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April 8, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Longknives

OK the Beiber call was a little Tongue in Cheek…(But I love a good music debate on a lazy Sunday!)
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April 8, 2012 5:42pm
Nookin

Wonder how long Bluey will last? He and Pat Lam must be neck and neck.
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April 8, 2012 5:43pm
krazykiwi

The most recent theory I’ve heard is that the birth certificate scandal is that it’s a diversion from the primary reason for his illegitimacy, namely that the US constitution requires the president to be a natural born citizen, and apparently he isn’t. Ref an earlier comment about Justia.com’s surgical redaction of case law that defined Natural Born Citizen
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April 8, 2012 5:44pm
mikenmild

LJ
This link incorporates a picture of that announcement and further links to it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birther#Legislation_and_litigation
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April 8, 2012 5:44pm
Griff

Other_Andy
Are you trying to feel better about being an alt science nutter?
Dont let it worry you lots of nutters believe in alt med so you are not alone alt nutters are every were
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April 8, 2012 5:46pm
Fletch

ps, Obama has just given another 1.5 Billion dollars to Egypt – soon to be run by the Muslim Brotherhood, who have declared Jihad against the United States. What is he thinking??!

In October 2010, on the eve of the Islamic revolution that the media fancies as “the Arab Spring,” the Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood called for jihad against the United States.

You might think that this all but unnoticed bombshell would be of some importance to policymakers in Washington. It was not. It is not. This week, the Obama administration quietly released $1.5 billion in foreign aid to the new Egyptian government, now dominated by a Brotherhood-led coalition in parliament — soon to be joined by an Ikhwan (i.e., Brotherhood) luminary as president.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/295501/obama-funds-egyptian-government-andrew-c-mccarthy

Egypt is also firing on Israel, (the supposed ally of the United States). Obama is giving money to a country that has opened fire on an ally of the U.S…
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April 8, 2012 5:47pm
nasska

alex Masterley

Good advice & I might try it sometime although I would have to pick somewhere a little closer to home than Manukau.

My earlier comments were however, in response to the dilemma over what should be done with offenders such as Wilson who would have been sentenced in the High Court or whatever it was called eighteen odd years ago. District Court judges will make mistakes but they are dealing with lower level crimes & conveyor belt justice.

Not so with the High Court judges who have the luxury of long experience & time…..they should get it right, not usually but always.
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April 8, 2012 5:54pm
Other_Andy

Hi Griff

Nice to see you back.
Who can argue with all those convincing facts and reasoned (Peer reviewed) arguments you bring to the discussion?
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April 8, 2012 5:55pm
philu

nasska..re the diet-thang..this should scare the carnivores..the experts speak..

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/the-insiders-guide-to-cancer-prevention/

“..These experts spend their lives fighting cancer.

They have heard every tip, sensible or not – for how to avoid it.

They tell Oliver Laughland how their lifestyles have changed as a result..

The colorectal specialist:

Robert Steele, 60, professor of surgery, Ninewells hospital, University of Dundee

Over the decades spent working in oncology I’ve made a number of changes to my life.

I gave up smoking as a junior doctor while working on a respiratory ward and seeing so many lung cancer patients – I started taking vitamin D tablets after reading research linking a deficiency (of which there is much in Scotland due to the lack of sunlight) to certain types of cancer – and have always watched my weight.

These have all been relatively painless.

But in 2007, after attending the launch of the most compelling research I have read into lifestyle choices and cancer – I decided to temper my intake of red meat.

As director of the Scottish colorectal cancer screening programme I was aware of the links between excessive red and cured meat consumption with this and other forms of cancer – yet I still ate one meal a day that contained it.

I’m now down to about twice a week – and have almost completely cut out cured meat.

