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May 29, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 29 May 2012

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Dave Mann

Good morning everybody.

The good news is that the gummint is going to slash the Families Commission. This will save money that is being totally wasted on useless Bullshit, right? WRONG…. the fucking idiotic thieving assholes are going to simply ‘redirect the funds’ into ‘research’ into families instead! Utter stupid wasters. Nothing saved. Nothing achieved….. just more bureaucracy wanking at our expense.
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May 29, 2012 8:03am
graham

This’ll annoy the anti-smoking lobby: “Smokers save Govt cash, says report”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10809145

“A Treasury report has admitted that smoking saves the Government money because smokers die earlier and pay more in tobacco tax than their health problems cost.”

So there you go, the answer to our money problems – encourage people to start smoking. (Disclaimer: I have never smoked).
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May 29, 2012 8:08am
philu

anyone else noticed how ‘smiling-john’..has become surly/truculent john…?

..and when he does try to paper over a smile..

..it looks more an attack of rictus…

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 8:15am
Elaycee

Was out of town and missed the fact that it wasn’t Vincent Siemer’s week earlier this month – he was spanked in a Court of Appeal Judgement on 11th May and then just 4 days later he was spanked a second time in the Supreme Court. Haha – but it gets better…. Siemer had to present himself at the clink on 25th May for a six week view from behind bars. Brilliant!

His supporter and adviser (Penny not-so) has now extended her record to 0-7 in the case of this complete muppet.

Oh dear, how sad, tut tut, never mind. 😀
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May 29, 2012 8:19am
Keeping Stock

Here’s another multi-choice question in the ongoing Jones/Liu saga; which of these letters would be most likely to cause Shane Jones to make a favourable decision towards Bill Liu?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/tale-of-four-letters.html

And interestingly, Chris Carter wrote his letter on Ministerial letterhead; didn’t Nick Smith lose his job for writing a letter on behalf of someone on Ministerial paper?
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May 29, 2012 8:20am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/how-our-society-has-manifested-the-bullying-epidemic/

“…Bullying is a multi-layered epidemic.

It’s like a disease that cultivates and feeds off of the bloodline of social acceptance and like-minded opinion –

– fueled by fear and pain so deep it is subconscious.

But where exactly does bullying originate?

Hatred is nothing new.

But a reality that we may need to start facing if we are going to solve this issue is that hatred is not innate.

Plain and simply – it is learned.

It manifests from a single or multiple source where a child is listening and watching.

At home, a babysitter’s house, preschool, TV, online, our public figures and leaders – and out in the world.

Our children are little sponges – with no ability to filter for themselves what they should take in or throw out.

Everything they see and hear has an impact and is teaching them how to relate to others in the world and more importantly, how to relate to themselves.

And the mirror they are reflecting back to us reveals an ugly truth that can longer be denied; –

– this epidemic is the result of our society’s relentless intolerance and cruelty toward each other over a period of decades-

– coupled with technology that has desensitized humans from one another…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 8:23am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/messing-with-our-minds-the-ever-finer-line-between-news-and-advertising/

“..The manufacturing of consent is endemic within modern societies.

Throughout history, the need to “persuade and influence” has always been manipulated by those people in power as a means to maintain authority and legitimacy.

In more recent years, the overall manipulation of the mass public mind has become less about making speeches –

– and more about becoming a pervasive presence within the lives of each individual.

Edward Bernays has often been called “the father of public relations,” as it was his teachings and research that spurred the postwar years of propaganda.

Bernays, a nephew of Sigmund Freud, utilized psychological and psychoanalytical ideas to construct an informational system – propaganda – capable of manipulating public opinion.

Bernays, apparently, considered that such a manipulative apparatus was necessary because society, in his regard, was composed of too many irrational elements – the people – which could be dangerous to the efficient mechanisms of power (or so-called “democracy”).

Bernays wrote that, “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society.”[1]

Bearing in mind that Bernays was working in the early 1920s, we can expect the mechanisms of propaganda – mass manipulation – to have progressed to a very advanced degree since then.

Within the context of our modern mass societies, propaganda has morphed into a mechanism for not only engineering public opinion – but also for consolidating social control.

Modern programs of social influence could not exist without the mass media.

Today it exists as a combination of expertise and knowledge from technology, sociology, social behaviorism, psychology, communications and other scientific techniques.

Almost every nation needs a controlled mainstream media if it is to regulate and influence its citizenry.

By way of the mainstream media, a controlling authority is able to exert psychological influence upon people’s perception of reality…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 8:32am
MT_Tinman

graham (643) Says:
May 29th, 2012 at 8:08 am
(Disclaimer: I have never smoked).

Selfish bastard! 😉
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May 29, 2012 8:34am
graham

True, and I humbly apologise 🙂

But my wife does!
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May 29, 2012 8:36am
joana

Philu
John Key is ill as I have said several times.. even people who do not understand his condition , are commenting on his vastly, altered appearance. I do not wish anyone ill. No job is worth sacrificing one’s health for ; even the top job in the country..He has a lovely family. He should step down and spend time with them.
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May 29, 2012 8:37am
Keeping Stock

There didn’t seem to be too much wrong with Key when he spoke in the Budget Debate on Thursday. He absolutely slayed the current Leader of the Opposition.
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May 29, 2012 8:48am
hj

Phil U
Says:
“Modern programs of social influence could not exist without the mass media.

Today it exists as a combination of expertise and knowledge from technology, sociology, social behaviorism, psychology, communications and other scientific techniques.

Almost every nation needs a controlled mainstream media if it is to regulate and influence its citizenry.

