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April 28, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 28 April 2012

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Yvette

Shearer has already been there longer than he should be, if everyone in the Labour Opposition is to have a turn at Leader before the next Election.

And Christian John Banks seems to need a little help …
Casinos – Romans 13:13 put no stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s path
Kim Dotcom – Matthew 25:36 I was in prison …

When you can’t remember if you were picked up from Mechanics’ Bay by Kim Dotcom’s helicopter or flew out to his Mansion in your own helicopter, it hints you may now be in the Top 1%
– no wonder you attract the wrath of Penny Bright and Phil Ur.
If two to the four $ 25,000 ‘Anoymous’ donations are Kim Dotcom’s, who are the other two from?

[Banks] said his contact with Dotcom was limited to a total of 20 minutes conversation and he had been to Dotcom’s mansion in Coatesville only once for dinner.
But film of the event – Dotcom’s birthday party – showed Mr Banks making a toast to the tycoon …
Staff at the mansion said it was one of three visits.
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10802016
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April 28, 2012 8:00am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/the-self-made-myth-debunking-conservatives-favorite-and-most-dangerous-fiction/

“…The self-made myth is one of the most cherished foundation stones of the conservative theology.

Nurtured by Horatio Alger and generations of beloved boys’ stories – It sits at the deep black heart of the entire right-wing worldview –

– where it provides the essential justification for a great many other common right-wing beliefs.

It feeds the accusation that government is evil because it only exists to redistribute wealth from society’s producers (self-made, of course) and its parasites (who refuse to work).

It justifies conservative rage against progressives – who are seen as wanting to use government to forcibly take away what belongs to the righteous wealthy.

It’s piously invoked by hedge fund managers and oil billionaires –

– who think that being required to reinvest any of their wealth back into the public society that made it possible is “punishing success.”

It’s the foundational belief on which all of Ayn Rand’s novels stand…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 8:04am
Keeping Stock

You’re quite right Yvette. Perception is everything in politics, and right now, the perception of John Banks is decidedly unflattering.

If it is proven that he knew the source of anonymous donations to his mayoral campaign, then he deserves to have the book thrown at him; it’s exceedingly poor political judgment. In the meantime, it seems that he has a mountain to climb.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/perception-is-everything.html
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April 28, 2012 8:14am
joana

Banks is a very poor liar.
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April 28, 2012 8:15am
David Garrett

Well, aside from the slimy Campbell having his dirty leftie fingers all over this…if the statement of the law is correct i.e. that if he KNEW who the “anonymous” donors are he has committed an offence, then he would seem to be in big trouble…or at the very least, have some serious explaining to do.

An NO-ONE forgets getting a chartered helicopter from downtown Auckland to Coatesville and back…not even someone of Banksie’s means…

And if Simmonds is quoted correctly, he is already doing a back pedal away from Banks…If there is a by election the Nats will get the seat, and there’s ACT finished..perhaps that’s for the best…leave the field clear for a new force on the centre right to consolidate prior to the next election.
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April 28, 2012 8:29am
Grant

“It feeds the accusation that government is evil because it only exists to redistribute wealth from society’s producers (self-made, of course) and its parasites (who refuse to work).”

Which in your case Phil, would be entirely accurate.
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April 28, 2012 8:32am
philu

“..would be entirely accurate..”

your belief in the self-delusion..?

..aye..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 8:38am
Luc Hansen

Would ACT still lose Epsom if they put up Catherine Isaacs?

I suggest not. National may play the system and not even put up a candidate.

I think the whole country would be better off when the blight of Banks is removed from our politics.
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April 28, 2012 8:39am
philu

and that flushing sound you heard while watching campbell on banks/dotcom last night..

..was banks/act going down the gurgler..

..eh..?

..dead-man/party-walking..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 8:40am
mikenmild

That would be an interesting problem for National, Luc. They might even ditch ACT altogether and put it out of its misery. As it is, ACT”s only purpose now seems to be an excuse for National to do some things they are keen on, like the charter schools nonsense, but did not want to campaign on lest they appear to be driven by principles.
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April 28, 2012 8:47am
nasska

It would seem that he, blessed with a suet pudding personality & smarm a plenty, is about to finish off ACT.

What an incredible role model for young God botherers the two faced one would make.
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April 28, 2012 8:51am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/word-order-the-internet-as-the-toy-with-a-tin-ear/

“…To account for the transference of the idioms of print to those of the electronic media – McLuhan examined two technological revolutions that overturned the epistemological status quo.

First, in the mid-fifteenth century, Johannes Gutenberg’s invention of moveable type – which deconstructed the illuminated wisdom preserved on manuscript in monasteries, encouraged people to organize their perceptions of the world along the straight lines of the printed page.

Second, in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, the applications of electricity (telegraph, telephone, radio, movie camera, television screen, eventually the computer) – favored a sensibility that runs in circles, compressing or eliminating the dimensions of space and time, narrative dissolving into montage – the word replaced with the icon and the rebus.

Within a year of its publication Understanding Media acquired the standing of Holy Scripture – and made of its author the foremost oracle of the age.

The New York Herald Tribune proclaimed him “the most important thinker since Newton, Darwin, Freud, Einstein, and Pavlov.”