Reneging on bacon rolls has been difficult..”

cont..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 5:57pm
Leaping Jimmy

An excellent summary. One which sadly I predict, will go largely unseen but one which should be seen by all here debating the trivia of Obama’s birth since if one cares enough to debate that, then why isn’t one interested in what it represents in the larger picture?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYZksdzVxic&feature=relmfu
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April 8, 2012 6:06pm
mikenmild

Sorry LJ, the target audience for a video titled NWO: Secret Societies and Biblical Prophecies is one that is already convinced by this kooky rubbish. The sane members of the community find more reliable sources.
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April 8, 2012 6:09pm
Yvette

That Obama’s birth certificate is scanned into multiple layers for the puroses of OCR [Optical character recognition] would be a reasonable explanation if words and dates were not split onto more than one layer, and other touch-ups [of signatures mainly] suggest more work on layers than OCR would save.
It still does not make much sense unless it is a government department manufacturing work for itself to justify their continued essential employment.
I could believe that …
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April 8, 2012 6:13pm
Longknives

“..this should scare the carnivores..the experts speak”

I’m absolutely terrified- I’d better throw away the Sirloins I had planned for the BBQ tonight (they’ve been soaking in Kentucky Bourbon marinade for most of the day as well)
Dammit I hope my guests don’t mind my late change of menu- What would you recommend Philu?? Fried Tofu, Lentils and Bean salad?
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April 8, 2012 6:14pm
philu

this is what i wd recommend ..knives..

http://whoar.co.nz/?s=vegan++recipies

all ya need..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 6:19pm
Longknives

Cheers Phil!

I must admit the “Cruelty Free” Eggs Benedict has me a little perplexed- And here was me thinking that hens laid eggs naturally…I didn’t realise that us ‘evil carnivores’ were forcing them into it…wow, this is a real eye-opener!
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April 8, 2012 6:30pm
philu

did you see the gourmet french..and the gourmet indian..?

..’gourmet indian vegan..!..mmmm!!!’

phillip ure @whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 6:44pm
Leaping Jimmy

mm, your problem is you don’t realise “the target audience for a video titled NWO: Secret Societies and Biblical Prophecies” is you as the consumer thereof of the implications and the actions detailed therein.

Your only weapon is knowledge. If you choose to ignore it, you are the only one who suffers.

Well, you and also those whom you poison by your misunderstanding thereby preventing them from enlightenment.

Would you rather trust hollyweird to give you the truth? Really? Good luck mate. You’ll need it.

Bottom line is: if you’re quite unaware there is something wrong with this world today, if you’re quite sanguine about how things have been going for the last few decades and you’re certain that everything’s kosher then go ahead, trust Hollyweird. But if your intuition is telling you otherwise, then look at this, seriously. You’ve got nothing to lose. You can always check out Hollyweird later, can’t you.
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April 8, 2012 6:45pm
nasska

philu

In this instance there’s a good foundation of truth in what you say. Protein is protein & whether it is sourced from red meat, white meat or lentils probably matters more to one’s taste buds than one’s growth. For me the jury is still out over the dangers of red meat although I note that a diet lacking in iron is not conducive to good health. Worth noting is that vegan diets for infants & growing kids is a form of child abuse.

Smoked & cured meats contain nitrates to preserve colour & all nitrates are potential carcinogens.

If the quantity of life in years is one’s goal than a vegan diet may be the way to go. I’m ever mindful that extra years of life are not spent in youth or middle age but are added on to one’s dotage. Personally I’d rather risk a lamb roast & a good scotch fillet a few times a week than spend additional time in a dementia ward in geriatric nappies.

For what it’s worth I don’t condemn you for feeding your dogs a meatless diet. The natural diet of a canine is small mammals which are eaten whole, stomach contents & all. A dog, like a human, is an omnivore & as long as the diet is balanced the source of protein is unimportant. My (working) dogs get biscuits & a bit of bone each day & they’re the picture of health.
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April 8, 2012 6:46pm
Keeping Stock

Phillip Ure began

‘dog’ garrett said:..

