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philu

this is what you want to go back to..lucia..?

“..Premodern societies, including the United States in recent memory, were based on a kind of Orwellian doublethink.

There was the real world, populated by people who had premarital and extramarital sex, used contraceptives inside and outside marriage and had abortions, had children out of wedlock, patronized prostitutes and looked at pornography.

And there was a fictitious world of literature and cinema and public discourse in which these aspects of life could not be mentioned, or could only be hinted at darkly.

Much illicit behavior was tolerated, but occasionally and arbitrarily individuals who were caught were singled out and sacrificed, to maintain appearances.

The cultural revolution of recent decades does not mean Americans are less moral than they were in the ages of speak-easies and corner bordellos and vaudeville strip shows.

They are just less hypocritical..”

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 25, 2012 7:41pm
Pauleastbay

Reid

If this was the US, it would have been cleaned up, someone sued, nothing to see here.

Except this is NZ , and now it seems everyone with a table spoon of maori blood spends their entire week diving for kia moana which as a theory makes most of yours pale into insignificance
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May 25, 2012 7:42pm
nasska

….”If this was the US, they would have probably waterboarded the prisoners and they would have blown up the reef a long time ago since it was clearly acting in a terrorist capacity when it deliberately caused all of that damage even if it didn’t mean to do it, on purpose.”……

Love it…..you’re back on form LJ!
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May 25, 2012 7:44pm
Kimble

in the long term the internet will help social conservatives. That is because information about societal breakdown will be more readily available and people will realise that the old ways weren’t so stupid after all.

That’s just wishful thinking.

We could just as easily say that “it will be good for liberals because people will see how few of the conservatives fears actually came true”.

The internet is changing the way people interact. It is very unlikely that the result of that influence will be that people will realise that the way we related to each other when the internet didnt exist was 1) a better way, 2) even possible to resurrect now given the internet DOES exist.

Dont forget. The internet is where religions come to die. The internet starves religion of the ignorance it requires to stay alive.
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May 25, 2012 7:50pm
Leaping Jimmy

it would have been cleaned up, someone sued, nothing to see here.

This useless insurance situation which applied then needs sorting, this is for sure, isn’t it.

Something like a limitation on overseas liability and we taxpayers pick up the rest, as I understand it? (Not sure of the details.)

But fuck that.

How come NZ can tell the whole world to get fucked over big bad nukular weapons but we can’t even organise decent insurance coverage for damage to our domestic reefs and fishewies from the awful corpowate meanies?

This is a real Tania Harris moment isn’t it. C’mon NZ, c’mon.

Bringing Maowi into all this is a really good move Paul. I wish I’d thought of it. This will not only give us some limited traction in the MSM but most importantly it buys unstoppable bulldozer power through every single govt dept if we preface our idea with a Tia Tou Toutau and a Kia Ora Katoa.

They just can’t say no to that sort of shit. I suspect there is a SSC-mandated State Services Outlook configuration rule that whenever an email arrives with that in it anywhere, it goes immediately to the relevant dept’s CEO’s priority Inbox for immediate and urgent ~~attention~~ signoff.
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May 25, 2012 7:54pm
nasska

1st teenager: “Have you ever caught anything? I caught gonorrhoea once.”
2nd teenager: “I once caught chlamydia.”
3rd teenager: I caught genital warts and pubic lice.”
Ginger teenager: “A three & a half kilo kahawai.”
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May 25, 2012 8:01pm
Griff

We are legally entitled to identify as maori
I propose the creation or reinstatement of the ancient tribe of nga kiwiblog
I am sure that there are a few places we could claim at the wiatangi tribunal watchman island is one un claimed piece of real estate there must be more out there They do not demand truth just verbal stories are sufficient
this would also allow us to claim a pissup i mean hui to reinforce tribal links and plan the next pissup i mean future tribal direction
😆
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May 25, 2012 8:14pm
Johnboy

I feel you could be one of my Whanau Griff.

Why don’t we both apply for a Whanau Ora grant so we can get twice the piss in for our reunion? 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:17pm
Luc Hansen

Philu

You should use that post as your model.

It’s readable.
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May 25, 2012 8:21pm
Don the Kiwi

nasska.

Get it right – its “ginga”. 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:22pm
Leaping Jimmy

OK but back to the sensible question of how the fuck do we hold agents of offshore corporations financially accountable for shit those agents cause on our shores?

Thanks nasska BTW. Appreciate your 7:44.

It’s a very good question and will happen again in future so what pray tell, do we do?

My (suggested) solution is that we offer to give anyone anything, but we deliver it, not necessarily slowly but at our own pace, arriving to them at a time not of their but our choosing, with no forewarning, since we may need to make unexpected stopovers on the way.

This trade model works well as far as I’m concerned and if anyone has an issue with it, I suggest we either don’t speak to them at all or we try to invade them.