Although never at a loss for Delphic aphorism – “The electric light is pure information”; “In the electric age, we wear all mankind as our skin” –

– McLuhan assumed that he had done nothing more than look into the window of the future at what was both obvious and certain…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 8:58am
philu

the kim hill thing on nat-rad on the theraputic-qualities of cannabis starts in a couple of minutes..after the news..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 9:01am
Keeping Stock

Thanks for the warning Phil; I’ll turn the radio off now.
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April 28, 2012 9:08am
Pete George

Panel comments from the euthanasia debate in Dunedin this week: Euthanasia discussion – comments

Participants:
Shaun Davison
Prof Grant Gillett, of the Otago Centre for Bioethics
Maryan Street – Labour Party list MP
John Kleinsman – director of the Wellington-based Nathaniel Centre, the New Zealand Catholic Bioethics Centre
Associate Prof Colin Gavaghan, a specialist in medical law and ethics
Thomas Noakes-Duncan – post graduate Otago theology and religion doctoral student
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April 28, 2012 9:12am
bhudson

And here’s one on the therapeutic qualities of work….http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/hwwb-health-work-gp-leaflet.pdf

Even Helen Kelly endorses this. It notes long term unemployment as being bad for a person’s well being
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April 28, 2012 9:13am
Yvette

Well you see, if I asked for one donation of $50,000 to be split into two lots of $25,000 to match two of $25,000 that were already there, whoever they were, how could I possibly know which was from whom, so they could all be legitimately declared ‘anonymous’ … I think … and that, Yvette, you cranky old bitch misquoting the Bible to me, is Matthew 6:3 – when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing …
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April 28, 2012 9:16am
philu

“..Thanks for the warning Phil; I’ll turn the radio off now…”

so typical of the rightwing..

..they are terrified of idea-infection..

..theirs are minds not for changing…facts/evidence be damned..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 9:26am
Leaping Jimmy

For those who’ve been following the Bo XiLai issue in China, a couple of interesting articles.

The first discusses the factional issue which is at the heart of this event – the murder is just a trigger point. If it wasn’t for this factional infighting, Bo would still be in power, murder or no murder.

http://blogs.reuters.com/nader-mousavizadeh/2012/04/23/chinas-war-of-the-oligarchs/

The second covers the possibility that Jiang Zemin the ex-Premier may be back in the corridors pitching for Bo.

“If you bring out Jiang Zemin, that means he’s being swept up in this current turmoil, and he may end up being investigate too. With his faction trying to throw out more senior people, it will actually pose a threat to Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao.”

http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/news_china/2012-04-23/Jiang-Zemin-s-Reappearance-Raises-Eyebrows.html

The faction who wins this gets to rule China. One of the factions is NWO and the other isn’t. If the NWO faction gets in it puts Iran on the table for US invasion which will trigger the start of WW III.
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April 28, 2012 9:41am
Positan

Philu

As long as you and yours perceive things the way you do and ascribe to the ersatz “ideals” of the crap-laden rubbish you write, the “right-wing” (or, as most would recognise – the down-to-earth, non-hands-out-holding, contributing and practical element of our population) has no fear of being supplanted by any sort of “left-wing” talent -as there is none.

Why don’t you go hide and play screw yourself? Almost every contributor here would really appreciate the vacuum left by your overblown inanity.
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April 28, 2012 9:51am
philu

tim groser puts forward a good-idea..(on the nation..)

namely that all children should be taught te reo/maori from age five..

..and he takes the lateral-idea/stance that this opens childrens’ minds to the very idea of being bi/multi-lingual/cultural..

..and which will open children to the idea of learning other languages…

..all of which can only be a good idea..for those children/new zealand..

(now that..is an example of good/compelling idea-infection..and one that turns most/the standard tranche of objections to children learning te reo..

..on its’ head…)

phillip(whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 9:58am
philu

positan..as davidr would say:..’that’s nice’..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 10:02am
Leaping Jimmy

Murdoch keeps getting worse and worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9226292/Will-Rupert-and-James-Murdoch-topple-David-Cameron.html

This is interesting

http://nazigold.greyfalcon.us/

How can anyone be so simple as to think US politics is WYSIWYG?

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/next-us-president-will-be.html
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April 28, 2012 10:14am
Keeping Stock

Phillip Ure said

so typical of the rightwing..

..they are terrified of idea-infection..

..theirs are minds not for changing…facts/evidence be damned..!

Actually Phil, I turned off the radio because I had to go to work. I realise that that’s an alien concept to you, but that’s what most of us do every day, and those of us who own businesses and employ people do more often than most.

Work’s great; you should try it some time 🙂
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April 28, 2012 10:22am
philu

groser would make a good leader for national..apres-key…

..(esp. if yr only other choices are the dead-eyes-twins..joyce/collins….whoar..!..eh..?

..guaranteed voter-turn-off/away there..eh..?..

..it’s almost scarier when they try to paste a smile over the top of their (natural) grim and grimmer visages..whoar..!..again..)

..groser could take national back to a softer holyoake-model of leadership..

..and away from the raving/ranting ideologues that have held sway of late…

..that..and his international-experience/profile/connections are much wider than the money-traders’..

..how can/could either ‘grim’ or ‘grimmer’ top/better that..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 10:29am
Other_Andy

Unemployed not interested in work

Southland dairy farmers are finding immigrants more desirable staff than “dysfunctional” New Zealanders, a Lincoln University academic says.
University researcher Rupert Tipples said a lot of problems dairy farmers were seeing with Kiwis was that they might have a criminal record, social issues and did not want to work.