DPF; please put the loser Phil out of his misery. He’s so far distanced from reality that he can’t see the irony of his abuse of another commenter whilst he tries to take the moral high ground on everything. He’s living, breathing proof that long-term cannabis abuse harms the brain.
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April 8, 2012 6:46pm
mikenmild

Yes, so I should watch your video. Let me guess – the end times are close and history is following biblical prophecy so closely as to leave no doubt of that. The UN is pushing to become a global government, continuing a long line of secret societies from ancient times to the present through organisations like the Templars, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, etc, etc…
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April 8, 2012 6:48pm
tristanb

Regarding the birth cert, two razors:
1. Occam’s razor – “Simpler explanations are, other things being equal, generally better than more complex ones”
2. Hanlon’s razor – “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

Although I don’t think that they layers are stupidity – I think it’s how the software works.

People who do a lot of document editing like layers. I a quick look at one of those youtube links, the stuff it’s OCR’d is painted as “line-art” and the stuff not OCR’d is greyscale. The software automatically breaks the different regions into layers.

If it was a forgery, then I can say it would not have such layers, they would not have been stupid enough to post a PDF with meta-information. It looks like a bog-standard scanned PDF, the same anyone would get if they requested their birth certificate from Hawaii.

Here’s a Snopes article I Google’d quickly: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

No doubt that’ll be a conspiracy too. Yep, the President was born in Kenya and is a Muslim and forged his birth certificate when he became President (which was the first name he ever needed to use the birth cert) – everyone who knows the truth is in Guantanamo which he never shut down. Those doing the forgery did it in layers altering parts of his name, but not others as a clue to lateral thinkers to find that something was amiss and we can avenge their unjust imprisonment. That’s the simple explanation.

I would like to see – and am surprised that I haven’t seen – another example of such a PDF. But I guess most people don’t want a printable version of their birth cert on the internet!
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April 8, 2012 6:53pm
Leaping Jimmy

No nothing like that mm, why don’t you start looking at it and you might learn something new.
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April 8, 2012 6:55pm
cha

But…but.. all these quotes…. and Barbara.
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April 8, 2012 6:59pm
Other_Andy

@mm

“The UN is pushing to become a global government….”

By their own admission, yes they are.
Read Agenda 21?
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/
A follow up from the “Club of Rome” “The Limits to Growth.”plan.
Read it and see what they propose.
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April 8, 2012 7:00pm
Fletch

If it was a forgery, then I can say it would not have such layers, they would not have been stupid enough to post a PDF with meta-information. It looks like a bog-standard scanned PDF, the same anyone would get if they requested their birth certificate from Hawaii.

Nothing “bog standard” about it. You haven’t opened it in Adobe Illustrator like I have.
Plus his name was not Barrack Obama then – that would not be the name on the cert. It would be ‘Barry Soetoro’.

The link given at Snopes above has video claiming that an ‘Adobe expert’ says the document is not fake, but there are other experts who claim it *is* fake (as do 10 ex-CIA agents).

https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/howard-coble-obama-birth-certificate-forged-adobe-expert-mara-zebest-video-10-ex-cia-agents-stated-that-the-image-was-fraudulent/

There is something strange about the whole thing. Surely you must admit that? Who hides all their records? And what is hidden? One website describes it –

The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.
What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth.

What is he hiding indeed?
The man known as Barack Obama is a carefully crafted identity based on nothing but (the few we know of) falsified documents.
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April 8, 2012 7:06pm
philu

sheesh..!..keeping stock..

..given the names i am regularly called..

..’dog’ is mild..

..and as it happens..factually accurate..

..(look up an urban dictionary..and then consider how he so likes to ‘dob’..

