General Debate 3 April 2012

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Pete George

In mid-March David Shearer promoted positive pragamatic poitics. But yesterday he seemed to clearly be backing the Mallard and Little approach to “perception politics” with no facts required – in fact appearing to deliberately ignore known facts. Defamation or not it’s dishonest deceit.

Unfortunately Shearer’s “new kind of politics” seems to have been an aspiratioin. Now ducked.

Is David Shearer already owned by the Gotcha Gang?
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April 3, 2012 8:11am
joana

There has been several anti burqa wearing protests in Sydney. Naturally these have caused offense..
How tedious these people are.
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April 3, 2012 8:13am
Dave Mann

The anti-progress economic saboteurs are gunning for the proposed Fiordland monorail now. This would be a wonderful thing to have in Fiordland and would suck tourists here like a giant vacuum and give them a truly memorable experience…. so its no surprise that the eco-fucks want to stop it.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/6682459/Monorail-would-break-law-hearing-told

There was another ODT report online quoting some idiot who claims that it would be a ‘huge loss’ if the ‘world heritage status’ is lost (but the link has changed). Why don’t these people get a fucking life????
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April 3, 2012 8:27am
Ryan Sproull

There has been several anti burqa wearing protests in Sydney. Naturally these have caused offense..
How tedious these people are.

Oh, I don’t know. Anti-burqa wearing protests are probably a real social event in Sydney.
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April 3, 2012 8:36am
mikenmild

Had you considered that these people might be less tedious when they are not attending xenophobic demonstrations?
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April 3, 2012 8:49am
minto57

see the self righteous are off to a flying start
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April 3, 2012 8:53am
fooman

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6683748/Key-defends-casino-deal

Could someone explain to me how this is not legislation for sale?

High(low?)lights include:

“Key is facing increased pressure over the deal after reports gaming machines in pubs and clubs return 37 per cent of their profits to the community but Sky City casino returns just 2.5 per cent. Today Key said those figures were “not quite right” and there was “a range of ways” the casino made payments to the community but he “didn’t have to hand” details on how those payments were made. ”

“Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce was unaware of the huge discrepancy in returns to the community from casino-based machines when asked on Sunday. “
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April 3, 2012 9:19am
Stamper

Peddling Bull about AGW has just got a little harder:

No Global Warming For 15 Years
Monday, 02 April 2012 01:00 administrator
New UK Met Office global temperature data confirms that the world has not warmed in the past 15 years.
Analysis by the GWPF of the newly released HadCRUT4 global temperature database shows that there has been no global warming in the past 15 years – a timescale that challenges current models of global warming.

http://thegwpf.org/press-releases/5360-no-global-warming-for-15-years.html

The problem for the warmists with the satellite data is that it is publicly available and they can’t massage it up/down to suit their agenda.
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April 3, 2012 9:21am
Pete George

Climate debate aside, there’s been an unusual number of floods over the past few months, with some repeats, in New Zealand, Australia and Fiji.

And the forceast for the next few days for the North Island loks a bit iffy.
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April 3, 2012 9:40am
Elaycee

The repeaters within the MSM just don’t like letting the facts get in the way of their story…

“Key is facing increased pressure over the deal after reports gaming machines in pubs and clubs return 37 per cent of their profits to the community but Sky City casino returns just 2.5 per cent”…. and “Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce was unaware of the huge discrepancy in returns to the community from casino-based machines when asked on Sunday”…

Whaaaat? This is a classic case of chalk / cheese:

Pokies operated in pubs are owned by Charitable Trusts and profits are split (roughly) three ways – a third goes to the Government in the form of tax; another third (roughly) is retained by the Trust for operating costs / rentals etc; and the remaining third+ is paid out in the form of community grants. Info is readily available via the Dept of Internal Affairs if someone was interested enough to search for it. RSA’s also pay approx a third of profits to the Government in the form of tax but their remaining profits are usually used as welfare payments for their members. Clubs have a similar set up – but all operate under rules set in place by the DIA.

SkyCity operates under a Casino licence and, as a NZX entity, it discloses its revenues and profits via its Annual Report. Again, all info is readily available to anyone having the inclination to find it.

So, of course they’re different – one is an NZX listed, commercial entity. The others are Charitable Trusts.

Our media is truly pathetic. Poor research. A poor comparison. Poor media standards on show. And I’m sure the spokesperson for the Gweens will soon be be joining in / leaping about in a frenzy – she hasn’t got a clue either.
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April 3, 2012 9:42am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/ten-myths-about-capitalism-%C2%A0%C2%A0/

“…Capitalism in the neoliberal version has exhausted itself.

Financial sharks do not want to lose profits –

– and shift the main burden of debt to the retirees and the poor.

A ghost of the “European Spring” is haunting the Old World and the opponents of capitalism explain to people how their lives are being destroyed.

This is the topic of the article of a Portuguese economist Guilherme Alves Coelho.

There is a well-known expression that every nation has the government it deserves.

