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philu

twitchy-jim seems a bit..well..twitchy..

..(psst..!..he’s shouting..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 4:42pm
bereal

Gidday Griff,

i know your Dad was selling early computers at one stage in his career.
Just FYI
In the very early 70s i was on my OE and got my start selling adding machines and typewriters
in London for British Olivetti.
My territory was EC3 and the selling point for the adding machines was that our machines had a paper print out and
therefore one could check their input if things did not balance. ( i sold a poultice of them)
Sorry to hear about your Mum.
Course i would never have made that crack if i had known.
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April 26, 2012 4:49pm
Leaping Jimmy

So here’s a distraction.

M O N S A N T O

78 90 84 114 6 84 120 90 = 666

A=6, B=12, C=18, D=24, E=30, F=36, G= 42, H=48, I=54, J=60, K=66, L=72, M=78, N=84,

O=90, P=96, Q=102, R=108, S=114, T=120, U=126, V=132, W=138, X=144, Y=150, Z=156

Isn’t that an interesting coincidence? What are the odds of that happening by pure chance? Where’s Falafulu Fisi?
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April 26, 2012 4:50pm
Put it away

Phool, how much longer is your “startup” going to take to, you know, start? Ten years of zero progress and flatlining on every possible measure, is not starting jack shit.
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April 26, 2012 4:54pm
Ryan Sproull

Wellington power outage has frozen all Auckland trains.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/1252239226-Trains-stopped-across-Auckland
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April 26, 2012 5:04pm
Griff

Cut back on the angry juice dude 🙂
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April 26, 2012 5:31pm
bhudson

LJ,

If A had been 1 instead of a (contrived) 6, it would have been a mere incidence.
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April 26, 2012 5:33pm
Yvette

Monsanto
That someone has worked this out hints they may have more than the usual the amount of Devil’s time on their hands
[hands which may have six fingers?]
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April 26, 2012 5:38pm
Leaping Jimmy

That’s right bhudson, it wasn’t fair. Poor Monsanto, all it wants to do is control [all?] the GMO’s and hence the food chain, and what pray tell could possibli be wrong with that?

After all those terminator seeds it already has shows how very much it cares for us, don’t they? (Provided we’re not 3rd world farmers, of course…)
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April 26, 2012 5:38pm
Leaping Jimmy

Ryan it’s about time Wgtn gave the fingers to Akld and showed them how mighty we really truly are, what with our total control over the single Cook Strait cable.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Take that, fucking jafa’s.

Yes!

(We’re fine down here BTW, everything’s OK, for us.

Just imagine if you guys had the loop operating. What Kaos. Captain Kaos. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.)
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April 26, 2012 5:45pm
bhudson

LJ,

Never fear. Those zebras are out there. You just have to keep looking!
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April 26, 2012 5:46pm
Leaping Jimmy

Yes what do you mean by those bhudson, I’m very curious, seriously.
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April 26, 2012 5:52pm
Griff

Wellington city of politicians seems a bit like a city of hairdressers to me.Maybe we will get lucky and the next big shake will see the sorry place slip gracefully under the ocean
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April 26, 2012 5:52pm
thedavincimode

..and has launched baseless maggot-attacks on my son..

More self-delusioin from the resident bludging flea. Nobody is critical of your son nor does anyone attack him. In fact, I expect that there is more likely to be a groundswell of sympathy for him for having a useless indolent and lying bludger for a father.

The reality maggie, is that you choose to interpret the quite justified criticism of you for shamelessly using him as a meal ticket and an excuse to sit on your lazy arse and bludge off the taxpaying community, including the solo parents who do make the effort to work, as an attack on him.

It isn’t actually the boy’s fault that even at age 16, his father pursues his lifetime exercise in futility and pointlessness on the pretext that he needs to be at home when his adolescent son arrives home from school. On the contrary, your feeble justification for remaining on the bludge is an implicit declaration that you don’t actually trust him to be home alone. You’re the one who is insulting the boy. But we are all still waiting to find out how you can be in the library using the internet and home to welcome him all at the same time.
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April 26, 2012 5:56pm
thedavincimode

..and that i get up at 5.00 am every day to find 30-50 new stories/links for the news aggregation site/start-up i run..

..i could be a contender for the hardest-working sole-parent…

What an idiot.
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April 26, 2012 5:58pm
bhudson

LJ,

Put simply “looking for zebras” is looking for the unusual in the usual (generally in order to try to substantiate a belief you would like proven.)

One example, in medicine of all things, is that the hoofbeats you hear coming towards you are horses, not zebras – in other words, it is the obvious, not the unusual.

Of course, if the horses ever turn up wearing stripes, you can don the moral high ground…
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April 26, 2012 5:59pm
Put it away

I think it would be more interesting to calculate the odds that the type of nutbar who’s a truther is also likely to be the type of nutbar who would see significance in laughably trivial coincidences.
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April 26, 2012 6:00pm
wreck1080

I’ve decided John Key knows nothing about the foreign exchange rate.

