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April 4, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 4 April 2012

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Fletch

1st? Whoo – that doesn’t happen very often.. 😀
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April 4, 2012 8:02am
wreck1080

Auckland property market has gone nuts.

A house in Grey Lynn with CV of 700k is expected to sell for 2 million +.

Who has all this money? Have the banks opened the floodgates again?
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April 4, 2012 8:06am
Jimbob

Could someone please give David Shearer a compass, since he became opposition leader at the end of last year he appears completely lost.
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April 4, 2012 8:09am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/commentwhoar-genter-vs-brownlee-round-two/

ed:..in my commentary on parliament questiontime yesterday i noted how genter from the greens monstered brownlee over spending all our money on motorways..

..genter made him look bad….by presenting the logic of the case for public transport…

..in fact..genter rattled brownlee more than i have ever seen him rattled before…

..and now she has done it again…on breakfast television…

..first genter was interviewed…

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 8:13am
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/6690374/Kiwi-stowaway-holds-up-Viking-yacht-in-Chile

Has no-one told Chilean authorities that ‘Tangata Whenua’ are above the laws that bind the rest of us??
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April 4, 2012 8:23am
mikenmild

I’m sorry, but I have to agree with philu – Brownlee’s defence of the roading programme is very weak – it boils down to “we think it’s a good idea to spend many billions on roads because it’s a good idea.”
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April 4, 2012 8:25am
Scott Chris

A Kansas man was struck by lightning hours after buying three Mega Millions lottery tickets:

On the way to his car, Isles commented to a friend: “I’ve got a better chance of getting struck by lightning”.
Later at about 9:30 p.m., Isles was standing in the back yard of his Wichita duplex, when he saw a flash and heard a boom.
“It threw me to the ground quivering,” Isles said in a telephone interview on Saturday. “It kind of scrambled my brain and gave me an irregular heartbeat.”
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April 4, 2012 8:41am
hj

“I gave birth to Halatau. Officer A 84 took his life.”
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We have a choice in how we interpret events.
She wouldn’t discuss going after money (RadioNZ)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10796386
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April 4, 2012 8:42am
alex Masterley

Wreck,
Why anybody would want to spend that sort of coin in Grey Lynn is beyond me.
Houses are moving in central Auckland, if they are weatherboard, brick and tile, and don’t leak. If (as a gross generalisation) they are monolithic clad and built after 1995 you have problems.
Banks are lending but with more care than before. there are also a lot of expats coming back with money buring a hole in their pockets.
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April 4, 2012 8:48am
hmmokrightitis

mikenmild agrees with the criminal.

This is my surprised face. The more things change, the more they stay the same…
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April 4, 2012 8:48am
cha

Something to terrify the acrophobics, a bloke freehand climbs the aerials and star of Moscow’s Kotelnicheskaya Embankment Building.
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April 4, 2012 8:50am
Nookin

The interview of David Shearer by Rachel Smalley on TV 3 this morning had four interesting points. Firstly, Shearer acknowledges that Mallard & Little were acting under his directions and had been since the matter arose. He then stated that there was no obligation on them to “man up” and show what facts they relied upon to substantiate the allegations. He stated that they did not have to do anything unless and until Collins pursued the defamation proceedings. The third point was that if Collins does proceed, every e-mail and every phone call would then be put on record and this is what they wanted from the start.

These 3 points are significant because they suggest an orchestrated strategy. There is a very strong suggestion that Mallard & Little were motivated by improper purposes. It has been sometime since I looked at the cases relating to the use of documents disclosed on “discovery” but I am quite sure that Mallard & Little cannot use them for political purposes and, I rather suspect, that these documents would never become part of a public record unless they substantiated or refuted the specific issues. The interview suggests that Mallard & Little (more correctly, the Labour Party) are prepared to let the defamatory comments stand so that they can extract documentation which they will use to prove political points.
Shearer said that the proposed proceedings were without precedent. In the sense that few MPs have been stupid enough to repeat allegations outside the house, he may be correct. The interview today however suggests that it may not necessarily have been stupidity that lead them to make the comments but a planned out strategy. I hope Collins goes ahead and I hope the court admits evidence that the Labour Party leader was directing the defendants not to produce any evidence substantiating the truth of the allegations until they had to.
The fourth point related to the casino. Rachel Smalley asked whether Auckland needed a convention centre. She then sat back while Shearer totally ignored the question, focused entirely on poker machines and legislation and did not mention creation of jobs once. Not once did she ask him for comment on the other side of the argument. So long as TV 3 allows her unashamed bias to show through on any political interview, TV 3 will have no credibility whatsoever as far as current affairs are concerned.
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April 4, 2012 8:52am
mikenmild

Just because he is a criminal doesn’t mean all his opinions are invalid.
‘Wise men learn more from fools [phools] than fools from the wise.’
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April 4, 2012 8:52am
Keeping Stock

Great column from Eric Thompson in this morning’s Herald about Western Springs and the FIM Speedway GP that was an overwhelming success at the weekend. The NIMBY’s nearly managed to get Western Springs closed a few years ago, but the speedway community revolted. The guts of their dispute is that they bought their houses at deflated prices because of the proximity of the speedway; if they succeed in getting speedway turfed out of Western Springs, their property values will rise accordingly (and they’re not that far from Grey Lynn; nice segue eh!).