This is not entirely true.

People can be fooled by aggressive propaganda that shapes thought patterns, – and then are easily manipulated.

Lies and manipulations are a contemporary weapon of mass destruction and oppression of peoples.

It is as effective as the traditional means of warfare.

In many cases, they complement each other.

Both methods are used to achieve victory in the election – and destroy unruly countries…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 3, 2012 9:44am
MT_Tinman

Elaycee please stop introducing facts and sense into good beat-ups.
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April 3, 2012 9:45am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/steve-braunias-the-secret-diary-of-judith-collins/

“…MONDAY

The day ran very efficiently apart from a small confusion that occurred when I looked up and saw my staff gather at what they refer to as “the water cooler”.

They know my feelings about these gatherings. They know that frivolity sets my teeth on edge.

I tried to ignore their stupid chit and chat but could not – especially when they burst out laughing.

They know my feelings about laughter.

They know it makes my hair fall out.

I went over and inquired as to the nature of what it was they found “humorous”.

They said, “Oh, it was just something in yesterday’s paper.

Someone wrote that Nick Smith was an Accident Compensation Corporation waiting to happen.”

They laughed again.

I said, “That doesn’t make any sense.”

There was an awkward moment but then everyone went back to work – and order was restored…”

(ed:..heh..!..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 3, 2012 9:46am
Rat

Word of Advise for Trevor

$25 Million will buy you a hooker every night for 356 years, dont waste it on Sally Ridge
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April 3, 2012 9:48am
Ross12

Well done to the ASA , pulling up Greenpeace on their BS

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13327655/greenpeace-criticized-for-wildlife-claim/
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April 3, 2012 9:59am
Pete George

Re that Trevor – the media seem to be engaging in an orgy of attention that risks ending up in train wreck voyeurism.
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April 3, 2012 9:59am
Ender

I have been away long enough to have forgotten what drivel philu posts here.

Does anyone know what he is on about?
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April 3, 2012 10:09am
James Stephenson

Does anyone know what he is on about?

No, but he appears to be making an effort to ration his punctuation marks. I may give reading one of his posts a go, once he masters the concept of a paragraph.
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April 3, 2012 10:14am
fooman

Elaycee,

So what you are saying is that operating under a casino license does not require the operator to retain the minimum 37.12% of the ex. GST proceeds for authorised purposes that is the requirement for a class 4 license holder (e.g. clubs/trusts that operate pokie machines).

Therefore, if the government amends the Gambling Act 2003 to allow Sky City to install more gaming machines (which the current legislation forbids them to do), the proceeds from those new machines will go towards Sky City’s bottom line, with no requirement for returns to the community.

I guess that makes sense, otherwise Sky City’s offer of a $350,000,000 convention centre in Auckland in return for amended legislation to enable additional revenue from gaming machines, beyond that of the convention centre itself, would make little business sense.

So, how is that not buying legislation?

FM
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April 3, 2012 10:15am
Lee01

Ender,

“I have been away long enough to have forgotten what drivel philu posts here.

Does anyone know what he is on about?”

No, and neither does Phil.
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April 3, 2012 10:26am
Nookin

“So, how is that not buying legislation?”
Or is it “buying” a convention centre and 1000 jobs during construction? Or is it making the wheels go round for everyone’s benefit? And what is the downside?
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April 3, 2012 10:32am
bereal

Little philu took such a sound thrashing from all and sundry yesterday that
you would have thought he may have pulled his head in a bit today.

But he just can’t help himsef.
My diagnoses is, obsessive compulsive syndrome.
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April 3, 2012 10:32am
graham

May I make a suggestion?

If you see a post from philu that starts with a link to his own website, ignore it. Don’t acknowledge it in any way.

Because if you wouldn’t bother going to his website in the first place, what’s the point of wasting any time reading the exact same copy-and-paste here?

Now, if philu actually comments on a post, rather than just link-whoring, that’s different …
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April 3, 2012 10:41am
Scott Chris

Little philu took such a sound thrashing from all and sundry yesterday that

For fuck’s sake beryl, take your moronic heckling elsewhere.

This is a debate forum not a playground.
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April 3, 2012 10:48am
Lee01

“Or is it “buying” a convention centre and 1000 jobs during construction? Or is it making the wheels go round for everyone’s benefit? And what is the downside?”

Good point. This is not an example of “buying legislation”, but of negotiation for mutual benefit.

Lefties think they smell a rat, but it’s only because they have their heads up their asses, so shit is all they ever smell.
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April 3, 2012 10:49am
Lee01

“For fuck’s sake beryl, take your moronic heckling elsewhere.

This is a debate forum not a playground.”

Philu does not debate. He makes wildly bizzarre and unreadable posts, and then throws a childish tantrum when other’s do not agree with his insanity. If it is not a playground, he should not be here.
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April 3, 2012 10:53am
krazykiwi

Love what’s happening to Labor in Oz:

Queensland tsunami is heading for federal ALP

:::
There comes a time in the life of a government where it faces the choice to either change course or march to oblivion.

