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April 24, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 24 April 2012

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Leaping Jimmy

The comments on this are interesting, they show a degree of awareness you rarely see. The ranking is the tell, don’t bother with the low ranked ones – they don’t get it.

Kind of relevant too on the eve of the day upon which the nation recognises the human sacrifice of war…

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/something-wicked-this-way-comes_04122012

http://archive.org/details/LessonsOfHistory
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April 24, 2012 7:40pm
philu

you don’t ‘get it’..

all the revenue goes into the common account..

..there will be no private shareholders in those sin industries..

..do you understand now what ‘nationalising’ means..?

..argentina has told the oil companies to fuck off..and nationalised all their energy-industries..

..here we give our finite national resources away for a pathetically low royalty-rate…

..who has the better idea..?..d’yareckon..?

..all it will take is the political will/public support for this to happen…

..just carry on the way we are..?..that way lies madness/poverty…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 24, 2012 7:51pm
thedavincimode

Excellent.

My lazylyingleechinglifefailurehidebehindteenagesonandbludgeoffworkingsolomothersdrugaddictarmedrobberwhoseparents wouldcringewithembarassmentattheirfailure.apk app appears to be working a treat.
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April 24, 2012 7:58pm
nasska

A man decides to get away from it all and live in a remote place in the Scottish Highlands. After a month of isolation, he gets a knock on the door. A farmer is standing there, and says: “I’d like to invite you to a party I’m having,” the man says.

“Great, I’d love to go to a party.”

“I’ll warn you, there’ll be a lot of drinking,” says the farmer.

“That’s ok, I haven’t had a drink in ages” replies the man

“There might be a few fights, too” says the farmer.

“That’s ok, I can take care of myself,” replies the man.

“And in the early hours, it might get a bit frisky. There’ll be lots of sex,” says the farmer.

“Great,” says the man, “I haven’t had any female company in ages.”

The farmer replies, “oh, there’ll be no girls there. It’s just the two of us.”
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April 24, 2012 8:00pm
BlueGriffon

TDM, can I borrow your app. He’s now trying to sell communism to me.

Off to put my head in the gas oven run by the nationalised supplier.
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April 24, 2012 8:06pm
philu

it’s not ‘communism’…

..it’s holding onto what is ours…

..for our good..

..we keep those billions here..

..for us..

..that’s not ‘communism’..that’s common-sense..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 24, 2012 8:11pm
Johnboy

Surely the net effect of an outflow of the countries wealth on a turd who has always been a drain on the countries resources would in fact be an overall gain to everyone else.

Don’t two negatives equal a positive any more? 🙂
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April 24, 2012 8:16pm
Johnboy

“..it’s holding onto what is ours…”

Your landlords demand for the back rent you owe him, the I.O.U. from your dairy and the threat from the bro’s to break your knees if you don’t pay last weeks drug account are hardly assets to hold onto Magpie! 🙂
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April 24, 2012 8:20pm
nasska

thedavincimode

May I suggest that your ‘app’ be offered to the blogging community. A simple add on Trade Me could change your life.

I confidently predict that you would soon shove Croesus off the rich list.
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April 24, 2012 8:24pm
Leaping Jimmy

..that’s not ‘communism’..that’s common-sense..

So… phil, I know you’re not promoting any of the below, but unfortunately your general point is what unleashes the below, which has crept into other countries, who are further “progressed” than we are…

e.g. …you’d teach 10 year old girls that doing pole dances was a whole lot of fun?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002697/Little-Spinners-pole-dancing-classes-children-young-THREE.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_19288_8-weirdly-sexual-products-you-wont-believe-are-kids.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_19721_the-5-creepiest-progressive-parenting-fads.html

I mean that’s what Hulun and Lange both wanted to do and both made significant advances in so doing, to our detriment, whether or not they intended it to turn out like that (which I bet they did, incidentally).

Strip morality away, no holds bared, hasn’t it made our society just way way better? Once you rip off the covering, there is no going back, and that’s what we’ve now got thanks to “pwogwessive” thinking.

Nah, fuck this, time to wind it back, not forward. And treating kids not like sex objects should be considered to be “pwogwessive,” rather than the other way round.
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April 24, 2012 8:26pm
Yvette

Johnboy, I thought “.. holding onto what is ours…” was something else.

Here, further to your suggestion an evening or so ago that I was wanting to do lawyers out of a job, this is good –

A measure to abolish California’s death penalty qualified for the November ballot on Monday.

If it passes, the 725 California inmates now on Death Row will have their sentences converted to life in prison without the possibility of parole. It would also make life without parole the harshest penalty prosecutors can seek.

Backers of the measure say abolishing the death penalty will save the state millions of dollars through layoffs of prosecutors and defense attorneys who handle death penalty cases, as well as savings from not having to maintain the nation’s largest death row at San Quentin prison.

