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Lucia Maria

Here’s a review by Salon.com

The problem here is that Machtan’s book is being judged by its hype. And when you look past the hype to the book’s central thesis you are left with the unshakable conclusion that Machtan is on to something. You may well ask why, with the thousands of books written on Hitler, no one else has caught on to this. The answer is that much of what Machtan says has been written about before and that many people have shared his opinions for decades. (Did anyone think the image of Hitler as flaming queen came solely from the fertile imagination of Mel Brooks?)

Several of Machtan’s most reliable sources (including the classic biographies by Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock, as well as Bullock’s dual biography of Hitler and Stalin) have raised many of the same points as Machtan has, though their authors chose not to emphasize them or pursue them at length. Why? Possibly for no more reason than that their author’s interests lay elsewhere. As Voltaire is said to have said, history does not change, but what we want from it does.
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May 21, 2012 9:23pm
philu

“..a goodly part of the problem was that the kids’ mother was brighter and better than me…..”

not difficult..that one…

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 21, 2012 9:24pm
bhudson

Are you sure it’s not autophobia you suffer from Philu? Perhaps, in part at least, as a consequence of ergophobia?
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May 21, 2012 9:27pm
Pauleastbay

So, Adolf was a flaming queen?

Whats your point?
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May 21, 2012 9:28pm
mikenmild

So maybe Hitler was gay? The relevance of that today is what? Gay men are evil? If little Adolf had been raised in a more tolerant environment he might not have turned out quite so evil?
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May 21, 2012 9:29pm
nasska

bhudson

At least it’s not Lachanophobia!
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May 21, 2012 9:29pm
David Garrett

…and at 9.24 other example of the phool never using “ad homs”…the sad thing is the brain damaged fuck doesn’t even see his own internal contradictions…

By crikey the kiwibloggers are sparking tonight…but what about Penny’s protest? Did anyone but her turn up?
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May 21, 2012 9:29pm
philu

i’m not ‘frightened’ of you garrett..

..i wd just find it very difficult to hold my tongue..and be civil..

..you are a manifestation of so much i loathe..

..everything you stand for has got this country to the fucked place it is in now…

..yr neo-lib/randite bullshit..

..all a confection..all lies/a cover for eugenics..and asset/class-theft/oppression..

..my only consolation is that the vile legislation you got passed will be repealed..

..and then all trace of you having been there will be wiped away..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 21, 2012 9:30pm
Northland Wahine

I have a friendship with David Garrett… And because of this, I have been accused of re enacting… Masochistic white settler/ dusky maiden fantasies…by whom else. Now the conclusion I draw by this accusation would be, not only is KB’s resident dak head bludger a racist, he’s also a sexist.

Of course, I have no doubt a string of expletitives will follow, amongst a strong denial.
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May 21, 2012 9:31pm
big bruv

Phool may well be a closet gay.

After all, he has not really explained how he managed to find his heroin and coke habit (apart from bashing and robbing chemists), there was a suggestion (I think it was from Dime) that Phool might have funded his habit by smoking cock.
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May 21, 2012 9:32pm
David Garrett

Phool: look up the word “phobia”…report back, do….
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May 21, 2012 9:36pm
krazykiwi

I put all this down to a shortage of bears. I mean, you just can find enough of them, nor suitable cages these days.
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May 21, 2012 9:36pm
cha

I’ll see your review Lucia and raise you.

But the biggest problem with Machtan’s book (which has been translated by John Brownjohn) isn’t the reliability of his sources but his mode of argumentation. He accepts what fits his thesis and rejects what doesn’t. One feels, at times, that one is reading an internal F.B.I. report from the J. Edgar Hoover era rather than an evenhanded work of scholarship in which the author is ready to be led by the facts.