This is what he says…

The former forex trader does not believe in direct intervention in the foreign exchange market.

“Never have and frankly never will. Dreaming you can somehow get the exchange rate down through intervention is la-la land stuff.”

I guarantee, if they dropped NZ interest rates to 0.5%, the kiwi dollar would be dropped like a rock by the various carry traders who buy our currency.
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April 26, 2012 6:06pm
Leaping Jimmy

Wellington city of politicians seems a bit like a city of hairdressers to me. Maybe we will get lucky and the next big shake will see the sorry place slip gracefully under the ocean

It does to me as well Griff but having been here for around 5 years I’ve realised the importance of having a city capable of doing proper hair, which I think is rather underestimated by Akld and others, until the capacity disappears and you all start to look really bad.

I mean just think about it if no-one had good looking hair: no more school dances or even dates, a major line in cosmetics simply disappeared, probably everyone would fail their next job interview, lots of car accidents due to vision issues, etc etc etc.

So yes on balance we are worth it, after all, aren’t we. (yay!)
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April 26, 2012 6:08pm
Leaping Jimmy

I think it would be more interesting to calculate the odds that the type of nutbar who’s a truther is also likely to be the type of nutbar who would see significance in laughably trivial coincidences.

Really? Personally, I think it would be interesting to calculate the odds that the type of industrial-grade-village-idiot who thinks 911 is all kosher is the type of moron who wouldn’t see any significance at all in the various issues pointed out in that post, the least of which was the 666 calculation. I mean what sort of drop-dead der brain missed the other shit? Talk about duh. Right PIA? You know what I’m saying? Of course you do. Don’t you?
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April 26, 2012 6:13pm
philu

so..banks got 15 grand from sky city during his mayoralty-campaign..

..and failed to declare who it was from..

..a crime punishable by two yrs in jail..

..the chief electoral officer is deciding whether to refer it to the police..

..and if found guilty..he will have to resign from parliament..?

..game on..!..eh..?

..and is there no end to the sleaze from the act-ites..?

..(banks was on the news..he is packing it..twisting/turning/flailing..

..it’s a delight to see..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 6:20pm
Put it away

Leaping-to-conclusions-jimmy, I’ve noticed that the retardedness of the things you say correlates quite well with the number of times you ask for confirmation. Don’t you? Yes you do. Of course you do. Right? You with me there? I’m right arent’ I? Yes of course I am. But you knew that. Because I’m right. Aren’t I? Yes I am…

Almost like you’re trying to convince yourself of something you know is pure horse shit.
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April 26, 2012 6:23pm
Fletch

Wow, now this is interesting.

A writer has gone into the background of Obama and his ‘father’, and reckons that Barrack Obama (the POTUS) may actually be the son of Frank Marshall Davis, political activist and Communist.

The two look very much alike.
Seven nude photos of BO’s mother Ann Dunham were discovered at Davis’ house. Apparently, he liked taking pictures of nude women.

“I decided to investigate Frank Marshall Davis. His close physical resemblance to Obama was shocking, while Obama little resembled the Kenyan Obama,” Gilbert said. “How could this be?”

Gilbert launched into what became two years of research during which he conducted interviews and discovered rare film footage and photos.

“I unearthed two film archives of Frank Marshall Davis, one from 1973, the other from 1987, as well as Davis’ photo collection,” he explained. “I then acquired 500 copies of the Honolulu Record, the communist-run newspaper where Davis wrote a weekly political column for eight years.”

Gilbert’s research turned shocking when he obtained seven indecent photos of Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, at Frank Marshall Davis’ house, suggesting an intimate connection between Dunham and Davis.

“I was not happy to include these racy photos in the film but found it necessary to substantiate the intimate relationship between the two,” he said. “Those photos ended up in a men’s mail-order catalog of nude women, likely sold to them by Davis. I placed black bars on parts of the photos to be respectful.”

To establish the foundation for the photos, Gilbert documented that Davis was one of the founders of a photography club in Chicago, known as the “Lens Camera Club,” and that he specialized in nude photographs.

Later in life, Davis also penned a scurrilous, autobiographical sex novel, titled “Sex Rebel: Black,” in which he detailed an illicit sexual relationship with an underage woman named “Anne.” Gilbert believes the name was a thin disguise for Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham.

Gilbert reconstructs Obama’s autobiography, “Dreams from My Father,” and concludes that the tale of the goat-herding father from Kenya is a cover story, concocted to mask an inconvenient pregnancy.

The truth, Gilbert argues, is that Barack Obama II was born from the illicit sexual relationship that rebellious teenager Ann Dunham began with Davis after her parents forced her to move to Hawaii.

