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Yvette

A Chinese millionaire on trial in the High Court at Auckland for fraud boasted to immigration officials that he had MP friends who would ensure he got citizenship.
The high-ranking officials were stunned when then Cabinet minister Shane Jones approved the application one day after getting his file. They were certain Yong Ming Yan, also known as Bill Liu, who had been red-flagged by Interpol, stood little chance.

– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6943391/Tycoon-boasted-of-his-MP-mates

Anti-corruption One-Law-For-All campaigner Penny Bright will surely lay a complaint with the police over this matter too and it will be interesting to see if Shearer stands his Minister down while he is investigated?
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May 18, 2012 8:01am
jaba

dollars to donuts (or that should be dollars to a bag of Hooch) GD will be hi-jacked again today
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May 18, 2012 8:03am
jaba

oh my god .. Anderton is back on telly .. campaigning for the mayor’s job already?
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May 18, 2012 8:04am
jaba

stop wondering Yvette .. the answer will be NO
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May 18, 2012 8:05am
Keeping Stock

Not just Shane Jones Yvette; David Cunliffe is donkey-deep in this festering mess as well. Watch for the Left to wail about Pansy Wong having written a letter of recommendation for this bloke, but Pansy Wong was not the Minsiter who refused to revoke Liu’s residence on advice from officials; that was David Cunliffe. And Pansy Wong was not the Minsiter who approved Liu’s citizenship in record time against the advice of officials, and despite Interpol’s interest in Liu; that was Shane Jones.

Did Bill Liu buy citizenship? You be the judge.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/truth-emerges.html
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May 18, 2012 8:10am
Pete George

Sean Davison has written a letter to the editor of ODT, repeating that it’s a time to talk, and thinks it’s also time for a law change.

Time to talk about dying

One of the main reasons to publish was to open the public’s eyes to the issues surrounding the deaths of our loved ones and encourage debate on a change in the law. Society is now embracing issues that have previously been uncomfortable to deal with such as sexuality, homosexuality, contraception, Aids, abortion and drug abuse.

I believe we are now ready to discuss the complex issues around death and dying. By openly discussing these issues, it also helps prepare us for death and may make us less afraid. Death is something we all must face.

I believe there is public support for a law change and I hope our politicians will take notice. New Zealand has led the world in social and cultural reform. Now I believe we are ready to lead the world in dealing with this complex issue.

And I’m continuing to collate news, links and discussions on Euthanasia here.

Maryan Street’s End of Life Choice Bill isn’t on the Members Bill list yet.
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May 18, 2012 8:11am
Falafulu Fisi

Another beautiful piano quintet of Semper Fidelis, which is a different one from yesterday. Its a nice tune to start your last day of the week before weekends (except Phil U which everyday is a weekend and a holiday – from January 1st to December 31st every year).
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May 18, 2012 8:16am
Scott Chris

The Wiggles Adds A Female Member:

A cleanout of The Wiggles has seen a woman join the Australian children’s musical troupe for the first time.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10806728
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May 18, 2012 8:27am
kowtow

TV3 “news” is so shit!

Ratko Mladic the worst war criminal in Europe since the nazis. So Stalin didn’t exist?

More coverage of celebrities than the European financial and political meltdown?
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May 18, 2012 8:28am
Falafulu Fisi

Those who don’t have a job and live on the internet 24hours are in danger of having depression long term.

Internet Usage Patterns May Signify Depression
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May 18, 2012 8:43am
Nookin

Kowtow

Pol Pot
Idi Amin
Milosevic
Rwanda (don’t know who)
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May 18, 2012 8:43am
Redbaiter

Time for all those who ridiculed those concerned with Obama’s Constitutional Eligibility to eat crow-

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Drudge is now on to it.
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May 18, 2012 8:48am
Carlos

Are all Kiwis this pissy and whiny in Australia? How about we respect Australia’s sovereignty and right to have their own laws regarding new immigrants?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806640
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May 18, 2012 8:49am
Don the Kiwi

Falafula Fisi.
8.43 am.