To interpret evidence his way, Machtan employs innuendo and insinuation. He asks rhetorical questions designed to lead the reader to answer them in a manner that supports his argument, even when alternative explanations are at least as plausible. He introduces possibilities that are then assumed to be probabilities and, indeed, certitudes. By the use of quotation marks, he highlights what are probably innocuous comments so that they seem loaded with homoerotic meaning. In short, he has written a tendentious book that is more a brief for the prosecution than a work of balanced history.
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May 21, 2012 9:38pm
bhudson

nasska,

If only he was! A more protein-land diet might help his thought processes… And writing…

I think he does suffer from AGP though (Anti-Government Phobia). Especially since David G spoke with the Work and Income folk at MSD…
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May 21, 2012 9:38pm
bhudson

To interpret evidence his way, Machtan employs innuendo and insinuation. He asks rhetorical questions designed to lead the reader to answer them in a manner that supports his argument, even when alternative explanations are at least as plausible. He introduces possibilities that are then assumed to be probabilities and, indeed, certitudes. By the use of quotation marks, he highlights what are probably innocuous comments so that they seem loaded with homoerotic meaning. In short, he has written a tendentious book that is more a brief for the prosecution than a work of balanced history.

So, in other words, he is Ian Wishart?
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May 21, 2012 9:41pm
David Garrett

bhudson: Glad you mentioned that!
According to Wahine – who works for a certain acronym not unconnected with the source of the phools money – the process takes some time once the investigators open a file…which they certainly have….but they get there, eventually…

Luc: Still looking? give it up mate…you wont find one utterance from me on the tangata whenua that isn’t simply verifiable fact…or is stating those now “racist” as well?

And the great thing is that right here, every day, he tells us how capable he is of working! He’s established a “news aggregation” site dont you know…
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May 21, 2012 9:45pm
Pauleastbay

Excellent Cha

but so.Lucia ….Adolf was a raging, died in the wool mincing ,poncing fag homo , please fucking explain what that has or had to do with all those fucking germans supporting him and giving him a mandate to plunge the world into war.

jesus christ.

The germans are intolerant war loving arseholes and always have been, one mans sexuality has nothing to do with it.

J.Edgar Hoover was a transvesite homo, did he invade Poland?
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May 21, 2012 9:45pm
mikenmild

But, seriously, isn’t there something in the whole Nazi-homosexual thing? Just think of the uniforms – all that polished leather, insignia, etc…
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May 21, 2012 9:46pm
mikenmild

PEB
Love the segue from homophobia to xenophobia.
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May 21, 2012 9:48pm
David Garrett

sorry, sloppy edit there…the middle para should have been at the end…

(cue phool: “…(hic)…eh?! )

Yep, that milo is intoxicating stuff…
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May 21, 2012 9:51pm
bhudson

David G,

Paula Bennett should be briefed on the urbandictionary definition of a philure. Perhaps she could weave it into her speech in the House when she announces the biggest welfare fraud bust in NZ history…
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May 21, 2012 9:53pm
Lucia Maria

My whole purpose was to support Fletch, who brought up Scott Lively, who has supposedly been discredited because he wrote a book about gay Nazis. While as the evidence for Hitler being gay quite voluminous, if “circumstantial” and full of “innuendo and insinuation”. Even Cha’s latest review that he’s posted at least supports the idea that Hitler may have been gay.

Personally, I think Hitler was possessed, and that’s why he did what he did. The gayness was only a part of it.
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May 21, 2012 9:54pm
Pauleastbay

Well Idiot

From the Huns through to the Cold war nothing Xenophobic there
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May 21, 2012 9:55pm
David Garrett

But Lucia…you still havent told us WHY THE F..K DOES IT MATTER???
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May 21, 2012 9:57pm
Pauleastbay

Personally, I think Hitler was possessed, and that’s why he did what he did. The gayness was accidental to all of that.

Lucia

Hitler could have done nothing without the support of the german people, he was an insignificant dweed , it was the people of germany that allowed him to rise to power.

Possessed – I despair seriously -possessed
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May 21, 2012 10:00pm
Lucia Maria

Paul,

FBI agents who worked with J Edgar Hoover don’t believe he was gay.