Getting staff for the Maori tribal land developed into dairy farms would be challenging, Dr Tipples said.
“What about all their dairy developments that are now beginning to take place? Are they going to employ young Maori to be the workers on those? Or are they going to get caught with the exact same problem? They won’t get young Maori and Pasifika youth working on their farms, and they’ll have to employ migrants to milk their cows.”Federated Farmers Southland dairy chairman Russell MacPherson said he attended the Winton meeting. The achievements by immigrants in the dairy industry should make unemployed New Zealanders ashamed, he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/6814631/Immigrants-top-pick-for-farm-work

Reminds me of the fishing quota and millions of dollars given to ‘Maori tribes’ so young Maori could be employed in the industry.
They now sit on their bums and collect fees from selling their quota to underpaid foreigners.
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April 28, 2012 10:44am
3-coil

I missed it on the news, but there was apparently an ANZAC service held in New York city on Wednesday – did anybody see or does anybody know if our ex-Prime Minister (and now NY resident) Helen Clark attended?
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April 28, 2012 11:10am
KevinH

ACT was killed off when Brash rolled Rodney, game over. New Zealander’s at large could see for the first time that ACT was always National in disguise, a party created to suit the ambitions of a small cabal of wealthy influential businessman who shall remain anonymous, however revelations in the last few day’s concerning donations illustrate the type of person who backs ACT.
Can ACT win Epsom with Issac’s if Banks resigns?
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April 28, 2012 11:22am
Twinkletoes

In regard to Mohammud and necrophilia (yesterday’s GD) was directed to a site ” CrossMuslims blogspot” which has a good article and references to this particular practice.

Am just reading ‘Did Mohammud Exist’ by Spencer – he makes some very good points about the initial conquests by the Arabs being totally devoid of the name of the Prophet, or any Prophet and that these armies were known as Saracens, Hagarites (Abraham’s concubine whom Islam claim gave birth to their forefather Ishmael but as he was born out of wedlock to Hagar, was not considered Abraham’s heir by the Jews but in Islam he is the first born and concubines are legal so Ishmael it is! ). Other names used for the Arab armies were Ishmaelis ( the Aga Khan’s lot), Muhajirun but Muslims never got a mention in the writings of the contemporay Christians etc. in that era! When Jerusalem was conquered, it was not conquered in the name of Islam or the Prophet – just by Caliph Umar (second Caliph after Mo and personal friend and companion of his) who ruled the Arabs at the time they invaded Syria – Sham as the Arabs called the Byzantine area north of Arabia before their invasion.

Some good reviews on Amazon, some quite contentious of course from the usual sources – some bashing the author even tho’ they hadn’t actually read the book!
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April 28, 2012 11:44am
bhudson

RIP Fred Allen

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/6823098/All-Black-legend-Sir-Fred-Allen-dies-aged-92
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April 28, 2012 11:58am
Johnboy

You must be really pissed off Magpie.

A huge proportion of your contribution to the wealth of the country has been lost due to Bill English’s mismanagement. 🙂

I’d moan if I were you!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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April 28, 2012 12:15pm
Fletch

Twinkletoes, am interested in reading that, but it does not seem to come in a Kindle version at the moment, and that’s how I’ve been buying most of my books.
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April 28, 2012 12:35pm
Leaping Jimmy

So a guy accuses Obama of having gay sex gets sued for libel, the plaintive being represented by one of the biggest most reputable Washington firms and the guy representing himself, and the case gets tossed out of court.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/libel-case-against-obamas-gay-accuser-tossed/

The alleged defamation did not center on Sinclair’s charges of sex and drugs with Obama but on Sinclair’s claim in his 2009 book that the Obama campaign and top adviser David Axelrod had agreed to pay Parisi $750,000 to rig the results of a polygraph test.

Parisi failed to present any evidence that Sinclair’s claim about Axelrod and the Obama campaign was false, wrote U.S. District Court Judge Richard J. Leon in his Feb. 28 opinion dismissing the case…

…Sinclair told WND in a telephone interview that he stands by the claims in his book.

“I still believe all the charges I have made are true, and I have seen nothing to date that would change my beliefs,” he said.

He also continues to stand by his primary charge against Obama.

“I know from personal experience that Obama lied when he said he had given up drugs in college, and I can attest in detail to the fact Obama engages in homosexual sex,” Sinclair said.

In addition, Sinclair says he believes that the murder of Donald Young – the homosexual choirmaster at Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago – was an attempt to protect Barack Obama’s secrets. Young was murdered shortly before the 2008 Iowa Caucus.

Murder as well. Shades of Vince Foster isn’t it.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/washington-insider-obama-member-of-chicago-gay-mans-club/
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April 28, 2012 12:36pm
Johnboy

What do you reckon your overall contribution to the national economy has actually been over your lifetime Magpie?

I mean it must be pretty substantial, what with you being a major asset, through your news compiling activities and all. 🙂
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April 28, 2012 12:45pm
Johnboy

Bill’s been pissing all your hard earned cash against the wall it seems! 🙂
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April 28, 2012 12:46pm
Fletch

Leaping Jimmy, I see Obama is going so far now as to actually criticize on his website actual single donors by name who give money to the Romney campaign. That is so wrong. It is people’s democratic right to give money to whomever they want, and not be feared that the most powerful man in the country is going to single them out by name.

O must be getting desperate. He is using the tactics of fear now, and anything else he can use.

Try this thought experiment: You decide to donate money to Mitt Romney. You want change in the Oval Office, so you engage in your democratic right to send a check.