..and then ask yrslf..how can he not have earned the sobriquet ‘dog’..?..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 7:13pm
mikenmild

Ha ha, those birthers just won’t quit. The President himself summed it up so well:
“I know there is going to be a segment of people for which no matter what we put out this issue will not be put to rest. But I am speaking to the vast majority of the American people, as well as to the press. We do not have time for this kind of silliness. We’ve got better stuff to do.”
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April 8, 2012 7:27pm
krazykiwi

mm – Why the secrecy? What’s he hiding? Open the records for some transparency. Simple.
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April 8, 2012 7:42pm
Fletch

mikenmild, of course he said that.
He doesn’t have time for a lot of things, like the power of the Court to overturn laws made by the Federal Govt. And this coming from a so-called lecturer on law.
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April 8, 2012 7:44pm
mikenmild

The records are already open. It’s all just nonsense with its origins in a feeling that Barack Obama can’t be a legitimate president because he doesn’t seem American (ie, white) enough.
He is just as likely to be a reptilian alien in disguise as foreign born.
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April 8, 2012 7:45pm
bc

Longknives @5.37
Well when grunge was at its peak I was in my mid-20’s, doing the buttoned-shirt working hard thing, so as far away from as an Emo as you could get – but Nirvana’s music and Cobain’s lyrics spoke to me. (And wasn’t Emo’s a 2000’s thing anyway not ’90s?) So I think you are stereotyping a grunge listener!
Nirvana definitely won’t be a “blip on the radar” of 20th century music – I think you remain ignorant of how important they are to a generation. And their music still stands the test of time. “In Utereo” still sounds as awesome as the day it came out.
Oh and it is possible to appreciate the music of Nirvana AND Pearl Jam!
I agree that Elvis is a “game-changer” – he brought black music to the white man. I’m well aware of his influence, I just don’t hold him in high regard.
To quote Public Enemy (now that’s another great band that defined an era) in their song “Fight the Power”:
“Elvis is a hero to most but he don’t mean shit to me”
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April 8, 2012 7:52pm
Other_Andy

@mm

The debate is over….?
Heard that one before, somewhere.

As for Obama.
I just find it interesting that the MSM finds it necessary to dig up every detail of the lifes of Palin, Romney and other republican candidates but not of Obama. The MSM actually surpresses some stories (The Rashid Khalidi tape for example).
Why is that?
No presidential candidate of the past 30 years has been permitted the level of secrecy and non-disclosure that President Obama received.

To date the following are all undisclosed:

1) 1961 long-form, original, signed birth certificate
2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) — not found, not released
3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed
4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s repatriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) — not released
8 ) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.
10)Columbia College records — not released
11)Columbia senior thesis — not released
12)Harvard Law School records — not released
13)Obama’s law client list — sealed
14)Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed
15)Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
16)Obama’s medical records — not released
17)Obama’s passport records — not released

Why are they not public?
Not a legitimate question?
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April 8, 2012 7:53pm
philu

the simpsons is very funny..

..homer is doing a glenn beck..

..(crying a lot..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 7:57pm
bc

I just thought of a scene out of Pulp Fiction (well a deleted scene, it’s in the special features of the blu ray) where Uma Thurman’s character asks John Travolta’s character – is he an Elvis man or a Beatles man because you can’t be both.
Is that correct I wonder??
Anyway, I’m a Beatles man! What about everyone else?
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April 8, 2012 7:58pm
nasska

Jesus returned from the dead and, on the day of the Pentecost, went to the house where his apostles are staying. When he reached the house, he was surprised and angered to hear loud laughter and celebration inside.

When he knocked on the door, a very drunk Peter answered.

Jesus demanded, “What is your explanation, Peter? I told you all to wait in silent prayer for me.”

Peter laughed as he replied, ” Sorry, Jesus, but you know what it’s like when Judas gets a few shekels in his pocket.”
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April 8, 2012 8:00pm
mikenmild

It’s a good night for the conspiracy folks. Not even a full moon, either.
A basic feature of conspiracy theories is that no evidence will ever be enough to falsify (in the eyes of the believers) the thesis.
No matter how many books Popular Mechanics put together, you will still get odd bods in the Wellington subway giving away their 9/11 DVDS.
No matter how well known President Obama’s life is, there will always be one document ‘missing’, ‘sealed’ or showing evidence of tampering.
Etc, etc, etc…
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April 8, 2012 8:04pm
nasska

bc

If I never heard another song sung by Elvis I’d still die a happy man. The Beatles…good but dated.