“I don’t know anyone who’s not extremely upset,” said Bill Branon, a former agent who is chairman of the J. Edgar Hoover Foundation, which grants scholarships to college students studying law enforcement and forensics. “It’s not only because of our admiration for him. It’s the fact it’s just not true. If it were true, it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. But don’t do that to the poor guy when he’s dead and gone.”

It seems all the cool guys can be gay, but the scary ones like Hitler, can’t have been.
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May 21, 2012 10:02pm
David Garrett

Lucia: Again…..
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May 21, 2012 10:03pm
Lucia Maria

Yes, Paul, possessed.

The Pope during WWII (Pope Pius XII) kept trying long distance exorcisms.
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May 21, 2012 10:04pm
Pauleastbay

Well DG

its like this

evidently it was incidental that ” the gayness was accidental “-FFS
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May 21, 2012 10:05pm
Lucia Maria

David,

Why does anything on this thread matter?

How many comments have been used up talking about The Standard? Who cares? I certainly don’t.

No one will read this thread tomorrow anyway.
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May 21, 2012 10:07pm
Pauleastbay

That’s the same PiusXII the subject of John Cornwell’s book ” Hitlers Pope”

I don’t care if Hitler was gay or not , it has nothing to do with anything, by the way Hoover was a transvesite homo, but again this has what to do with his running the FBI?

And Hoover was not a cool guy, Hitler was probably more personable than Hoover who was a nasty bastard.
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May 21, 2012 10:10pm
cha

Former US Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt: Homosexual animals possessed.

“It is entirely possible — we know from the Bible, for example, when Jesus cast the devil out of Legion, he went into a herd of pigs,” Klingenschmitt said. “So, it is possible for demons or the devil to inhabit or invade animals just the same way they invade humans, and that causes the sin of lust.”
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May 21, 2012 10:12pm
David Garrett

PEB: I presume you have read “Hitler’s willing executioners” ? Good book…has the most awful pic I have ever seen in it…a woman holding a baby in her arms with one of the Whermacht taking a bead on her from behind…
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May 21, 2012 10:13pm
Griff

Lucia Maria
So you have not had the disconcerting experience of googling a subject only to find you last comment on KB is in the top five returns
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May 21, 2012 10:14pm
nasska

…”Former US Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt: Homosexual animals possessed.”……

I’ll take garlic & a cross with me next time I check the ram paddock!
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May 21, 2012 10:17pm
Pauleastbay

Thanks Cha

How can I sleep with the dogs on the bed now with thoughts of their possession.

Dear me, how the hell to people like Klingenschmitt stay in paid employment, it s,……………

I am just getting brain freeze coming to terms with the fact that the entire second WW was caused by demonic possession, well bugger me
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May 21, 2012 10:19pm
cha

And best someone reminds Johnboy too.
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May 21, 2012 10:19pm
Scott Chris

I’d say it is more likely that Jesus was gay than was Hitler.
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May 21, 2012 10:21pm
bereal

Gee,

what sort of a life must a specimen like philu have.

So consumed with hate. Hatred of everything. Hatred of everyone.

See above.

The poor sod.
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May 21, 2012 10:21pm
Griff

Klingenschmitt
maker of daggs
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May 21, 2012 10:21pm
cha

Dear me, how the hell to people like Klingenschmitt stay in paid employment, it s,……………

He couldn’t.

Other documents Klingenschmitt threatened to turn over to Congress included a petition, or something similar, that supposedly showed he was supported by “30 million evangelicals” and a “conference report ordering the [Secretary of the Navy] to rescind [non-sectarian prayer] policy.”
The Navy declined to settle with Klingenschmitt in exchange for his offer to drop his complaint.
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May 21, 2012 10:23pm
Pete George

bereal, you’re doing what you keep telling everyone else not to do.
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May 21, 2012 10:23pm
Pauleastbay

DG

It wasn’t just the Germans either, the French surrender monkeys were no slouches either when it came to shipping the Jews off on a train ride and then the frogs expected to be an occupying power when the allies had done the hard yards.

