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dime

lmao oh no? im a mug punter? i always think im getting a deal 🙂

FYI i dont frequent hookers when im in a relationship.

speaking of no intimacy – when were you last in a relationship phil? (not including the tricks you did)
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May 14, 2012 2:16pm
philu

‘mug-punter’ isn’t referring to the price you pay/negotiate..

..it is just how/what you are/do…

..and how they think of you…eh..?

..and don’t forget that word..eh..?..you are a ‘trick’…that they ‘turn’…

(and a touchy subject for you..?..having to respond with ad-homs..?..)

(gee..!..hope i’m not denting yr sneering arrogances..eh..?..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 2:23pm
Falafulu Fisi

National Party past promises : We’re going to need a bigger stadium
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May 14, 2012 2:30pm
dime

Phil – ya dont seem to understand. i love handing over $250 and sleeping with a smoking hot chick. Its easy. no nagging involved, no dinner with the dunce. just dirty filthy sex.

And really, who cares. Its just sex. Nothing worse than a creepy junkie talking about intimacy. is sex really more intimate than sharing a needle?

What about the terrified look in the eye of some chemist and you rob him – thats pretty intimate? 😀
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May 14, 2012 2:34pm
Fletch

Griff –

Sir Frederic G. Kenyon, who was the director and principal librarian of the British Museum and second to none in authority for issuing statements about MSS, says, “…besides number, the manuscripts of the New Testament differ from those of the classical authors, and this time the difference is clear gain. In no other case is the interval of time between the composition of the book and the date of the earliest extant manuscripts so short as in that of the New Testament. The books of the New Testament were written in the latter part of the first century; the earliest extant manuscripts (trifling scraps excepted) are of the fourth century – say from 250 to 300 years later.

“This may sound a considerable interval, but it is nothing to that which parts most of the great classical authors from their earliest manuscripts. We believe that we have in all essentials an accurate text of the seven extant plays of Sophocles; yet the earliest substantial manuscript upon which it is based was written more than 1400 years after the poet’s death.”

Kenyon continues in The Bible and Archaeology: “The interval then between the dates of original composition and the earliest extant evidence becomes so small as to be in fact negligible, and the last foundation for any doubt that the Scriptures have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed. Both the authenticity and the general integrity of the books of the New Testament may be regarded as finally established.”
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May 14, 2012 2:46pm
Chthoniid

By the way, the Bible … was preserved and copied by highly educated scribes, who had to copy exactly every single letter to perfection.

Odd then with such attention to accuracy, a whole section of Mark gets added later on. Or that the earliest versions we have of John omit any mention of the stoning of the adulterer (cf. Ehrmann, NT scholar). Funny that such strict attention to perfection could resemble later legendary embellishment so well.
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May 14, 2012 3:10pm
thedavincimode

The Davinci Code is not an academic work.

Is too.
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May 14, 2012 3:23pm
Griff

Fletch
my point about the censoring of gospel that did not agree with the teachings of the roman church is valid
as is the fact the new testament does not contain scripture written at the time of Jesus but the teachings of persons removed from that time by at least two generations

This one is for John boy and gives him religious permission n to love sheep especially big ones 😆
Thomas 107
there was a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, I love you more than the ninety-nine.”
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May 14, 2012 3:30pm
philu

so..why the need to share..?

..(does it make you feel like a ‘big-man’ or something..

..’look at me..!..i buy hookers..!’..(what a strange little man you are…)

..are you very homely in appearance..?

..bordering on beefy..?

and even more bizzare…

‘sharing’ while hiding/snivelling behind a fake name…

..how old are you..?

..19..?

..are you just some pimply-faced actite on campus..?

..fantasising about what you will do/the women you will buy..?.. with the great wealth coming yr way…..?

..(and meanwhile…reduced to a box of tissues and a monitor..?..heh..!..)

..as i said..you are a strange little man…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 4:50pm
Akaroa

Hey, James Stevenson at 1.46!!

(You’re probably long gone, but here goes!)

I’ve just pulled out my copy of the Leicester Mercury’s report of the City v Tranmere Worthington Cup Wembley final of Feb 2000.

Clint Hill’s red card and sending off after his foul on Emile Heskey was well deserved. He’d already been yellow carded for a similar attack on Stefan Oakes.

