced sensationalist reporting from a mile off.

I suspect the ‘CYF approved councellor’ and CYF themselves have a very different take on what actually happened.

That’s not to say the councellor didn’t fuck up (they should all be registered) but let’s wait for the whole story to come out eh?
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May 31, 2012 12:45pm
Griff

Homophobia alert warning warning homophobic Cristian posting warning warning chuck hates homo’s warning warning

Is not it a criminal offense to have sex with an underage girl?
would not this so called councilor be liable for aiding and abetting a criminal offense?
Why no referral to the police? why no arrest for statutory rape?
cyfs is one sick organization if this has occurred as reported
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May 31, 2012 12:48pm
Chuck Bird

Scott, did you see the show?
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May 31, 2012 12:50pm
dime

Caught a bit of “willie & JT” at lunch time. Apparently if 60k has been wasted in whanau ora then its just a “blight”. Course if it was anything to do with national or act they would be “rotten mongrels” and williw would get in something about “john keys mates”.

anyway,

they talk about how much work they do in south auckland and west auckland etc good for them. the programs sound quite good. my question though:

whanau ora is maori only?

do any other poor people have any programs like this? or is it race based charity and help?
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May 31, 2012 1:05pm
tom hunter

You must be quite tempted to join the birthers.

Heh, heh, heh.

Sounds like someone is just desperate to play the deligitimisation game – which is why the Obama campaign wet themselves with delight when Trump hosted some fundraiser for Romney the other day. By contrast, being associated with Al Sharpton or Corzine is apparently not something that Obama has to disavow. In short, the issue is not one of political correctness but the double standards applied, to whit:

If tom had provided actual evidence of Obama’s intellectual inability, rather than trot out some speaking errors, that might be the basis for a debate.

My point – which I’m absolutely sure you get, and hence want to avoid – is that “speaking errors” were absolutely taken as evidence of Bush’s intellectual capability. But somehow Barakus Pompus gets a pass even from left-wingers who claim to have no time for him. That’s my bone of contention. He gets a pass because even if he is a turncoat it’s still absolutely vital that he be seen as a smart, informed guy – because that’s how left-wingers see themselves, and the people they vote for. Anything less than smart might be seen as a reflection on their own intellectual capabilities – and we can’t have that can we?

Any evidence that Obama is a ‘left winger’ could also be entertaining.

Oh milky, you’ve been dancing around this forever on this blog. I can think of several ways in which it could be argued that Obama’s not a left-winger, but they all turn on the usual rat-swallowing that happens in politics. I’d much rather hear from you why he’s a nae a true Scotsman, as the saying goes.
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May 31, 2012 1:09pm
graham

@dime:

Strangely, that’s a hard question to answer. http://www.tpk.govt.nz/en/in-focus/whanau-ora/ defines Whānau Ora as “an inclusive interagency approach to providing health and social services to build the capacity of ALL New Zealand families in need. It empowers whānau as a whole rather than focusing separately on individual family members and their problems.”

So on the one hand it talks about all NZ families … but on the other specifically talks about whānau. Since I have family, not whānau, I guess that lets me out.

But anyway, browse around a few places and you find statements such as “He Korowai Oranga (Māori Health Strategy) defines Whānau Ora as Māori families being supported to achieve their maximum health and wellbeing”. I’d say it’s a safe bet that you have to be Maori to access it.
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May 31, 2012 1:18pm
meh

Trev’s finally lost it and gone full socialist.. I switched off after the first mention of that “spirit level” bollocks the left are so proud of.

http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/05/31/an-interesting-idea/
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May 31, 2012 1:23pm
philu

(sick christians brainwash hate into children..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/childs-aint-no-homos-gonna-make-it-to-heaven-church-performance-goes-viral/

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 1:25pm
philu

(and people with psychiatric-issues should smoke pot…go figure..!..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/study-marijuana-linked-to-lower-mortality-rate-for-patients-with-psychotic-disorders/

“..The use of cannabis is associated with lower mortality risk in patients with schizophrenia and related psychotic disorders – according to a forthcoming study to be published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research. (Read the abstract of the study online here.)

An international team of investigators from the University of Maryland School of Medicine and Inje University in South Korea assessed the impact of a lifetime history substance use on mortality in 762 subjects with schizophrenia or related disorders.

Researchers reported, “[W]e observed a lower mortality risk-adjusted variable in cannabis-users compared to cannabis non-users – despite subjects having similar symptoms and anti-psychotic treatments.”

Authors speculated that the association between marijuana use and decreased mortality risk may be because “cannabis users may (be) higher functioning” –

– and because “cannabis itself may have some health benefits.”

They concluded: “To our knowledge, this is one of the first studies to examine the risk of mortality with cannabis and alcohol in people with PD (psychotic disorders).

This interesting finding of decreased mortality risk … in cannabis users – is a novel finding..”

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 31, 2012 1:30pm
wikiriwhis business

Romney did not win Texas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju4Vyny2BN4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6YM2DUNAG4&feature=related
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May 31, 2012 1:32pm
mikenmild

Oh, tom, you are the master of the non-answer. So you were among those ridiculing Bush? If not, then I fail to see how you could play that game now. Unless you want to say Bush misstatements = intellect, Obama misstatements = ignorance.

You keep calling the Domcrats left wing and i’ll just keep pointing out that they’re well to the right of the National Party
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May 31, 2012 1:33pm
tom hunter

Oh, tom, you are the master of the non-answer.

Looking hard …… more closely ….. But nope, no sign of irony at all!
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May 31, 2012 1:37pm
graham

@ dime continued: There are, of course, loads of initiatives for poor people, but yeah … Whānau Ora are race based. Along with:
– Te Mangai Paho (Maori Broadcasting, supporting 21 Māori radio stations and Māori TV)
– the Māori Potential Fund (which is about realising Māori Potential or Māori succeeding as Māori, in order to better position Māori to build and leverage off their collective resources, knowledge, skills and leadership capability to improve their overall quality of life)
– The Whānau Integration, Innovation and Engagement Fund (WIIE), which is available to help whānau move to greater self reliance and self management by strengthening whānau connections and engagements, developing whānau leadership, and building whānau knowledge, skills and capabilities to achieve their goals and aspirations
– The Māori Business Facilitation Service, which provides advice and guidance to new and existing Māori businesses. Available to those who are of Māori descent.
– The Māori Education Foundation, which awards scholarships to Maori

… and probably quite a few others.

Now, that as such doesn’t worry me. But I do get rather exasperated with those dicks that claim Maori are disadvantaged, without pointing out all the ways that they actually have quite a few advantages and headstarts because they are Maori.
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May 31, 2012 1:41pm
mikenmild

Being unable to recognise irony, I was inclined to give tommy the benefit of the doubt when he raised Obama ‘Polish death camps’ line and linked it to an assessment of his intellect. No I’m just not sure whether tommy believes Obama is stupid and the quote was evidence of that, or he believes he is stupid, but doesn’t have any evidence. It’s interesting; a while ago he was calling Biden the dumbest VP ever, similarly without any evidence.
Maybe tommmy should just stick to “Democrats bad, nyah, nayh, nyah”.
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May 31, 2012 1:44pm
dime

graham – i hope you dont need whanau ora services!

i sit and listen to willie and jt speak about all they do for maori to help them. i wonder if they ever consider that they and their kind are half the problem?

constantly telling maori they arent good enough and the education system is failing them.
constantly telling them they have been ripped off and are owed something etc etc

maori in aussie seem to be doing so much better

is that because the good ones left?

or they just dont hear the bullshit, dont become obsessed with shit that happened two centuries ago and just work like normal people?
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