ACDC…now you’re talking!
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April 8, 2012 8:04pm
Fletch

mikenmild, and what we do know of Obama’s life isn’t that promising – the people he hung around with, like his mentors Frank Marshall Davis (communist and pedophile), Rev Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (Domestic terrorists – part of The Weathermen), Communist Van Jones (Obama’s former Jobs Czar) – the list goes on and on.
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April 8, 2012 8:15pm
Yvette

And added to your list, Other–Andy, are the officials told to place the birth certificate on the White House website –
“What – the flattened plain version?”
“No, stick up that one we found the fucking OCR scanner turns into hundreds of bloody layers – that ought to side-track any nosey bastard for a really long time”
“OK – good idea”
“Yeah, right. New Zealand’s ACC does similar stuff”
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April 8, 2012 8:15pm
bereal

Nother question for those who engage with a bludging shameless, knowitall, smartarse, POS such as philu.

Are you lifting a POS up to your level ,or,
do you drag yourself down to the level of that of a POS. ?………..eh………..!!!!!!!!

That is the question. Which is it ?

And,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just before you answer that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, consider that,
when you do engage with the POS then he mocks you for being the fool that you are. (then you suckit up and
come back for more of the same)

How fuken DUMB can some people be.
They must lack self respect to allow themselves to be in the thrall of a psyco with a huge ego that they let
him totally dominate them.
Thats the only reason i can come up with.

Why would, say. KS or naaska, fletch,longknives or LJ allow themselves to be used and manipulated like that ?

Why is that ?
Can any of youse explain ?
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April 8, 2012 8:56pm
MT_Tinman

F E Smith (1,693) Says:
April 8th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

The sentencing judge gave Wilson a 21 year sentence; the parole board (one judge and TWO lay people) make the decision on letting him out, based on criteria set out by Parliament, the decision being mostly based on a report prepared by a non-lawyer probation officer, and possibly with a psych report as well.

F E Smith, I had a long chat with a Forensic Psychiatrist the other day. A gentleman who in his capacity of a Forensic Psychiatrist sits on the Parole Board.

According to him a Parole Board is most likely to be five people, two judges and three lay people (including the Forensic Psychiatrist) and can, in cases, be up to seven people. Seldom is it less than five people.

It was a fascinating chat and I doubt the gentleman was telling fibs, which means you are stretching the truth just a little in the passage quoted above.

Having enjoyed your input on this forum I must, in consequence, ask; Have you been untruthful all along?
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April 8, 2012 8:59pm
Leaping Jimmy

nasska your 8:00 shows profound ignorance. This “holiday” is about the commemoration of the voluntary sacrifice of someone who was perfectly pure. For us. In order that we may live by approaching God through His adjudication. (That was what the splitting of the curtain signified.)

To mock and belittle as you did above shows real misunderstanding of the significance of what actually happened.

See, this is a ~~million~~ quintillion times more important than, say, the death of Lady Di. Would you dream of blogging a similar joke about Lady Di? Yes? Maybe? Hah hah then.

Do you understand though why this is a quintillion times more important than the death of a mere princess who was quite frankly in her life, simply a whore, as proven by her actions? I mean, she was, wasn’t she. Second child, Harry, to a father not her husband, possibly pregnant with Dodi’s baby. I mean, what else was she?

But Jesus did none of that but even so you wouldn’t, I dare say nasska, dream of joking about Di, like you did above with Jesus. I mean, if you did, then people might get offended, mightn’t they.

But that’s not why you shouldn’t do it with Jesus nasska because who gives a fuck about what other people think, they don’t count, a lot of them are fucking idiots anyway. The reason you shouldn’t do it with Him, is He doesn’t take jokes very well. And since He has the power to send you to hell – yes, really – you should pay attention to that.