Full time score: Leicester City 2 – Tranmere Rovers 1, and I read that,” Tranmere’s disappointed fans chanted “Boring, boring Leicester” to mask their own deep dejection”.

However, in the spirit of true soccer sportsmanship I have to concede the Mercury report also contains the following:

“Leicester are often credited with being one of the most spirited and hard-working teams in the land, but Tranmere matched them every step of the way in a show which must have had manager John Aldridge’s own heart beating with pride as the Birkenhead banner fluttered in the Wembley breeze”

S’ppose I should sign off with the old City terraces cry – “Leicester! Leicester til we die!!”
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May 14, 2012 5:16pm
slijmbal

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-03-29/
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May 14, 2012 5:17pm
Elaycee

Odakyu-sen says: “But welfare should be stripped of those qualities that make it so addictive. It should keep people alive, but it should be: a) unpleasant to remain on, and b) have many avenues to help those on it to leave it. ”

No argument here…. 🙂
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May 14, 2012 5:33pm
Don the Kiwi

Griff.

For someone as anti-christian/religion as you, you spend an awful lot of time quoting biblical texts.
Trouble is, quoting the gospel of Thomas, which has always been recognised as being apocraphyl and does not represent any Christian teaching, simply shows what an absolute dumb arse you are.

I just think you are either:1. A sicko who looks for any excuse to attack Christainity.
2. Someone desperately searching for the Truth, but not fiding it.

Which one is it?

In the meantime, you are very obtuse in your exegesis. 🙂
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May 14, 2012 5:52pm
nasska

Don the Kiwi

You are making a presumption that all atheists have either never been exposed to religion or are living wretched lives of gross unhappiness while waiting for some evangelical God botherer to save them. In my case I was brought up during the Christianity saturated 50s & later sent to a church boarding school to cement my relation with the Big Bloke Upstairs. There were plenty of us who had the crap rammed down our throats & although we have rejected the whole concept it doesn’t mean that we don’t have a good grounding in religious teaching.

I frankly don’t care one way or the other. If believing in a higher being floats your boat then go hard. You are, however, optimistically naive if you think that those who the church has shat upon from a great height are not going to point out possible holes in your belief.
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May 14, 2012 6:09pm
philu

fuck..you god-guys never give up..do you..?

..(it is like a fucken circle of hell..)

..hasn’t it all been said before..over and over and fucken over again..?

..and yeah..the atheists are as bad as the god-bothers..

..both as arrogant/ignorant as each other in their shouted certainties..

..none of them know fucken diddly-squat..

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 6:17pm
philu

and yes..dilbert is in the top five of unfunniest cartoons on the planet…

..never once ever..have i seen one that raised the faintest smile..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 6:21pm
Griff

“does not represent any Christian teaching”

no kidding
I and others would say yes it would have been closer to the truth of the teachings of jesus than the dogma and Rome centric views of the present Cristian church
It is as valid as any of the testaments of the gospel and is one of a number of texts removed from the new testament as it did not reflect the views of the gentile church
As i have previously stated it would be ignorant to not believe in something with out at least a working understanding of wot that belief entails
I am an atheist and in my late teens I made an effort to read the Bible and the history of the times Some thing that many Christians have failed to do
Ask most Christians how many Israelites died on crosses in ad thirty and you get HUH some thing that has relevance to the beliefs of the Cristian church today as the churches view of the time has been filtered by the necessity of the roman occupation
The classic is “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” in present Cristian dogma commands people to respect state authority and to pay the taxes it demands of them.
when it was written it said the opposite of the present understanding ie dont give to Rome a drachma as they have no rite to the fruits of the promised land

by the way congratulations yours is the first post I have read on KB that has required me to look up the meaning of more than one word 🙂
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May 14, 2012 6:26pm
graham

Fancy that:

philu thinks one of the literary geniuses of the 20th century (Tolkien) is dull – and thinks that one of the longest running comic strips is unfunny.

Although I can understand why he thinks Dilbert is unfunny – he wouldn’t be able to relate, because mostly it’s about work …
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May 14, 2012 6:27pm
Lucia Maria

Archbishop Fulton Sheen said not to argue with atheists who used to be believers as their issue is normally something moral. Otherwise we just go around pointless circles. The moral issue is generally sex. Young Johnny or Timmy has sex or looks at porn and then can’t cope with the guilt, so denies religious belief altogether. Sexual sin distorts everything.
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May 14, 2012 6:39pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/6918161/Are-homophobes-actually-secretly-gay

Lucia, its in the media so it must be true
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May 14, 2012 6:42pm
wat dabney

Archbishops do talk a load of crap, don’t they.