MORE – http://bit.ly/InBFZZ

A film is being made of this, to be released this Summer (in the U.S).
Youtube clip here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrrnkKmUzo

Maybe this is why Obama has sealed all his birth records/school records/voting records etc etc…
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April 26, 2012 6:24pm
philu

fletch’s source/evidence is a rapture-site..(heh..!..)

“…The End-Time is Here-2008 was God’s last warning. 2012 is economic collapse & WW III http://www.the-end.com..”

see what i mean.?

..woof..!..woof..!..barking..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 6:32pm
philu

honesty in mainstream-media..

nz herald to become a tabloid by the end of the year…

..(i thought it already was..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 6:35pm
Viking2

This Weeks Biggest Joke.
Trevor Mallard accusing John Banks of not being transparent. FFS

Labour has lodged a complaint over what it says is a false declaration made my then Auckland mayoral candidate John Banks.

Shadow Leader of the House Trevor Mallard said Mayor Len Brown had declared a donation of $15,000 from Sky City among his total campaign donations.

The casino said it donated the same amount to Mr Banks.

But Mr Mallard says it is not in his electoral return.

” Transparency around election donations is a major protection against corruption in the New Zealand political system,” he said.

And so, Labour has lodged a complaint with Auckland Council’s electoral officer Bruce Thomas.

” I would hope that he now refers the matter to police for further investigation.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6812996/Labour-lays-complaint-against-Banks
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April 26, 2012 6:39pm
Viking2

Note toJohn Key.
Want to fuck up Len and Auckland.
Pull the fucking plug on the pricks.
hahaha

Ryan Sproull (4,792) Says:
April 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

Wellington power outage has frozen all Auckland trains.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/1252239226-Trains-stopped-across-Auckland

hahahaha. I’m still laughing.
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April 26, 2012 6:41pm
Fletch

philu, what are you talking about? Not making sense now….
Has nothing to do with a rapture or anything else.

Check out this link for more info on the film – http://www.obamasrealfather.com/
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April 26, 2012 6:41pm
Leaping Jimmy

phil, you’re a person who hallucinates he can discern the inner character of people like Key and Joyce by some passing comment they once made about being keen on Rand and Grisham.

And you think this “knowledge” gives you “special” insights therefore into precisely how those two people interpret every single nuance of politics and indeed, life itself.

If that’s not “barking” then WTF is, phil?
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April 26, 2012 6:42pm
philu

i think fletch is seriously preparing for that walk up the hill..

..is that so fletch..?

..expecting the big fella to drop by soon..?

..(packed clean underpants for yr trip..?..

..expecting celestial choirs/soundtrack..)

..whoar..!..eh..?

..you must be excited..

(and the gays all go straight to hell..eh..?..)

..woof..!..woof..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 6:43pm
Put it away

phool, you do realise that accusation against Banks comes from Mallard, which makes the odds of it being true very low.
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April 26, 2012 6:43pm
Fletch

The truth about Barry (whatever it is) is going to come out sooner or later.
Can’t be kept quiet forever. Who knows if the above is true, but it makes some kind of sense.
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April 26, 2012 6:48pm
bereal

hey Griff
just so we both have it clear.
You referring to me re the, ‘ angry juice’ ?
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April 26, 2012 6:48pm
philu

twitchy-jim..rand is the significant one..

..grisham is just an example of low-culture..

..(make of that what you will..)

..are you expecting the big fella soon too..there..twitchy-jim/reid..?

..packed yr clean underpants..?

..cut back on the masturbation..?..

(it’s a sin..didn’tyaknow..?..black marks in the ledger..and all that…)

..do you carry a rapture-pack around with you at all times..?

..what’s in it..?

..do tell..!

..inquiring minds want to know..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 6:50pm
philu

“..which makes the odds of it being true very low…”

tell that to the chief electoral officer..eh..?

..and ‘true’..?..

..the facts aren’t in dispute..

..banks got the 15 grand..and made a false declaration about the source…

..’ten bucks each way’-brown also got 15 grand…he honestly declared it..

..what is being decided..is whether banks will face criminal charges…

..what is not ‘true’ about all that..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 6:53pm
Griff

No offense intended bereal
Yes sometimes you come across as some wot negative 🙂
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April 26, 2012 6:55pm
bereal

i may as well use up my last few demerit points by asking Yvette,
what the fuck hapened to your sense of humour ?

Are you just as sad as Pete George ?

Get a life baby.
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April 26, 2012 6:55pm
mikenmild

The only people who can make sense of demented ravings about Barack Obama’s parentage would be people who hate him already and are desperate to believe anything (supposedly) bad about him.
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April 26, 2012 6:58pm
philu

“.. Who knows if the above is true, but it makes some kind of sense….”

is that the thinking/reasoning also behind yr ‘faith’..?

..are you just trying to ‘..make some kind of sense’ of it all…?

..aww..!!..eh..?

..aren’t we all fletch..aren’t we all..?