Here’s hoping that Len Brown will represent the interests of the 23,500 who packed Western Springs on Saturday, and not a few greedy NIMBY’s.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/of-speedway-and-nimbys.html
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April 4, 2012 8:58am
Yvette

Nookin – Firstly, Shearer acknowledges that Mallard & Little were acting under his directions and had been since the matter arose.

Should Collins now include Shearer in with Mallard, Little and Radio New Zealand?
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April 4, 2012 9:04am
mikenmild

Nice story that. It reminds me of people who buy near Wellington Airport then complain about the noise, or next to the Exide Battery plant (now closing) in Petone and then complained about possible toxic fumes.
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April 4, 2012 9:05am
lilman

Money for a dead son,cant agree to that.
Police cant win either way and for the mother to say she hasnt heard from the officer Ihope isnt a go at the police, for he would be unable to contact the family untill they indicated that was their wish,to do so would be very badly advised.
Money for a dead son isnt acceptable,it smacks of gold digging.
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April 4, 2012 9:06am
kowtow

nookin

Shearer interview and pokies.
He also said words to the effect that our legislation is not for sale. Smalley gave him a pass on that one .The precedent that came straight to mind was the Rugby World Cup legislation , initiated by………?
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April 4, 2012 9:09am
Scott Chris

The NIMBY’s nearly managed to get Western Springs closed a few years ago

Western Springs residents who oppose urban Speedway aren’t NIMBYS. The acronym NIMBY describes someone who advocates a certain proposal but baulks at having it installed in their neighbourhood.

Where do you live KS? Perhaps Speedway can move in next door to you seeing as how you appear to like watching things go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and…….

…..maybe if you’re lucky you get a crash where you can pretend to worry if the driver’s okay.
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April 4, 2012 9:18am
Nookin

“Should Collins now include Shearer in with Mallard, Little and Radio New Zealand?”

Although Shearer admitted to calling the shots after the statements were made, he did not go so far as to acknowledge complicity in the making of the comments. I would hope that the now announced strategy prompts Collins to seek exemplary damages.
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April 4, 2012 9:26am
nasska

Scott Chris

And they were going round & round when the same moaners bought their houses at a discounted price. Perhaps they like hearing things go round & round or maybe they didn’t know the Speedway was there when they bought into the area.

Either way they’re a pack of dicks.
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April 4, 2012 9:36am
Put it away

What became of “earth hour”? haven’t heard any figures of what impact, if any, the hippies had on power consumption.
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April 4, 2012 9:37am
hj

The guts of their dispute is that they bought their houses at deflated prices because of the proximity of the speedway; if they succeed in getting speedway turfed out of Western Springs, their property values will rise accordingly (and they’re not that far from Grey Lynn; nice segue eh!).

Here’s hoping that Len Brown will represent the interests of the 23,500 who packed Western Springs on Saturday, and not a few greedy NIMBY’s.
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The thing is that people have to find somewhere to live and housing is expensive (largely due to population growth and the need to instantly provide infrastructure out of the taxes of our low wage population and need for an urban plan). Population growth is a policy choice of government and government is to a large degree the result of political lobbying and patronage.
Nimbyism is strong as people just want to get on and enjoy their properties, it is the developers (etc) who want growth forever.
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April 4, 2012 9:46am
david

What is it about “.. an international leadership programme on US foreign policy .. ” that is enough to take an MP away from attending Parliament while it is sitting?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/6690410/Labour-MP-Jacinda-Ardern-caught-in-Texas-twisters

My guess it is something involving the World Socialist Youth Movement or is sponsored by the CIA
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April 4, 2012 9:49am
nasska

As a corollary to the Speedway whiners, my pet hate is wankers who buy rural sections or lifestyle blocks adjacent to a working farm & then start complaining about noise & smells to anyone who will listen. They have a dreamy vision that farming is all green fields & bouncing lambs, then get upset when reality doesn’t conform to their fantasy.
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April 4, 2012 9:52am
mikenmild

Perhaps they moved to the country so they would have more room for their pet hates.
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April 4, 2012 9:58am
graham

nasska: Agreed. I moved to a lifestyle block 5 years ago, and it’s been a wonderful experience. Don’t know about this “peace of the country”, though, you can hear the cows in paddocks miles away! We joke about rural traffic jams – you know, when you drive along the road and find the farmer crossing his cows from one side of the road to the other, or moving the sheep down the road to another paddock.

It’s all good.
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April 4, 2012 10:01am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/10-examples-of-literary-nonfiction-that-make-facts-compelling/

“..Even small details matter: –

– journalists must be honest about what they see and don’t see.