By way of the mainstream media, a controlling authority is able to exert psychological influence upon people’s perception of reality…””
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Yes you don’t see many big flashy advertisments about cycling, but you do see a Nissan 4×4 out in the morning like the Lone Ranger and a rat creeping onto a train.

but influence comes from the left as when the right (property developers and investors) welcome and justify population growth as good for everybody, while the left pour scorn on anyone who questions levels of inward migration.
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May 29, 2012 8:55am
philu

“..John Key is ill as I have said several times….”

what is he ill with/from..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 8:55am
Keeping Stock

He’s probably sick of the abuse/vitriol that he gets from the likes of you Phil.
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May 29, 2012 8:58am
graham

@ Elaycee: Penny ‘whatever’ seems to have acquired a cheerleader called anticorruptionnz (who I believe is really a Private Investigator Grace Haden, who is the director of Transparency New Zealand and Verisure Limited), who got really annoyed at me for accusing Penny of stealing on the Shane Jones thread yesterday. When I pointed out the evidence, which includes Penny bragging about it and posting a video of it, she got even more annoyed …
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May 29, 2012 8:58am
philu

“..He’s probably sick of the abuse/vitriol that he gets from the likes of you Phil…”

yeah right..

but his heart is definitely no longer in it..you can see that..

(you can see him edging closer and closer to that moment when he goes:..’fuck this shit..!’..and throws his arms in the air..

..and walks out the door..)

..he should go..go and count/play with his money..(esp. even more so if the ill-health claims are at all credible..)..

..and then we would get either joyce or collins..

..and either will deliver/guarantee national a defeat of english proportions…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 9:04am
Pete George

Jane Clifton wrote on The Conservative Party: Creative creationists?

The “polls” that catapulted the Conservatives into prominence barely deserve the name.

The source of the word about the poll? The Conservative Party, which had its eye on Act’s voters – such as they were by then. Then word got around of another poll, showing Craig ahead in the Rodney electorate. Source of the poll? Again, the Conservative Party. Well, good news should be shared, shouldn’t it?

In the rush of the election campaign, the provenance of the polls was never examined by the media.

There was one small poll during the election on Ohariu that resulted in reports of uncertainty for Peter Dunne’s prospects. Was this the kneecapping of United Future?

It wasn’t the only thing affecting the outcome, but it could have been significant. Not only do media neglect to look at the whole picture, they make stories out of their own polls.
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May 29, 2012 9:05am
Yvette

joana – John Key is ill as I have said several times.. even people who do not understand his condition

This ‘condition’ does not seem to be particularly obvious as you appear to be the only one aware of it. So what do you believe the Prime Minister to be suffering from?
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May 29, 2012 9:23am
philu

with the first questioning of joyce/collins of course to be:..

..are they actually human..?

..or do we have droids ready/in place to grasp for power…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 9:25am
philu

checking for any protruding wires…and a scan for signs of an internal hard-drive..

..would be an obvious first step…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 9:29am
philu

so..joana..are your claims of a key-illness..

..a manifestation of yr psychic-powers..?

..do you just ‘know’..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 9:31am
dime

Day 2 of Dimes 12 week to greatness.

Youre all gonna suffer along with me haha

Feeling pretty good too 🙂
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May 29, 2012 9:37am
Keeping Stock

At 9.04am, Phillip Ure says:

“..He’s probably sick of the abuse/vitriol that he gets from the likes of you Phil…”

yeah right..

At 9.25am, Phillip Ure says:

with the first questioning of joyce/collins of course to be:..

..are they actually human..?

..or do we have droids ready/in place to grasp for power…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

I rest my case 🙂
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May 29, 2012 9:38am
meh

What’s on the radar today Dime?

Today is the day for ATG squats… can’t say I’m looking forward to the aftermath :p
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May 29, 2012 9:38am
Carlos

@ Dime

Are you doing some training program? What are ATG squats?
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May 29, 2012 9:41am
publicwatchdog

Seems you may have missed this Elaycee?

“22 May 2012

‘OPEN LETTER’ to New Zealand Attorney-General Chris Finlayson

Dear Attorney-General,

On Friday, 25 May 2012, Vince Siemer, fellow ‘Public Watchdog’ and ‘whistleblower’ against NZ judicial lack of accountability, ‘conflicts of interest’, and corruption, has been ordered ‘ to present himself at Auckland Remand Prison at 9 am on 25 May 2012 to commence serving his term of six weeks imprisonment’ – for reporting the fact that Judge Winkelmann secretly denied the Urewera ‘Operation 8’ defendants trial by jury.

“IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF NEW ZEALAND CA607/2011 [2012] NZCA 188

BETWEEN VINCENT ROSS SIEMER Appellant AND THE SOLICITOR-GENERAL Respondent

Hearing: 1 February 2012
Court: O’Regan P, Harrison and Wild JJ

Counsel: T Ellis and G K Edgeler for Appellant
M F Laracy and G J Robins for Respondent
Judgment: 11 May 2012 at 10 am

JUDGMENT OF THE COURT

A The appeal is dismissed.

B The appellant is to present himself at Auckland Remand Prison at 9 am on 25 May 2012 to commence serving his term of six weeks imprisonment.

C There will be no order as to costs.”
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As New Zealand’s constitutionally ‘highest lawyer in the land’, please advise the public in general and myself in particular, which LAW allows any NZ Judge to suppress a JUDGMENT or the REASONS FOR THAT Judgment?

If you cannot provide the ‘RULE OF LAW’ that allows any NZ Judge to suppress a JUDGMENT or the REASONS FOR THAT Judgment, then please intervene in the public interest, and revoke or set aside this judgment.

The continued and ongoing persecution of Vince Siemer by the former Solicitor-General, David Collins QC, makes me ashamed to be a New Zealander.

I have also publicised decisions (unlawfully) suppressed by Judge Winkelmann, yet I have never been served with ‘contempt’ proceedings.

If you are going to allow Vince Siemer to be jailed for publicising decisions (unlawfully) suppressed by Judge Winkelmann – then jail me – because I have done the same.

But-please be advised, if you do so, expect a long overdue national and international public spotlight to shine on our NZ Judiciary – which – in my considered opinion, is simply ‘out of control’.

NZ Judges are not bound by any enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’, and are effectively a’above the law’ – without consequences.

There is no ‘Register of Pecuniary Interests’ for NZ Judges.

Court proceedings are regularly not recorded.

