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General Debate 25 April 2012

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Viking2

Conoco plays down plans to expand Gladstone LNG

by: Matt Chambers
From: The Australian
April 25, 2012 11:49AM

A SECOND oil major has toned down its Gladstone LNG expansion plans, with ConocoPhillips now saying it may not expand beyond two trains already expected to go ahead at the site.

Conoco, who with partner Origin has previously flagged a four-train project at their Australia Pacific LNG project, told US investors it was unsure if building a third train was the way to go.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/conoco-plays-down-plans-to-expand-gladstone-lng/story-e6frg9df-1226337898611
Too much oil being found to justify gas trains.
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April 25, 2012 6:01pm
philu

it was hardly an unqualified endorsement there..fletch..

..he said he like him as a person..but did not like his politics…nor what he did as president..

..as a ‘leftie’..that hasn’t ‘done my head in’..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 25, 2012 6:36pm
big bruv

How good it was to see our PM attend a dawn service today. Key understands that getting up early is the least he can do as the leader of the nation.

Once again Key shows himself to be far classier than the thing who was our PM before Key, she is the one who could not be bothered getting up early for Anzac day, she is the one who said she “did not do mornings”, she is the thing who showed no respect at all for our returned servicemen and fallen soldiers.
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April 25, 2012 6:38pm
Pete George

For anyone in Dunedin interested in a debate on euthanasia:

Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide: A Discussion We Need to Have

Date Thursday 26 April, 2012
Time 5.15 pm to 7.30 pm
Venue Colquhoun Lecture Theatre, Dunedin Public Hospital

Those speaking will be:
Professor Sean Davison (just completed his home detention for assisting the death of his mother)
Hon. Maryan Street (Labour MP based in Nelson and author of a new private member’s bill that would allow for some aspects of assisted suicide)
Professor Grant Gillett of the University of Otago’s Centre for Bioethics and a leading authority on end-of-life issues
John Kleinsman, Director of the Wellington-based Nathaniel Centre, the NZ Catholic Bioethics Centre.
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April 25, 2012 7:05pm
krazykiwi

Yes pete, debates like this need to be had. Not for the debate itself mind you. More for the record so that once euthanasia is institutionalised in our society, lawyers will have evidence to cite of ‘public debate’ while defending claims that granny was knocked off for her millions.
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April 25, 2012 7:10pm
mister nui

Viking2 said:

Too much oil being found to justify gas trains.

No, too much oil is not the reason, but too much cheap gas. See my post earlier at 12.11, with the huge amounts of shale gas being discovered and monetised across the world, the coal seam gas to LNG projects, such as the COP & Origin one at Gladstone, will not be profitable.

Gas is the future, there are massive fields being discovered on a monthly basis at the moment.
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April 25, 2012 7:24pm
krazykiwi

mister nui – agree. There’s still plenty of work to be done to extract, transport and sell shale gas… but it looks very promising for countries that have identified reserves (eg UK, Canada, USA, Mexico, South Africa and other). Access to energy drives the lifting of standards of living, it supports advances in medicine, quality of life, drives innovation and it builds futures. The more energy we have the better. Its a shame the Greens oppose anything that liberates energy.
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April 25, 2012 7:37pm
bereal

One thing you can take to the bank.

mikenmild was not an atendee at any Anzac Day ceremony this morning,

He was far too smart for that.
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April 25, 2012 7:37pm
mikenmild

Are you stalking me?
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April 25, 2012 7:47pm
bereal

wanker
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April 25, 2012 7:48pm
mikenmild

Must be time for your pills.
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April 25, 2012 8:00pm
krazykiwi

How long will it be before the Greens elevate their focus from the protection of Gaia’s Mother Earth, to the protection of the cosmos?

It can’t be long as there’s now a billionare-funded start-up company that’s planning to mine asteroids.
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April 25, 2012 8:17pm
cows4me

KK you should see the gas they burn around here. Both inland and out to sea. you can always tell when they are producing oil, the production ship out to sea looks like a great bonfire and it’s at least 50ks away. Peak oil, I don’t think so. Oil is not a fading resource, why is the price been so stable for the last few years 100- 120 barrel, there is heaps of the stuff.
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April 25, 2012 8:22pm
krazykiwi

C4M – what… like this. 🙂
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April 25, 2012 8:26pm
cows4me

Love it KK 🙂 . Looks like one of my girls. One shit on the boss the other morning , she wasn’t amused, I of course had to retire from the shed, God forbid she caught me smirking.
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April 25, 2012 8:35pm
krazykiwi

C4M, there’s no such thing as off-topic in a GD thread, so I can tell you that my earliest experience with cow shit was at tender age 10, sitting on an automated, electofied swing fence that ‘encouraged’ the girls into the milking shed… when said fence moved suddenly and I was delivered, face first into the fresheness that was a large pile of Mrs Cows’ first movements of the day. I can still taste that experience… it was, and remains grounding for a city slicker!
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April 25, 2012 8:44pm
Falafulu Fisi

Here is a nice hymn for our christian readers/commentators here. Although I’ve sang it vocally many times, I’ve only played this hymn twice in a church brass band in my younger years (Euphonium-E).