The answer to a logical fallacy is to claim that one’s opponent is a wanker.
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May 14, 2012 6:44pm
philu

tolkien isn’t ‘dull’ if yr penchant is for cross-country hiking…

(as i said..if you think tolkien is good..mervyn peakes’ titus-trilogy will bend yr mind out of shape..

..tolkien bored me rigid..but i am a total fan-boy of peakes..

and dilbert sucks and blows on so many levels..and always has done…who can be bothered listing them..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 6:49pm
Johnboy

Haven’t any of you contributors to 121 comments got a fucken job?

(Not you Phool…I know about you! )…..eh? 🙂
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May 14, 2012 6:49pm
Lucia Maria

Paul,

Yeah, seen that. Seems to have caused quite a stir of excitement.

Next they’ll be claiming homophobes were born that way.
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May 14, 2012 6:51pm
philu

and graham..a quiet word…you are as funny as dilbert..eh..?

..i’d stop trying..eh..?

..could be best..

..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 6:51pm
Griff

Does that mean lucia that you can argue with one such as I that has not at any time believed in religion santa clause and other Phantasmagorical creations of the warped human mind
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May 14, 2012 6:53pm
philu

see..tolkien tries to create a believable/engrossing different world..

…whereas peake succeeds at that task..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz..
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May 14, 2012 6:54pm
Lucia Maria

Wat,

This particular archbishop is advancing in his cause for sainthood, so no crap involved.
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May 14, 2012 6:54pm
Johnboy

You old liar you Griff! 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7qGnYmVEwM
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May 14, 2012 6:55pm
Lucia Maria

Griff,

I argue with anyone when I’m in the mood.
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May 14, 2012 6:55pm
Pauleastbay

Lucia

Thats actually the point, they are born that way and then spend endless years in denial. Wallowing in self loathing or becoming serial killers
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May 14, 2012 6:56pm
Johnboy

I love ladies with foreign names. 🙂

Must meet up with you when you are not too moody Lucia! 🙂
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May 14, 2012 6:58pm
Griff

Its raining outside JB and id get my little tootsies all cold a damp if I ventured far from the key board

Ive got a loverly quote from the gospel of Thomas for U so the day has not been totally fruitless
Thomas vs 107
The kingdom is like a “shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, I love you more than the ninety-nine.”

see Jesus said its ok especially if its the big ones
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May 14, 2012 7:04pm
Johnboy

Only if you chuck them on the barbie Griff and are mainly gay!

“All of the mammals used as burnt offerings, regular or special, were to be males. The regular sin offerings were he-goats only, while the special sin offerings consisted of he-goats, bullocks, female lambs or goats, pigeons, turtledoves, and, in one instance only, a male “lamb,” that being in the cleansing from leprosy. Leprosy, with its decay and potentially deadly consequences, the suffering caused by it, and separation from one’s fellow man, is truly a symbol of sin, in general, but not of specific sins. When Jesus died on the cross He did so for the sins of all, in all ages, in general, thus taking away the sin (the leprosy) of the world. “
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May 14, 2012 7:10pm
Lucia Maria

Paul,

That’s the theory, but there is a counter-theory that it’s an inability to properly associate with their own sex at age 2 due to emotional distance or some other factor. That way it feels like they’ve been born with it, but because we as a society really seem to focus on treating boys and girls as interchangeable and because we just assume it’s not repairable, we don’t know how to help these kids before they fall into damaging lifestyles.

Johnboy,

And for that very reason (among others), it’s really best not to.
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May 14, 2012 7:19pm
Johnboy

I love a challenge. 🙂
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May 14, 2012 7:21pm
bereal

Now you don’t need a lot of life experience to understand what a low, low life prat philu is.

“Back in his day, the prostitutes he associated with held their tricks in contempt.”

Poor old philu must have only known the dregs of the drug addict dregs. But thats no suprise.
Birds of a feather and all that eh.. philu…. ?

i know a couple of professional girls, and they don’t think like that.
they have a better class of client.