You want an incentive?

http://spiritlessons.com/mary_k_baxter_a_divine_revelation_of_hell.htm

Just suggest its good to be respectful nasska, do not mock, ever. Even as a joke. Even if you don’t mean it. Even if you think its mild.
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April 8, 2012 8:59pm
Falafulu Fisi

Mikemild, I told you to act like a dumb fucker. You are really a dumbfucker. I brought this issue up , because I’m a software developer and I know what graphics layering is all about. My language of development is java which has graphics layering architecture developed into the language itself and Java language is derived from the C or C++ language, which is what Adobe Illustrator is written in. This means I know how what graphics layering of any document or image is about, even though I don’t know Illustrator, because the concept (and its architecture) is universal in software graphics. All languages have that capability.

Why, Obama camp spent ~$2 millions in trying to prevent others (by legal means) from getting access to his long form birth certificate (using the official information act) when all he did was produced an electronic copy? is unbelievable Where is the fucken original official long form BC from 1961? It is amazing that they can produce an electronic copy but not an original copy? You must be fucking daft Mike to just accept that? If they have one which they said it was the copy of the original, then fucking produce it. It seems like hard for them to produce the original but easily to produce an electronic copy? Unbelievable! Suckers like you will fall into it.

Obama should show the original? Allow investigators to test the age of the BC itself? I bet that fraud Obama won’t do that because the age test will reveal that his BC was just manufactured in the last 2 years.
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April 8, 2012 9:06pm
Nookin

Tinman

Sec 115 Parole Act

115Parole panels
(1) The Board must operate in panels of at least 3 members, 1 of whom must be a panel convenor or the chairperson.
(2) The decision of the majority of members on a panel is the decision of the panel.
(3) Subsection (1) is subject to any other provision of this Act that requires or permits the Board to perform its functions other than by way of panel hearings.
(4) Despite subsection (1), if a member leaves a hearing for any reason, the remaining 2 members may continue the hearing and, provided the absent member participates in the final decision-making process, the validity of any resulting decision is not affected.

I guess the composition of the panel will depend on the individual case. The minimum is 3. Maybe contentious cases will demand a bigger panel. Not my field, fortunately.
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April 8, 2012 9:08pm
philu

fletch is really plugged into that loony-fringe..eh..”

..mind you..

..he does believe the earth is only 6,000 yrs old..

..so he is up for a whacky-story/theory..eh..?

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 9:11pm
bereal

MT_ Tinman.

The first thing you need to understand is that ALL forensic psyciatrists are batshit crazy themselves. That is a given.
And one who has managed to work himself into a trough such as the parole board is both crazy and cunning.

Second thing.
Why waste your time asking a flea lawyer if he has been untruthfull all along. (WTF do you think ? )

Are you totally naive ?
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April 8, 2012 9:11pm
nasska

LJ

You may have noticed that I tend to gently mock all religion equally. Celebrities such as Princess Di I wouldn’t even bother about…..celebrity gossip is not my thing.

What is one man’s sacred cow is another’s mince.
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April 8, 2012 9:13pm
philu

fisi..yr back..!

..you never answered that honolulu newspaper birth announcement question…eh..?

..it’s a simple question…

..how doe that fact fit in/with yr story..?

..if you can’t answer that..

..it’s proof you are talking total shit..eh..?

..stop banging on about yr photo-copying theory..

..and answer that simple question..

..how come his birth announcement is in the hopnolulu newspaper of the day..

..are/were they in on it too..?

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 9:17pm
Falafulu Fisi

Phil U, how about you go and fuck a horse for a living heh? You know, there’s horse (breeding) fucking job being advertised all the time in the rural papers, like tokoroa? Go & get a fucking job, asshole! Phil, I’m going to K’Rd to Lepuha club. If you’re bored at home, then you can join me. Its my shout all night? May be you can score some Island chicks there tonight and relieve your left-hand from shaking yourself all day all week. How about that Phil?