What does everyone think?

Philu

You should use that post as your model.

It’s readable.

THIS IS LONDON.

PHIL HAS MADE A READABLE POST.

OVER TO OUR NZ CORRESPONDENT. LUC? COME IN, LUC?
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May 25, 2012 8:23pm
philu

i had to reformat it..of course..

and imitation is the sincerest flattery.

in the bad old days your last comment wd have been all squished up on one line..

..eh..?

philli[ ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 25, 2012 8:24pm
Johnboy

I think it is a fine model LJ unless it is a model proposed by a nation of beggars such as us.

Course if we struck serious oil……? 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:26pm
nasska

Q. What is every ginga’s wish?
A. To go grey early.

Q. What do you call a ginga prostitute?
A. Unemployed.

Q. What is a ginga’s favourite card game?
A. Solitaire.

Q. What do you call a Ginger in a Porn film?
A. The cameraman.
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May 25, 2012 8:29pm
Lucia Maria

Kimble,

Dont forget. The internet is where religions come to die. The internet starves religion of the ignorance it requires to stay alive.

I became religious because of the internet. It allowed me to see more of a bigger picture and gain easy access to source documents. While as before the internet, I had to rely on what was filtered to me via the local bookshops, libraries and media. So it did the opposite to me that you claim it does.
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May 25, 2012 8:30pm
Pauleastbay

Off fishing tomorrow and or Sunday.

Hope I can launch because of the 18 feet of oil that has clogged the beaches and fucked Tauranga and the Mount and I don’t get to dehydrated from retching at the sight and smell of the thousands of decomposing sea birds clogging the ramp.

Hold on none of that happened, amazing.- I presume the glass half empty brigade are still flagettlating (sic) themselves and wearing hair shirts and are really pissed off they have nothing really to moan about
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May 25, 2012 8:31pm
Johnboy

Course after yesterday I’m beginning to think that Bill and John are also hoping we strike serious oil.

Sort of like slightly upmarket lotto investors really! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:32pm
Johnboy

What about Ginger Lynn nasska?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Lynn

🙂 🙂

ps: Those two smilies were not for no reason at all
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May 25, 2012 8:33pm
Pauleastbay

Lucia

The entire world is becoming more free and informed because of the internet with its access to knowledge and exchange of information and it made you a fundamental christian.

Mind you if the majority of your sites are religious porn it might explain your totally skewered view of reality
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May 25, 2012 8:37pm
nasska

Johnboy

She had her fan club Johnboy but that was a few years ago. She probably looks like a Christchurch highrise now.
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May 25, 2012 8:38pm
Johnboy

O ye of little faith in gingas nasska. Who could forget Anthony’s squeeze Ginger Lee?

http://starcasm.net/archives/103321
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May 25, 2012 8:40pm
nasska

Aussie Poetry

The sun was hot already – it was only 8 o’clock
The cocky took off in his Ute, to go and check his stock.
He drove around the paddocks checking wethers, ewes and lambs,
The float valves in the water troughs, the windmills on the dams.

He stopped and turned a windmill on to fill a water tank
And saw a ewe down in the dam, a few yards from the bank.
‘Typical bloody sheep,’ he thought, ‘they’ve got no common sense,
‘They won’t go through a gateway but they’ll jump a bloody fence.’

The ewe was stuck down in the mud, he knew without a doubt
She’d stay there ’til she carked it if he didn’t get her out.
But when he reached the water’s edge, the startled ewe broke free
And in her haste to get away, began a swimming spree.

He reckoned once her fleece was wet, the weight would drag her down
If he didn’t rescue her, the stupid sod would drown.
Her style was unimpressive, her survival chances slim
He saw no other option, he would have to take a swim.

He peeled his shirt and singlet off, his trousers, boots and socks
And as he couldn’t stand wet clothes, he also shed his jocks.
He jumped into the water and away that cocky swam
He caught up with her, somewhere near the middle of the dam

The ewe was quite evasive, she kept giving him the slip
He tried to grab her sodden fleece but couldn’t get a grip.
At last he got her to the bank and stopped to catch his breath
She showed him little gratitude for saving her from death.

She took off like a Bondi tram around the other side
He swore next time he caught that ewe he’d hang her bloody hide.
Then round and round the dam they ran, although he felt quite puffed
He still thought he could run her down, she must be nearly stuffed.

The local stock rep came along to pay a call that day.
He knew this bloke was on his own, his wife had gone away.
He didn’t really think he’d get fresh scones for morning tea
But nor was he prepared for what he was about to see.

He rubbed his eyes in disbelief at what came into view
For running down the catchment came this frantic-looking ewe.
And on her heels in hot pursuit and wearing not a stitch
The farmer yelling wildly ‘Come back here, you lousy bitch!’