..but really….’the rapture’..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 6:58pm
mikenmild

I’d be sad if bereal copped a ban – he’s always good for a laugh.
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April 26, 2012 6:59pm
Griff

Can he really be as bad as Regan or Bush, Carter,Nixon, Kennedy?
He is leader of the free world after all
at least hes not started any new wars
Or sold the country to the richest bidder lately
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April 26, 2012 7:04pm
bereal

OK Griff, no offence taken.
i’ve got a thick skin.
Water off, and all that jazz.

i apologise for offence i have given in the past, and.
Lets u n me start out from scratch.
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April 26, 2012 7:05pm
Leaping Jimmy

thanks bhudson, appreciate that zebra explanation.

Can I make the observation that one would need to be naive or stupid to mistake zebras for horses, and (IMO) I am neither. Although I recognise that you don’t know me from Adam so how would you know? But if in future I say something that strikes you as outlandish, rest assured, if you merely ask me why it is that I said what I said, I will give you a hundred pages of material for you to consider. This might be material which leaps immediately into stuff which you’ve never heard of before and so might not be stuff which you immediately take to, but I assure you, it won’t be a horsey/zebra.

twitchy-jim..rand is the significant one..

..grisham is just an example of low-culture..

..(make of that what you will..)

Duh, really phil? Rully? R U sure? I always thght Grisham wuz brunier cus he were a lewyer – hur hur. FFS phil, get with the program pal. Seriously. No, seriously. Yes, I do know Rand.

I’m not sure you know anything at all. I’m happy to be proved wrong, but until you stop acting like a Sue Bradford on valium (i.e. capable of suppressing her seething hatred for “the man,”) my jury is out for you phil. I know you HAVE the intelligence to be much more, but ARE YOU GOING TO, is my question or would you rather just be a Bradford fuckwit slime scum idiot moron fuckhead clone? And if you do want to be more than that then when the fuck are you going to start changing your
“2 legs good 4 legs bad” paradigm which is what you’ve been going on about every friken day for the last 2 weeks – (how long I’ve been observing you, during week days)?
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April 26, 2012 7:07pm
big bruv

Phool

How many minimum wage jobs did you apply for today?
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April 26, 2012 7:07pm
Fletch

mikenmild, ravings? Perhaps. But there are also facts: such as the seven nude, racy photos of Ann Dunham (Obama’s mother) in Davis’ possession, and likely taken by him and sold for “men’s catalogues”. (See some of them in the youtube video linked above). The two likely had a relationship. Is it possible for her to have given birth to Davis’ baby? Of course it is. Is it true? Who knows. But it is certainly a possibility.

Obama’s history is more chequered than a chess board.
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April 26, 2012 7:10pm
Griff

I take offense one day at a time
Its surprising that no two people agree on all things 😉

even milky gets things right once in a while
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April 26, 2012 7:12pm
mikenmild

Yeah sure Fletch – Barack Obama’s mum was a porn star. Ha ha. Even if it were true, so what? Would it make Obama less in any way?
Reminds me a bit of one of the resident nutters going on the other day about Aleister Crowley being the father of Barbara Bush.
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April 26, 2012 7:17pm
bereal

OK Griff.
i forgive you.
Aroha to all my brothers.

Just out of morbid interest.
Tell us one time you think mikenmild got it right ?
When, and about what ?
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April 26, 2012 7:18pm
Griff

One could perhaps look into the family of our titular head of state.
One does not have to look far, tampon anyone?dressed up in a Nazi uniform lately?
The regal Windsor line full of interesting types.
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April 26, 2012 7:22pm
Fletch

mikenmild, it would mean that the current POTUS is the son of a Communist activist that the F.B.I had under investigation or surveillance for 19 years, on whom they compiled a 600-page FBI file. He was on the FBI’s ‘Security Index A’, meaning he would be arrested in the event of national emergency.

Do you think that no one should be worried about that? It explains a lot about Obama’s policies as well; his socializing medical care etc. It’s all communist b/s.

I’m not saying I believe it is 100% true, but truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
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April 26, 2012 7:23pm
Griff

mikenmild (3,747) Says:
April 26th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
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April 26, 2012 7:23pm
philu

“..Aleister Crowley being the father of Barbara Bush…”

she looks like him..

..just saying..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 7:24pm
bereal

now you are starting to make a fool of yourself Griff. @ 7.22 a total tool.
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April 26, 2012 7:25pm
bereal

Coro on now.
Talk to youse later.
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April 26, 2012 7:29pm
philu

“..fuckwit slime scum idiot moron fuckhead clone?..”

crikey twitchy..!..you are twitchy tonite..aren’t you..?

..what’s happened to yr christian-spirit there..?