How can ‘justice be done or be seen to be done’ – if there is no Court record of what was done?
How can a ‘Court of record’ not keep a record?

I am prepared to equally present myself at Auckland Remand Prison at 9 am on 25 May 2012, along with Vince Siemer.

Hopefully, this will not be necessary, and you will ensure that LAWFUL due process is followed, and revoke or set aside this judgment.

The world will be watching – I will see to that.

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010 ”

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In the event, Vince Siemer did not have to ‘present himself at Auckland Remand Prison at 9 am on 25 May 2012 to commence serving his term of six weeks imprisonment’.

His lawyer, Tony Ellis is seeking leave to appeal to the Supreme Court, so Vince Siemer has been granted bail whilst he is awaiting this decision.

For anyone wanting to understand why Vince Siemer is so unpopular with so many of the NZ judiciary, particularly the former Solicitor-General David Collins QC – check out his website for yourself – http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz

Penny Bright
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May 29, 2012 9:43am
meh

@carlos ATG = arse to grass or basically squatting so that your thighs go below parallel with the ground.

Squats are the cornerstone of any heavy weight routine (or powerlifting routine)

For an intro read up at http://www.stronglifts.com – lots of good info for beginner / intermediate lifters.
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May 29, 2012 9:48am
Carlos

@ Meh

Ah, so full squats. Thanks for that.
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May 29, 2012 9:52am
labours a joke

“Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010 ”

Stop over rating yourself. Standing outside behind a police cordon yelling abuse doesnt pass as ” attendee “.
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May 29, 2012 9:58am
dime

No gym for Dime today. Slack but I have to meet a stinking real estate agent this evening!

meh – leg day will be friday. i havent squatted in a while. its gonna hurt like a bitch. i peaked last year at 210kg. i want to hit 240kg – same as the all black props!

my deadlift is through the roof but my bench is umm not flash. lots of shoulder work coming up too
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May 29, 2012 10:04am
publicwatchdog

Here you go Graham – some FACTS that may assist you – regarding your allegation of theft of power at Aotea Square?

OPEN LETTER’ TO AUCKLAND COUNCIL’S ACTING MANAGER FOR RISK AND INSURANCE, DAVID MIDDLETON – PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT OCCUPY AUCKLAND ACCESSED POWER AT AOTEA SQUARE AT 2PM .19 December 2011

19 December 2011

David Middleton
Acting Manager
Risk and Insurance
Auckland Council

Dear David,

Given that no attempt was made by Auckland Council to approve our Occupy Auckland Application for access to and payment for power at Aotea Square by 12 noon, Monday 19 December 2011, members of Occupy Auckland kept our word, and connected power ourselves.

There has been no damage caused to any Auckland Council property or fittings in the course of this accessing of power from Aotea Square by members of Occupy Auckland.

Please address Invoices for power used by Occupy Auckland to:

Occupy Auckland
99 Aotea Square
299 Queen Street
AUCKLAND 1010

Occupy Auckland are prepared to pay for power at the same rate as those whom access power at Aotea Square in order to make money from their commercial operations.

Please also be advised of the following ‘health and safety’ considerations of which we believe Auckland Council must be mindful, given your statutory duties as a Territorial Authority under the Health Act 1956:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1956/0065/latest/DLM306680.html?search=ts_act_Health+Act+1956_resel&p=1#DLM306680

23 General powers and duties of local authorities in respect of public health

Subject to the provisions of this Act, it shall be the duty of every local authority to improve, promote, and protect public health within its district.. ”

The ‘health and safety’ considerations of Occupy Auckland, are better served by access to electricity, because if the power supply from a petrol generator is interrupted, then food stored in fridges could be adversely affected.

If Auckland Council has concerns that the petrol from the generator may spill and damage the membrane under the soil – then obviously any possible risk would be completely avoided if electricity was used from the mains instead of the generator.

Also – access to electricity means that exhaust fumes from a petrol-powered generator can be avoided.

We believe that Auckland Council will better help to meet your above-mentioned statutory requirements to ‘improve, promote, and protect public health’ by ensuring Occupy Auckland has ongoing access to power at Aotea Square.

Please also be reminded of the following statutory duties of Auckland Council that also arise from the Local Government Act 2002:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM170879.html?search=ts_act_local+government+Act+2002_resel&p=1#DLM170879

3 Purpose

The purpose of this Act is to provide for democratic and effective local government that recognises the diversity of New Zealand communities; and, to that end, this Act—

(a) states the purpose of local government; and

(b) provides a framework and powers for local authorities to decide which activities they undertake and the manner in which they will undertake them; and

(c) promotes the accountability of local authorities to their communities; and

(d) provides for local authorities to play a broad role in promoting the social, economic, environmental, and cultural well-being of their communities, taking a sustainable development approach

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171803.html?search=ts_act_local+government+Act+2002_resel&p=1#DLM171803

10 Purpose of local government

The purpose of local government is—

(a) to enable democratic local decision-making and action by, and on behalf of, communities; and
(b) to promote the social, economic, environmental, and cultural well-being of communities, in the present and for the
future.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171810.html?search=ts_act_local+government+Act+2002_resel&p=1#DLM171810

14 Principles relating to local authorities

(1) In performing its role, a local authority must act in accordance with the following principles:

(a) a local authority should—

(i) conduct its business in an open, transparent, and democratically accountable manner; and
(ii) give effect to its identified priorities and desired outcomes in an efficient and effective manner:

(b) a local authority should make itself aware of, and should have regard to, the views of all of its communities; and

(c) when making a decision, a local authority should take account of

(i) the diversity of the community, and the community’s interests, within its district or region; and
(ii) the interests of future as well as current communities; and
(iii) the likely impact of any decision on each aspect of well-being referred to in section 10(d) a local authority
should provide opportunities for Māori to contribute to its decision-making processes:

(h) in taking a sustainable development approach, a local authority should take into account—
(i) the social, economic, and cultural well-being of people and communities; and
(ii) the need to maintain and enhance the quality of the environment; and
(iii) the reasonably foreseeable needs of future generations.