At present federal Labor is showing no sign of change. What Gillard should have done after the Queensland debacle was to convene the cabinet and announce that the carbon tax, fixed at $23 a tonne, would be immediately cut and set at a level that applies in comparable countries – say $10, as in Europe.

She should have cancelled the monstrous spending on “clean energy” schemes throwing taxpayers’ money after uneconomic proposals that will only ever increase costs for business and consumers. She should have announced reforms to help industry create jobs.

Instead she flew out of the country to a summit in Korea. The Queensland voters are entitled to conclude they will have to deliver the message a second time around.
:::
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April 3, 2012 10:59am
dime

Saw David Parker in the koru lounge this morning. What a creepy looking dude. Reminded me of Rudd.

He almost looks like a middle aged dyke.

That is all.
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April 3, 2012 11:06am
Elaycee

“So what you are saying is that operating under a casino license does not require the operator to retain the minimum 37.12% of the ex. GST proceeds for authorised purposes that is the requirement for a class 4 license holder (e.g. clubs/trusts that operate pokie machines).”

Please read what I said again. The Casino operates as a … Casino. Pubs and Clubs operate under the Charitable set up. Chalk and cheese. There should be no comparison. None at all.

The number of machines and table games at any Casino are set (used to be via a Casino Control Authority but now by the DIA). Sky City wants to expand so they need approval to do so. So they have offered a trade off – if the Government approves an increase in the number of machines they can have on the floor, then they will build (and pay for) a convention centre.

In essence, a new Convention Centre in Auckland would be funded by the users of the Casino rather than the taxpayer or ratepayer. As nookin said – where is the downside?
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April 3, 2012 11:13am
Brian Smaller

Who cares if there are 500 or a 1000 more pokies in Auckland? So some dumb people will bankrupt themselves because they have no self-control. Tough shit. There could be a million new pokies and they still wouldn’t get a coin out of me.
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April 3, 2012 11:24am
labours a joke

oohh look its the president of phools fanclub..grotchris , wont be long before milkmike pops up in full support mode.
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April 3, 2012 11:25am
southtop

Don’t let the truth get in the way, and try not to get it reported in the bulk of the LSM

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbnat/314585172-Greenpeace-criticized-for-wildlife-claim

couldn’t find reference on stuff or the herald
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April 3, 2012 11:43am
mikenmild

The downside. Elaycee, might just be in a massive expansion of the number of pokie machines. You might like to compare the different status of poker machines in casinos versus those in pubs and clubs, but the effect on the addicts is just the same. The only difference is the casino operator seems to get a better deal from operating the machines than the pubs and clubs do.
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April 3, 2012 12:02pm
James Stephenson

@southtop – looks like this one: http://asa.co.nz/display.php?ascb_number=12028
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April 3, 2012 12:02pm
graham

southtop –

I heard that on the radio this morning. I loved this bit:

“… Greenpeace hit back, alleging the complainant was a member of the Climate Science Coalition and had an axe to grind.”

And Greenpeace don’t???!!!
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April 3, 2012 12:05pm
thedavincimode

WTF!!

The lazy bludging little shit is back. Surely that meal ticket must be into long trousers by now.
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April 3, 2012 12:08pm
adze

So, who is responsible for the bureaucratic BS that resulted in Jacko Gill not being in this year’s Olympic squad, and why is their head still attached to their neck?
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April 3, 2012 12:31pm
kowtow

When I first read this I thought it must have been an April Fool joke.But it’s not.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/real-madrid-soccer-team-removes-cross-from-logo-to-get-uae-resort-deal.html
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April 3, 2012 12:54pm
bereal

Scott Chris @ 10.48

Hi Scott, when you were appointed, ‘ blog site policeman ‘ with authority to advise upon what could
or could not be posted, i just wondered, did you get issued with a little badge mate ?

If so, could you link to a photo of it so everyone could admire it. Thanks.
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April 3, 2012 12:58pm
wreck1080

When John Key announced the government returning to surplus by 2014 most people thought he was bonkers.

Now, John Key is stating that it is looking tricky…..

“Prime Minister John Key says the target of returning to surplus in the 2014-15 year is getting harder to reach because of global economic conditions.”

This is a fairly huge turnaround from what he said earlier, and also a complete reversal on so-called catching up to australia.

Surely Key has failed economically. Government is still larger than it was in 2005 (despite Helens massive increase in public servants).
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April 3, 2012 1:26pm
wreck1080

Good news for telecom total home subscribers….

They are doubling data allowances.