Anything less exhibits a lack of respect for the places and people whose stories they tell – and who they tell them to.

We need both art and journalism to change the world – and we need to know which is which.

Here is a rundown of some of the best literary journalism you’ll find.

Not only is there great storytelling in these books and longform articles –

– but there is also rigorous and revelatory investigation that keeps the facts straight.

This is literary journalism at its best –

– proving that you don’t have to make up your facts to tell a meaningful and important story…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 10:04am
cha

Yeah, well my beef is the absentee arses who recently converted the leg-in piece of rural land that was formerly beef and sheep. Of course they don’t have to put up with the stench of particulate matter that descends on a heavy dew night when they run their dispersal systems at off-peak rates.
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April 4, 2012 10:04am
wreck1080

Trevor the 26 million dollar lotto winner is now finding out why he should not have identified himself.

I wonder why people try to scam money from lotto winners? Do they perceive lotto winners as weak willed and easily fooled to giving away their fortune?

There are plenty of easily identifiable wealthy people in NZ… I wonder if these people get constantly badgered for money? I wouldn’t think so much as a lotto winner which is really strange.
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April 4, 2012 10:08am
David Garrett

The investigators been to see you yet Phil?
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April 4, 2012 10:09am
Jack5

Softening us up for a green-light announcement over Easter for the Chinese takeover of Crafar farms?

In the foreign-controlled NZ Herald today, Siah Hwee Ang, a University of Auckland business staffer, lectures us on how stupid and backward are NZers who oppose China’s takeover of our farmland.

We are talking about our dairy industry, in which NZ is the world’s most competitive country, and which has been trying to put some technology into its child-poisoning Chinese equivalent,the pretty rough Chinese dairy industry.

Yet Siah Hwee Ang, criticising NZ (us), says:

… Our non-competitiveness does not automatically give New Zealand firms the competitive mind-set necessary to compete globally with larger and more innovative businesses …

The NZ dairy industry is not inernationally competitive?

AND

[overseas investment> … is, in fact, exactly what New Zealand needs in terms of productivity, labour skills – both technical and managerial – innovation and international mind-sets, knowledge and networks.

What does China have to offer the NZ dairy industry in terms of skill?

Siah Hwee Ang also praises China:

The case of China speaks volumes for what the New Zealand Government is about to do. Even for stand-alone investment by foreign entities, there are always benefits for us.

Siah Hwee Ang, why has China virtually locked out foreign investment from its steel industry? WHy doesn’t it allow foreigners to buy land (except in some special joint cases of city property)?

China is trying to buy up the supply chain everywhere. Naturally, it is putting its own interests first. But it has nothing to offer the NZ dairy industry except pushing up local land prices.

Siah Hwee Ang, originally a Singaporean, has been at the university since 2003.

Semi-authoritarian Singapore successfully attracted foreign investment that brought scientific and technical expertise. This was closely linked to its education policies and development of local skills. This brought in waves of knowledge in, for example, disk-drive manufacture,as its earlier largely labour-cost based international industries such as printing began to come under competition from China.

In the Crafar farms, case, however, China brings nothing (except money).
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April 4, 2012 10:18am
eszett

Great 3D animated graphics on world GDP at Financial Times.
Was even surprised to see NZ mentioned positively. (about halfway through regarding education)

http://ftgraphicworld.ft.com/item/story-gdp
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April 4, 2012 10:19am
nasska

graham

Spot on……regardless of how far out in the sticks you live there’ll be noise or some other distraction. It’s just that some people don’t do their homework & then expect everyone else to conform to their dreams of undisturbed peace.

To this end I saw (in a USA farming magazine) a poster that most cockies living within half an hour of a city should hang on their fences. It reads:

NOTICE

This property is a farm

Farms have animals.

Animals make:

Funny sounds,
Smell bad &
Have sex outdoors.

Unless you can tolerate:

Noise
Odours &
Outdoor sex

Don’t buy a property
next to a farm!
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April 4, 2012 10:22am
philu

garrett..do you know what it means when humans call another human ‘a dog’..?

..’woof!’…eh..?

(that is yr new nickname btw…david ‘the dog’ garrett..

..(it’s taken over from ‘dead baby’..eh..?..)

..and from now on this is how you will be known/regarded…

..you just keep slipping down that pole…eh..?

..yr public unravelling..

..will there be a squishy sound when you hit the bottom..?

..will you seek help for yr alcohol addiction/issues then..?

..d’yareckon..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 10:25am
Pete George

Nookin @ 8.52 – interesting, so that confirms that Shearer’s prior claims of a new kind of non-gotcha politics was a load of naive or deliberate nonsense.
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April 4, 2012 10:26am
Keeping Stock

@ Scott Chris; I live in Wanganui, about a mile from the speedway which I can hear when a westerly is blowing. I live just across the river from where the Cemetery Circuit motor bike races are held every year on Boxing Day. I live the same distance from Cook’s Gardens where concerts, fireworks and athletics are held, audibly.