Several days later, President Barack Obama, the most powerful man on the planet, singles you out by name. His campaign brands you a Romney donor, shames you for “betting against America,” and accuses you of having a “less-than-reputable” record. The message from the man who controls the Justice Department (which can indict you), the SEC (which can fine you), and the IRS (which can audit you), is clear: You made a mistake donating that money.

Are you worried?

MORE – http://on.wsj.com/JtWjIS
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April 28, 2012 1:00pm
philu

this is one for all the aged sots who lurk here…and it goes a long way to explain how/why they are..

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/to-feel-more-mature-cut-back-on-booze/

“..“When a heavy drinking 30-year-old comes in for therapy and says he doesn’t feel like an adult –

– we can present this study and suggest that cutting back on alcohol could help him feel more mature,” says lead researcher Rachel Winograd – a doctoral student in psychology.

“People in their early 20s who accept their own heavy drinking and experience alcohol-related consequences may not realize that these behaviors can be associated with identity issues later on,” says Winograd –

– whose findings are published in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 1:21pm
Johnboy

Jeeze. The country is fucking lucky to have a news agglomerator like you Magpie! 🙂
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April 28, 2012 1:25pm
Johnboy

Agglomeration is the act of taking useful little bits of stuff and turning them into bigger lumps of shit in case anyone was wondering! 🙂
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April 28, 2012 1:37pm
philu

speak of ‘aged sots’….and what happens..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 1:42pm
Harriet

Philu quotes –

“….alcoholism….heavy drinking….we can present this study and suggest that cutting back on alcohol could help him feel more mature….” -says Winograd -whose findings are published in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research…”

No one has ever thought that alcoholism or heavy drinking WAS/IS an act of maturity !

This is nothing more than a waste of a research grant !

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April 28, 2012 1:43pm
UpandComer

philu you obviously aren’t a drongo. Why are you happy to talk shit at ‘right-wing’ people who pay for you to bloody live. That’s what really gets me about it and other left wingers talking shit at the ‘rich’/people who earn a damn living and pay for yours. Your criticisms carry zero weight. You have zero ethos. You have zero credibility. You are being maintained, like a dog, at the expense of others, who don’t even like you. A good sheep dog is worth more then you. Fuck about putting news together if you like, but don’t criticise the people who pay for you to do it.
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April 28, 2012 1:43pm
Johnboy

No answer again Magpie?

What a bloody surprise! 🙂
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April 28, 2012 1:45pm
philu

harriett..you have made two comments..

one defending the tobacco-pushers..

..and one defending the booze-pushers..

..do you work in p.r. by any chance..?

..and the research proves sots stay childlike forever..c.f..that smiley-sot..

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 1:53pm
Harriet

Fletch says –

“….O[Obama] must be getting desperate. He is using the tactics of fear now, and anything else he can use…”

Yep ! Just like the comment he made during the so-called ‘race’ killing in Florida “If I had a son he would look just like him.”

Yet Obama is half white….where as that dead kid wasn’t as both his parents were black Americans….Obama is simply a marxist who wants to use racial tensions as a tool to push his agenda.
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April 28, 2012 1:57pm
Johnboy

“..do you work in p.r. by any chance..?”

Whatever!!!!

At least she works Magpie!!!! 🙂
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April 28, 2012 1:58pm
Don the Kiwi

If philu didn’t spend so much time writing rubbish here, he might realise that he’s got time to do another ‘P’ cook before dinner.
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April 28, 2012 2:29pm
bereal

Yvette
Sorry to hear you are not in the best of health at the moment, best wishes to get well soon.
Upon reflection i’m not suprised you didn’t get my attempt at humour, it was pretty pathetic.
(sometimes i’m not firing on all 8 cylinders after 9 pm or so on a Friday night.)

Tres, meaning very, as in Les Misrables by Victor Hugo
(i was trying for the Kiwi accent.)
phoneticaly.. French, Lay Miz er arb lay. Kiwi, Lez Miz ra bulls.
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April 28, 2012 3:01pm
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/how-america-lost-its-collective-mind-in-the-drug-war/

“..By any measure; economically – morally – democratically –

– we are the worse for pot prohibition…” (cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 3:32pm
Johnboy

But not……”punctuationally…..eh? 🙂
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April 28, 2012 3:39pm
Michael Mckee

Fletch (2,610) Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

What do you expect from the left?
This is just par for the course.
yet another reason to not elect them.
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April 28, 2012 3:55pm
hmmokrightitis

Hey philu, I have a question or three. And feel free to ask me similar questions by return, so its ‘fair’.

Do you have a job, a real paying job?
How much do you earn from this job or jobs?
Do you collect a benefit of any sort?

And yes, its serious questions, I want to know.
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April 28, 2012 4:08pm
Nookin

“one defending the tobacco-pushers..

..and one defending the booze-pushers..”

From a f…..t who is all in to bong!
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April 28, 2012 4:36pm
Johnboy

Jokes for Magpie:

Phil called the fire department and said, “Come quick my house is on fire!” The Fireman asked “How do we get there?” Phil says “DUH, the big red truck!”

Phil and his mate (yes he has one) are sittin’ around coolin’ it. Phil says to his mate, “Whatcha thinkin’ ’bout, Man?” “Oh, I was just reminiscin’ ’bout Woodstock”. “Man?!!? You wuz never at Woodstock!” Oh,… yeah” says his mate.