..lost down potty-mouth-lane is it..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 26, 2012 7:30pm
Steve

This is what happens to fools:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10801639&ref=rss

Quite sad really, should have sought expert advice
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April 26, 2012 7:39pm
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10801619
A two-time rapist has received an indefinite jail term for the attempted sexual violation of a teenage girl.

Justin Ames Johnston, 41, has been sentenced in the High Court at Wellington to preventive detention with a minimum non-parole period of six years.
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April 26, 2012 7:46pm
Leaping Jimmy

“..fuckwit slime scum idiot moron fuckhead clone?..”

crikey twitchy..!..you are twitchy tonite..aren’t you..?

No you missed out the operant, phil. Without the operant, it doesn’t mean anything, crikey, don’t you know anything?

The operant of course phil, duh, was “Bradford”

So it’s “”Bradford fuckwit slime etc etc” after which it all falls into place, doesn’t it.

Try not to be quite so thick next time, won’t you, phil.

Fucken d’oh.
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April 26, 2012 7:48pm
David Garrett

After a while, poking the phool becomes a bit like bear baiting …eh..?
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April 26, 2012 7:52pm
Put it away

Lol steve. TCH not being water soluble, he would’ve extracted almost everything but. Stoner logic.
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April 26, 2012 7:53pm
Nostalgia-NZ

bereal

You’ve always been sensible in the past, could you explain to the children how the much revered Bob Kerridge knows what people were thinking, and even knows what an elephant might be thinking, or what could be best for it.

Then could you move onto explain how an elephant would get a fright and crush, using it’s trunk, it’s keeper in a clearly monitored site, specially set up for the elephants welfare and rehab by a bunch experts that know what animals think or feel?

If you possibly decide to explain that, maybe you can then tell me what special considerations all these ‘experts’ on elephants, and naughty former ring masters, were given to the safety of the zoo keeper they keep saying was financially strapped?
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April 26, 2012 7:55pm
Griff

Best not to tell them wot to use It saves a few explosions with that sort of operator
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April 26, 2012 7:59pm
nasska

An interoffice softball game was held every year between the
marketing and support staff of one company. The support staff
whipped the marketing department soundly. To show just “how”
the marketing department earns their keep, they posted this
memo on the bulletin board after the game:

“The Marketing Department is pleased to announce that for the
Softball Season, we came in second place, having lost
but one game all year. The Support Department, however, had
a rather dismal season, as they won only one game.”
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April 26, 2012 8:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

PIA.
I have no idea about this water soluble theory, that’s why I mentioned expert advice.
You are an expert? or maybe someone else is? Someone told Kevin Michael Penrose what to do 🙂
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April 26, 2012 8:01pm
heathcote

Leaping Jimmy

re Monsanto

You can’t add up. Using your code the total is 660, not 666.

Blows that theory out of the water, eh.
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April 26, 2012 8:01pm
Viking2

big bruv (10,099) Says:
April 26th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

Phool

How many minimum wage jobs did you apply for today?

I see the charming smiley no longer Ms Bennett on telly onight explaining how they are getting closer to Phil.
Better get the tin hat phil they are coming to get ya. Of course the problem then becomes what are you employable at? who woul;d hire you other than the Govmt?

Conundrum really isn’t it.
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April 26, 2012 8:05pm
Leaping Jimmy

Sorry heathcote, pray tell:

78 90 84 114 6 84 120 90 = 666

does it not?

??

anyway, off to watch some vids, toodle pip old boy
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April 26, 2012 8:10pm
Pauleastbay

Thank christ you turned up nasska , you make some sense at 8.00pm

Just reading the thread it actually started out pretty good today and then vto got me scared how salmon farms are going to take over the entire ocean … no more sea space @ 10.39…. oh dear.

Yep ,the world is going to want that much salmon the salmon farmers are going to use all the ocean on the planet..aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you bastards
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April 26, 2012 8:21pm
mikenmild

Actually, PEB, there are some issues with salmon farming. Potentially, farmed salmon could end up consuming the majority of wild fish caught – you catch and grind up quite a few fish to feed a salmon.
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April 26, 2012 8:26pm
nasska

While enjoying a drink with his mate one night,Ryan decides to try his luck with an attractive lady sitting by the bar.She lets him join her for a drink and to his surprise asks him to accompany him home.They spend the night hard at it.Finally they finish;Ryan rolls off,pulls out a cigarette and looks for his lighter.
He asks his new love if she has a light.
“There might be some matches in the top drawer”,she replies.
Opening the drawer he finds some matches on top of a framed photo of another man.Naturally he begins to worry.
“Is this your husband?” he enquires nervously.
“No,silly” she replies.
“Your boyfriend then?”
“No”,she replies,snuggling up to him.
“Who is he then?”
“Thats me,before the operation!”
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April 26, 2012 8:32pm
Pauleastbay

Actually, they have it down to about 50% fish meal and oil now and this will continue to drop.
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April 26, 2012 8:37pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ryan is probably wise to the tricks of Liarbor by now – whoever Ryan is
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April 26, 2012 8:40pm
nasska

Pauleastbay

It’s amazing where much of the protein used to feed desirable species of fish/animals originates. Stockfood & chook feed
can be made from vegetable sources, fish meal, meat meal or a mixture. Only thing that concerns me is that “mad cow disease” had its origins in artificial food.