Do I complain? No. Was I aware of the events when I bought? Yes. Did it make any difference to my decision to purchase there? None in the slightest. Would I be so arrogant as to flex my muscles and try and get things shut down? Not on your nelly.

I don’t expect everyone to enjoy speedway with the same passion that I and others do. Nor do I expect everyone to hold the same views as I do on climate change. It’d be a boring old world if we were all the same. And unlike Phil and yourself, I don’t expect my views to be accepted by everyone, nor do I have the arrogance to demand it.

I studied Latin to School Cert level (and passed!), and an old Latin expression is relevant to this debate; caveat emptor; let the buyer beware. Those who bought in Old Mill Road and other locations around Western Springs did so knowing that noise was part of the package. It is totally arrogant of them now to try and impose their will on the thousands who enjoy a speedway fix at Western Springs on summer nights.
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April 4, 2012 10:29am
philu

that is a very cool/informative graphic..ezett..i have knicked it for whoar..

..(and ‘number one’..eh..?..who’d a thunk it..?..given our current moral-panic in that area..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 10:35am
graham

KS: Exactly. I would never buy an apartment in Auckland city, simply because living in that environment doesn’t appeal. Depending on where the aprtment is, I know there will be people walking by outside at all hours of the night and early morning, drunk as anything and making loads of noise – doesn’t appeal, funnily enough. So I don’t buy there.
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April 4, 2012 10:38am
philu

but graham..it also has its’ charms..

‘the boy’ and i lived in a warehouse in the city for quite a while…

..the library and borders books were our regular haunts..

..the regular free concerts/mini-gigs at real groovy..

..surrounded by cheap foodhalls..

..’the boy’ thriving in the responsibily of being sent off to do city chores..on his own…

..(he loved the city dwelling..still talks wistfully of it..)

..no need to have a vehicle…

.i could go on..

..and funnily enough..noise often signifies life/energy…

..and the best city i have spent a reasonable amount of time in..for all those reasons and so much more..

..is new york..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 10:45am
DavidR

philu @ 10.25am

A friendly word of advice, phil – Shut the Fuck Up! Big Bad Beryl will be awake soon – then it will be all on again and another day’s General Debate wrecked.

cheers
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April 4, 2012 10:51am
philu

david r..might you consider saying that to david ‘dog’ garrett…?

..he is like that simplistic obese-sibling person…

..just says the same thing..over and over again…

..and is unable to answer simple questions..

..i blame the alcohol..

..or he is a maochist..that ‘dog’ garrett..

..one desiring public humiliation..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 10:58am
Keeping Stock

Philip Ure said

garrett..do you know what it means when humans call another human ‘a dog’..?

..’woof!’…eh..?

(that is yr new nickname btw…david ‘the dog’ garrett..

..(it’s taken over from ‘dead baby’..eh..?..)

..and from now on this is how you will be known/regarded…

You speak as though you’re a person of influenec Phil, but let’s be honest; we both know that you’re not. Does anyone visit your blog? Does anyone believe your predictions? For the unintiated, Phil predicted that John Key would be a one-term PM, and that there would be a double-dip recession before the 2011 election; wrong on both counts.

I’ve just taken a quick peek at the Alexa rankings. Your “news aggregation service” is the Alexa rankings. You are the 2,212,744th most-read website in the world, and the 7023rd most-read website in New Zealand. To give DPF’s readers some context, Keeping Stock’s rankings are 454,622/561, Kiwiblog’s are 101,967/143, and Whaleoil’s fine blog is the 75,037th most-read website in the world, and NZ’s 92nd.

Face facts Phil; far from displacing the Huffington Post as #1 on Techorati as you boasted you would a couple of years ago, you are a lone voice in the wilderness, and even fewer people care about what you say and think than they do about me; and I’m wholly realistic about my level of influence!!

And in shepherding the Three Strikes legislation through Parliament, David Garrett has left a far greater legacy to New Zealand than most people achieve in a lifetime. Your obsession with him is starting to get a bit creepy Phil. Maybe it’s time for you to get a life, and a job.
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April 4, 2012 11:04am
James Stephenson

@KS – I disagree, Phil’s an influential opinion-former…just think of the incredible 99.9999% of Kiwiblog readers who have been influenced to form the opinion that he’s a waste of bandwidth, who should STFU.
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April 4, 2012 11:12am
thedavincimode

maggie

You’re really starting to dribble. That stuff you’re using is intended for horses not for humans (well you are, sort of!). I’m surprised the vet turns his back on you when you take the four-legged family members in for a check-up.

Take a rest, the facial numbness should ease after about another eight hours, provided of course you scaled the rate down from a horse doseage. Then you can get back out on the job-hunting front without appearing to have an even more unfortunate impediment than your allergy to work.

Or is that why you’re taking it in the first place?
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April 4, 2012 11:17am
AlphaKiwi

Sorry to interrupt the debate, guys.

I have a question.