The stock rep didn’t hang around, he took off in his car
The cocky’s reputation has been damaged near and far
So bear in mind the Work Safe rule when next you check your flocks
Spot the hazard, Assess the risk, and always wear your Jocks!
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May 25, 2012 8:41pm
Griff

Its PEBs flagettlating thats got me concerned
I wounder if Nina H has a how to vid on it or is it something that lucia can help with
thats ginga lynn JB
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May 25, 2012 8:41pm
Johnboy

Is Lucia a ginga Griff??

I get sick of bloody blondes! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:43pm
Steve (North Shore)

Who mentioned ‘Watchman’s Island”?
Just shut up ok, that’s a special place if you know exactly where the tide runs. Next thing the Maoris will fence it off with a 200 metre limit
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May 25, 2012 8:43pm
nasska

Johnboy @ 9.40

Now I see it…only in America!
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May 25, 2012 8:46pm
Pauleastbay

Probably worse than a ginga JB she may be a school teacher
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May 25, 2012 8:46pm
Johnboy

Johnboy @ 9.40

You still on daylight saving up there in the Wairarapa stix nasska? 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:49pm
Johnboy

I would be prepared to be chastised by her under certain conditions PEB! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:50pm
nasska

Johnboy

Mea culpa! Over this way we’re a bit behind the times if anything….we tend to stick to the tried & true like blade shearing & mutton fat on the axles of the dray.
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May 25, 2012 8:54pm
Johnboy

As long as your wifes not named “Dinah” axle grease should be fine nasska! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:57pm
nasska

A yard above the knee…….
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May 25, 2012 8:58pm
Johnboy

How is Dinah then?

Enjoying the country life I trust? 🙂
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May 25, 2012 8:59pm
nasska

I reckon everyone enjoys the country life……not too sure about the sheep on the lifestyle block down the road although. The new owner’s a real shifty looking bloke.
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May 25, 2012 9:03pm
Johnboy

A proper sheep handler should never look shifty around his flock nasska.

Makes them uneasy you understand.

You save shifty for when you go to town and worry other folks might dob you in! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 9:05pm
kowtow

cows4me

Yep I saw them.Too bad the whole lot weren’t bagged for unlawful assembly or some such and those 2 pricks put back on the stand along with the screeching Bradford.

No doubt TV 1and3 will be doing their best to turn them into celebrities like they did with the Algerian Islamist.
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May 25, 2012 9:09pm
Johnboy

I actually reckon LJ that after all these comments I have made, all of them would have been much better if I had left out the text and just used the smilies.

Same would apply for all the rest of you to be honest! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 9:09pm
Griff

I fail to understand your last Post reid is there more information a link perhaps or are u just back on the kaka kick again
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May 25, 2012 9:10pm
Johnboy

Yeah Griff!

How did you do that LJ?

Does God really move in mysterious ways?
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May 25, 2012 9:11pm
Luc Hansen

Griff

I usually give up on reid’s posts after the first conspiracy theory reference.

Luckily for me, he has sworn an oath of honour to leave me alone.
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May 25, 2012 9:20pm
Steve (North Shore)

Fucking hell 8008, go Johnboy.
God just moves sideways, nothing mysterious about that
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May 25, 2012 9:24pm
Leaping Jimmy

How did you do that LJ?

I’m special, Johnboy.

I fail to understand your last Post reid is there more information a link perhaps or are u just back on the kaka kick again

I can’t help people who don’t understand simple English Griff. What are ya? Mental or something? [Apologies if you really, in fact, are.]

I usually give up on reid’s posts after the first conspiracy theory reference. Luckily for me, he has sworn an oath of honour to leave me alone.

So far tonight I haven’t made any, so how come you haven’t responded to my devastating, erudite attack on the entire lefty mindset, or is it cos you just don’t have the guts, Luc?
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May 25, 2012 9:28pm
Johnboy

Popcorn time. 🙂
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May 25, 2012 9:31pm
Griff

bloody weird allright
I ask LJ a question then his post despairs so i try to delete mine and bloody vodafone and huawia decide to go to sleep
oh jb
🙂 😉 😎 😈 😆
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May 25, 2012 9:33pm
Johnboy

Same for me. The Lord is on his side alright Griff! Just open your popcorn! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 9:34pm
mikenmild

I can’t be bothered looking at earlier post, but I assume LJ’s effort was at least as good as his ‘demolition’ of the case for gay marriage.
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May 25, 2012 9:37pm
Griff

You must know reid madness is one short shuffle away from genius
I took a leap
😀
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May 25, 2012 9:39pm
Johnboy

No milkey. it was better than that. It was like the virgin birth. It was like the post you have that never actually happened.

It was like Mary’s excuse to Joseph for her bulge.

Griff and I both saw it.