Phil walks into the Chemist. He goes up to the man behind the counter and says “got any weed?” He says “no!” So Phil leaves. Phil comes back and asks the guy behind the counter “Hey you got any weed?” The man says “No I told you yesterday, we don’t sell weed here.” So Phil leaves again. Phil walks in the next day and says “Got any weed?” The clerk behind the counter says, “Look you fuckin burnout we don’t sell weed here, if you come in here again, I’m goin to nail your fuckin teeth to the floor!!!” So Phil leaves. He comes in the next day. “You got any nails?” “No”, the clerk replies. Phil looks at him in the eyes and says, “You got any weed?”

Phil buys some really good stuff. he comes home, rolls a good-sized joint, and starts to decide where to hide the rest of the pot in his room. “Ok I’ll hide it under the table,” he says to himself. So he hides it under the table. then he thinks for a minute. “Wait if the cops come they’ll ask me:” “Do you have any marijuana?” “No.” “Do you have it under the table?” “………….” And I’ll be all fucked up. Well I’ll hide it under the bed.” …then he thinks for a minute… “No, wait! If the cops come they’ll ask me:” “Do you have any marijuana?” “No.” “Do you have it under the table?” “No.” “Do you have it under the bed?” “………….” “And I’d be all fucked up. Well, then I’ll hide it on the bookshelf…But wait! If the cops come they’ll ask me:” “Do you have any marijuana?” “No.” “Do you have it under the table?” “No.” “Do you have it under the bed?” “No.” “Do you have it…” “OH FUCK!!! WHERE DID I HIDE IT??……..”

Phil finds a poor person on the street and helps him up. The poor person says, “Son, I’m a genie. And since you helped me I’ll give you three wishes.” Phil says, “I want a six-inch joint!” The genie says, “Okay!” POOF! They stuff a six-inch joint and smoke it between the two of them. “What’s the second wish? asks the genie. “I want a twelve-inch joint,” says Phil. “Okay,” says the genie. POOF! And they stuff it and smoke it between the two of them. “And the third wish?” “I want a twenty-inch joint!!” POOOF!! So, they stuff it and smoke it between the two of them. Finally, the genie gets up and says, “Okay, it’s time for me to go.” The genie takes a couple of steps, pauses, turns around and says, “Okay, just one more wish.”

There’s Phil and Leaping Jimmy sitting on a bench waiting for a bus. LJ gets bored, leans over to Phil and says, “Hey I’ll tell you what, I’ll ask you a question and if you don’t know the answer you have to give me five bucks. If you ask me a question and I don’t know the answer I have to give you fifty bucks.” Phil says, “Alright, Man.” LJ asks Phil, “What is the Pythagorian Theory?” Phil replies, “I don’t know,” and hands LJ five bucks. “Okay,” Phil says, “What has three legs going up a hill and four legs going down?” LJ thinks real hard and finally gives up. he hands Phil fifty bucks and then asks, “So, what is the answer?” Phil says, “I don’t know,” and hands LJ five bucks.
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April 28, 2012 5:12pm
Don the Kiwi

Shit Johnboy.

You must be desperate for someone to talk to 😉

Phil’s probably totally fucked in the head by now….he’ll reply tomorrow…maybe.

Sherbert time
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April 28, 2012 5:25pm
philu

nobody has ever died from a pot-o.d there..nookin..

..the safe one is illegal..

..the killer ones are pushed/advertised..

..if it weren’t so sad..it’d be funny..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 5:32pm
Griff

Even better philu
They are going to push the price of ciggies to the extreme
Creating a black market
With all the inherent costs to society that inevitably follow
Of cause the war against cannabis is a total fail
the price of cannabis has remained stable over the last thirty years
its still 20$ for a tinny they may be smaller but are way more potent
Around 300 $ oz
in that time 2doz stubbies used to be 10$ is now 30$
Make it legal and the price would rise 🙂
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April 28, 2012 5:47pm
philu

“..Make it legal and the price would rise..”

don’t think so..

the removal of prohibition wd see the price drop…

..that is why those currently controlling the market don’t want that price to fall..

..so don’t want legalisation..

..and people wd grow their own…

..putting further downward pressure on that price..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 5:54pm
Yvette

Thousands join Queen St hikoi
Protestors congregated on Victoria Park in the early afternoon, before commencing on a protest march down to Aotea Square, on Auckland’s Queens St.
They made their feelings clear, chanting “John Key, you suck eggs” and “Aotearoa is under attack”.

Yeah, right!
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April 28, 2012 5:54pm
Keeping Stock

Here’s a drug story for Phil:

Cops catch hundreds of stoners behind the wheel

New Zealand’s drug-driving scourge has been described as a “hidden epidemic”, with latest figures showing hundreds of people have been caught stoned behind the wheel.

The figures, released to the Herald, show police caught 568 drugged drivers between the introduction of the anti-drug-driving law in November 2009 and February this year. The vast majority were men.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10799191

Hope you don’t smoke and drive Phil..

..eh..?
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April 28, 2012 5:55pm
Luc Hansen

A repost on the now fading from memory How Times Change post by our esteemed host:

I hereby challenge DPF on the veracity of this claim:

Incidentally this was published just two years before the National Academy of Sciences first talked about global warming

I presume DPF means when the first paper was published linking CO2 emissions to an increase in global temperatures.