@
http://www.telecom.co.nz/whatsnew/moredata
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April 3, 2012 1:44pm
Nookin

thedavincimode

Have you been wandering? I thought the other day that we had not heard from you for a while. Hope you you havent been holding your breath waiting for Penny to apologise?
The meal ticket is, indeed, in long trousers and is about to head off to University. Dad has been offered a number of positions none of which appear to have taken his fancy.
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April 3, 2012 1:52pm
Griff

Hay philu Glad tp see you are winding the windable.
You really get up their ######.
How how many hours do some spend typing insults.
Almost as much fun as the anti science weirdos.
“It has not warmed in the last fifteen years, ”
The record high temps have become the norm!
😈 😆
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April 3, 2012 2:06pm
Elaycee

Milkmilo:”The downside. Elaycee, might just be in a massive expansion of the number of pokie machines…. …the effect on the addicts is just the same. The only difference is the casino operator seems to get a better deal from operating the machines than the pubs and clubs do.”

Back to square one…. The Pubs and Clubs already operate under different rules to a Casino. Pokie numbers have been declining in the Pub Club market for some years (anyone interested can see this on the DIA website) due to a sinking lid policy adopted by some Councils. But Casino has remained the same (their numbers are regulated). And clearly, they don’t get a ‘better deal’ at all.

So now we have a Casino willing to expand their business and, in order to provide an ‘offset’ for the approval of this expansion in machine numbers, they are willing to spend $XMillion on building a new convention centre. For the benefit of all and with no ratepayer or taxpayer funding required.

For the record: the casino is already a destination for… entertainment including gambling. An increase in machine numbers at the Casino is not going to increase the incidence of problem gamblers – if this was the case, then we should also stop any increase in the numbers of Lotto outlets / TAB outlets based on the same ‘logic’.

There is, actually no genuine downside. But I’m sure the Gweens will think of one…. As will gambling zealots among us. 😀
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April 3, 2012 2:26pm
mikenmild

I know that they operate under different regimes. Why casinos should be so favoured; I do not know. I also don’t know why you think there would be no increase in problem gambling from an increase in the number of machines. I should have thought that more machines = more gambling.
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April 3, 2012 2:31pm
David Garrett

bereal: How can you possibly say Phil took a sound thrashing yesterday? He WON FFS! Anyone (with a completely fried brain) can see that!

Pete at I Suk Up Ltd. is very upset Phil….he’s …ah…donkey deep in that effluent pond job he was counting on you to assist with…eh?

So when are the investigators coming around Phil? I’d get a lawyer if I was you…Mickey Savage would probably represent you for free…He’s a real stand up…guy..
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April 3, 2012 2:32pm
Elaycee

“I should have thought that more machines = more gambling.”

No. More gamblers = more gambling.

FIFY.
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April 3, 2012 2:38pm
DJP6-25

Elaycee 9:42 am. It’s just another example of creative destruction. The MSM is in decline, and the new media are rising.
One fine day there will be DPF, or Whale Oil TV. Doubtless something similar for leftists too. Their respective biases will be well known. Readers will be able to judge the veracity of the stories accordingly.

cheers

David Prosser
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April 3, 2012 2:49pm
DJP6-25

krazykiwi 10:59 am. Let’s hope so. What’s bad for Labor is good for Australia, and us.

cheers

David Prosser
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April 3, 2012 2:52pm
wreck1080

I’m appalled the police didn’t apologise to the mother of the man they accidentally shot and killed.

Why didn’t they apologise?
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April 3, 2012 3:47pm
PaulP

Wreck, I’m all for law and order but for once I actually agreed when I see the family may take legal action for compensation.

They lost a much-loved son and father and should get some compensation for the economic loss given he is gone so can’t provide the income for the family that he was. That is without even considering the human element of losing a loved one.
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April 3, 2012 3:55pm
Longknives

Wreck-
“Police say they “deeply regret” accidentally shooting and killing Naitoko and have told his family they are “truly sorry for their devastating loss”.”
Sounds like an apology to me-I also read somewhere that the officer who fired the fatal shot wrote to the family.
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April 3, 2012 4:00pm
wreck1080

@longknives — perhaps the apology could have been given before today. At least, the mother said she had not heard any apology from the police (before it was reported today).

Why not? You don’t have to wait for the results of an inquiry to apologise.

And, the actual cops should have personally delivered the apology, although their bosses would have controlled the process.
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April 3, 2012 4:04pm
Nostalgia-NZ

wreck and PaulP

I may be mistaken but I thought the police might have apologised earlier. I know they certainly provided some help.
I agree about compensation, there should be some type of body empowered to deal with compensation in cases like this, Susan Couch etc arising from acts or omissions etc by Government departments and their employees that result in injury or death, car chases would be another example as would medical misadventure. There is a whole culture at work defending against paying out in these situations, and those defences alone are prohibitively expensive.

In the Naitoko case there already seems agreement that the pursuit wasn’t controlled by a single section of the police which is considered to be a contributing factor, along with the relative inexperience of some of the personnel involved. I don’t see why the family needs to fight the Crown when shortcomings in the actions taken that day are already agreed upon.
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April 3, 2012 4:13pm
Nookin

PaulP

“They lost a much-loved son and father and should get some compensation for the economic loss given he is gone so can’t provide the income for the family that he was.”