(2) If any of these principles, or any aspects of well-being referred to in section 10, are in conflict in any particular case, the local authority should resolve the conflict in accordance with the principle in subsection (1)(a)(i).
____________________________________________________________

Occupy Auckland is a ‘diverse community’, (which is peacefully protesting) whose ‘well-being’ has been arguably affected by the failure to date of Auckland Council to give effect to our desired outcomes in an ‘efficient and effective’ manner.

The Council Liaison Team of Occupy Auckland, look forward to the prompt conclusion of this matter, so that we can pass on to the Occupy Auckland General Assembly on Wednesday 21 December 2011, details of the rates we will be charged for the accessed power.

Kind regards,

………..
………..
………..
…………
………..

Occupy Auckland’s Council Liaison Team”

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
(former member of the Occupy Auckland Council Liaison Team)
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’.

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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May 29, 2012 10:12am
Manolo

A date for the lazy Greeks to leave: http://www.cnbc.com/id/47587509
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May 29, 2012 10:15am
publicwatchdog

“labours a joke (261) Says:
May 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
“Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010 ”

Stop over rating yourself. Standing outside behind a police cordon yelling abuse doesnt pass as ” attendee “.”
________________________________________________________________________________________________

errr…………. There were no Police cordons outside either the Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference I attended in Brisbane 2009, or the Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference I attended in Bangkok in 2010.

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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May 29, 2012 10:17am
Elaycee

“Seems you may have missed this Elaycee? “22 May 2012 ‘OPEN LETTER’ to New Zealand Attorney-General Chris Finlayson”

Nope – I didn’t miss it at all. Because I don’t place any value at all on any of your ‘open letters’. And I suspect that this latest ‘open letter’ will meet the same fate as your other similar ‘efforts’ – total flops. And now you suggest that there will be yet another Appeal by Siemer and co….. ZZZzzzzzzzz At what stage will Siemer be declared a vexatious litigant?

Siemer should accept his numerous convictions / take his medicine / do his time / pay the $825,000 damages to Michael Stiassney as ordered by the Court / pay costs as directed by the Courts.

And his ‘advisers’ should all be sacked. 😀
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May 29, 2012 10:22am
grumpyoldhori

Time to form a smokers rights party, with say 15% of the vote politicians would be real happy to drop the duty on fags if it means they get ministerial cars to sit in the back of waving to the peasants.
Or park a Chinese flagged ship thirteen miles off shore selling fags, no our mighty navy would not go out and put a shot across the bow of any Chinese ship.
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May 29, 2012 10:25am
Manolo

Dear Miss Dim, who paid your airfares to Brisbane and Bangkok? The NZ taxpayer, maybe?
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May 29, 2012 10:26am
graham

Penny.

Fact 1: Regarding my so-called “regarding your allegation of theft of power at Aotea Square”.
If you read the comment I wrote at http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/the_shane_jones_issue.html#comment-975576 I did not allege theft of power. I noted you had THREATENED to steal power, but went on to say “so far as I am aware did not carry this through.” This was based on the minutes I had read from the Occupy General Assembly in November (from memory), where someone called ‘Penny’ stated something like “We should ask the council for power, if not WE’LL TAKE IT!”. I assumed this ‘Penny’ was you; if I am wrong then I apologise. However …

I notice you quite openly admit that you ILLEGALLY connected into the Auckland Council power. Without permission. That, Penny, is stealing in my books. It doesn’t matter that you then arrogantly try to dicate your terms under which you will pay for power. How would you feel if I took something from your house, then sent you a letter saying “Dear Penny, I’ve taken this xyz, here’s what I’m willing to pay for it.”?

Fact 2: I notice you don’t address my original issue with you, which is that you have STOLEN water. I imagine this is because you can’t, as it is an undeniable FACT.
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May 29, 2012 10:32am
publicwatchdog

Thanks for asking Manolo – no – the NZ taxpayer didn’t pay my airfare to Brisbane and Bangkok.

Supporters including family members helped to pay for for airfares and registration fees.

Some people ‘put their money where their mouth is’ when it comes to supporting the fight against ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’?

Cheers!

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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May 29, 2012 10:35am
publicwatchdog

errr…. I have not STOLEN water Graham.

I have helped to unrestrict a water meter for a household who were DISPUTING their water bill, thus helping to defend their basic ‘human right’ to water.

And – I’ll do it again – if necessary.

Thank you for helping to publicise how folks can defend their basic human right to water by advertising the You Tube clip 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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May 29, 2012 10:43am
Carlos

Da da! The Auckland Plan has been released. Downloadable PDF at bottom of page.

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/PlansPoliciesPublications/theaucklandplan/Pages/theaucklandplan.aspx?utm_source=homepage%2Bpromo%2Btile&utm_medium=website&utm_c
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May 29, 2012 10:50am
Elaycee

Clearly, “stealing” to most people somehow means “redistribution of assets” to others….

Elaycee,
Attendee: Eketahuna Sheepdog Trials 1986 (3 guilty)
Attendee: 2nd Test, NZ v Springboks, Wellington 1981.
Attendee: Bill Crowe’s hostess auditions, Oriental Bay, 1984
help://www.save_skunks_from_exploitation.org
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May 29, 2012 10:55am
Scott Chris

Word for today:

Saudade

Portuguese – refers to the feeling of longing for something or someone that you love and which is lost.
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May 29, 2012 10:56am
publicwatchdog

Which of the following proposals do you disagree with Elaycee and Graham?

ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NEW ZEALAND

1. Get our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework in place so NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.

2.Set up an NZ independent anti-corruption body tasked with educating the public and PREVENTING corruption.

3.Change NZ laws to ensure genuine transparency in the funding of candidates for elected public office and political parties at central government, and local government level.

4.Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

6.Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government elected representatives.

7.Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Central Government staff responsible for property and procurement, (including the Ministry of Health), in order to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

8.Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government staff, and Directors and staff employed by ‘Council-Controlled Organisations (CCOs) responsible for property and procurement.