DPF, you may like to peruse this 1970 paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. I don’t know if it was the first to explicitly link increasing CO2 to global temperature increase, but that’s not my point:

Research Article
G S Benton
Carbon dioxide and its role in climate change
PNAS 1970 67 (2) 898-899
…earth’s surface. The present rate of increase of 0.7 ppm per year would therefore (if extrapolated to 2000 A.D.) result in a warming of about 0.60C-a very substantial change. A second cause of climatic change is particulate loading of the atmosphere. Some…

PDF of full paper:

http://www.pnas.org/content/67/2/898.full.pdf

An extract:

The effect of carbon dioxide is to increase the earth’s temperature by absorbing outgoing terrestrial radiation. Recent numerical studies have indicated that a 10% increase in carbon dioxide should result, on the average, in a temperature increase of about 0.3OC at the earth’ssurface. The present rate of increase of 0.7 ppm per year would therefore (if extrapolated to 2000 A.D.) result in a warming of about 0.60C – a very substantial change.

A second cause of climatic change is particulate loading of the atmosphere. Some meteorologists have attributed the cooling of the earth since 1940 primarily to such pollution of the atmosphere by man.

Looks like DPF has been listening to the denialists again and failing to fact check with original sources – a little more time-consuming than a quick visit to WUWT, perhaps?
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April 28, 2012 5:56pm
bhudson

Gaia’s gone down the gurgler Luc. Lovelock laid it Out for us all…
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April 28, 2012 6:05pm
eszett

Fletch (2,610) Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Leaping Jimmy, I see Obama is going so far now as to actually criticize on his website actual single donors by name who give money to the Romney campaign. That is so wrong. It is people’s democratic right to give money to whomever they want, and not be feared that the most powerful man in the country is going to single them out by name.

O must be getting desperate. He is using the tactics of fear now, and anything else he can use.

Really? The right accusing someone using the “tactics of fear”?

Strauss makes an accusation without providing any evidence and all you can find is that this article gets repeated over and over again.

Strauss just says:

This past week, one of his campaign websites posted an item entitled “Behind the curtain: A brief history of Romney’s donors.” In the post, the Obama campaign named and shamed eight private citizens who had donated to his opponent.

It would have been easy to supply a link. I did a search on the title and all I came up with was right wing blogs and fox news regurgitating strauss’ piece. Might be me, but I could not find that website. Even if it was taken offline, it would have been cached somewhere.

So is there any proof that this site existed and, more importantly, is there any proof that the site was indeed an obama campaign site?
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April 28, 2012 6:06pm
Johnboy

Luc Hansen:

Living evidence of how the evolution of man has created an appreciation of why we evolved from a lower species of life! 🙂
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April 28, 2012 6:07pm
Griff

Keeping Stock (7,488) Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

Conservative and science
go together like chemists and junkies

There is little evidence that driving wile intoxicated is any worse than being old or tired, let alone all U tired old fogies behind the wheel.
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April 28, 2012 6:37pm
Luc Hansen

But wait, there’s more! From 1920:

http://www.pnas.org/content/6/10/583.full.pdf

An extract:

The possible influence of the supposed blanketing effect of carbon dioxide on past climates has long been a favorite hypothesis

Johnboy,

Your classification of other species, including species we evolved from, as lower forms of life is the perfect indicator of much that is wrong with humans.

The first rule of life should be this: All species are created equal

But hey, thanks for paying attention. Maybe there is faint hope for you yet!
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April 28, 2012 6:39pm
Luc Hansen

Some light relief guys and girls – over 4 million views:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAFQIciWsF4

Jimmy Fallon and Barack Obama slow-jamming the news
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April 28, 2012 6:54pm
nasska

It’s amazing how we are all enriched by inviting stone age primitives to live amongst us.

Ref: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099695/Iraqi-mother-beat-daughter-19-locked-bed-seen-speaking-boy.html
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April 28, 2012 6:56pm
Luc Hansen

Thanks to DPF sending me off on a mission, I happened across this informative article published by the National Academies of Science:

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/11/4086.short?rss=1&amp%3bssource=mfr

Title: Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior

Abstract: Seven studies using experimental and naturalistic methods reveal that upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals

No further comment.
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April 28, 2012 7:17pm
philu

(this line is good..)

“..Mediator and moderator data demonstrated that upper-class individuals’ unethical tendencies are accounted for, in part, by their more favorable attitudes toward greed…”

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 28, 2012 7:24pm
Other_Andy

@Luc

“The possible influence of the supposed blanketing effect of carbon dioxide on past climates has long been a favorite hypothesis”

Realy Luc?
You think you are telling us something new?

Everybody knows CO2 is a greenhouse gass.
Everybody knows that an increase of CO2 will (If everything is equal) cause warming.

You and your alarmist blame humans for all the rise in CO2, blame all the warming on CO2 and state that an increase of CO2 will cause an accelerating rate of global warming (CAGW).
All the readings now show that this theory-hypothesis is incorrect.
There is no accelarated warming, not even a linear rate of global warming compared with increasing levels of CO2.

You, Mann, Gore, Trenberth and all the others have been exposed as political activists making the most outrageous predictions that are proven false every time.
Like little eco-fascists, they ask for free speech and democracy to be suspended, smear and threaten other scientists, destroy and manipulate and falsify data and are caught lying time and time again.
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April 28, 2012 7:34pm
Yvette

nasska – as you will have read
Farhan, 50, faces charges of aggravated assault, unlawful imprisonment and resisting arrest. She was being held in a Maricopa County jail.

may be an interesting place for her to be.
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April 28, 2012 7:40pm
tom hunter

Ah well. Party one night, relax the next …

It would have been easy to supply a link. I did a search on the title and all I came up with was right wing blogs and fox news….