Why are there so many trees on the Champs de Lise?

So the Germans can march in the shade.
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May 21, 2012 10:24pm
Nostalgia-NZ

‘And Hoover was not a cool guy, Hitler was probably more personable than Hoover who was a nasty bastard.’

First they sold their story, once it was bought, all were beholding to them with no right to be disturbed about a picture they didn’t fully know or might not have first understood, uniforms and marching were needed, along with warnings of who the enemy were and what the price of freedom would be.

‘come into my parlour said the spider to the fly where you shall finally dance to my music not yet writ, the cost of your ticket here’
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May 21, 2012 10:26pm
Luc Hansen

PEB

And it wasn’t just the Germans and the French. The British and the US knew full well what was going on and did nothing to stop it. Even before the war actually started.
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May 21, 2012 10:26pm
krazykiwi

“I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me.”
General George S. Patton.
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“Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion.”
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
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The AP and UPI reported that the French Government announced after the London bombings that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run”, to “Hide”. The only two higher levels in France are “Surrender” and “Collaborate”. The rise in the alert level was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively disabling their military.
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French Ban Fireworks at Euro Disney

(AP), Paris, March 5, 2003

The French Government announced today that it is imposing a ban on the use of fireworks at Euro Disney. The decision comes the day after a nightly fireworks display at the park, located just 30 miles outside of Paris, caused the soldiers at a nearby French Army garrison to surrender to a group of Czech tourists.
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May 21, 2012 10:31pm
bereal

Pete,
bullshit.
i never address a piece of shit directly.

i may comment upon the charectaristics of a specimen the way you may discuss a paramecium
you observe through a microscope.

Even when the paramecium speaks to you you don’t reply.

Do you ?
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May 21, 2012 10:31pm
Pauleastbay

Luc

Knowing and actually loading trains is a bit different.

No doubt that they all knew that the Jews were getting serious shit as early as 1932.

It was the old, its some one else country.

But then again the US knows that there are Iranians getting it now, shouldn’t they bomb the bejesus out of the place to help?
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May 21, 2012 10:34pm
cha

The Dutch have an awful record too PeB. Here’s the chronology of deportations from the Netherlands.
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May 21, 2012 10:36pm
Luc Hansen

@DG

Your utterances here have gone much further than just saying, factually, Maori are over-represented in the crime stats. The difference between you and I is that you blame Maori, as a people, whereas I factor in the effect of the colonisation process in contributing to that sad statistic.

And to say the treaty process must end when you, the voice of imperial colonisation, say it should is to ignore the voice of those most affected by the colonisation – our indigenous people.

Put most simply, the treaty process can only end when Maori are no longer downtrodden and marginalised and over-represented in the crime stats.

Your risible “One law for all” is anti-Maori, therefore racist by definition.

[DPF: If it is all about colonisation, then why are PI over-represented in crime stats, yet Asians under-represented?]
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May 21, 2012 10:41pm
bereal

Luc
Do you also factor in the effect of William The Conqueror from AD 1066 ?
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May 21, 2012 10:44pm
Griff

Luc
Did you ever consider that Maori are over represented in the crime statistics not because we destroyed their culture but because they still continue to cling to a stone age culture
one where any one not of your tribe is viewed as a source of protein and possessions to be taken when ever possible
Face up to the reality of history luc there was no noble savage just savages
Lies deceit and dishonesty where a excepted part of pre contact life and an agreement lasted as long as you wanted
Law was by utu and the power of might not right
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May 21, 2012 10:57pm
Scott Chris

“Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion.”
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Better to go deer hunting with an accordion than with Dick Cheney I’d say.
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May 21, 2012 11:13pm
Lucia Maria

Griff,

Yes, I have noticed Kiwiblog is high up on the Google rankings. My blog is as well on a number of subjects, so it’s not that disconcerting for me. I’m used to what I say being out there.

PaulEastBay,

Hitler’s Pope has been thoroughly debunked in Hitler, the war, and the Pope by Ronald J. Rychlack

No serious charge is left unrebutted.
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May 21, 2012 11:20pm
cha

No serious charge is left unrebutted.