I’m sure that applies to no-one on this blog.

I wonder what jaba was going on about? 🙂
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May 18, 2012 8:50am
philu

“..The Wiggles Adds A Female Member:..”

isn’t that in revelations..?

..(‘and the female wiggle shall lay down/join with the males..’..)

..and is this not just yet another sign of the impending rapture..?

..quick..!..someone tell fletch..!

..he’ll probably need/want to update/refresh his rapture-pack…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 18, 2012 8:51am
Manolo

Who is telling the truth? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
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May 18, 2012 8:52am
Falafulu Fisi

Don…

I’m sure that applies to no-one on this blog.

Phil U.
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May 18, 2012 8:58am
Don the Kiwi

And right on cue………………

philu………. 🙂
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May 18, 2012 8:58am
graham

Folks, a plea: Ignore him.

Not worth it.
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May 18, 2012 9:03am
Pete George

Can Mallard wigggle out of this one? http://www.imperatorfish.com/2012/05/new-wiggles-line-up-announced.html

Can Mallard wigggle out of this one? http://www.imperatorfish.com/2012/05/new-wiggles-line-up-announced.html

And Graeme Edgeler with an informative and sometimes amusing post (and comments) on serving: http://publicaddress.net/legalbeagle/sanctuary/
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May 18, 2012 9:24am
cows4me

David Shearer on morning TV3. ” I don’t tend to read Trotter, I find his views unhelpful”. Fuck I bet that will get old Trotts coughing up last nights Chardonnay. Expect another editorial on why silent T would save socialism in NZ.
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May 18, 2012 9:27am
TheContrarian

I got into a hilarious “debate” with The Standard regular The JackalMan (I believe he floats around here upon occasion) regarding the Police officer who allegedly stole some sunglasses from a store in the red-zone. It was a fairly amusing exchange..
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May 18, 2012 9:36am
RRM

Maybe THIS time the birth certificate smears will stick eh Red Birther?
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May 18, 2012 9:43am
Pete George

I don’t think the Jackal is welcome to float around here, I think this was him:

todd 11-Sep-32 non stop trolling plus threatening to sue me

He’s an odd one to “debate” with, seems to think his assumptions (he’s a frequent conclusion jumper) are as good as facts.
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May 18, 2012 9:44am
TheContrarian

@Pete Oh, i thought I had seen him here before – could be wrong.
Anyway, it was a highly amusing exchange.
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May 18, 2012 9:50am
graham

That’s really quite funny. I saw he wrote:

Criminal A is Maori and comes from the general public while criminal B was a police officer and likely to be Pakeha.

And then in one his replies to you he writes:

New Zealand police and the judiciary system in general has long discriminated against Maori people. Are you knew to this country?

(That’s directly off the website, so Jackal’s mis-spelling, not mine).

Excellent! So now, if you happen to have an opinion, that can be used to substantiate sweeping statements of supposed fact.
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May 18, 2012 9:56am
TheContrarian

I thought the funniest bit was how he steadfastly refused to admit the thief took $24000 worth of property, preferring to state that he got away with $6000 worth of property. As if it somehow matters.
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May 18, 2012 10:01am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/how-big-pharma-and-the-psychiatric-establishment-drugged-up-our-kids-commentwhoar-why-are-doctors-turning-children-into-speed-freaks/

“…Pediatric psychopharmacology is a billion-dollar business that sustains Pharma and Pharma investors on Wall Street…”

(ed:..as part of a misspent youth i used ritalin as a recreational drug a couple of times..(before recoiling in horror from it..)..

..and it really does my head in how doctors now hand out this garbage drug to children..like lollies..

..make no mistake..this drug is a real head-fucker..

..and all i feel is sympathy for those children now being drugged in this way…

..making little speed-freaks…

..and what compounds my horror at this wholesale drugging of ‘difficult children..