Anyway, I’ve just finished my bottle of whiskey and I’m on to my tray of Steinlagers.
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April 8, 2012 9:21pm
Yvette

Do you understand though why this is a quintillion times more important than the death of a mere princess who was quite frankly in her life, simply a whore, as proven by her actions? I mean, she was, wasn’t she. Second child, Harry, to a father not her husband, possibly pregnant with Dodi’s baby. I mean, what else was she?
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Just suggest its good to be respectful nasska, do not mock, ever. Even as a joke. Even if you don’t mean it. Even if you think its mild.

Dare I ask if anyone, perhaps Leaping Jimmy, can see the slightest hint of a cognitive dissonance between the two statements?
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April 8, 2012 9:29pm
philu

fisi…before you go..

..answer the honolulu newspaper birth-announcement question..

..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 9:31pm
eszett

lol, Falafulu Fisi as birther calling other people a dumb fucker.
Ironic statement of the day.

Even if he could travel back in time and deliver Obama himself, he would still not believe it.
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April 8, 2012 9:36pm
Falafulu Fisi

Eszett, you’ve just shown yourself to be one. You haven’t argued on the software issue in which others (on the youtube) have brought up, except you argued on the notion none other than, it must be a conspiracy. Come up with something intelligent related to what I have put forward here. Argue on software. I you can’t then STFU. Every other conspiracy can be put to rest, with facts. I have stated above above about the moon-landing, where doubters can be dismissed with no further argument. You on the other hand haven’t shown any logical technical counter-argument of what I have presented here from graphics expert on debunking Obama’s fraud?

How about putting forward a counter-argument heh? Come up with a software argument and say that the claim made about the multi-layer is misinterpreted. State your reason with your knowledge of multilayered graphics of why it was misinterpreted by the accusers of Obama’s fraudulent activities. Don’t argue like a dumbfucker yourself. Argue on what you think you know about the software issue that has been raised about the Obama’s BC. Stick to that issue.
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April 8, 2012 9:50pm
philu

you do realise fisi..

..that you will be a figure of fun from here on in…

..a ‘birther’..eh..?

..and just can’t answer that honolulu newspaper question..eh..?

..right ho..!

..carry on..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 8, 2012 10:01pm
eszett

Fisi, of course anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a dumb fuck. Makes perfect sense.
You could have followed the snopes link or just google who your latest “proof” has been debunked.

Just type in “birther nonsense” in google and do some reading. Every single birther nonsense has been addressed and disproved.
But of course that wouldn’t help you much

As Johnathan Swift once said “…reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired.”
Doubly ironic, since he used that argument against freethinkers.

You have decided what is “true” for you and you will never accept any reasoning against the religious held belief.

Cynics might even say that the Obama camp is quite happy with the birthers, because all the do is mobilise their base, while deeply embarrassing the rest of the republicans with their nonsense. The birther movement will help Obama get a second term. Just brilliant.

Remember Donald Trump?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-donald-has-a-memory-lapse/2011/04/14/AFrme2MD_blog.html
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April 8, 2012 10:31pm
krazykiwi

Not a lot of evidence there eszett. Go back to Other_Andy’s 7:53. Is the withholding of all that info reasonable in the face of Obama’s demands for increased transparency? I think any sane, reasonable person would conclude it wasn’t.
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April 8, 2012 10:46pm
eszett

Nonsense, krazykiwi, every sane and reasonable person just laughs at all the birther theories.
Exactly that is the problem for the republican party. It’s neither a sane nor reasonable discussion.

It’s only the fringe unreasonable minority who read too much Wing Nut Daily who keep banging on about it.

As I said, the more you keep flogging this dead horse, the better for Obama. It just drives anyone who is sane and reasonable away.
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April 8, 2012 11:08pm
MT_Tinman

bereal, yes.