Then again they are not the type to be bending over in a public carpark for $40 bucks
and i doubt that a piece of shit like philu could save enough in a year to buy their services.

You really are a low, lowlife philu.
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May 14, 2012 7:22pm
Pauleastbay

…………….inability to properly associate with their own sex at age 2..

Presumably its too late to send my son off to homo school then, which is a shame because he dresses atrociously and he needs all the help he can get
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May 14, 2012 7:22pm
wat dabney

“This particular archbishop is advancing in his cause for sainthood, so no crap involved.”

The patron saint of child buggery?
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May 14, 2012 7:33pm
Viking2

Lucia Maria (909) Says:
May 14th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

Griff,

I argue with anyone when I’m in the mood.

Don’t all you ladies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_kZO6smypHw
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May 14, 2012 7:41pm
Don the Kiwi

nasska.
6.09 pm.

No mate, I’m not making any presumptions at all. I have quite a number of friends who are so called atheists. We have a beer together on regular occasions, and on rare occasions, religion crops up. None of them are disparaging. Some, like yourself, were brought up on a solid diet of religion, which they have rejected – partly. But we don’t get into heavy discussions on biblical interpretation, or the apocraphyl texts like the gospl of Thomas, because it is meaningless. We agree to disagree, and respect each others POV.

I also went to a Catholic boarding school. I don’t think I had religion thrust down my throat, but everyone has their own take – I came from a staunch Catholic family, although Dad never became a Catholic for many years. And as always, there came a time when I has to consider whether or not what I had been taught was dinkum. After a lot of thought and investigation – at 19 – 26 years of age, I decided for myself that it was. No doubt, other came to other conclusions – that is their free choice.

I now have a grown family, and grandchildren. I have decided that I will continue my work and my involvement with my family and friends – Christians, agnostics and atheists – all of them – and at the same time study for the Catholic diaconate. That means, that, God willing, I may be ordained a Deacon in the Catholic Church sometime soon. That does not preclude my discussions on this, or any other blog. It does not mean I will become a “bigotted Christian” and condemn anyone. I will continue to be Don the Kiwi, and continue to help who I can, express disagreement and criticism where necessary, and continue to enjoy life and a few beers with my friends.

God bless y’all 🙂
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May 14, 2012 7:45pm
nasska

Don the Kiwi

Fair enough….good luck with that.
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May 14, 2012 7:50pm
Johnboy

“I don’t think I had religion thrust down my throat”

One of the lucky ones eh or weren’t you pretty?
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May 14, 2012 7:53pm
krazykiwi

Don the Kiwi – Thanks for sharing that.
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May 14, 2012 7:54pm
Luc Hansen

Farkenell – religion and pointless personal abuse – another day at the office for Kiwiblog’s most deranged nutcases.
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May 14, 2012 7:57pm
nasska

Where will it end?

Now that our godless politicians are letting the homosexuals have their “marriages,” our children’s eyes will burn out of their skulls, upstanding heterosexuals will start making love to their golden retrievers and the Earth will explode into pink globules of KY Jelly — all to the soundtrack of RENT.

With every semblance of civil society gone and the police debauched into actual, non-ironic leather daddies, you’ll want to barricade your homes to protect yourself from those crazy, married gay leatherfolk whose reason for living is to force you to form a holy union with your parrot.

Start planning your Gay Wedding Cake today — you don’t have much time left before you are forced into a state of Holy sodomy.
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May 14, 2012 8:00pm
Johnboy

Thank goodness you have finally turned up then Luc.

Hard to play without the full deck! 🙂
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May 14, 2012 8:01pm
krazykiwi

Luc, regarding “pointless personal abuse”, I’ve lost track of the abuse you’ve hurled and commenters here. One recent piece of your typical abuse that comes to mind was this:

I thought that fat lying fucktard Breitbart had died and gone to hell!

Is that scum-sucking blog being kept going by someone else?

Do you work hard to be a hypocrite or, as it would appear, does it come nautrally to you?
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May 14, 2012 8:05pm
philu

“..That means, that, God willing, I may be ordained a Deacon in the Catholic Church sometime soon…”

good grief..!…and you one of the nastiest/vilest/most-hate-filled rightwing trolls here..

..you just spew bile..

..and you are a-wannabe-man-of-god..eh..?