..is the awareness that were i a child now..

..i would be top of the list/head of the queue to be ritalined..

..this era of wholesale drugging of children will be looked back on from the future ..

..with the question then being:..

..’what the fuck were they thinking..?’..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 18, 2012 10:04am
RRM

^^^ Because what do Psychiatrists know about anything, huh?

I’m sure they just give strong medicines out “like lollies” in order to prop up their mates in the drug industry…
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May 18, 2012 10:12am
Fletch

“..The Wiggles Adds A Female Member:..”

isn’t that in revelations..?

..(‘and the female wiggle shall lay down/join with the males..’..)

..and is this not just yet another sign of the impending rapture..?

..quick..!..someone tell fletch..!

..he’ll probably need/want to update/refresh his rapture-pack…

Thanks phil, that actually made me laugh 😀
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May 18, 2012 10:58am
Fletch

Yvette, Ian Wishart was all over the Shane Jones story way back in 2008 (and maybe even earlier), He may even have broke the story –

http://www.investigatemagazine.com/tgif24Oct08.pdf
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May 18, 2012 11:00am
Fletch

ANd –

http://www.investigatemagazine.com/tgif21nov08.pdf

Funny how these trials take so long to come around. That was almost 4 years ago.
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May 18, 2012 11:08am
graham

Robert Roest gets six and a half years in jail, the same as his buddy Rod Petricevic. Peter Steigrad is shortly to be sentenced.

Getting harder to be a white-collar crim these days …

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10806770
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May 18, 2012 12:01pm
Pete George

Yesterday Trevor indicated his career intentions. How does retirement in 2040 sound?
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May 18, 2012 12:04pm
graham

Further on Jackal’s accusation that New Zealand police and the judiciary system in general has long discriminated against Maori people …

A quick scan of NZ Herald online right now shows:
– Sentencing of Bridgecorp directors (not Maori)
– Charges laid against a Somalian accused of a knife attack (not Maori)
– Former All Black Stephen Bachop guilty of drugs and assault (not Maori)
– Yusef Vonn Zurich who got drunk, punched his arm through a window and died of blood loss (not Maori)
– Life & Style Editor Nicky Park is giving up booze, with a big photo of her and a glass of beer (not Maori)
– The case of “runaway millionaire” Kara Hurring (not Maori)

So, following Jackal’s fine tradition of making any assumption and stating it as fact, I hereby declare my outrage that the media and the judicial system are obviously discriminating against non-Maori, showing them as being cheats, violent, druggies, drunkards, and thieves.

This discrimination against non-Maori must stop!
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May 18, 2012 12:28pm
joe90

– Yusef Vonn Zurich who got drunk, punched his arm through a window and died of blood loss (not Maori)

He is.
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May 18, 2012 12:42pm
graham

Really? With a name like that? My apologies.

Mind you, it does go to show the dangers of assuming things, like Jackal … 🙂
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May 18, 2012 12:47pm
Paulus

Good grief Jim Anderton slanging off the Anglican Church over their right to demolish their Cathedral.

From a “good” Catholic I find this fanciful. Silly Arse.
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May 18, 2012 12:51pm
david

Aint such a thing as a “good” catholic. They are always having to fess up to sins and repeat little poems as punishment. By definition they must all be “bad”
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May 18, 2012 1:06pm
wikiriwhis business

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Finally getting to the perpertrators of 9/11
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May 18, 2012 1:51pm
Fletch

Aint such a thing as a “good” catholic. They are always having to fess up to sins and repeat little poems as punishment. By definition they must all be “bad”

LOL.
David, that depends on what you mean by “good” and “bad”.
When a child does something bad and owns up to his parents about it, is that good? I would say yes.
Likewise, a good Catholic (or a good person in general) recognizes their bad mistakes, takes responsibility, apologizes and makes amends.
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May 18, 2012 2:17pm
david

You are right of course Fletch but when presented with a free shot who can resist.
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May 18, 2012 2:19pm
Fletch

Glenn Beck hour long special (FREE to view) on how Obama’s life is actually a FICTION.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/05/16/free-glenns-expose-on-barack-obama-and-his-fairytale-story/

Very good viewing.
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May 18, 2012 2:29pm
Ryan Sproull

Very good viewing.