They get ACC.
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April 3, 2012 4:22pm
bereal

Scott Chris @ 10.48 and 12.58

Just when you are able to get around to it mate. No hurry.
But, i’d really be mighty proud to see
a photo of such an important badge as that.

It must have made your year/life when you found out that you had been appointed.
(was it in recognition of your services to pimping on other correspodents ?)

But don’t let the bestowal of that high honour distract you from your work as philus protegee and
your important job as his support person in his upcomming appearence at the hearing at WINZ.

For the record. When DID you become the protegee of philu ?
Were you in the boob with him ?
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April 3, 2012 4:31pm
David Garrett

The Naitoko case is an absolute disgrace….this has been far too long in the coming; if the family was from Remmers or Mt Eden there would have been a result long before now…I have been gone from parliament for 18 months, and I recall Justice Goddard saying in the Law and Order Select Committee well before I left that a report on the shooting was imminent….As others have said, the cop who fired the shot was guilty of sloppy firearms safety practices that would have resulted in any other person losing their licence as a firearms holder the next day…(“Always identify your target; know where your bullet is going to travel if you miss”)

My heartfelt condolences to Mr Naitoko’s family …’ofa atu…
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April 3, 2012 4:48pm
Pete George

Greenpeace exaggerated?

Rena bird ad falls foul of watchdogs

Complaints about a Greenpeace advertisement that said the Rena oil spill killed more than 20,000 birds has been upheld.

The television campagin featured a succession of oil smudges in the shape of a penguin. A dead penguin covered in oil was shown being lifted from the paper followed by the message “over 20,000 birds were killed by the Rena oil spill”.

The next screen reads “deep sea oil drilling could be 1000 times worse”.

Bryan Leyland made two complaints to the Advertising Standards Authority saying the claim that 20,000 birds had died was a “gross exaggeration” and the message it could be 1000 times worse with deep sea oil drilling was incorrect.

An authority report released this week said the claim that 20,000 birds were killed was very strong and was a long bow to draw, particularly when the practise was based on British and American research.

It found the claim the spill had killed more than 20,000 birds was likely to mislead and deceive consumers and upheld the complaint.

However, it did not uphold the second complaint about a deep sea spill being 1000 times worse because the use of the word “could” presented the claim as an opinion or possibility as opposed to absolute fact.

Mr Leyland today said he was “moderately” pleased with the outcome, but disappointed the second complaint was not upheld.

“I think the claim that 20 million birds could die was the most ridiculous of the claims.”

I guess 20 billion birds could die if the oil spill was bad enough for long enough and spread widely enough, if there was enough oil and birds.

Once again all you have to do to promote nonsense is say it’s opinion, not state it as a fact.
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April 3, 2012 4:52pm
PaulP

Nookin, I had forgotten about the ACC death benefit but in this instance I don’t think it is sufficient. His income on which ACC would be based as a 17 year old courier driver would be pretty low.

The nature of the death I believe should provide additional compensation.
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April 3, 2012 5:05pm
PaulP

I have huge respect for Halatau Naitoko’s mother.

I don’t think I could be as forgiving as her, if I was writing to the police, if they had accidentally shot my son.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6685102/Halatau-Naitokos-mums-letter-to-police
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April 3, 2012 5:11pm
Nookin

PaulP
Factually, and probably morally, you may be right. Legally, however, the family can only sue for exemplary damages which are punitive and not compensatory are are therefore of little material benefit to the family.
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April 3, 2012 5:38pm
David Garrett

And just where the hell is Phil?? Normally he would be wading in on various threads, making a complete phool of himself….has someone said “Hey Phil,,,they are on to you mate, better keep your head down” ? or something similar? ….eh?

Or has he suddenly discovered the peace that comes with silence? Who knows? Come back Phil! I am keen to play again…
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April 3, 2012 5:39pm
bereal

i agree that the Naitoko case is a disgrace.

Sadly it seems to have shifted an even more disgracefull case off the front page.
Of course those responsible for that occurring are the cop haters, well represented on this site.
i refer to the matter of…

Waikato man Diwesh Sharma, who, whilst subject to a court issued non molestation order from his wife, tricked her
into thinking their kid had been hurt. Got her into his car, with their kid in the back seat, abducted her,
beat the shit out of her, poured gas over her and while she was still alive, lit her alight, while their kid looked on.
This was in rural New Zealand folks. (he couldn’t get the first gas station he called at, with her alive and in his car,
to lend him a can of gas so pressed on to another where he paid for 5 litres.)

Then took off overseas. He was caught and brought back to NZ to face ‘Justice”

Waikato Indian president Ray Vellara said the name Sharma was common in the part of India where most
‘honour killings’ were performed.

The biggest disgrace of all is that Diwash Sharma was sentenced by a New Zealand ‘judge’ to 14 and a bit
years in prison for doing that.
( shit, why wasn’t he given a fuken medal for restoring his family ‘honour’?)