With the fours weeks (20 days annual leave), when can you start using it? During the first 12 months of working for an employer, can you take the four weeks in that first 12 month period or are you only entitled to start taking it after your first 12 months?

Appreciate any clarification.
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April 4, 2012 11:17am
philu

aah..stock..you have to sign up to alexa for them to rank you..so..kinda like/as reliable as those self-selecting surveys…eh..?

..i rely on google analytics..which tells me my numbers..and the cities/countries they are from…etc..etc..(91 countries/61 languages last time i looked..

..(and those facts still get me up early in the morning..eh..?..

..and i am totally convinced of the quality of news-aggregation/selection i offer…every day..

..and will continue to do so…

..and thanks for asking..

..and i wd submit that i do not have an obsession with garrett…it is garrett with me..

..which more than a few people have pointed out..

..i am just responding to his hysteria..and laughing at him..

..how can you not..?

..and his legislation makes us..a country with one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world…even worse..

..and it will be repealed..

..so..meh..!..eh..?

..some fucken ‘legacy’..

..and who are you again..?

..i’ve never read you..eh..?

..and i do have a ‘life’..thanks for asking..

..and whoar is the ‘job’..

..i am just still under-paid for my efforts..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 11:19am
Nookin

AlphaKiwi

The employment relations service website contains a lot of information about employment issues. See the attached link concerning holidays. The right to take a holiday arises at the expiration of 12 months’ employment. You should however check the employment agreement and ascertain whether it contains any specific provision more favourable to the employee than the Act. It is unlikely but sometimes happens.

http://dol.govt.nz/er/holidaysandleave/annualleave/index.asp
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April 4, 2012 11:22am
Longknives

Philu- I think we have a high-rate of imprisonment simply because we have a truckload of violent crime in New Zealand…like it or not we live in a very violent society.
Occam’s Razor and all that…
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April 4, 2012 11:23am
thedavincimode

maggie

Just a minor point of clarification.

You are not “under paid”. You’re “over paid” by virtue of being a lazy bludging little shit who doesn’t want to do any work and prefers to live your life at the expense of those who do actually work.

Hope this tidies up any uncertainty or confusion.
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April 4, 2012 11:27am
Brian Smaller

@KS – you must live in Putiki 🙂

I live in the Wangaehu River Valley. It is generally quiet except for frost fans at the kiwifruit orchard, bird scarers, trucks, cows, sheep, cockatoos, pheasants, peacocks, possums, random gunfire from hunters up in the hills (or in the paddock outside of a deer wanders down to the farm), top dressing planes, the neighbours helicopter. Still love it though.
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April 4, 2012 11:27am
Brian Smaller

Philu is running a business. He should not be getting welfare. He is committing welfare fraud.
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April 4, 2012 11:28am
AlphaKiwi

Thankyou, Nookin! Very helpful.
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April 4, 2012 11:41am
philu

longknives..there are likely multiple reasons for the differences between us..and say..finland..

..(with them imprisoning 15 citizens per 100,000..and us at over 100 per 100,000..

..a difference i wd submit..that is jaw-dropping…and given the massive costs of that imprisonment..

..should have us spluttering ‘what/how..?’..

..and looking to what they do..to see what we can learn…surely..?

..but an obvious one would be imprisonment for drugs…

..drugs is a health issue…not a justice one..

(this is also where portugal has been so successful..legalisation of personal use of all drugs for over a decade…

..and medical help/support for those that need it..)

..our prison imperatives are backward/victorian…and are a raging/uber-expensive failure…

..to me this is the upside of brownlees’ finn-stupidity…

…he has bought this most stunning/enlightening/sign we are doing it wrong..out into the open..

..that law of unintended consequences kicking in again…

..how can you possibly defend such a horrendous/expensive imprisonment/recidivist-rate..?

..when clearly there are much better/cheaper alternatives to hand..?

..that way lies madness..

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 11:46am
KevinH

@it’s a quiet day around the watercooler in Philu’s office,

his workmates are still pondering Tuesdays’s visionary statement:

“capitalism in the neo liberal version has exhausted itself”

Does that mean I should buy a lotto this weekend?

an innocent enough question from the receptionist,

or should I invest in state assets?

ask’s the cleaner

or which way is out say’s Jacinda

hunched over in an airport lounge,

hiding from Cyclone Judith,

the Mallard wall has collapsed says Jacinda

and the Little wall is looking shaky

but no worries David will fix it,

it’ll take about 6 years said David,

but at the rate Cyclone Judith is going,

there will be nothing left by years end,

meanwhile back at the watercooler philu searches his pockets for small change,

Fuck he says

Garretted again just when I was warming up.
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April 4, 2012 11:51am
philu

that’s quite clever there..kevin h…

..’searching pockets for small change’ rang a bell..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 11:56am
Viking2

Must be nice to leave work and jaunt off to a Leadership Conference.

Labour MP Jacinda Ardern has been caught in devastating tornadoes which have torn through Texas in the United States.