..that is both fucken hilarious..

..and something else..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 8:08pm
Griff

Even nasska who at most times seem to be a deep pool of sanity in the ever growing maelstrom of weirdness that is nite time gd
seems to have added a joker to that full deck
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May 14, 2012 8:09pm
philu

but kk..brietbart was a ‘fat lying fucktard’..

..that is just a statement of fact..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 8:10pm
Don the Kiwi

“good grief..!…and you one of the nastiest/vilest/most-hate-filled rightwing trolls here..

..you just spew bile..

..and you are a-wannabe-man-of-god..eh..?

..that is both fucken hilarious..”

That’s really intersting philu.

Perhaps you could point me to a quote where I demonstrate that I am as you have described me.

Or is it because I have criticised you, and offended you poor little sense of entitlement?
Please elaborate.
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May 14, 2012 8:15pm
Johnboy

Just reminded me Griff:

SPOKEN:
During the North African Campaign, a bunch of soldier boys had been on a long hike.
They arrived in a little town called Casino.
The next morning being Sunday, several of the boys went to church.
A sergeant commanded the boys in church.

After the Chaplain read the prayer, the text was taken up next.
Those of the boys that had a prayer book took them out.
One boy had only a deck of cards, and he spread them out.
The sergeant saw the cards and said, “Soldier, put away those cards.”
After the service was over, the soldier was taken prisoner and brought before the Provost Marshall.

The Marshall said, “Sergeant, why have you brought this man here?”
“For playing cards in church, Sir,” was the response.
The Marshall asked the soldier, “And what have you to say for yourself, son?”
“Much, Sir,” replied the soldier.
The Marshall stated, “I hope so, for if not I will punish you more than any man was ever punished.”
The soldier said, “Sir, I have been on the march for about six months.
I have neither bible nor a prayer book, but I hope to satisfy you, sir, with the purity of my intentions.”
And with that, the boy started his story …

“You see, sir, when I look at the Ace, it reminds me that there is but one God.
And the deuce reminds me that the bible is divided into two parts: the Old and the New Testaments.
When I see the trey, I think of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
And when I see the four, I think of the four evangelists who preached the Gospel: there was Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
And when I see the five, it reminds me of the five wise virgins who trimmed their lamps;
there were ten of them: five were wise and were saved, five were foolish and were shut out.
When I see the six, it reminds me that in six days God made this heaven and earth.
And when I see the seven, it reminds me that on the seventh day, God rested from his great work.
And when I see the eight, I think of the eight righteous persons that
God saved when he destroyed the earth: there was Noah, his wife, their sons and their wives.
And when I see the nine, I think of the lepers our saviour cleansed, and that nine of the ten didn’t even thank him.
When I see the ten, I think of the ten commandments that God handed down to Moses on a tablet of stone.
When I see the King, it reminds me that there is but one King of Heaven, God Almighty.
And when I see the Queen, I think of the blessed Virgin Mary who is the Queen of Heaven.
And the Jack or Knave is the Devil.

When I count the number of spots in a deck of cards, I find 365, the number of days in a year.
There are 52 cards, the number of weeks in a year.
There are four suits, the number of weeks in a month.
There are twelve picture cards, the number of months in a year.
There are thirteen tricks, the number of weeks in a quarter.

So you see, Sir, my deck of cards serves me as a bible, an almanac and a prayer book.”

“And friends, this is a true story. I know, I was that soldier.”

No apostrophes just for you Magpie! 🙂
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May 14, 2012 8:17pm
krazykiwi

phil, the point was Luc’s [ongoing, sanctimonious] hypocrisy. Other than that, brietbart may be what you say, just like you are loathsome, drug dealing parasite, spitting in the faces of those who support your disgraceful, lazy lifestyle choice. You see? I’m all for statements of fact.
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May 14, 2012 8:18pm
Don the Kiwi

Just one little problem with that anecdote Johnboy.

Casino isn’t in North Africa. Think Italy. 🙂

But it touched the spot, ……eh?….. 😉
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May 14, 2012 8:19pm
philu

go read thru yr archives..

..i usually studiously ignore you..

..you are so consistantly vile..

..go on..!..show yr archives/comment history to those approving you as a ‘holy man’..