If this ludicrous sentence is not apealed by the crown then this country has been fucked totally.
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April 3, 2012 5:43pm
Nookin

Now,now David. You are becoming obsessive. Why don’t you have a play on the waterwoman’s site for a while as an exercise in self-flagellation. Just to calm you down a bit, you know?
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April 3, 2012 5:43pm
Rat

Good God, some obsessive compulsive behaviour over Phil………….
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April 3, 2012 5:57pm
bereal

And the ‘Justice’ who sentenced this ‘Hero of honour’ to 14 years is Judge………….

He should be named and shamed and ……………. well you complete the sentence for this judge who so patently obviously has failed New Zealand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4573912/Burnt-body-victim-named-as-search-goes-offshore
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April 3, 2012 6:02pm
philu

garrett..i’ve addressed yr alcohol-issues/addiction over on the crim-mp’s thread…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 3, 2012 6:07pm
labours a joke

…last time I looked the phool was getting kicked around over at whale
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April 3, 2012 6:07pm
labours a joke

oohh speak of the drug addled devil..
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April 3, 2012 6:08pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Nookin.
5.38

I’ve read a little about the Susan Couch case and the argument about duty of care, something which could apply to Halatau’s death. I know Governments are convinced they must fight laibility and that ACC protects them but how accidental is a poorly controlled police chase. Even if the law is against Mrs Halatau, what prevents a Government recognising that an ACC payout doesn’t adequately suit the circumstances of Halatau’s death. Ross Muerant has some strong thoughts on the quality of any report of police effectively investigating their own and many others will wonder if even a portion of the money spent on the investigation would not have been better going directly to the family and consulting with them. Besides that it appears there is some legislation on the way to apply to situations similar to the Halatau case.
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April 3, 2012 6:21pm
bereal

Of course you do not need to be a psycologist to recognise that when you have a personality
issue like poor little philu.
It matters not that you are being held up to ridicule by your fellows.
Water off a ducks back.
That is easy for a prat like philu to suck up.

The one thing that he really couldn’t cope with is being ignored.
This specimen is happy to debase himself, show he has no shame, no self esteem, no probleemo.
He will say, or do anything to avoid the very worst.
Being ignored.

Right philu ?
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April 3, 2012 6:22pm
Leaping Jimmy

641,000+ views:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mYjuUoEivbE
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April 3, 2012 6:27pm
philu

bereal..you also need to read the piece about garretts alcoholism….

..’cos you are in the same basket…falling to sleep every night…drunk..

.you’re an old man now…your body won’t stand much more..

..are you tired of life..?

..many alcoholics are..

..and what was an affectation when young..

..is now a burden..

..as you well know..

..oh..!..and don’t mistake this for the opening of a dialogue..

..you are now back in the ignore-basket..

..it was just a public service announcement.

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 3, 2012 6:30pm
big bruv

“bereal..you also need to read the piece about garretts alcoholism….”

Lol…this from the parasite who is addicted to dope and smokes it on a daily basis.

How many jobs did you apply for today Phool?
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April 3, 2012 6:33pm
labours a joke

“..you are now back in the ignore-basket..”

lucky for you bereal…
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April 3, 2012 6:41pm
bereal

philu,

…oh….!…and don’t mistake this for the opening of a dialogue..(shit this moron has a high opinion of himself)

you would wonder why this moron can’t get real.

i just spelled it out for him @ 6.22

He should get this.
He is being played with.
He is having his chain pulled.
He has been found out. BUT
He just can’t help himself.
He has to react.
See, 6.30 pm
This specimen Can’t ignore it.
He just can’t.
i could pull his chain ad nauseum.
But i get bored.
Proves it. Right little philu ?
G’nite to you.
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April 3, 2012 6:50pm
philu

you know what is going to be so much fun..?..when the troll-i.d-app arrives…?

..the matching up of these people/snivelling-cowards? with their real names…

..it’s gonna be brilliant…..!

..big buckets of popcorn..all round….

..seeing who they are..what they do…

..and who they are to judge..?

..making them own their own words…

..posting the match-ups to their facebook pages/w.h.y….

..i am sure there will be some surprises for us all..

..and much amusement..”really..?…them..?..whoar..!’

..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 3, 2012 6:51pm
big bruv

Better be quick Phool, I have a feeling that you will be rather pressed for time when WINZ catch up with you.

Do let us know how you get on please.
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April 3, 2012 6:59pm
labours a joke

“posting the match-ups to their facebook pages/w.h.y…”

ppfftt…facebook..so yesterday phool
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April 3, 2012 7:33pm
cha

Ever wondered who all those people in the cover photo on Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band album are?.

Here’s the complete list.
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April 3, 2012 7:49pm
nasska

The country doctor was just returning from a delivery at an outlying
cattle ranch, when he crossed paths with the town’s gossip at the
gas station.

“Doc. Wilson, How is the Smith baby?”