There was talk at some stage of reprocessing chicken shit to reuse the wasted protein but I don’t know whether it made the light of day. If we knew exactly what went into some of our food losing weight would be easier.
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April 26, 2012 8:52pm
Griff

Fish farms have a far greater impact than just on the area they contain feed large amounts of food to maximize growth plus add in all the fish shit it gets unhealthy for a far larger area.and you can end up with a black toxic ooze bottom
Fish farms have a preference to a degree of shelter this often up sets boaties as they lose anchoring and cruising ground
Poor genetic selection could harm local stock but they are introduced.
As to the number of jobs, seems a lot sounds like marketing to me.

had to happen since they stopped the moratorium on marine farm applications
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April 26, 2012 9:08pm
Pauleastbay

What really gets me is that immediately someone mentions anything in New Zealand that MAY lead to some jobs , may lead to some developement , there is an immediate negativity from 6 self interested persons and the world has to come to an end– cant do this cant do that, – its bloody pathetic.

Mankind put men on the moon 40 years ago, they will be able to over come some fish shit.

And yep nasska you dont want to go down the recycling chickenshit way at all, but there’ll be proteins developed out there that are suitable for feed, thye just wont be economic at the moment but they will be.

Locally we are hoping and hopeful we will have a huge mussel operation off the coast of Opotiki,, they have trialed mussels, sea cucumber and scallops, so even if we had to farm seafood for other sea farminng operations , everything is doable, its just we are such a bunch of self interested whingers, pisses moi off big time
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April 26, 2012 9:19pm
nasska

Griff

The chance of something going wrong, disease wise, with the fish in such constant ,close confines must be higher than in the wild. There would be some jobs created…..I know a couple of guys who work about six months of each year servicing & harvesting mussel farms in the Sounds.

Reasonably well paid too.
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April 26, 2012 9:25pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Griff
9.08

‘and you can end up with a black toxic ooze bottom’

How unfortunate for you.
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April 26, 2012 9:28pm
Yvette

so..banks got 15 grand from sky city during his mayoralty-campaign..
..and failed to declare who it was from..
..a crime punishable by two yrs in jail..
..the chief electoral officer is deciding whether to refer it to the police..
..and if found guilty..he will have to resign from parliament..?
..game on..!..eh..?
..and is there no end to the sleaze from the act-ites..?
..(banks was on the news..he is packing it..twisting/turning/flailing..
..it’s a delight to see..

Who said the other day Penny might be the person for Phil ..eh?…
[see, Phil, how much space is saved by not double-lining yr krap]
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April 26, 2012 9:29pm
nasska

Pauleastbay

If anything comes up that might grow the NZ economy either the nimbys or the Greens will stuff it. That said, proposals like these have to be well researched to ensure that risks are kept to a minimum……hopefully science stays a few steps ahead.

I dare say that it has been considered & thrown out as not economic but the Chinese farm fish in ponds feeding them naturally with insects. Apparently an hour or two of bright lights over the ponds during the evening attracts sufficient insect life not to require any other feeding.

As any outdoor BBQ will show there’s not a great shortage of mozzies & moths in our night air.
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April 26, 2012 9:34pm
Leaping Jimmy

Isn’t it interesting, that this is just what has happened. An analysis of why psyops failed in Vietnam and so naturally, won’t fail in Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zfrdwh1QY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/MindWar.pdf

If you can’t understand the physics (which are easily researched BTW) I suggest you merely look at the effects in society – past and present.
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April 26, 2012 10:11pm
vto

Hey Pauleastbay and naaska…

Just seen your angry posts. You clearly did not read what I wrote as your posts refer to issues I did not raise.

I would be interested to hear your answer to the question I put, namely, how will the sea farming industry achieve growth when all the sea space has been taken and how will the dairy industry achieve growth when all the water has been taken.

It is quite a simple question.

Feel free to go off topic and make all sorts of mad assumptions and conspiracies as you have done, but it would good to hear your genuine answer to the simple question. You will need to think for a bit though. I’ll have a look in the morning. Perhaps you should sleep on it.

edit: I would also like to know why you got so angry at such a simple question.
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April 26, 2012 10:13pm
vto

Look, I’ve copied it again for you to keep things easy. Good night.

“I see King Salmon in the Marlborough Sounds are complaining about the uncertainty around their plans for growth.

Reading their poor-me musings it was clear that their sole focus is growth. And it is this that is unsustainable. Just like irrigation for dairy growth. The sole aim is growth growth growth and the only way they go about achieving it is by simple extraction from the environment – taking more and more water and more and more sea space. No cleverness about it.