It’s certainly entertaining.
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May 18, 2012 2:59pm
TheContrarian

Glenn Beck? You really take the word of a lying shill for Gold Line who bursts into tears whenever “USA”, “Patriotism or “Ronal Reagan” is mentioned? Good luck with that
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May 18, 2012 3:43pm
Pete George

I’d like some help on assets sales – there’s a few views around on whether Peter Dunne’s position changed from before the election to after.

Was anyone here not clear on the UF position on asset sales before the election?
Did anyone think United Future would oppose Nationals mixed ownership model?
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May 18, 2012 3:45pm
TheContrarian

@Pete – i would just take the 3 month ban dude 🙂
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May 18, 2012 3:46pm
Fletch

Glenn Beck? You really take the word of a lying shill for Gold Line who bursts into tears whenever “USA”, “Patriotism or “Ronal Reagan” is mentioned? Good luck with that

I don’t need to take his word for anything. It’s video of Obama’s own words that convicts him. Beck just draws attention to them.
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May 18, 2012 3:50pm
TheContrarian

Here ya go Fletch, try these guys. You should get on with them 🙂
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May 18, 2012 3:55pm
Pete George

TheContrarian – it would be worth it to show both Zetetic and Eddie are bullshitting. They knew very well what the Dunne/UF position was, as I’ve now shown. They’ll just look hissy if they ban me.
http://thestandard.org.nz/dunne-angry/

That’s going to be a reference post on asset sales.
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May 18, 2012 3:58pm
Ryan Sproull

I don’t need to take his word for anything. It’s video of Obama’s own words that convicts him. Beck just draws attention to them.

Yeah, being born four years before the rally at which he claims his parents met is pretty odd.
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May 18, 2012 4:00pm
TheContrarian

@Ryan

this might help:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp
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May 18, 2012 4:16pm
Ryan Sproull

Ah, interesting. Thanks, Contrarian.
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May 18, 2012 4:56pm
bc

graham @ 12.28pm
No Maori getting convictions today? Good grief, what is Manolo going to talk about?
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May 18, 2012 5:48pm
Steve (North Shore)

Easy now, inhale – exhale – inhale – exhale.
Son, where the rest of my good Dak? I need it now – nobody is talking to me – or about me. All gone wtf, get a delivery right now and get me some ritalin
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May 18, 2012 6:54pm
Leaping Jimmy

Some people may recall I’ve been saying for the last nine months or so, Obama may? play the race card during the campaign. Regardless of what playing that may do to the American people re: the millions of well-armed poor blacks in large urbans who are quite resentful, thanks to the GFC.

Here’s another clue he may do just that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9268002/US-election-When-your-name-is-Barack-Hussein-Obama-getting-elected-is-difficult.html
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May 18, 2012 7:02pm
Steve (North Shore)

A Facebook friend in Colorado sent me this, grab the Tax and spend it

The socialist death spiral has reached a fairly advanced stage when leftists start nailing the exits shut.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=51556
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May 18, 2012 7:19pm
nasska

Fail & disaster shorts for those with far too much time on their hands:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=188&f=1650&t=7769534
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May 18, 2012 7:39pm
nasska

Steve (North Shore)

There never was a crisis that a socialist wouldn’t attempt to fix with compulsion & OPM.
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May 18, 2012 7:44pm
Johnboy

Quiet day on GB. No one eaten a raw sheep today then? 🙂
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May 18, 2012 7:48pm
nasska

Johnboy

It’s all down to the silence of the lambs.
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May 18, 2012 7:57pm
Johnboy