9Make it a lawful requirement for details of ‘contracts issued’ – including the name of the contractor; scope, term and value of the contract to be published in NZ Central Government Public Sector, and Local Government (Council), and ‘Council-Controlled Organisation (CCO) Annual Reports so that they are available for public scrutiny.

10. Make it a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Government, and Local Government public finances be undertaken to prove that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority. If not – then return public service provision to staff directly employed ‘in-house’ and cut out these private contractors who are effectively dependent on ‘corporate welfare’.

11. Legislate for a legally-enforcable ‘Code of Conduct’ for members of the NZ Judiciary, to ensure they are not ‘above the law’.

12. Ensure that ALL NZ Court proceedings are recorded, and audio records made available to parties who request them.

13. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ Judicial ‘Register of Interests’, to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

14. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists’ and ‘Code of Conduct for Lobbyists,at Central Government Ministerial level.

15. Make it a lawful requirement at NZ Central and Local Government level for a ‘post-separation employment quarantine’ period from the time officials leave the public service to take up a similar role in the private sector. (Help stop the ‘revolving door’).

16. Make it a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central or Local Government level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnerships (PPPs).

17. Make it unlawful for politicians to knowingly misrepresent their policies prior to election at central or local government
level.

18. Make laws to protect individuals, NGOs and community-based organisations who are ‘whistleblowing’ against ‘conflicts of interest’ and corrupt practices at central and local government level and within the judiciary.

19. Legislate to help stop ‘State Capture’, a form of ‘grand corruption’ arguably endemic in NZ – where vested interests get their way at the ‘policy level’ before legislation is passed which serves their interests.

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Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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May 29, 2012 11:00am
graham

Penny, you say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to.

Dress it up how you want – you have STOLEN water, offered to help others STEAL water, and now – by your own admission – STOLEN power as part of the Occupy movement.

(I see you also had a go at the Council about ‘Health and Safety’. So I take it Occupy got their own ‘Health and Safety’ issues sorted out, such as the gas cylinders that were stored in the cooking tent …

Please bring the Occupy website back online with all the GA minutes, they were so good for a laugh! :))
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May 29, 2012 11:01am
meh

@Dime well you’re way beyond me…. just back from a workout now currently squatting 122.5kg for 3 sets, down from a max of 132.5 last year… 1rm is a bit higher but I don’t normally test it.

My bench is errr… rather weak.

Now to line up some medium-rare cow for lunch… 😀
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May 29, 2012 11:03am
graham

Hmmm … regarding your post at 11:00 am, Penny …

That relates to you stealing water and power … how, exactly?

Graham
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May 29, 2012 11:05am
Elaycee

Penny – if you are so concerned about the issues listed, then stand for Parliament. Or for mayor. Or for Council. Or even a Ward. Let the voters decide.

Oops….. you’ve tried that. But didn’t quite make it over the margin of error, did you?

Elaycee,
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May 29, 2012 11:10am
Manolo

Surprise, surprise: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/us-britain-queen-poll-idUSBRE84R0LS20120528

Manolo
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May 29, 2012 11:12am
Fletch

I posted this on GD yesterday, but worth posting again –

I recommend anyone who wants to know the REAL agenda behind Occupy, read Occupy: American Spring, by Buck Sexton. Sexton is a former CIA counterterrorism and counterinsurgency analyst, has covered the Occupiers from the start and knows what is really going on.

It’s only 62 pages and cheap for a Kindle ebook. Below is an Amazon reader review –

Buck Sexton gives a truthful answer to how the Occupy Movement came into existence (Hint: It wasn’t spontaneous!) , the tactics they use to manipulate your sensibilities and the media;s, and their goals for a Marxist ‘Revolution’ in America. Mr Sexton writes about his own personal experiences embedded within the group since the very beginning. This eBook is a MUST READ for anyone who wants to learn the truth about Occupy Wall Street.

http://amzn.to/LAxl9W
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May 29, 2012 11:14am
publicwatchdog

What LAW has Vince Siemer ever broken Elaycee?

If NZ Judges ‘exercise judicial discretion’ and make ‘Court Orders’ which are not themselves based upon the RULE OF LAW – should they be obeyed?

In my view – NO.

What’s next?

‘Court orders’ that rule Jewish people should wear a ‘Star of David’?

________________________________________________________

Did you read the considered opinion of Steven Price, in ‘Media Law Journal’ on the highest-ever defamation award in NZ – against Vince Siemer – who was ‘debarred’ from defending himself in Court?

In New Zealand – ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’? ( yeah whatever………)

http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=205

Judge awards highest ever defamation damages

By Steven | January 29, 2009

This news seems to have slipped under the media radar: just before Christmas the courts handed down the highest defamation damages award in NZ’s history.

Cooper J awarded Michael Stiassny and his firm $920,000 damages against Vince Siemer for his long-running attacks on Stiassny, including $900,000 for defamation.

(To recap: those are the attacks that led to the injunction that led to the contempt of court cases that led to Siemer being fined and jailed for breaching the injunction and then let out of jail to argue that he should have been given a jury trial. Judgment’s still pending on that last one).

Those contempt cases also led to a huge award of costs – more than $180,000 – against Siemer (joining many other costs awards against Siemer). He didn’t pay them. So Potter J debarred him from defending Staissny’s defamation case.
So it can’t have been much of a defamation trial.

You had the country’s most famous media lawyer, Julian Miles QC, arguing one side, and on the other…. nothing.
There’s a huge hole in the judgment where the discussion of defences would usually come.
Were the attacks true? Were they simply honest opinion? Were they protected by qualified privilege?
The judge didn’t have to decide.

At one point Cooper J said: “there is no substance in the allegations that Mr Siemer makes”.

The judge really had no place saying that. Siemer has insisted all along that his criticisms are true. He’d been prevented from putting forward evidence to prove them. The judge didn’t know what that evidence might have been.

And that’s surely got to give anyone pause for thought. Nearly a million dollars in damages awarded against someone who was denied the right to present evidence in his own defence. That’s in addition to being sent to jail for contempt for saying things he continues to insist are true, and which have never been disproved, in breach of an injunction he believes was wrongly imposed.