Seriously? How hard did you look? Here’s Keeping GOP Honest. They’re not associated with the Obama campaign in exactly the same way the GOP SuperPac’s are not associated with Romney.

I appreciated this take on the whole business by “Allahpundit” at HotAir, who points out that the Nixon approach may backfire, but that Obama probably does not care at this stage:

If you’re worried about being hassled by Obama and his base, you’re better off sticking with Super PAC donations. That means even less transparency from political donors in the aggregate, but I’m not sure O minds that. He doesn’t really care about transparency, he cares about choking off funds to Romney’s campaign for organizational and other GOTV uses. Funneling rich donors away from that and entirely into Super PACs may be his best bet since many of them are bound to be donating heavily to Super PACs anyway.

Of course I see no reason to get outraged about this. American politics has been like this for a long, long time – as I’m sure we’ll once again see with Volume 4 of Caro’s biography of LBJ (thumbs up to PaulEastBay for noting that the other day). By the way, you can’t get a better politics of fear than by telling people to vote for the left if they don’t want to lose their benefits.
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April 28, 2012 7:40pm
Griff

Big rant from the alties there
weirdo:lol:

Sticking in the catastrophic warmest label really hard

“they ask for free speech and democracy to be suspended, smear and threaten other scientists, destroy and manipulate and falsify data and are caught lying time and time again.”

Sounds very much proven behavior on behalf of the heartland sponsored cabal of right wing conservative nut jobs to me.
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April 28, 2012 7:45pm
Don the Kiwi

Like all leftist, they claim all these things to scaremonger –

“therfore we must tax those causing CO2 – so that we can re-distribute / so that we can give ourselves an elitist lifestyle…..”

Looking forward to a life a luxury while the “rich” suffer, eh Luc?
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April 28, 2012 7:47pm
nasska

Yvette,

It’s one part of the USA where bleeding heart liberals have had little input in prison design.
Should be just like home for her.
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April 28, 2012 7:51pm
nasska

You have to admit that the ingenuity and inventiveness of the human race is nothing short of astounding. Look how far we have come. At one time early humans were nomads just walking around naked. Then they invented clothes and learned to build dens to live in. Then we discovered the wheel and learned how to make tools. Then came farming and organised civilisations. Eventually we had the industrial revolution and machinery. Then we learned to fly and invented TV and radio. Then computers that were quicker than any human brain. Then came the invention of the internet, the super highway of information that enables people all over the world to sit and watch other people…..

….. walking around naked.
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April 28, 2012 7:57pm
Griff

Don the Kiwi

FFS do you believe this?
A massive plot on behalf of the un and all the scientific bodies of the world ……and most of the governments as well.
To change the data to hide the facts to lie. so the poor can have more?
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April 28, 2012 8:08pm
Other_Andy

@Griff

“they ask for free speech and democracy to be suspended, smear and threaten other scientists, destroy and manipulate and falsify data and are caught lying time and time again.”
Sounds very much proven behavior on behalf of the heartland sponsored cabal of right wing conservative nut jobs to me.

Just look up some of your heroes Griff.
James Lovelock, Peter Gleick, Michael Mann and ‘Greenpeace”.

As for rants…you’re the best Griff, no competition.

Griff on August 19th, 2011
Rich Prick going nananana
Wont chance science never has never will. all gore was johnny come lately. Warmest decade now next warmest last decade
you are sucked in by approximately one dozen nut jobs and the oil industry. who spend lots to disprove the theory
ALL major science body’s in the world support the warmest the last to change its tune was American society of oil engineers even the oil scientist support the theory so you are the Luddite
alarmist mental masturbation climate nut-jobs master propagandists shit science
shows the deinilst thought patterns aptly
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April 28, 2012 8:13pm
eszett

Ah well. Party one night, relax the next …

It would have been easy to supply a link. I did a search on the title and all I came up with was right wing blogs and fox news….

Seriously? How hard did you look? Here’s Keeping GOP Honest. They’re not associated with the Obama campaign in exactly the same way the GOP SuperPac’s are not associated with Romney.

Thanks tom. Admittedly, I didn’t look very hard, I was just curious as why there was no link in the original article, not even a mention of the site.

Pretty obvious now why not.
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April 28, 2012 8:20pm
nasska

Griff

It’s more a matter of how the money bled dishonestly from the developed nations
will be transferred to the poor. The parasites in the UN will clip the ticket & develop immense power
through distributing our money.
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April 28, 2012 8:24pm
Griff

Oh look goodnes have made it I have a cyber stalker
Out of context
posting
would you like to post the actual debate
As to masturbate I always get the picture of someone masturbating over WUWT
As they get there prejudges on the matter confirmed;
by lies misquotes outright manipulation of data
Get to call some of the most eminent names in science all sought of slander
On their the home page header is a link to climate gate
Which has been investigated time and again and found the greatest fault was the reaction to repeated harassment by a very few nut jobs
One of them is a watts and his pointless champaign on the USA temperature record data
You are an altscience nut job

Here comes the read herring or
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April 28, 2012 8:33pm
Other_Andy

Blast from the past

An article stating that ‘climate scientists’ are not dramatic enough.