Has it not occurred to either the dairy industry or the sea farming industry that this is finite? That their business aims are completely and utterly unsustainable (i.e. bloody useless)? What will King Salmon do for growth when there is no more space becauee it has all been taken? What will the dairy industry do for growth when there is no more water because it has all been taken?

In my opinion this is an entirely legitimate question, and in fact a fundamental question. I see not a single person answer it.”
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April 26, 2012 10:17pm
Leaping Jimmy

Aposite since we’ve just had someone die from too many cokes…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRLLiofkoMY&feature=fvwrel
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April 26, 2012 10:28pm
Griff

“sole focus is growth”
They like to make a profit,more farming more profit
more money for a value added export
more jobs
pay for all those x boxes and fancy gas cookers 4 hwmbo
luddite
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April 26, 2012 10:29pm
Leaping Jimmy

Some of RAND’s clients include:
American Telephone and Telegraph Company (AT&T)
Chase Manhattan Bank
International Business Machines (IBM)
National Science Foundation
Republican Party
TRW
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Department of Health
U.S. Department of Energy

There are literally THOUSANDS of highly important companies, government institutions and organizations that make use of RANDS’s services. To list them all would be impossible. Among RAND’s specialities is a study group that predicts the timing and the direction of a thermonuclear war, plus working out the many scenarios based upon its findings. RAND was once accused of being commisioned by the USSR to work out terms of surrender of the United States Government, an accusation that went all the way to the United States Senate, where it was taken up by Senator Symington and subsquently fell victim to scorn poured out by the establishment press.

That’s right, but you won’t look at a single one, will you, for that would be just fucking nuts, would it not. You. Poor. Bastards.
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April 26, 2012 10:40pm
Other_Andy

@tvo

“In my opinion this is an entirely legitimate question, and in fact a fundamental question. I see not a single person answer it.”

This problem scenario of growth and the unsustainability of unlimited growth has been around for as long as humans have been around.
People fall into the trap time and time again.
Paul R. Ehrlich fell into that trap when he wrote the ‘The Population Bomb’ in 1968.
Certain things are unsustainable if the circumstances don’t change and we keep on doing things the same way we’ve always been doing them without taking into account human ingenuity and the advances of technology.

Read The Great Horse-Manure Crisis of 1894

The larger and richer that cities became, the more horses they needed to function. The more horses, the more manure. Writing in the Times of London in 1894, one writer estimated that in 50 years every street in London would be buried under nine feet of manure. Moreover, all these horses had to be stabled, which used up ever-larger areas of increasingly valuable land. And as the number of horses grew, ever-more land had to be devoted to producing hay to feed them (rather than producing food for people), and this had to be brought into cities and distributed—by horse-drawn vehicles. It seemed that urban civilization was doomed.

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/our-economic-past-the-great-horse-manure-crisis-of-1894/
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April 26, 2012 10:44pm
bereal

One thing you can conjure with.

What sort of a life can you have if you have no sense of humour ?
Kinda like the sort of cross of a life sumwun like say, ‘Yvette’ must have to live.

Sad.

tres sad.
(tres, as in ‘ Les Misrables ‘ by Victor Hugo.)
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April 26, 2012 10:55pm
thedavincimode

facts are scary things..aren’t they maggie..?

..real pesky how they can puncture bullshit balloons..eh..?

..those facts..
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April 27, 2012 5:37am
Viking2

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10801751
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April 27, 2012 7:11am
Nostalgia-NZ

Amazing that the first post of the day is to phil. He must keep people awake at night. Soon the hordes will descend demanding answers of him and pointing out details of his apparent life of which they don’t approve. Some perfect person even demanded that phil apologise the other day, in which case the perfect person said he would leave him alone. Odd how some people think they own others, or that others owe them something. It’s safe ground when a ‘crew’ can single out an individual, so safe that the crew or mob don’t realise that their ‘courage’ is mass produced only when their target appears to have no defence.

My suggestion is engage with Phil if you like, in the same manner you’d wish to be engaged. Afford him respect and don’t deign to have the right to post about his family, otherwise just walk on by as the song goes – particularly if he annoys you and you feel you just have to say something, get in the last word, like it’s a domestic argument of some sort. It’s all getting a little odd folks.
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April 27, 2012 7:13am
thedavincimode

Thanks Nostalgia.

I certainly appreciate you taking time out of your day to offer your paternalistic and patronising advice and it would be remiss of me to not express my appreciation of your approval for me to engage with the bludging lying little leech as I like.

It’s always gratifying to see people take the time and trouble to mind someone else’s business when it would be too easy to simply scroll past comments with a shake of the head.
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April 27, 2012 7:40am
nasska

vto

I obviously can’t answer for ‘Pauleastbay’ but I would hardly put my comment in the ‘angry’ bin. Rather, I would describe it as dealing with the sense of frustration I get when every idea that may improve our woeful unemployment statistics gets ambushed.