..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 8:20pm
Steve (North Shore)

“Hard to play without the full deck! ”
Some packs even included two ‘blank’ cards. That is obviously still the case
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May 14, 2012 8:21pm
Johnboy

Bloody Yanks Don!

No wonder they invaded Iraq!! 🙂
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May 14, 2012 8:21pm
bereal

Of course that means that the best our mate philu could manage, even at his
peak was a $40 standup bendover in his local RSA carpark.

And guess what ?
That piece of shit had never even served. Anywhere.

This POS now puts down the girls he took advantage of.

Thats what i mean when i say that philu is a low piece of shit.
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May 14, 2012 8:23pm
philu

that’s right..kk..and you were that crazy/homely/beefy thunder-thighs at that bloggers-drinks i walked out of after tiring of yr ongoing off-hand anti-semitism..

..eh..?

phillip ure.co.nz
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May 14, 2012 8:26pm
Griff

Steve (little jo burg)have you read any posts by pq
that one even I have serious misgivings over
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May 14, 2012 8:26pm
Don the Kiwi

philu.

I don’t keep archives – you’re the one making the allegation – put up, or shut up.

And I never claimed to be a holy man – I am as flawed as any other human being.
Just trying to make a difference to myself and to my fellow travellers on this earth. Is that too much to try for?
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May 14, 2012 8:28pm
nasska

Griff

That comment was meant to be facetious!
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May 14, 2012 8:32pm
Steve (North Shore)

The Deck of Cards,
I remember hearing that on a 78 record. Not 1978 morons, a 78rpm vinyl record.
Was a long time ago
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May 14, 2012 8:32pm
Griff

I do not think philu reference was to you dtk
it was to KK and his little habit of dredging up the past
he does seem to keep a record of the most radical post people make to trot out at a much later date
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May 14, 2012 8:32pm
mikenmild

Do you recall the rugby deck of cards. I can;t find the lyrics for the NZ song, which was a hit some years ago:

During the latter part of last season, a bunch of students had been on a long sponsored walk. They arrived in a little town called Ystrad.
The next day being Tuesday, some of the boys went training. A Welsh Rugby Union coach commanded the boys in training, and after he had outlined various scrummaging techniques, he told them to take out their Welsh Rugby Union handbook.
Those of the boys who had Welsh Rugby Union handbooks, took them out. But one boy had only a Deck of Cards, and so he spread them out.
The coach saw the cards and said ‘Boy, put away those cards!’
After the training session was over the boy was taken away, and taken in front of the Welsh Rugby Union.
And Bill Clement said, ‘Why have, you brought this boy here?’
‘For playing cards in a training session, sir.’
`And what have you to say for yourself, son?’
`Much, sir!’
And Bill Clement said ‘I hope so. For if you haven’t I will punish you more severely than any boy was ever punished.’
The boy said, ‘Sir, I have been away in college for six months and had with me neither Welsh Rugby Union handbook or my Ray Williams coaching leaflets!
‘But I hope to satisfy you, sir, with the purity of my intentions.’
And with that the boy began his story:
‘You see sir, when I look at the ace, it reminds me there is but one game, Rugby Football! And the ace also reminds me of Eddie Waring when he goes “Eh, eh, it’s an up-and-under.”
When I see the two It reminds me that there are two codes of Rugby… Rugby Union and * *!
When I see the trey, I think of the Viet Gwent – the Pontypool Front Row. Charlie Faulkner, Bobby Windsor and Graham Price.
When I see the four, it reminds me of the four Home Countries: Wales, Scotland, Ireland and ???????.
When I see the five, I think of the big five: three were wise and picked Dai – and two were foolish and picked Cobner!
When I see the six of course I think of Dai Morris.
When I see the seven, I think of the Snelling Sevens at the end of each season.
When I see the eight I think of the great Mervyn Davies, the greatest “number eight” in the world.
And of course when I see the nine I think of – Gareth Edwards? No, Dai Morris upside-down!
When I see the ten it reminds me of the years I worked in the Outside-half Factory, producing that self-same number ten.
When I see the jack, or the knave, or the devil I think of the Rugby League scouts.
When I see the queen I think of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, who bestowed on the great Gareth Edwards the MBE. (Some people will do anything for tickets!)
When I see the king, it reminds me of the player they once called “the king” – Barry John.
When I count the number of spots on my deck of cards I find 365 – the number of points we’ve scored against England in the last couple of games at Cardiff!
There are 52 cards in a pack: the number of people who come and see Pontardulais on Saturdays!
There are four suits: the number of weeks in a month.
There are twelve picture cards: the number of times Wales have won the Triple Crown.
There are thirteen tricks : the number of times they’ll have won it by this time next year!
So you see, sir, my pack of cards serves me not only as an almanac but as a Welsh Rugby Union handbook.
And friends, that story is true. I know, ‘cos I was that boy!’
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May 14, 2012 8:36pm
Griff