Here is the prediction:

As industrial activity in China and India increases, the effects of global warming will be intensified.
In practice keeping global temperatures from rising by less than 2C is now beyond us.
In short, we are already past the point that locks in 2C of warming, and will without question go well beyond it.
Even a 3C rise is looking very hard to avoid.

As usual, the reality is different.
Reality – 0.75 C warming over the last 100 years

And yes, they even did propose the suspension of democracy.

Very few people, even among environmentalists, have truly faced up to what the science is telling us.
This is because the implications of 3C, let alone 4C or 5C, are so horrible that we look to any possible scenario to head it off, including the canvassing of “emergency” responses such as the suspension of democratic processes.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/sunday-mail/hidden-doom-of-climate-change/story-e6frep2o-1111114372364
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April 28, 2012 8:33pm
Luc Hansen

It’s not a proposal, Andy, it’s a projection. If we get to that level of interference with our climate, I can’t see how civilized society will continue to function. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

But, again, you are misinterpreting scientific data. I posted this earlier today:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/04/evaluating-a-1981-temperature-projection/

Go to the second graph and you will see how the reality is scarily aligned with the theory.

And then there is this:

http://localsteps.org/howbad.html

How bad can it be? Click on the link and see. This is the future we are bequeathing future generations, including our own children and grandchildren – if someone as little emotional intelligence as yourself actually cares about that.

For you, see my post just above – how rich are you, Andy? Are you rich enough to justify your lack of morality?
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April 28, 2012 9:06pm
nasska

If any of you are not convinced that climate change is real and your fault, allow me to persuade you. Repeat after me; “You are getting warmer. It is your fault. Your feet are getting wet and sea levels are rising to your knees. You are getting sleepy. You are getting stupid. You are now a believer. Fear the unknown.“
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April 28, 2012 9:09pm
Luc Hansen

Indeed, nasska, the defensive posture for perceived guilt is a strong driver of denialism.

You need to get over it. The present and future damage was unintentional, well, until recently, but as we carry on polluting the atmosphere and our oceans, the guilt factor will only get worse. Sadly, human nature being what it is, that will only increase resistance to the necessary corrective actions.

You are a classic guilt-driven denier, nasska. Acknowledge the fact of that, and start using your brain.
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April 28, 2012 9:14pm
nasska

I’ll have whatever Luc is smoking.
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April 28, 2012 9:18pm
Luc Hansen

Sorry to disappoint you, nasska, but I gave up all that crap over thirty years ago.

But you are welcome to share my Morton Estate Voignier. 😉
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April 28, 2012 9:29pm
Griff

Damm
Had a nice little piece all written
even had some punctuation init
Directed at other Andy’s Re wright of some random newspaper article.
Then the nett goes to sleep
so I had a marmite on toast
Dont need drugs when U have the alties to laugh at
doctor doctor, other a and the rest
Funny as a nun at erotica 😆
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April 28, 2012 11:29pm
krazykiwi

Luc Hansen 5:56 – So you’re saying that because someone was postulating about CO2’s impact on temperature back in 1970, that there was no ‘Global Cooling’ paraoia in that decade? Wow. Blinding logic.

The alarmist industry needs foot soldiers like you Luc. Those with any perspective (ie not on the CAWG payroll somewhere) are waking up to the scale of this scam and are deserting en masse.

Think rats. Ships. Jumping.

But you stay true Luc. We need someone deserving of mockery.
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April 28, 2012 11:38pm
krazykiwi

O_A 8:13 – That 19-Aug griff-rant was a winner. Truly outstanding! Well done on re-posting 🙂
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April 28, 2012 11:40pm
Griff

KK
Hows God Today?
Are you an in six days approx 6000 years ago ID altie?
Or the cop out with weeellll gods days are different .
Sorta hard laughing at real live fundy Christians
Still they can always tell god all about it
😆

Great to see you are more interested in popular opinion than the actual truth.
sorta makes a little joke over your political motivation behind the denial
and you must admit your politics are right wing conservative
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April 29, 2012 12:02am
Fletch

It would have been easy to supply a link. I did a search on the title and all I came up with was right wing blogs and fox news regurgitating strauss’ piece. Might be me, but I could not find that website. Even if it was taken offline, it would have been cached somewhere.

eszett, the site and article are are here – http://www.keepinggophonest.com/behind-the-curtain-a-brief-history-of-romneys-donors

And who is connected with the “keeping GOP Honest” site?

President Obama’s campaign launched a new effort today to refute Republican attacks on the Democratic president, using both technology and grassroots supporters.

The Obama campaign created the “Truth Team,” with a presence in 13 key states, and set a goal of reaching two million supporters.

The digital part of the organization includes three separate websites: Attack Watch addresses attacks that Republicans have made against Obama; Keeping GOP Honest attacks Republican proposals; and Keeping His Word discusses the president’s record. So far, the first two sites are mostly dedicated to criticizing former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney’s proposals, and rebutting Romney’s attacks on Obama.

http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2012/02/barack-obama-creates-truth-team-refute-gop-attacks/v623KBtjGoKDvVt0NunvCK/index.html

Next question?
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April 29, 2012 1:22am
Fletch

Oh, and check the bottom of the site –

PAID FOR BY OBAMA FOR AMERICA
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April 29, 2012 1:30am
krazykiwi

oh griff where to start with that.

hmmmmm, on reflection it’s just not worth it.

back to your marmite and crayons
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