Recent footage from Auckland……Benchrest shot from the Client Service window of a local Social Welfare office…..Calibre. Winzchester 20.12…… Scope 12 x 50 Lazer & Loser Exterminator. 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBbJR4jdBis&feature=related
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May 18, 2012 7:58pm
nasska

A couple made a deal that whoever died first would come back and inform the other if there is sex after death.
Their biggest fear was that there was no after life at all.
After a long life together, the husband was the first to die. True to his word, he made the first contact:
” Martha………Martha ”
“Is that you, Bill?”
“Yes, I’ve come back like we agreed.”
“That’s wonderful! What’s it like?”
“Well, I get up in the morning, I have sex. I have breakfast and then it’s off to the golf course.
I have sex again, bathe in the warm sun and then have sex a couple of more times.
Then I have lunch (you’d be proud – lots of greens). Another romp around the golf course, then pretty much have sex the rest of the afternoon. After supper, it’s back to golf course again.
Then it’s more sex until late at night. I catch some much needed sleep and then the next day it starts all over again”

“Oh, Bill! Are you in Heaven?”

“No — I’m a rabbit in Otago ”
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May 18, 2012 8:01pm
HB

“He revealed that no cuts would be made to frontline services.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806831
“Police ‘dismayed’ by job cuts”

what will this mean in practice?
If there are 125 less staff? If there are this many not doing the ‘back-office’ functions this means the ‘front-office’ staff will be doing it. Because the ‘back-office’ stuff is actually essential. So if front-office staff are spending less time being on the beat, what does this mean for you, me and our families?
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May 18, 2012 8:11pm
HB

And if you think that the back office functions are non-essential….
explain that to the victims of the stuff-ups made by system failure
e.g. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806470
ACC’s new privacy breach: 100 clients’ details emailed
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May 18, 2012 8:15pm
Steve (North Shore)

It’s all down to the silence of the lambs.

The sequel was ‘Shutup You’
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May 18, 2012 8:15pm
HB

or…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806818
Hospital security staff targeted in proposal
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May 18, 2012 8:16pm
wiseowl

The latest poll shows a 2.5% drop for National.
Why do they show no support at all for the CP?
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May 18, 2012 8:17pm
HB

Run out of sheep?
http://www.hornygoat.co.nz/
you can even get them drive-thru!

apparently you can pick one up today
and they are interested in
how they can get you going 😉
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May 18, 2012 8:24pm
Steve (North Shore)

What are Hamilton Police doing in Titirangi?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806869&ref=rss
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May 18, 2012 8:30pm
nasska

HB

A novel concept…..could even outshine “Mutton on the Move”.

We’ll have to get Johnboy to give that the KB seal of approval.
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May 18, 2012 8:35pm
HB

An Australian ventriloquist visiting New Zealand, walks into a small village and sees a local sitting on his porch patting his dog. He figures he’ll have a little fun.
Ventriloquist: “G’day Mate! Good looking dog, mind if I speak to him?”
John: “The dog doesn’t talk, you stupid Aussie.”
Ventriloquist: “Hello dog, how’s it going mate?”
Dog: “Doin’ all right”
John: (look of extreme shock)
Ventriloquist: “Is this villager your owner?” (pointing at the villager)
Dog: “Yep”
Ventriloquist: “How does he treat you?”
Dog: “Real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food and takes me to the lake once a week to play.”
John: (look of utter disbelief)
Ventriloquist: “Mind if I talk to your horse?”
John: “Uh, the horse doesn’t talk either….I think.”
Ventriloquist: “Hey horse, how’s it going?”
Horse: “Cool”
John: (absolutely dumbfounded)
Ventriloquist: “Is this your owner?” (pointing at the villager)
Horse: “Yep”
Ventriloquist: “How does he treat you?”
Horse: “Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down often and keeps me in the barn to protect me from the elements.”
John: (total look of amazement)
Ventriloquist: “Mind if I talk to your sheep?”
John: “The sheep’s a liar”
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