i do not think steve will be offended by the litle jo burg thing
he placed north shore as a aside to the constant jafa bashing that us of the real new zealand get
from the inbreeds in the boondocks
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May 14, 2012 8:37pm
Johnboy

Just for you Steve. 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pEV134UesI&feature=related

ps: The Asian dating ads are for Phool! 🙂
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May 14, 2012 8:39pm
Nostalgia-NZ

At least Bereal has returned to his roots, given up trying to get others to ignore Phillip and instead joined in the chorus. What a choir boyl.
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May 14, 2012 8:40pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ancestry leads back to Capetown Griff. Well according to my Daughter anyway
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May 14, 2012 8:46pm
Johnboy

We used to like Jaffas Griff till we found out Helen and Goofy came from there.

Maybe you should move? 🙂
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May 14, 2012 8:48pm
Griff

MM
how dear you insult those of the valleys
and the lov herders of sheep
those who toiled in the mines so the rest of the uk could have coal
you are nothing but a racist twat
jones jones jones and davies will be around to teach you some singing shortly
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May 14, 2012 8:51pm
nasska

Griff

Sling your hook & sail South to Castlepoint……the farmers out that way are definitely inbred but they have some pretty sheep.
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May 14, 2012 8:52pm
Johnboy

Griff could move to Wainui. Plenty of pretty sheep here.
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May 14, 2012 8:54pm
Steve (North Shore)

Now that Helen has fucked off, the big smoke is quite safe Johnboy.
Now if we can just get rid of a few more commies lol!
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May 14, 2012 8:56pm
nasska

The man’s spoiled for choice Johnboy.
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May 14, 2012 8:56pm
Steve (North Shore)

ps: The Asian dating ads are for Phool!
Wonder if he clicked. A nice Asian root is just so fine, but they would never go near a dropkick
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May 14, 2012 8:58pm
Johnboy

Always been hard for the Welsh to make a proper decision nasska.

Cardiff Arms Park!

What else can I say! 🙂
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May 14, 2012 8:58pm
Griff

Hopefully I will get to stay up here in the winter less north
there are far more lamas than sheep up here where i am and the natives are conspicuous in their absence
as all the local ones were invited for dinner by those further up
Opps not quit so winter less it just started hailing
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May 14, 2012 9:03pm
slijmbal

Johnboy (7,866) Says:
May 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

“I don’t think I had religion thrust down my throat”

“One of the lucky ones eh or weren’t you pretty?”

The shakespearean monkeys kicked in and you were actually funny – well done – you had to get lucky occasionally and randomly.

Amazing how much these streams are focusing on religion.

Christian morals – the basics – not the queers are evil type s**t or earth was created 6,000 years ago, if you’re not a roman catholic you are pagan and will go to hell and evolution doesn’t fit the bible crowd. Just the basic morals are a good set of morals – said by an ex roman catholic now atheist.

Even Aquinas admitted it was about belief and not proof – give it over religious types – the rest of us see it on a par with homeopathy. You are perceived as irrational and willing to believe in stuff with no evidence – your choice – but understand it is open to a certain amount of ridicule. You set yourselves up as an easy target – you are not being persecuted – we truly do not care about you enough to persecute you. You are just easy to insult as faith is a logic free zone.
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May 14, 2012 9:05pm
nasska

Griff

But are the llamas pretty?
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May 14, 2012 9:05pm
Johnboy

Cuddle up to a nice warm fleece Griff dai.

I always do that when it’s cold, or warm, or late, or early, or….. 🙂
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May 14, 2012 9:06pm
Leaping Jimmy

But are the llamas pretty?

It depends how much lipstick they’ve been given, nasska.
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May 14, 2012 9:07pm
Johnboy

Liverpool boat still on strike eh Slijmbal?