The picture is different from Stiassny’s perspective, of course. Stiassny would say he has been subject to years of false and damaging invective from Siemer, has been forced to spend more than a million dollars on the defamation/breach of contract lawsuit, has won almost every point he argued, and has been granted costs awards in his favour, but Siemer has refused to pay them – and worse, has flouted the court’s injunction and continued to spread his poison. Why should he be put to the expense of a full trial when Siemer won’t pay for the costs of the pre-trial skirmishes – many of which Siemer initiated?
Still, this is a whopping award. It includes aggravated damages ($150,000) and exemplary damages ($25,000).

Not surprisingly, Julian Miles argued that the case was broadly analogous to two other giant NZ defamation awards: $675,000 in the Ray Columbus case and the eventual $650,000 in Quinn, though these involved national publications; Siemer’s statements were made on a short-lived billboard, some fairly obscure websites, and in letters, stickers and notices.
Also not surprisingly, Miles seems to have made no mention of the dozens of other defamation awards, many of them for fairly serious defamations much more widely published than Siemer’s, that came in well under $100,000.

Not surprisingly once again, the entire judgment feels very one-sided. It’s hard to believe that this sum would have been awarded if the case had been fully argued. (And that’s putting aside the question of whether Siemer would have been able to establish a defence). Whatever you think of Vince (and I’ve been critical of him), it’s also hard to be comfortable about the circumstances in which this award was made.

[For completeness, I should note that Terry Quinn was originally awarded $1.5 million by a jury for two defamatory programmes, but the damages bill was reduced to a total of $650,000 on appeal]. ”

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Check out for yourself Vince Siemer’s side of the story on http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohhasgone.com
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May 29, 2012 11:18am
dime

meh – nice.

day two of my 6-7 meals a day. 2 down, im hungry again. metabolism starting to fire. happy!

wish i could work out around now.
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May 29, 2012 11:18am
graham

Manolo:

“An ITV News/ComRes poll found that 47 percent of those surveyed thought that Britain was not as good a place as before her reign …”

As she’s reigned for 60 years, I wonder how many of those surveyed actually remember back that far? 🙂

Graham
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Attendee: Grand final, sheep racing at Helensville A&P 2011 and 2012
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May 29, 2012 11:20am
graham

publicwatchdog at 11:18 am:

If NZ Judges ‘exercise judicial discretion’ and make ‘Court Orders’ which are not themselves based upon the RULE OF LAW – should they be obeyed?

In my view – NO.

So, in view of Penny’s ‘one law for all’ fetish, if a person – let’s call her ‘Penny’ for argument’s sake – does something which is not based upon the RULE OF LAW (say, for example, oooh, hooking illegally into the Auckland City Council’s power) – should it be allowed?

In my view – NO.

Graham
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Attendee: Grand final, sheep racing at Helensville A&P 2011 and 2012
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May 29, 2012 11:23am
publicwatchdog

Thank you Elaycee.

Yes – I look forward to standing in the upcoming Epsom by-election, (after the resignation of DODGY John Banks), to campaign again on the need for an ACTION PLAN against ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’.

Last November there was no mainstream media coverage of those issues – so I did what I could to help alert the voting public to the fact that John Banks had never been charged as a former fellow Director of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd
for signing Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme registered prospectuses dated 22 August 2008 and 18 September 2009 which contained untrue statements.

Copies of these prospectuses are available on http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz – scroll down to see some photos which I think you’ll enjoy? (maybe not ).

You have LOVELY day 🙂

PS: Enjoying your Auckland $UPERCITY?

Cheers!

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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May 29, 2012 11:29am
wikiriwhis business

Financial terrorist Jamie Dymon of JP Morgan loses what amounts in real terms to US $18 b

This is absolutely huge news and a lot of it is because of silver investors who have hedged against Dymon and Lloyd Blankfein at Goldman Sachs. A huge victory for the common people against the finance terroists

Max Keiser is elated

http://marketday.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/11/11660088-jpmorgans-blunder-amplifies-calls-for-tighter-regulation
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May 29, 2012 11:38am
JeffW

DPF, can you get rid of Penny Dull for being so boring and persistent at it?
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May 29, 2012 11:43am
wikiriwhis business

Here’s some more from The Young Turks on Jamie Dymon: should he be removed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTGvwbmEHtE

Absolutely!!!
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May 29, 2012 11:43am
graham

So, with the photos of Penny defacing billboards, we now have:

– Penny STEALING water
– Penny ILLEGALLY hooking into the Auckland City Council’s power and STEALING it
– Penny DEFACING billboards

I really look forward to the explanation of how this can be reconciled to her post at 11:00 am:

ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NEW ZEALAND

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

Does none of the above breach a ‘Code of Conduct’ Penny? I wonder whose ‘Code of Conduct’ we’re talking about here?

Graham
Attendee: Royal Wedding 2011 (watched it on telly)
Attendee: Grand final, sheep racing at Helensville A&P 2011 and 2012
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May 29, 2012 11:44am
dime

JP Morgan – are they privately owned? US Govt doesnt hold any shares?

The 2 billion loss – that went somewhere right? JP lost, someone else won? The money didnt just evaporate?
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May 29, 2012 11:49am
wikiriwhis business

So now we know where world govt conspiracy denier, Michael Laws gets his hellish inspiration from

As I said, there’s never anything original in the political agenda. They’re all parrots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql6yreKjUdg

Jamie Dymon says Journo’s paid too much
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May 29, 2012 11:49am
Elaycee

“$920,000”

Mea Culpa. Last time I looked, it said $825,000. Doesn’t matter – the Courts have decided. Siemer = Guilty! He needs to Pay up! Do his time! Take his medicine. Front up. Accept he was wrong. And that Stiassney was right all along.

Elaycee,
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May 29, 2012 11:55am
wikiriwhis business

dime, you need to watch financial experts like Max Keiser, Nomi Prinz, Peter Shiff, Gerald Celente to know why this is so big.