Really?.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/ustasha-and-vatican-silence-part-1.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/ustasha-and-vatican-silence-part-2.html
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May 21, 2012 11:39pm
eszett

Lucia Maria (933) Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 10:04 pm

Yes, Paul, possessed.

The Pope during WWII (Pope Pius XII) kept trying long distance exorcisms.

Long distance exorcism?

The level of gibberish, mumbo jumbo and utter rubbish the folks from nzconservative are willing to believe and propagate never fails to astound me.
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May 21, 2012 11:44pm
RightNow

Today I learned Anal
http://multitree.linguistlist.org/codes/anm.html

Now I can tell who talks shit
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May 21, 2012 11:47pm
eszett

RightNow (4,137) Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 11:47 pm

Today I learned Anal

Best post so far today on GD

😉
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May 21, 2012 11:56pm
cha

So does that make you an analinguist RN?.
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May 22, 2012 12:01am
Fletch

cha, What the Pope did or did not do can be seen from the reaction from the Jews (and Eichmann at the end of this list) –

* Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli: “What the Vatican did will be indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts….Priests and even prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism. Volumes could be written on the multiform works of Pius XII and the countless priests, religious and laity who stood with him throughout the world during the war. No hero, in all of history, was more militant, more fought against, none more heroic, than Pius XII in pursuing the works of true charity…and thus on behalf of all the people of God.”

*Grand Rabbi of Jerusalem, Dr. Isaac Herzog (February 29, 1944): “The people of Israel will never forget what his Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundation of true civilization are doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history. Which is living proof of divine Providence in this world.”

* Rabbi Safran of Bucharest, Romania, (April 7, 1944): “It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the Supreme Pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of deported Jews….The Jews of Romania will never forget these facts of historic importance.”

* Rabbi Barry Dov Schwartz (Summer Issue 1964 of Conservative Judaism): “Many Jews were persuaded to convert after the war, as a sign of gratitude, to that institution which had saved their lives.”

* Chief Rabbi of Rome, Elio Toaff (after Rabbi Zolli’s conversion): More than anyone else, we have had the opportunity to appreciate the great kindness, filled with compassion and magnanimity that the Pope displayed during the terrible years of persecution and error.”

* Albert Einstein (December 1940 edition of Time): “Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then, I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they like the universities were silenced in a few short weeks… Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone had had the courage and intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I had once despised I now praise unreservedly.” (After the war Einstein wrote, “Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty.”)

* Golda Meir, Israel’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, representative to the United Nations (first delegate to react to Pius XII’s death), later Prime Minister of Israel; “We share with the grief of the world over the death of his Holiness Pius XII. During a generation of wars and dissensions, he affirmed the high ideals of peace and compassion. During the ten years of Nazi terror, when our people went through the horrors of martyrdom, the pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and to commiserate with their victims. The life of our time has been enriched by a voice which expressed the great moral truths above the tumults of daily conflicts. We grieve over the loss of a great defender of peace.”

* Dr. Nahum Goldmann, President of the World’s Jewish Congress: “With special gratitude we remember all he has done for the persecuted Jews during one of the darkest periods in their entire history.”

* Former Israeli diplomat, scholar and Orthodox Rabbi, Pinchas Lapide: “The Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving the lives of 850,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands. Then Pius XII deserves the forest in the Judean hills which kindly people in Israel proposed for him in October 1958. A memorial forest like those planned for Winston Churchill, King Peter of Yugoslavia and Count Bernadotte of Sweden, with 86,000 trees. (Besides the honor to Pius, the trees honored nuncios, including Cardinal Roncalli (later Pope John XXIII) of Istanbul who played a major humanitarian role in saving Jews.)

* Leonard Bernstein: Conducting in New York’s Carnegie Hall, he learned of Pius XII’s death and paid personal tribute to the Pontiff responsible for saving the lives of thousands of Jews by tapping his baton for a moment of silence.