At least two large and dangerous tornadoes ripped across northern Texas this morning, causing major damage and grounding flights, but leaving no reported casualties.

Ardern was at Dallas Fort Worth Airport this morning as part of an international leadership conference when a tornado warning siren sounded and passengers were told to get away from the windows.

So how does this help the average taxpayer?
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April 4, 2012 12:34pm
David Garrett

Brian Smaller: don’t worry…I believe the welfare fraud people are pretty switched on…I know they have visited his “blog” (Is it as inane as his comments here? I have never wasted a mouse click on it) and also his comments here and elsewhere. It’s just dawned on me..perhaps it’s all part of Phil’s cunning plan; write inane drivel all over the interweb as evidence he can’t work!

Ah…but you dont have to be even literate to be Pete’s offsider at I Suk Up septic tank cleaners. (Proudly cleaning septics in the Rodney area for 15 years)

I am actually trying my best not the bait the man..he clearly has major “issues” – and that was BEFORE the investigators opened a file on him – and I try to be as compassionate to my fellow man as possible.

That, and of course it is very painful having him “hand me [my] arse” every day..eh?
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April 4, 2012 12:41pm
David Garrett

I forgot…perhaps someone could ask Phil to “explain” why Finland’s violent crime and homicide rate per 100,000 of population per annum is TWICE what ours is. Couldn’t be anything to do with different attitudes to punitive sentencing…could it?
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April 4, 2012 12:50pm
Elaycee

“..rely on google analytics..which tells me my numbers..and the cities/countries they are from…etc..etc..(91 countries/61 languages last time i looked..”

I wouldn’t get too excited, Phool – most ‘hits’ are from sad, dyslexic old farts who meant to type ‘whore’ but ended up staring at a screen full of morse code .. / ?? eh? .. … eh? and wondering what the hell happened!
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April 4, 2012 1:00pm
Northland Wahine

..and whoar is the ‘job’..

..i am just still under-paid for my efforts..

Dude, you need to check out the definition of the word “job”. And if you benefit is your payment, you are sooooooo over paid.
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April 4, 2012 1:03pm
nasska

Whale posted a survey & an action photo of Mr Ure a couple of months ago:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/02/troll-hunting/#disqus_thread
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April 4, 2012 1:04pm
David Garrett

Nasska: Oh dear…I didn’t realise…poor broken down old coot…I really MUST try not to play with his drug addled head…
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April 4, 2012 1:22pm
bereal

Thanks for that link nasska. (had to laugh at your description as ‘an action photo of Mr Ure ‘ when i saw it. )

Scanning through the comments below the photo i thought ‘Mickrodge’ hit the nail on the head with his
party analogy.

“If he (philu) turned up at a party at my place I’d tell him to fuck off.
Simply because he is annoying to have around.
People would be pointing at him and asking, ‘who the fuck is that tool ?’ ”

And Mickrodge makes no reference at all to the parasitic leech on his fellows aspect.
Or the smart alec, talking down to and mocking people who work for a living and pay taxes that allow the
bludger to lie on his veranda and smoke dope all day.
‘poor broken down old coot’ sums it up.
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April 4, 2012 1:55pm
Put it away

Phool’s kid was happy to independently run errands on his own in the big city…. and yet phool is unavailable for work all day due to the need to provide 24 hour assistance to the boy, even when he’s not there. My spidey welfare fraud senses are tingling!
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April 4, 2012 2:02pm
Put it away

Jeez phool, didn’t expect you to be cultivating the Colonel Sanders look. Now I feel like KFC. Must remember to pick up a fuckload of fried chicken on the way home.
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April 4, 2012 2:33pm
philu

i am now beardless…

and the dark dog on the left is 13 yrs old…been on a vegan diet all her life…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 2:54pm
thedavincimode

… beardless, hopeless, jobless, pointless …

While you’ve got the razor out maggie, tidy up between the rear cheeks. I’m working on an opportuniy for you as a school bike stand. You only need to work between about 8.15am and 3.45pm and all you have to do is remain stationary, bend over and grab your ankles.
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April 4, 2012 2:59pm
philu

and my hair is longer..more quiffy…

..the unlined face is a result of the diet…

..and of having spent my twenties and thirties in darkened-rooms..

..thus avoiding the sun-damage of others of my contemporaries/age-groups’ – who were more outdoorsy during those years/decades…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 3:03pm
thedavincimode

… by “outdoorsy” you of course refer to their habit, unpractised by you, of going outside in the morning to go to work.
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April 4, 2012 3:06pm
Put it away

Davinci – that job sounds like a perfect opportunity to put to use the skills he learned in jail.
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April 4, 2012 3:14pm
Ryan Sproull

For fuck’s sake, would you kids please go back to arguing about politics or religion or who’s the best Blake’s 7 character or something?
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April 4, 2012 3:22pm
Put it away

There can be no arguing over blake’s 7, it’s clearly Avon.
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April 4, 2012 3:24pm
Brian Smaller

There can be no arguing over blake’s 7, it’s clearly Avon.