These are all people who have been havily involved on Wall St and now speaking out.

Nomi Prinz was a CEO of Goldman Sachs. She is now a phenomenal anti Wall St analyst.

Peter Shiff is called the ‘Oracle’ because he predicted so much of whats happening today back in the 90’s. No one interviews his detractors any more.
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May 29, 2012 11:58am
Dick

How about that stupid fuck Bill English huh?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=10808783
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May 29, 2012 12:00pm
Scott Chris

Russian perspective on the Houla massacre:

Rebels in Syria are partly responsible for the massacre of more than 100 people in the Houla region, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says.

Mr Lavrov, whose government a close ally of the Syrian regime, said some victims had been killed at close range in a district controlled by rebels.
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May 29, 2012 12:03pm
graham

Elaycee: Ok, now I get the ‘skunk’ references. Cruel, very cruel … 🙂
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May 29, 2012 12:04pm
dime

wiki – i just dont care enough. i gotta be honest 🙂

also, i dont trust obama & co with regulating business. best left alone til a republican gets back in
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May 29, 2012 12:09pm
Elaycee

“Ok, now I get the ‘skunk’ references. Cruel, very cruel”

Yeah, I know. But spare a thought for the poor skunk! 😀
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May 29, 2012 12:17pm
adze

I nearly fell off my chair this morning, listening to Rod Oram on RNZ – he actually said something complimentary about the 2012 Budget!
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May 29, 2012 12:23pm
MT_Tinman

Elaycee I will take this opportunity to thank you for not producing a photograph (or link to such) to explain your skunk reference.
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May 29, 2012 12:37pm
meh

Penny if you must post that drivel here can you at least link to it instead of posting walls of text?

At this rate you’ll tire out my scrolling finger…
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May 29, 2012 12:39pm
wikiriwhis business

Dime, I got big news for you on the anti Obama front.

His NDAA bill which allowed legal detention against US citizens for no reason has just been ruled unconstitutional.

One reason was because of a huge campaign from a journalist. don’t listen to Jamie Dimon and his mini spokesman Michael Laws any more.

http://www.dailypaul.com/236644/one-foot-off-the-slippery-slope-ndaa-ruled-unconstitutional?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailypaul%2FFClq+%28The+Daily+Paul+-+Ron+Paul+for+President+2012%29&utm_content=FaceBook&utm_term=Ron+Paul
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May 29, 2012 12:51pm
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/the-end-of-the-euro-a-survivors-guide/

“…In every economic crisis there comes a moment of clarity.

In Europe soon, millions of people will wake up to realize that the euro-as-we-know-it is gone.

Economic chaos awaits them.

To understand why – first strip away your illusions.

Europe’s crisis to date is a series of supposedly “decisive” turning points –

– that each turned out to be just another step down a steep hill…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 1:04pm
joana

To those who asked questions earlier on re my comments re Key’s condition ; I wrote about it sometime back on KB and David deleted my comments considering them to be in poor taste. Not my psychic powers this time Phil but my limited knowledge of Japanese/Chinese medicine . Even Western psychology recognizes this condition but of course it has a very limited understanding of what to do about it. The Japanese would cure it by prescribing a macrobiotic diet.
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May 29, 2012 1:05pm
Luc Hansen

George Gwaze found not guilty, by an 11 to one majority.

One in the eye for the Crown.
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May 29, 2012 1:12pm
philu

joana…you have raised more questions than you have answered…

..talk about a hypothetical japanese sufferer of said ailment..

..no need to mention you know who…

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 1:18pm
Luc Hansen

A note on Phil Goff advocating military action by the UN (In fact, the UN only deploys peacekeepers, so I presume he means to sanction members to attack another country).

I find it difficult to support his plea, even given the wretched situation that exists there now.

The so-called resistance is already being armed and financed by Syria’s neighbours, esp Saudi Arabia and Qatar, according to usually reliable sources, and Goff would be better advised to call for that action to desist. My primary concern is that deploying even more military hardware, a la Libya, generally results in enormous civilian loss of life.

It is like the excuse of invading Iraq to save them from Saddam (invented when the original WMD lie was exposed), resulting in possibly a million excess deaths, including those who died of violence, at least three times more civilian deaths than Saddam was responsible for in his entire lifetime, and millions of refugees (many of whom went to Syria, and Syria gets no funding for this favour to western warmongers).

As Kofi Annan once said, “War is always a humanitarian disaster.”

Think again, Phil.
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May 29, 2012 1:25pm
Longknives

Don’t know much about the Gwaze case but I’d imagine the semen found in the deceased girls underwear and bedding took some explaining…and for the Crown to have a second go at him has to say something..
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May 29, 2012 1:27pm
philu

going to re-try/third trial him are you knives..?

..and i’m no expert on the case but i did note there was expert evidence on that on the surface most damning of evidence..

..that such cross-contamination would be found in many homes..

..and comes about from clothes being washed together…

..and i have one answer for yr second smear…arthur allan thomas..?

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 1:34pm
Longknives

No I’m just saying that Luc beating his chest and crowing was a little unneccessary (and rather tasteless given the circumstances..).

A little girl is dead and her uncle’s semen was found in her underwear and bedding. Argue freakishly coincidental ‘cross contamination’ all you want but something about it doesn’t sit right with me…
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May 29, 2012 1:41pm
philu

i mean..heaven forbid actual evidence should counter your ‘not sitting right’..eh..?

..and i repeat..it was not ‘freakishly coincidental’…the expert said such cross-contamination would be found in many homes..

..what the fuck is the problem with your small brain..what can’t you grasp/understand about that simple statement..?

..and of course the colour of his skin wd have nothing to do with it..eh knives..?

..given yr long history here of spreading racial tolerance and goodwill..

..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 29, 2012 1:53pm
Longknives

What the hell has the colour of his skin got to do with anything Phil??