“Well, the child was born without a penis.” the doctor said.

“Oh, my goodness!” said the gossip and with a smile on her face,
she turned to head into town to spread the news.

After she was out of earshot, the doc remarked to the gas
station attendant “But, she’ll have a damn nice place to put one
in about 18 years!”
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April 3, 2012 8:03pm
thedavincimode

Nookin

I’m not quite sure what the stupid water woman ought to apologise to me for apart from being gob-smackingly stupid and representing an unfortunate stain on the notion of human intelligence. But in any event, a good faith acknowledgement of any need to apologise requires a degree of intelligence above that of pond amoeba and that, sadly, excludes the mad-hatted nutter from the sub-set of terrestrial life that is actually capable of apologising.

Ahoy stupid indolent little magpie.

“… you know what is going to be so much fun..?..when the troll-i.d-app arrives…?”

Interestingly, I’ve recently developed a lazybludginglittle cunt-i.d-app and what would you know – you popped up!

I guess its working.
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April 3, 2012 8:13pm
nasska

Troll season has officially been declared open…..welcome back & good hunting Davinci!
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April 3, 2012 8:31pm
Nookin

Nostalgia

I doubt whether the family will get far in court but, as you say, the government might be embarrassed into a settlement. That happened with Cave Creek. I am not that keen on the idea. Soley from the perspective of social justice, why should a victim receive compensation if the tortfeasor is an arm of government but not otherwise? Compare say with Pike River and assume, for a moment, a finding very critical of Pike River. Are those families less deserving than the Auckland family? Or do they have a crack at OSH — finding a convenient governmental defendant? Where do you draw the line of governmental accountability?
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April 3, 2012 8:39pm
Leaping Jimmy

Ever wondered who all those people in the cover photo on Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band album are?.

cha, it’s unfortunate your link is so ignorant as to describe Crowley – 2nd from left, as a mere Magician.

Fact is he is one of the most influential satanists of all time.

The lead song “It was twenty years ago today, etc” is one Beatles recognition as to his importance.

The album was released exactly 20 years to the day, after Crowley died.

He was also Barbara Bush’s Father.

Sorry, I don’t normally give people cognitive dissonance during the week, but you raised it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3pJn5xyP2w&feature=related
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April 3, 2012 8:42pm
Viking2

THE war on drugs has failed according to a new report calling for a national debate on the controversial topic of decriminalising drugs.

The report, released today, urges politicians to face the taboo subject. It says a massive re-think is needed to tackle the illegal drug trade that allows organised crime to flourish and is “killing our children”.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/its-over-weve-lost-drugs-war-report-says/story-e6frfkvr-1226316949594#ixzz1qxtsIBq1
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April 3, 2012 8:46pm
Longknives

Leaping Jimmy- Not to mention Ozzy Osbourne’s hard-rock classic ‘Mr Crowley’ was written about him…
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April 3, 2012 8:47pm
Longknives

And Cha…have a crack at naming all the Beatles references/icons in this video (If you have a spare week or so!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqHjXF1gUWU
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April 3, 2012 8:48pm
cha

Free As A Bird(demo)

Free As A Bird (Original)
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April 3, 2012 9:07pm
Pauleastbay

Reid

Sorry what,? Aliester Crowley was Barbara Bush’s father?

Enlighten moi please.

Crowley died 1945, Sgt Pepper released 1967

Its not April 1 anymore is it?
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April 3, 2012 9:11pm
cha

#Longknives They’re all here.
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April 3, 2012 9:13pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Nookin
8.39

I think you draw the line at the point where the prosecution of the Governments responsibilities are unequivocally discharged to a high standard. I think that is was should be expected, that is what is paid for both by taxes and free elections. I see little difference between Pike River and the death of Halatau because of the argument that they were both facilitated by the failure of prosecution of the Government’s responsibility.

But what we see is defence of situations that haven’t meet a high standard. When first of all the onus must be on the Government, in its subsidiary powers to meet a standard, there is instead an offering of admissions of how things could have been done better. We see of a practised dialogue of how rules and procedures are corrected and improved. An acquittal of sorts, rather than self-analysis and response, not to future events, but to events like Pike River and the death of Halatau that have already happened, and which are left in an empty casket of an idea for the future and not for those, it seems to me, to whom a Government should respond now.
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April 3, 2012 9:40pm
Leaping Jimmy

Enlighten moi please.

Paul with respect we have clashed before and one does get tired of enlightening one who prefers not to be enlightened but rather to dwell in their continued darkness simply because that’s a more comfortable state to be in.

When I say something that’s esoteric and hard to interpret then I normally do help people find the links but this is just driving google, nothing more. So I suggest you just do it yourself and if what you find you think isn’t credible then by all means let me know and I will point you to other sources if you have completely missed the point.