You are concerned with 1) a lack of water for more dairy farms & 2) finite room for fish farming. While I agree that neither resource is entirely limitless I reckon we’re quite a way from crisis point in either instance. On a planet of seven billion people innovative ways to produce food, specifically protein in the case of NZ, is vital if we are to avoid war & social unrest caused by hunger that need not exist.

Let’s face it……NZ doesn’t do very much super well except grow food & educate our citizens to a point where they move overseas for greater opportunities. Our would be “green” masters actively oppose every initiative that would grow our economy to a point where we didn’t have to sell our farmland to pay for the junk in $2 shops. Mining, oil, dairying can provide jobs & prosperity. There’s plenty of room to set conditions about how they impact on the environment but all we hear are screams of ban this, ban that & think of Gaia.

I don’t want to see my country strip mined & wrecked by unfettered development but I’ll continue to oppose Luddite policies that would see us return to medieval standards of living.
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April 27, 2012 7:42am
graham

Well Nostalgia, I don’t run this blog and I’m not going to tell others how to act on it – not my job.

For myself personally, I now realise that attempting to engage with philu is a waste of time. You know how you watch some people and you wait for them to mature, to grow up, to take responsibility, take their place in society, and pass into adulthood? And you know how some of them just never do?

I wouldn’t even say he’s stuck in a perpetual teenage phase, because talking to my daughter’s teenage friends is far more rewarding than talking to philu. I said goodbye a day or so ago – meaning I’m not going to bother even trying to have an intelligent conversation with him any more. It’s a waste of time.
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April 27, 2012 7:53am
vto

Thanks naaska. I understand all those things. To me however it seems like both the dairy industry and the sea farming industry are hurtling along the exact same path that we had with kauri milling and the seal skin trade for example. Now we can argue all day about the detail around that, but that is what I see in the eyes of King Salmon and dairy operators – it is in fact a form of outright greed with little care for future generations. Surely I don’t have to describe the state of rivers and creeks in virtually every farming region. It hasn’t stopped. (but I don’t want to get into an argument about this)

My truly main point is the one I made a little after that – which was that at some point these industries will simplynot be able to grow in this manner (taking direcrtly from the environment) and they will have to think outside the square for growth. My suggestion is that this thinking be applied now and the environment-taking be stopped. It has to be done anyway so why not do it now and save what’s left of, in this example, the waterways and the Marlborough Sounds?? ?? Save what’s left of our stunning environment for our children and think of other ways to grow. It has to be done anyway so lets do it now and stop being lazy pricks.

To all those other people who have jumped up and down and accused me of being a luddite etc – try posting something worth reading. In fact, if you think about it, it is you who are the luddites as you stick vehemently to the ways of the kauri milling past – think ahead and in new ways you luddites.
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April 27, 2012 8:11am
philu

what i find somewhat interesting/unusual..

..is that one of keys’ inner-circle of ‘advisers’..(..i.e..(not) da vinci)…

..gets up pre-6.00 am this morning..

..and first priority is to lodge a personal sneer at me on kiwiblog..(!)

..does anyone else find that kinda strange..?

..(shouldn’t he/she have key-advising priorities..?)

..and it will be fascinating when the troll-i.d-app arrives..

..and we find out who he/she is..eh..?..

..and..are you dreaming about me also..darling..?

..what a strange little maggot you are…eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 27, 2012 8:12am
Nostalgia-NZ

thedavincimode

Go right on ahead, enjoy yourself.

graham

I don’t know how accurate your assessment is of philu but you deal with it with an even hand. If his are challenging views at times, that’s something like life.
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April 27, 2012 8:40am
thedavincimode

There’s nothing unusual about getting up before 6.00am maggie.

That is not “early” by the standards of the workforce; but of course you wouldn’t know that. In fact, there nothing unusual in getting up at 5.30 am or even earlier. People do that in order to go to work. And indeed, the magical hour of 5.30am at which time you assert that you arise from your stupor, coincides with a time that many people are just getting home from work.

So tell me, after getting up at 5.30am, how long do you have to wait outside the library to start working harder than any other solo parent; or perhaps even, anyone else on the planet?

BTW, its always amusing to see you disappear after a point blank and indisputable rebuttle of your facile attempts to play the “don’t pick on my boy” card. As you said yourself: “those facts are scary things …”
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April 27, 2012 9:25am
graham

Nostalgia-NZ: His views may be challenging at times, but that’s nothing special – my daughter had challenging views at the age of 10. But I could have a reasoned debate with her, even then. As thedavincimode has just pointed out, philu tends to just disappear, change tack, or ignore anything he doesn’t like.

Anyway … I’m done wasting my time and energy on him. And that includes wasting time and energy even talking about him. Goodbye to that conversation as well.
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