And I have never mentioned race or skin colour in any of my posts…It’s career beneficiaries and criminals (usually one and the same) that I openly can’t stand.
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May 29, 2012 2:01pm
Nostalgia-NZ

There was good evidence refuting the relevance of the semen longknives, in fact rendering it un-noteworthy, but none that I know which properly explained unprotected sex with an hiv sufferer, or the need to ‘strangle’ her following what was purported to be a regular event.

Seeing George acquitted, instils for some of the public, sense to this all and an element of peace over her short life.
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May 29, 2012 2:04pm
wreck1080

Oh no, it looks like the dead woman in Waimate was a tourist, picked up and murdered by this sick bastard….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10809260
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May 29, 2012 3:08pm
labours a joke

..no wonder ya nigel-no-mates on here phool…just look at the way you climbed into Longknifes…you really are a tool phool.
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May 29, 2012 3:14pm
wikiriwhis business

Aussy building bubble ready to burst

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK_-lo99W40
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May 29, 2012 3:21pm
wreck1080

ha ha, but aussie and nz economic fundamentals mean we cannot have a housing crash like in Europe or the USA.

We rule supreme.
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May 29, 2012 3:59pm
graham

John Minto, writes something in the Herald against expanding class sizes.

What interests me is this little snippet:

One of the ironies is that National Party government ministers seem to prefer to send their own kids to elite private schools …

Well, it’s no secret that some National MPs send their children to private schools, but I would guess that some Labour MPs do also … just sayin’ there, Minto.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10809085
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May 29, 2012 4:55pm
bc

Possibly graham, but thats’s not the point is it. Labour aren’t reducing class sizes.
Anyway good to see the issue of class sizes still front and centre of the news, and some backtracking by the Government already.
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May 29, 2012 5:00pm
Dave Mann

@ wreck1080 “Oh no, it looks like the dead woman in Waimate was a tourist, picked up and murdered by this sick bastard….”

I read that this subhuman asshole was given a THREE-AND-A-HALF-YEAR sentence in 2000 for the abduction of a 19 year old woman for sex. Three and a half years??? I might be wrong, but I think in some US states you can be executed for kidnapping (i.e. abducting) somebody.

What is wrong with our judges and our laws? Tears came into my eyes when I read the report. We absolutely MUST do something as a society to stop these scum. This country is becoming as dangerous as Colombia.
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May 29, 2012 5:06pm
joana

Philu
I am sorry if I was obscure..it is just as I said , when I spelled things out last time , David deleted my comment. Suffice to say , a healthy person’s eyes sit neatly just beneath the bottom eyelid. It is never healthy to be showing white under ones pupils. You can tell yrself whether you have this condition by looking straight ahead into a mirror and noticing whether you have three whites..or san paku in Japanese..Many people in prison have this condition.
In western psychology , it is recognized as dead eyes or corpse eyes.
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May 29, 2012 5:45pm
bereal

When you have a pathological nasty piece of shit with a ginormous chip of self hatred on his shoulders, then you are sure to get comments like @ 1.53

“what the fuck is the problem with your small brain.”

That is an example of a the best argument that a monkey can serve up.

What a fuken clown.
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May 29, 2012 6:03pm
bereal

a pathetic bludging leech of a drain on his fellows will always serve up his puke in
the form of a question.

what a despicable piece of shit he is.

Excrable.
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May 29, 2012 6:10pm
bereal

then

how can you explain one such as joana actually apologising to an excrable piece of shit ?

as at 5.45.

Go figure.
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May 29, 2012 6:17pm
Lee01

“The mass of people, as La Boetie and Mises recognised, always and everywhere consists of “brutes”, “dullards”, and “fools”, easily deluded and sunk into habitual submission. Thus today, inundated from early childhood with government propaganda in public schools and educational institutions by legions of publicly certified intellectuals, most people mindlessly accept and repeat nonsense such as that democracy is self-rule and government is of, by, and for the people.”

“As a result of subsidizing the malingerers, the neurotics, the careless, the alcoholics, the drug addicts, the Aids-infected, and the physically and mentally challenged through insurance regulation and compulsory health insurance, there will be more illness, malingering, neuroticism, carelessness, alcoholism, drug addiction, Aids infection, and physical and mental retardation.”

“There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centred lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.”

Hans-Hermann Hoppe – Democracy: The God That Failed
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May 29, 2012 6:27pm
Steve (North Shore)

Longknives may have been waiting for this, see how many demerits the monkey gets.
It was a straight out unfounded racial attack
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May 29, 2012 6:30pm
labours a joke

Bawhahahaha!! Whana-ora give 60000 dollars to Rahui rugby club for pissup . Thats rich. Govt sponsored racial pissups ! Stupid Kiwis just go along with it.
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May 29, 2012 6:37pm
Griff

FFS lee666 that has to be one of the most stupid posts of all time
were the hell do you get the equation that libertarianism is more restrictive than your feudal theocracy dream from
the mind boggles that anyone would bother reading such nonsense let alone post it on here
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May 29, 2012 6:46pm
labours a joke

( cont )

..” Bawhahahahahahahaha “…
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May 29, 2012 6:49pm
bereal

Griff @ 6.46

Congratulations, that post almost made sense. You’r getting better.

Read it out loud to yourself mate and you will see how close you came to sounding like you have a brain.

Close, but no cigar.
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May 29, 2012 6:57pm
nasska

Whilst we all love our resident religious whackos, we are duty bound to point out that their delusions could be considered to be evidence of their disturbed minds:

….”Exorcism is the practice of evicting demons or other evil spiritual entities from a person or place which they are believed to have possessed (taken control of). The practice is quite ancient and still part of the belief system of many religions, though it is seen mostly in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches.

Solemn exorcisms, according to the Canon law of the church, can only be exercised by an ordained priest (or higher prelate), with the express permission of the local bishop, and only after a careful medical examination to exclude the possibility of mental illness. The Catholic Encyclopaedia (1908) enjoined: “Superstition ought not to be confounded with religion, however much their history may be interwoven, nor magic, however white it may be, with a legitimate religious rite”.

There’s more! Ref: http://listverse.com/2007/08/13/10-weird-religious-practices/
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