But bear in mind if this is the worst or most surprising potential fact you’ve ever heard about the Bush’s is that Bush 41’s wife is Crowley’s daughter, then you don’t know anything about the Bush’s. Therefore trying to explain it all to you Paul is rather like explaining the economy to a ten-year-old. You simply don’t have any grounding and you simply wouldn’t understand many basic tenets and it’s also quite hard coming up with appropriate analogies which you could relate to. I just can’t be arsed doing that. With all respect.

I’m sure you’re not like that, you are after all, very intelligent, but like I say, use your intelligence and drive google, if you’re interested. I hope you are, because understanding the Bushes is not some minor peripheral road to a weekday cognitive dissonance county fair, it’s a superhighway to understanding a whole hell of a lot about the last thirty years, because even when Bush 41 was VP, he was still in charge, as proven by shit like Iran-contra, which Reagan had nothing to do with, and when Clinton was “in charge,” that was for show, as well.

But I digress. You have a clue. OTY what you do with it.
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April 3, 2012 9:54pm
Jack5

…STAND… AND… DELIVER….

10.04 and Philu’s out to it or watching trash on TV, so it’s safe to comment.

Philu – more than 11,000 posts on Kiwiblog. That’s around 600,000 full stops. If he took a breath at each fullstop, as the teachers told us, Philu would have brought alleged global warming to a crisis point years ago. He would have sucked out all Earth’s oxygen and replaced it with his carbon dioxide.

To be kind, while some regard the fullstop frenzy as a Kerouac-style literary affectation, there is a more mundane explanation. Either Philu’s keyboard is rooted, or a flaky nerve locks his right pinky on the stop key.

Regardless of whether Philu’s clinically crazy, and infuriating as his periodic posting frenzy can be, I admire him for soldiering on as a solo dad and looking after his son. Good on you Phil.

And sometimes the Philu frenzies can be entertaining. A few years ago Philu told how, in troubled earlier days, he had committed an armed robbery of a chemist shop while in the throes of drug withdrawal.

I recall thinking, Jesus if this is true, Philu stuffed the hold-up by demanding money in his Morse code talking. My fantasy: the chemists, hands up, looked at each other, puzzled by the staccato monologue. Frustrated, Philu emptied the pistol in the ceiling pumping out “full stops” between each shouted phrase, then stormed off, empty handed, out of bullets, out of full stops. The ceiling of the pharmacy like a philu-ed General Discussion thread on Kiwiblog.
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April 3, 2012 10:04pm
big bruv

Jack5

“Regardless of whether Philu’s clinically crazy, and infuriating as his periodic posting frenzy can be, I admire him for soldiering on as a solo dad and looking after his son. Good on you Phil.”

You admire him for “soldering on”?

Bloody hell man, thousands of mum’s and dad’s all over NZ manage to “soldier on” and look after their kids as a solo parent. The parasite simply uses his son as an excuse not to work. Thousands of solo parents manage to do so while holding down full time jobs.
Do you think that the way Phool “soldiers on” is a good example to his kid?, do you think that Phools open abuse of our drug laws is a good example to his son?

Nah…Phool is a parasite who still thinks that he did nothing wrong by terrorising a chemist and stealing from him and knife point, in Phools fucked up eyes the issue is his own drug dependency not the fact that he committed armed robbery.

If you think that is a bit harsh then ask the parasite to say he is sorry for the robbery, to this day he refuses to do so, in Phools world we should feel more pity for him than the Chemist.
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April 4, 2012 4:33am
Pauleastbay

Reid/ LJ

I do believe you’ve gone from the esoteric to the straight out demented on this one

but please enlighten moi on the 22 year “exactly 20 year” gap between Crowley’s death and Sgt Peppers release that you stated above – I believe its difficult to be esoteric with maths as it tends to be an exact discipline
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April 4, 2012 5:19am
mikenmild

Paul
LJ does put it out there with the conspiracy stuff. I was intrigued by the Crowley/Bush allegation but (alas!) there is no evidence for it – only a possibility that Barbara Bush’s mother (Pauline Pierce) may have had a friend who was acquainted with Crowley and that Pierce travelled in Europe in the year before Barbara was born.
Lack of evidence has never put LJ off this sort of stuff, and if one doesn’t buy it then it is down to ‘cognitive dissonance’.
On the other hand, 9/11 was an inside job, NASA faked the moon landings, the CIA murdered JFK and the Freemasons, well, they’re behind everything.
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April 4, 2012 7:00am
Nookin

Nostalgia
I think you have complicated the issue to hell and gone. We have a system of no fault compensation. No-one can sue for compensation for personal injury. It is wrong to have a practice where people can sue the government (where the government is at fault) and extract a settlement but others, who may be more grieviously affected but not by the government, cannot take any action.
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April 4, 2012 7:38am
Longknives

Cha- The internet takes the fun out of everything….
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April 4, 2012 7:44am
Nostalgia-NZ

Nookin
7.38

Maybe, but Henry says they’re suing. I think it will be all do with the Government being wrong in the Halatau case and not as to whether others might have had more reason to sue. Will be interesting.
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