I disagree. Servalan by far.
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April 4, 2012 3:27pm
David Garrett

davinci: Brilliant sir/madam

Ryan: Why don’t you go round to Phil’s hovel and discuss the merits of putting dogs on vegan diets?
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April 4, 2012 3:27pm
philu

i agree with sproull..you’ve all r.s.i.ed yrslves to the dob-in-line…the dogs have all lined up to go ‘woof!’…

..you’ve got a picture…you’ve all expressed yr hatreds..

..is there/can there be.. any more ..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz..
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April 4, 2012 3:31pm
wreck1080

DPF::: I’d encourage you to sort out the constant sniping and name calling between philu and others.

Philu appears purposefully antagonistic and others are quite happy to play his game.

Is there a blog feature to ignore certain users?
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April 4, 2012 3:39pm
thedavincimode

wreck/sproull

He started it.
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April 4, 2012 3:56pm
wreck1080

Another reason to avoid removing GST from some food items….

In the UK, they have a new rule to charge VAT based on the food temperature (ie, is it cooked or not)…..

Under the rules, released by the Treasury, a lukewarm pasty may not attract the sales tax on warmer days because it would be below the “ambient temperature”.

But the same pasty could be hit with a VAT charge in the winter.

Nuts
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April 4, 2012 3:58pm
Pete George

Some pics from the Dallas tornadoes. Trailers flying. Hailstones nearly as big as tennis balls.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/incredible-pictures-of-the-tornadoes-near-dallas

Nothing to do with climate change. Probably.
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April 4, 2012 4:02pm
Jack5

Here’s a conspiracy theory to out-conspire all others…

Could it be that lobbyist/PR firms from time to time call on Philu to clog up Kiwiblog’s General Discussion threads? They would do this when they wanted to turn everyone off the GD threads when they had something highly contentious to unleash on the public.

The problem: if Philu only takes non-capitalist money, how would they entice and pay him? Vegan dog food? Blocks of broadband access? Truckloads of full stops?
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April 4, 2012 4:08pm
bereal

Nobody ‘ hates’ a loser like philu.

i for one do not hate him.

i do have total contempt for him though.

Many people pity him, but.
Mainly because that the life God gave him which he disrespecting and is pissing up against the wall.
(or, in his case, drugging and self deceiving his way through)

And people tend to get annoyed when he admits that that is so but he still laughs at them and mocks them
as losers because they work and he has found a better way.
The way of the parasite.

Similar thinking to that of a career criminal.

Why would he do that ?
Why would he put up with the contempt people hold him in and suffer their abuse ? Day after day (even seem to welcome it )
Why has he seemingly got no shame ?
(seemingly, because he really is ashamed of himself. The real philu, lying in his bed at
night knows what he really is.
He knows it , make no mistake.)
Why does he flaunt himself and his parasitic ways.

Well i can tell you.

Second question.

Why would the likes of little Scott Chris, mikenmild, Ryan Sproull and Griff etc. support and encourage him ?

Well i can tell why they do that as well.
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April 4, 2012 4:09pm
philu

hic..!..there’s hic…!..be-real..hic..!

..(must have started early tonight…)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 4:17pm
DavidR

I did warn you this morning that Big Bad Beryl would wake up and come in spitting – too late now, the thread is stuffed for another day.

Good luck to your families (if you still have them).
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April 4, 2012 4:22pm
philu

we now get to watch the two resident lushes increasingly slur their words…as the night unfolds..

..this is serious drinking-time…

..fuck..!..drunks are boring…

..and with ‘dog’ garrett..has there been a more dumb-arse/ignorant know-it-all..?

..not for awhile i don’t think..

..you’d have to go back to the likes of the quinn..for his ilk/equal..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 4:30pm
bereal

Hey, DavidR

“Good luck to your families.”

That was my line. (also its, ‘ good luck to your family’ not families)
Most people only have one.
Boofhead.

And.
Told you philu can’t help himself.
He has to respond. See 4.17 and 4.30 Pathetic.

That’s a clue to the answer to my first question. @ 4.09
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April 4, 2012 4:33pm
Ryan Sproull

Why would the likes of little Scott Chris, mikenmild, Ryan Sproull and Griff etc. support and encourage him ?

Bereal, if you can cite any example of me ever supporting or encouraging philu, I’ll buy you a beer. Or even mentioning his name outside of the context of telling people to ignore him or (like I have done) install RIP on Firefox and delete his existence from Kiwiblog entirely.
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April 4, 2012 4:34pm
Ryan Sproull

Bereal,

For example: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/05/general_debate_14_may_2010.html#comment-692774

Almost two years ago, that one.

What went on in your brain to include me in that list of people?
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April 4, 2012 4:39pm
philu

i can’t actually say anything good or bad about you sproull..

..having never..from memory..having ever seen anything you have done..

..but why is yr name vaguely familiar..?

..are you that pretend leftie who lurks in that yes minister swamp..?