Those savings, supporters argue, can be used to help unsolved crimes. If the measure passes, $100 million in purported savings from abolishing the death penalty would be used over three years to investigate unsolved murders and rapes.
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April 24, 2012 8:32pm
Johnboy

725 rounds of 9mm Parabellum would save them a bloody sight more Yvette.
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April 24, 2012 8:35pm
Johnboy

Even if we threw in another 3000 rounds to sort the lawyers! 🙂
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April 24, 2012 8:37pm
philu

what the fuck have you been smoking there jumpy-jim..?

..how did you get there from nationalising the booze/tobacco/gambling industries…?

..and gee..i never knew that about lange..’pole-dancers’..?..y’say..?

seriously..!..what are you smoking..?

..and you use cracked magazine as yr research resource..?

..seriously..!..what are you smoking..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 24, 2012 8:39pm
philu

‘cracked’ magazine eh..?..i am laughing like a fucken drain here…

..that is brilliant..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 24, 2012 8:43pm
Leaping Jimmy

Lange commercialised porn Phil – before his reign, no explicit porn was available. Afterwards, it was one of the most liberal in the world. Think that’s a good thing, enervation-wise?

I was referring to this from you:

..there will be no private shareholders in those sin industries..

..do you understand now what ‘nationalising’ means..?

You get govt involvement in that, it’s poison, beyond what it already is, which is bad enough.

Yeah yeah, cracked, right. Thing is, are those real products? If so, hello?
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April 24, 2012 8:44pm
philu

i can understand state-run brothels…but we aren’t talking billions flowing overseas there..

..i hadn’t thought about the porn industry..

..by ‘sin’ industries i was referring to booze/gambling/alcohol..and of course..legalised/taxed-pot..

..pole-dancers hadn’t been considered..

..but seriously..!..’cracked’ magazine..?

..are you just having a laff..?

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 24, 2012 8:51pm
Pauleastbay

Says Reid
Lange commercialised porn Phil –……………………

No he didn’t, the chief censor ( Bill Hastings ??)was the one that allowed explicit sex scenes into New Zealand.

Porn is rather a commercial business anyway, as much as I like to blame the labour party for everything including the common cold they did not, have not and never probably will own the pornography industry in NZ or any where else

………….Afterwards, it was one of the most liberal in the world………………. no it wasn’t. There are numerous fetish’s that are illegal in NZ
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April 24, 2012 9:04pm
Yvette

porn … eh? … you back to holding yr own then, Phil
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April 24, 2012 9:04pm
Pauleastbay

Arthur Everard not Bill Hastings
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April 24, 2012 9:07pm
bhudson

^^ Just a touch of irony there
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April 24, 2012 9:09pm
Johnboy

Everard. Wonder if he got the job because of his name? 🙂
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April 24, 2012 9:10pm
Johnboy

Arf er Everard!

Don’t think they ever had Viagra back then! 🙂
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April 24, 2012 9:11pm
Pauleastbay

Sharp JB sharp
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April 24, 2012 9:12pm
Johnboy

Anyway. I’m still waiting for Magpie to tell us of all these assets of his that he is afraid of losing to the bloody foreign devils.

Come in Phillip! 🙂
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April 24, 2012 9:14pm
Leaping Jimmy

Arthur Everard not Bill Hastings

On whose instructions/legislation PEB? You mean he did it without the politician’s permission? Quelle Horreur!

Afterwards, it was one of the most liberal in the world………………. no it wasn’t. There are numerous fetish’s that are illegal in NZ

Well, (a) let’s hope so and (b) a Californian living with me in the early 80’s expressed surprise at what we could see vs what they were allowed to lookit over there, PEB so I just assumed since Californy couldn’t… Sorry if I made a small technical error.

..but seriously..!..’cracked’ magazine..? ..are you just having a laff..?

A little bit phil, but also, slippery slope, when putting this subject into state control. State cannot be trusted to manage it, I’m sure you know that.
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April 24, 2012 9:18pm
Yvette

Phil – was Oklahoma a trial run for your 9/11 –
If the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was a terrorist act, why were no ATF or FBI agents injured? Why was every badge-crrying federal agent absent from work at nine o’clock on that weekday morning?