Does this make us wise men? 🙂
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May 25, 2012 9:40pm
mikenmild

I think you’re more the one who watches his flock by night.
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May 25, 2012 9:43pm
Johnboy

No you fool. LJ can post stuff that can be read by others and commented on and then remove it.

It’s a miracle I say! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 9:45pm
Griff

John boy is aware of the knowledge in the hidden gospel of Thomas
for after he found the sheep he toiled and was happy vs 14
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May 25, 2012 9:50pm
Shunda barunda

So what’s the speculation on possible reasons for this thus far Shunda? Is this a common pattern anywhere else e.g. say Haiti or say San Fran? If not, any theories on that, as well? Or is it just: the cycle is too young to detect patterns and we don’t want to speculate.

http://www.christchurchquakemap.co.nz/dailyEnergy

Note the punctuations.
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May 25, 2012 9:53pm
Andrei

You may mock but God does work in mysterious ways.
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May 25, 2012 9:56pm
Johnboy

Griff:

Next I saw a field of tall grass, most glorious to behold; it was living green, and had a reflection of silver and gold, as it waved proudly to the glory of King Jesus. Then we entered a field full of all kinds of beasts—the lion, the lamb, the leopard, and the wolf, all together in perfect union. We passed through the midst of them, and they followed on peaceably after. . .

My idea of heaven in Wainui! 🙂
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May 25, 2012 9:56pm
Johnboy

Lucia never came back. Do you think she is a Ginga? 🙂
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May 25, 2012 9:59pm
Griff

As long as there is no bunnies the little bastards have gone into my latest planting and chomped every plant in half
Bunnies are evil evil creatures spawn of the devil like clowns
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May 25, 2012 10:12pm
Luc Hansen

That was a pretty cute move by reid. Almost had me fooled, then I realised what Griff and JB were chortling about.

Problem is, now reid has gone and broken his promise to me.

Andrei, what should his punishment be? His own personal, pregnant virgin?
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May 25, 2012 10:27pm
Shunda barunda

Bunnies are evil evil creatures spawn of the devil like clowns

Speaking of bunnies, I was down at the beach the other day with my oldest boy and hello hello, a tame rabbit wanders over. Of course, the boy picks the damned thing up and I “have” to take it home. My other children mauled it for a bit and then I took it to the SPCA to reunite it with it’s owner.

The lady at the SPCA assured me it would be claimed, but in a moment of weakness I tell my 5 year old daughter that if it doesn’t get claimed she can have it (winking at the SPCA lady).

Well bugger me if the damned thing didn’t get claimed and the daughter didn’t forget.

NEVER PROMISE BUNNIES TO 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTERS.

Now we have a rabbit that spends half it’s time inside and half out, I am already feeding it more often than I want too and the b@stard gave me a wicked scratch the other day.

It’s called Stew, and I told the kids that’s what it will be if they get sick of it! 🙂

It’s a hard case bloody thing, it clear jumps off the floor about 1m for no apparent reason and tears around like a puppy.
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May 25, 2012 10:39pm
Leaping Jimmy

Problem is, now reid has gone and broken his promise to me.

What specifically was that, Luc?

Johnboy, Griff, mm et al, just because you can’t make posts disappear, doesn’t mean to say I can or can’t, either way. So if it is in the purvue of one’s destiny to create a reality which makes sense only to oneself as a zen thing, why how can anything possibli be true, regardless of what came before, or after?

And Luc none of this excuses you from the answer to the above, don’t think I’m not paying attention as I type this. Don’t think that, at all.

…

Shunda at least your daughter didn’t have a giant bunny for which you had to pay to go to Aus and go thru the quarantine processes etc etc et al only to expire due to heat exhaustion several weeks after the release. If that ever happens to you let us know how you feel.
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May 25, 2012 11:06pm
Lucia Maria

Shunda,

Yeah, bunnies and girls. Bad combination. But whatever you do, don’t turn Stew into stew – your daughter will never forgive you!

Johnboy,

The answer to the question is no.

I disappeared to watch Sherlock for the first time on TV. Didn’t like the actor at first, but by the end, I thought he did the part OK.
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May 25, 2012 11:42pm
Kimble

I became religious because of the internet.

And for every one of you, there are a thousand religious people finding out that evolution is a fact, that religion = cult + popularity + time – facts, and that if the god of the bible really existed as the book says you would have to be an amoral scumbag to use it for your moral compass.

Every lie your religious leaders tell you, has its rebuttal online. Offline you would never ever see them, you would be cloistered in your church, surrounded by people who reinforced your delusion. Offline you would never see “debate”, few if any people in your church would argue with what the authority says about the existence of your god.

You can build up walls online, ignoring all debunkings, clicking past scientific proofs. But you cant exercise the same control over people you are trying to indoctrinate.
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May 26, 2012 12:45am
Manolo

Out the door, you bugger: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76752.html
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