..is that you..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 4:44pm
DavidR

Actually Beryl, I was talking about you, not to you. It was a general warning to all those who come here in the forlorn hope of reading some intelligent debate of the issues of the day rather than they usually get – which is you spitting verbal abuse at every target you can find.

Do you go to your local pub and carry-on like this? Thought not, Boofhead.
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April 4, 2012 4:46pm
David Garrett

I thought were in tears with your 3.31 post Phil…I actually felt sorry for you…but here you are, back hurling abuse…

Do you have enough of functioning cortex to see the irony in your referring to “resident lushes” when you openly admit to being stoned most of the time? Can you not actually see that you yourself are living proof that dak is not the harmless drug we all used to think it was?

And Phil, mate, if you call people “dogs” you can expect to get bitten…..
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April 4, 2012 4:54pm
philu

factcheck garrett:..people who make shit up to dob people in…and encourage other people to dob in..

..are known to most of the rest of us as ‘dogs’..

..you earned the tag…wear it..

..it’s all on the record here..

..the time when garrett woofed..

..and proved to all he is a ‘dog’..

..hard for you to deny..from here on in…

..(and i’ll keep reminding you/us all..if/should you forget..)

..and is the booze kicking in..?

..are you physically threatening me now..?

..i mean..you do have form in that area..eh..?

..and don’t ever call me ‘mate’..if you don’t mind..even in jest…

..i don’t like mad dogs..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 4, 2012 5:02pm
slijmbal

Someone said

“Exactly. I would never buy an apartment in Auckland city, simply because living in that environment doesn’t appeal. Depending on where the aprtment is, I know there will be people walking by outside at all hours of the night and early morning, drunk as anything and making loads of noise – doesn’t appeal, funnily enough. So I don’t buy there.”

Having done apartment living in the centre of a city I can say it has its advantages. Buy/Rent on or near the top floor – great views – least burgled, less noise than a typical suburban house and no-one walking above in clogs at 3 AM. In fact, seriously considering moving back in to the city once we retire for access to facilities especially the spectacle that is the weird and unusual people that brighten up our world. Currently, on a larger section pretty much in a reserve but then again peace and quiet after work is more attractive at present – so not a suburb hater.
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April 4, 2012 5:05pm
Chthoniid

RIP lacks the ability of a good single malt whisky at inducing feelings of calm and well being. It is nonetheless a good second-best solution for when I’m at work.
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April 4, 2012 5:05pm
Ryan Sproull

RIP lacks the ability of a good single malt whisky at inducing feelings of calm and well being. It is nonetheless a good second-best solution for when I’m at work.

What it lacks is the ability to filter out all the people clogging up the threads by engaging with him, hassling him and complaining about him. If I blocked all of them, there’d be almost no one left. That said, I’m pretty close to doing it.
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April 4, 2012 5:15pm
big bruv

Phool

You seem to assume that most people here support your parasitic lifestyle, you seem to think that by calling those of us who dob you in ‘dogs’ it is a badge of shame.

Well Phool, I wear that title as a badge of honour, much like I would wear the title “scab” in the same fashion. If my efforts (and those of David Garrett result in you being forced into work or losing your benefit then that is a great thing.

Oh..and as for the dogs, a vegan diet IS tantamount to animal abuse unless you supplement their diet with vitamins.
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April 4, 2012 5:29pm
Elaycee

Stuff needs a proof reader: The headline says: “Spit lands alleged tagger in cuffs. 13 min ago”.

And the next part: “Man charged with tagging an Australian Air Force plane, thanks to a three year old silvia sample…”

A silvia sample? What has an old Japanese shit cart got to do with it?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/
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April 4, 2012 5:29pm
big bruv

By the way…Key destroyed the Greens male co leader in the house today with his reply to question two, did anybody else see it?

I almost felt sorry for red Russ.

BTW..are there any Kiwis in the Green party?
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April 4, 2012 5:36pm
Ryan Sproull

Stuff needs a proof reader: The headline says: “Spit lands alleged tagger in cuffs. 13 min ago”.

And the next part: “Man charged with tagging an Australian Air Force plane, thanks to a three year old silvia sample…”

A silvia sample? What has an old Japanese shit cart got to do with it?

Elaycee,

Yep, long-running problem on Stuff.co.nz.

My favourite typo of theirs is recorded here:

http://www.statehighwayone.com/2011/09/israel-daggs-worrying-injury/

If you don’t want to click, it says that Israel Dagg has “battled back from his lengthy thing injury”.

EDIT: Just checked the original article on Stuff – still hasn’t been corrected.
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April 4, 2012 5:45pm
bereal

If anyone needed to see a total fuckwit destroyed in question time in parliament today.

Log on to’ parliament on demand’ and catch the questions from Julie Ann Genter (green)
Brownlee chewed her up and spat her out.

This fuken moron was trying to say that goods and services could be more easily distributed
throughout the country if we forgot about roading and motorways and we all walked or rode our pushbikes.
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