* Leo Kubitsky, Secretary-General of the world Jewish Congress presented a donation of two million liras (present value over a million dollars) on behalf of grateful Jews.

* Jeno Levae, Historian and only foreign Jew invited as an expert at Adolph Eichmann’s trial, who spoke at the Auschwitz trial in 1964: “From that day on, acting in accordance with the instruction of the Holy See and always in the name of Pius XII, the Nuncio never ceased from intervening against the disposition concerning Jews, and the inhuman character of the anti-Jewish legislation.”

* Dr. Joseph L. Lichten, Polish diplomat and director of the International Affairs Department of the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai Brith: “What is the case for him? That in relation to the insane behavior of the Nazis from overlords to self-styled cogs like Eichmann, he did everything possible to save lives and alleviate suffering among the Jews; that a formal statement would have provoked the Nazis to brutal retaliation and would substantially have thwarted further Catholic action on behalf of the Jews”.

* Moshe Sharrett: The former Foreign Affairs Minister and Prime Minister of Israel visited Pius XII “to thank the Catholic Church for what it did to save Jews in all parts of the world.” Rabbis of the United States, Rumanian, Italian and Hungarian Jewish communities went to Rome or sent messages thanking him for his efforts.

* Jacob Philip Rudin, President of the Central Conference of American Rabbis: “His sympathy for all, his wise social vision and his extreme understanding made him a prophetic voice in the service of justice everywhere. May his memory be a blessing for the life of the Roman Catholic Church and the World.”

* Antonio Gaspari, who authored “The Jews, Pius XII, and the Black Legend”, chronicled the Nazi-fascist actions in Rome with testimonies from Jews who were saved by Pius requesting assistance from Religious (Over 150 Church institutions in and around Rome helped Italian Jews.)

* Martin Tagliacozzo, the leading authority on Roman Jews in the Holocaust: “I have a folder on my table in Israel entitled ‘Calumnies Against Pius XII.’…without him, many of our own would not be alive.”

* Sir Martin Gilbert: The noted British historian and a Jew, stated that Pius deserved thanks not blame.

* Richard Breitman, authorized by the United States Government to study World War II’s secret espionage documents, the only historian allowed to do so, observed they proved the extent to which Hitler distrusted the Holy See because it hid Jews.

* London’s “Jewish Chronicle”: “Before during and after the Second World War, he tried to carry a message of peace. Confronting the monstrous cruelties of Nazism, Fascism and Communism, he continually proclaimed the virtues of humanity and compassion.”

* Dr. Joseph Nathan, who represented the Hebrew Commission: “Above all, we acknowledge the supreme Pontiff and the religious men and women who, executing the directives of the Holy Father, recognized as their brothers and with great abnegation, hastened to help them, disregarding the terrible dangers to which they were exposed.”

* Adolph Eichmann, Nazi SS Lieutenant Colonel: In early 2000 the government of Israel, after nearly 40 years, released the diaries of Eichmann who had been executed in 1962 “for crimes against the Jewish people and against humanity.” Eichmann wrote of the deportation of Jews from Rome and that the Vatican “vigorously protested the arrest of Jews, requesting the interruption of such action; on the contrary, the Pope would denounce it publicly.”

So, if they Jews themselves – the very people who would be likely to be critical of the Pope if he had ignored their suffering – during and after the war, offered such praise for the Pope, then who is anyone else to be critical?

Some of the Jewish organizations that praised Pope Pius XII at the time of his death for saving Jewish lives during the horror of the Nazi Holocaust were:

+ The World Jewish Congress
+ The American Jewish Committee
+ The American Jewish Congress
+ The Anti-Defamation League
+ The Central Conference of American Rabbis
+ The National Conference of Christians and Jews
+ The National Council of Jewish Women.
+ The New York Board of Rabbis
+ The Rabbinical Council of America
+ The Synagogue Council of America

No serious scholar contests the evidence that Pius XII took direct and indirect measures to save Jews from the Nazi death machine.
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