And for the greatest conspiracy theory yet –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc
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April 24, 2012 9:23pm
Pauleastbay

REid
Yep he did,

…Everard explained that he did not think that the Chief Censor should be a defender of public morals or a defender of civil liberties. Instead he should be a referee “between a part of the public that wants to inflict its tastes and norms onto another section of the public. Other sections of the public want to inflict their desires and wishes onto the movie industry. Sections of the movie industry are wanting to exploit various sections of the public to get to get the money out of their back pockets. . . . And you’re sitting in the middle, trying to keep the peace.”[2]………………………

and the gutless bastard politicians imposed a finite term of 6 years for the job because of the backlash from Pat Bartlett and the like.
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April 24, 2012 9:24pm
Michael Mckee

Bill Hastings
A homosexual who protected homosexuals.
Take out the weatherman starring Nicolas Gage.
then tell me it should have the rating it got.
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April 24, 2012 9:25pm
bereal

Now even i thought i deserved some demerits for my lapse of composure @ 5.38

But 50, maybe that was a bit harsh.

Still i’ll suck it up and take my medicine.

Sorry to those i offended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewAhqjfMiEY

Adios muchachos.
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April 24, 2012 9:34pm
Pauleastbay

I presume you are referring to …His Honour Judge William Kenneth Hastings who can count among his critics……………………..the Society for the Promotion of Community Standards; convicted paedophile Graham Capill, former Leader of the Christian Heritage Party; Brian Tamaki in the “Media: The New Witchcraft” section of a DVD produced by the Destiny Church for the 2005 general election; Peter Brown MP, Deputy Leader of the New Zealand First Party; and Pastor Ralph Ovadal’s Pilgrims Covenant Church, a fundamentalist Christian church in Monroe, Wisconsin.[…..

reading that list of intolerant sicko’s affirms to me who I would rather have dinner with.
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April 24, 2012 9:37pm
Leaping Jimmy

PEB, so let’s get this straight. The reason why this country went from soft porn when a nipple was considered risque straight into explicit full penetration shots was not because there was a law change but because the Chief Censor at the time made a call and the politicians of the day did not wind him back?

Seriously?
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April 24, 2012 9:45pm
Pauleastbay

Yep, there was no real hoo (who) ha either, porn just started turning up at the video stores uncut,

There doesn’t have to be a law change for everything, the C/censor was paid to make a decision and he did, awesome, whether you agree with the product is not the point, he just did his job . The next change was in 1994 or so with the Video recording Act which illegalised many fetish’s and these have always been cut out of NZ porn ( urination, obviously anything proporting to be children and anything violently sexual )

Thes e laws kept the porn just involving humans, but the net has bypassed NZ legislation and evrything is available for the freaks sickos

And NZ wasn’t that coy either we had had full frontal nudity on TV for years going back to “The Governor’ “.

Tits on telly was no problem if it was made in NZ. You’re no 25 year old Reid so you must remember all this
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April 24, 2012 9:54pm
Nostalgia-NZ

bereal
9.34

Don’t be so morose amigos
It a sad, sadder journey that you
embark upon in your deep morose for
yourself, than a mere amigos, amigos
could ever understand.
There must be something for giving
the old mare a slap on the butt at early
morning training.
If not a butterfly, flying up your hairy nostrils,
then surely some privacy in your decrepitude.
See you at the bean fry up
over by the outskirts.
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April 24, 2012 9:59pm
Leaping Jimmy

porn just started turning up at the video stores uncut

Yes I recall PEB but you’re saying that was just because the censor decided to let it in?

What do you know about this?

Are you saying that all the rule were in place, e.g. it could have been done say in Muldoon’s time but it just wasn’t? (If that is what you’re saying, then why didn’t it happen when Muldoon was in power?)

I’m really trying to understand this, it just seems to me a gate just doesn’t open without anyone doing something, alternatively if its seen to be an undesirable gate then its normally closed and neither of those things happened from your account thus far – it just swung open as if by magik. Real world doesn’t work like this PEB, so what were the dynamics, if you happen to know.
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April 24, 2012 10:05pm
Pauleastbay

The chief censor had films put before him for classification, prior to Everard they had acted as if they were the moderators of the indecent publications Act, guarding my morals, making dcisions based on what they thought would damage my moral fibre and that of NZ

Everard took the point of view that this wasn’t his job and passed videos that would have previously been banned because it wasn’t his job to impose the view of sections of society onto others.

If you wanted to hire porn you could, if you didn’t you didnt have to. This upset Bartlett and Co who thought they ahd a natural right to make decisions for me and have their moral view upheld by the Censors office… imagine being able to make a decision for yourself, bloody brilliant.

Wiki Everard its interesting especially how they did bring pressure to bear and his was effectively sacked by the time term placed on the office.

What you have to remember also Reid is that porn never really took off until VCR’s were available in the home, prior to that you only had films brought in by seaman which were watched in locked rooms at piss ups at football clubs and the like.

The VCR made what you watched in the privacy of your own home no ones business but your own
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April 24, 2012 10:33pm
Monique Watson

ha ha Nasska. That was a good one. And Phil U if the philosophy of workers owning the means of production is a winer then how do you explain the not so stellar performances of Cuba and Venezuela.
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