Title : And Can it be that i Should Gain (composed by Charles Wesley ~ year 1760)

First Verse :
And can it be that I should gain
an interest in the Savior’s blood!
Died he for me? who caused his pain!
For me? who him to death pursued?
Amazing love! How can it be
that thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
Amazing love! How can it be
that thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

Here is a great piano of this hymn by Kim Collingsworth. Beautiful.
And Can it be that i Should Gain

Here is another version from Friends of Jesus choir of Rwanda, singing it is Swahili language. Beautiful harmony.
And Can it be that i Should Gain

The following from Gaither. A slower version.
And Can it be that i Should Gain

Here is funky version sang by a Tongan Kava drinking group, which is hymn 608 in the Methodist/Wesleyan hymn book:
Ko au pe ko e ‘Alifa pea mo e ‘Omeka

I’m sure that this hymn is familiar to christian readers here. Its one of my favorite.
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April 25, 2012 9:38pm
krazykiwi

FF. Lovely. I know the hymn well. And the Tongan Kava Drinking group… where do i sign up 🙂
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April 25, 2012 9:46pm
Fletch

C4M – what… like this

kk, reminds me of this scene from the Aussie TV series Always Greener.

I remember I rolled on the floor laughing, and my dad (who is a farmer) was saying, “it’s not that funny”, which made me laugh all the more 😆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQeV1KnXCsc&feature=player_detailpage#t=366s
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April 25, 2012 10:12pm
mister nui

cows4me said:

….you can always tell when they are producing oil, the production ship out to sea looks like a great bonfire and it’s at least 50ks away……

Actually cows, it is the opposite. When the gas is being flared they are most likely not producing, or producing at a constrained flow rate, especially on offshore wells, as they use the gas for artificial lift of the oil. Usually if the gas is being flared, it means they have a problem with the gas lift/re-injection compressors and therefore cannot dispose of the gas, by way of re-injection or using it for artificial lift, hence they have to light the big candle.

But, you’re dead right, we have shit loads of oil and gas left and we’re finding loads more every day. We need to, as I earn a bunch of money from oil production that keeps me in the lifestyle I have become accustomed!

Drill baby drill. And fuck the greens.
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April 25, 2012 10:13pm
Viking2

Time Local bodies were given a boot up the arse.

NZ King Salmon operates seven salmon farms in the Marlborough Sounds, producing almost 9000 tonnes of salmon a year and employing 450 staff, mainly in Nelson.

“We’re doing everything that Government and business and quasi-government organisations are asking, in terms of taking what was a commodity product, branding it, following it all the way through to export markets,” Rosewarne said from Los Angeles.

“Having done all of that, if there’s no possibility of growth, and there’s no possibility of any return for doing that, it does put a serious question mark over the strategy, that all of us, business and Government, are pursuing.”

The company spent more than $6 million on its 2600-page EPA application, commissioning 40 experts to assess the impact of its proposal.

A report in the application from Auckland-based Market Economics says the expansion would support another 1600 jobs in the Nelson-Marlborough region, mainly in Marlborough, assuming a processing plant would be established in Picton.

Last week Marlborough District Council submitted that the entire NZ King Salmon application should be rejected. The submission said there had been a lack of consultation and there was no “certain economic benefit to Marlborough” from the proposal
Sustain Our Sounds, which is trying to derail the NZ King Salmon expansion, has said the claim is misleading because the Picton water supply could not sustain a new processing factory

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/6807178/Hostile-council-dismays-King-Salmon

No wonder our busienesses go away. Time this lazy Govt. fixed this shit forever. Delete the RMA. Quick where’s the delete button.
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April 26, 2012 6:53am
Viking2

About 34 per cent, or $910 million, of Kiwis’ online purchases are thought to have been made on overseas websites last year.
And that doesn’t include online downloading.

The Customs Service is training postal staff to screen incoming international mail for items liable for GST and duties, saying the move will free up its officers to spend more time detecting contraband.

No GST collected on most of this stuff.
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