Nookin, I am (was) aware of the minimum requirement but was not aware of the usual make-up which is five people until last Wednesday.

F E Smith emphatically states otherwise, hence my query.
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April 9, 2012 5:49am
Leaping Jimmy

phil I don’t really care about Obama’s birth issues, he’s got a lot more evidence stacked against him than that, but to the extent others do and the extent you seem orgasmically excited over the announcement, this article says: so what. And explains why it is indeed: so what.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/final-report-obamas-birth-announcements.html

So why don’t you just calm down. I don’t know what’s wrong with you anyway. Anyone who still defends Obama after what he’s done after 3 years, is an idiot. Can’t you see from his actions what this man is? Don’t you understand from what he’s done, clear, unequivocal facts which cannot be argued with, disputed or denied that this guy is bad news all the way? What the fuck is wrong with you, if you can’t see that? It’s even more obvious than it was with Bush 43 and that’s saying something. So why defend the little prick at all? How could you possibly like him or approve of him, even if you are a lefty? You’d have not only to be fucked in the head but your head would have to have a hole in it, not to see who and what this guy is and what he represents. Didn’t that masters teach you anything about anything?

Yvette – blush. I hate it when that happens…
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April 9, 2012 6:54am
Keeping Stock

@ Phillip Ure; what public library is open at 10.01pm on Easter Sunday? Or is that another lie you’ve told us here?
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April 9, 2012 7:35am
philu

excitable-jim:..while i can rail long and hard on the failings of obama…(esp. foreign-policy and continuation of the bush barbarities/drones..etc..etc..)

..the alternative is…romney..?

..a republican party in craven obeisance to the loony-right..?

..(a party that even people like reagan would look at askance…?..)

..geddouttahere..!

..eh..?

..and the birthers are the foaming-fringe of that loony-right..(and as funny as whatever simile you choose..)

..local rep:..fisi…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 9, 2012 7:52am
krazykiwi

eszett, there’s nothing theoretical about all that info being withheld. It’s fact. Instead of laughing, perhaps set aside your dewy-eyed admiration for Obama for long enough to ask why it’s ok that so little is known (or so much is ‘sealed’) about his past? Why is this ok for you?
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April 9, 2012 7:52am
philu

and of course..along with fisi..we have the relevantly-monikered..’krazykiwi’…

(honesty in labellng..eh..?…it’s a healthy trend..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 9, 2012 7:57am
Nookin

Tinman

http://www.paroleboard.govt.nz/about-us/the-hearing-process.html
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April 9, 2012 8:06am
Keeping Stock

Avoiding the question Phil?
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April 9, 2012 8:14am
F E Smith

Tinman,

Your forensic psychiatrist is telling fibs. The standard parole board is three people, one judge and two laypeople. Personally, I have never appeared in front of a 5 person parole board, and would be suprised if such a panel had two DCJs on it.

All if the boards I have appeared in front of have had three members.

You saw what Nookin posted with regards the legislation; do you really think Corrections would pay for 5 members, including TWO judges, when they could do it legally with three?

I will cross post this in today’s GD as well.
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April 9, 2012 11:39am
F E Smith

Further to my last comment,

Tinman,

You should really fact check before you accuse someone of lying.

http://www.paroleboard.govt.nz/about-us/the-hearing-process.html
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April 9, 2012 11:53am
UpandComer

Un thread related but can I just say that I think bernard Hickey is a disgrace as a columnist, and a total dooshbag. He is wrong on a lot of his economics, and he should not have a column in the Herald. He should be a dingbat spouting off on The standard. The guy has no credibility and needs to stop pretending he knows anything about economics. What a tool that guy is.
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April 9, 2012 2:30pm
Griff

nasska (3,164) Says:
April 8th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

All time classic joke of the year candidate 🙂

Why is obumma so evil ?
Bush
Clinton
Regan
FFS
\leader of the free world any one?
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