I’m beginning to see why the Murri’s got pissed off with colonists now. 🙂
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May 14, 2012 9:10pm
nasska

A repeat but since it’s roast the Welsh night:

Man is being prosecuted in Chester Crown Court for unnatural acts with a sheep. Prosecuting counsel wants to get away for an early bath so he says to the defense barrister that a guilty plea from the defendant for attempting the said act would be acceptable to the Crown and the defendant would probably get away with a modest fine.

Defense barrister refuses to accept the offer. ‘Why not?’ asks the prosecutor.

‘Well, if my client pleads guilty to attempt he will never be able to show his face in the pub again.’

Prosecuting counsel looks puzzled

‘Just imagine’, says defense counsel, ‘the things people would say ….’

Prosecuting counsel looks even more puzzled

‘….. here comes Dai – can’t even fuck a sheep’
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May 14, 2012 9:12pm
Yvette

Labour MP Louisa Wall said she was drafting a private members’ bill which would define marriage and enable same sex couples to wed.
The bill had not been discussed by Labour’s caucus but Wall said she hoped to be able to put it in the ballot next week.
Marriage equality and adoption equality were critical priorities for the gay community and her bill would provide both, she said.

Bang it out in a week – suppose they were vaguely thinking of it before Obama came out
with his statement
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May 14, 2012 9:18pm
Griff

slijmbal
Read the gospel of Thomas
It is more congruent with Jesus being a philosophizer
than the religious mumbo jumbo of the Cristian church
Its something that I had a vague knowledge of but in debating the un godly botheres today I was fortunate in revisiting its content
There is some truth of the concept of searching within yourself for a philosophy of life that most atheist do at some stage to justify their moral standpoints
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas
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May 14, 2012 9:33pm
slijmbal

@Griff

read the bible many, many times- altar boy for years – educated by Jesuits – I probably know more about most aspects of christianity and the bible than the vast majority of practising christians.

The point about the bible is one can always find a supporting quote, view, or gospel as it is rather disparate. It can support the incredibly intolerant, which is weird as turn the other cheek was one of the most attractive aspects of the bible.

Morals do not need religion for many people – sadly many people need religion for morals. Christian morals are a pretty good starting point for any moral position.
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May 14, 2012 9:42pm
Don the Kiwi

The thing is Griff, the gospel of Thomas is not part of the bible. It purports to be written by Thomas the apostle, but it was in fact, written arguably 100 years after Thomas was martyred in India.

Many of the apocraphyl books from early times contain a large degree of truth. It took many years discerning what books held revealed truth and which were not in line with true theology. The books of the bible, apart from the Old Testament – the Torah of the Jewish religion – in other words the New testament books, were not finally decided till about the year 450.

slijmbal is correct in so far as you can take a quote from some part of the bible to justify many opposing positions; they key factor is, does it conform to the complete teaching, or just a selected part of it. But quoting the gospel ofThomas is erroneous.
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May 14, 2012 10:19pm
Michael Mckee

In Obamaland the Chinese continue there takeover.
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/asia-pacific/227035-lawmakers-largely-silent-on-chinese-takeover-of-us-bank-branches
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May 14, 2012 10:42pm
Manolo

And abroad: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pn-european-elections-a-warning-to-obama-20120514,0,3845649.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29
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May 15, 2012 6:57am
Griff

Love it right around in a circle
Thank you for confirming my original post to lee666
“the new testament was not written down for at least two generations after the life of the carpenter of Bethlehem
Its content was carefully selected to eliminate any testament outside of the roman churches dogma and to fit within the world view of the roman empire not the Jewish original church”

And a little something for those that object to religious debate being included on KB
political leaning is dictated by personal morals
Many of the commentators here source their morals from religion
hence the focus on religious debate
Its far closer to the true moral outlook than labels such as Marxist commie and actiod
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May 15, 2012 7:03am
Don the Kiwi

Wrong Griff.

The gospel of Matthew was written around the year 38 or 40 – just a few years after Jesus death and resurrection.
And the other gospels were written within the next 50 years.
The reason was, they thought Jesus was returning not long after His ascension. As time went by, they came to the understanding that it could be many years – thousands in fact – before his return, so they committed Jesus teaching to writing – Matthew in Hebrew/Aramaic, and the others in Greek.
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