General Debate 23 April 2012

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Yvette

Labour had not the slightest hope of winning the Election –
to busy fucking with the deck-chairs on the Titanic
Joyeux cent ans d’anniversaire
And now –

The results show Mr Shearer has made little headway.
Rumblings over splits in his backroom team and speculation on a Left-wing blog left deputy Grant Robertson denying he was preparing to mount a challenge.

– they are still fucking with the deck-chairs.

The entire Elections was about asset sales, they told us
So have Labour even asked about how those will happen?
• The Treaty Clause and water rights
• the Muliaga community responsibility clause
• equal state/public dividends
• slipping in ‘non voting’ shares to sell more than 49% [and would that not break Election fundamental promises]?
Why has Labour not gone in like a rabid dog, pressured National when the latter is still just working out how to semi-sale strategic state assets? Because labour has no fucking idea themselves – just get the deck-chairs right

Who better to suggest –

“No-one has a clue what they stand for. I am paid to watch them and I don’t know if they are pro-growth or opposed to growth … what has David Shearer actually said in five months? You need more than being a nice guy.” – John Ke̊y
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April 23, 2012 8:01am
graham

Wonder if anybody actually chooses to live in Moerewa? I’ve driven through the place several times, it’s got to be one of the most depressing towns I’ve ever seen.

The latest story is that the school is being slammed for letting students down. Among other issues, students doing copy-and-paste from Wikipedia, and last year the majority of the school’s awarded NCEA “achieved grades” were lowered to “not achieved”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10800753

The town is something like 90% Maori, so stand by for the usual suspects crying that it’s all whitey’s fault.
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April 23, 2012 8:03am
graham

Mind you, on the plus side, maybe there’s a job opening for philu!

– Must be an expert on copy-and-paste
– Must have experience in looking after children

Sorted.

[DPF: Don’t attack people with provocation please]
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April 23, 2012 8:37am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/news-from-george-soros-berlin-conference-economists-discover-human-beings/

“…Economists are peculiar creatures.

Last week a large posse of them descended on Berlin for the third annual conference of the Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET) –

– a think-tank co-founded by investor and philanthropist George Soros in 2009 in the wake of the global financial crisis.

As I roamed through the various sessions and gatherings, pointy-headed folk squinted at me and rattled off facts and figures that gave them the sort of thrill I get from seeing spring flowers in bloom.

The field of economics is known for attracting Asperger’s-spectrum wonks better at formulating financial models than the flow of human interaction.

But if the Berlin forum is any indication the field is now fitfully reorienting itself: –

– it wants to understand those fascinating and often irrational beings known as “people.”

Tellingly, the title of the conference was inspired by Milton.

Not Milton Friedman, but John Milton: “Paradigm Lost: Rethinking Economics and Politics.”

Intriguingly, the brochure opened with a passage from Book XII of Paradise Lost describing Adam and Eve’s expulsion from Eden –

– the moment when they look back wistfully on their former paradise- but then teary-eyed forge ahead –

– knowing that “the world was all before them.”

Early on in the program, economist Rob Johnson, INET’s executive director, pointed out that the old economic paradigm – so beautiful in its mathematical modeling –

– was destructively narrow and dogmatic…” (cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 23, 2012 8:45am
big bruv

Morning Phool

241 Auckland based minimum wage jobs advertised on Trade me this morning.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/CategoryAttributeSearchResults.aspx?search=1&mcat=5000-&sidebar=1&selected141=&140=1&141=&154=&153=&142=&144=0&144=20000&sidebarSearch_keypresses=0&sidebarSearch_suggested=0

I demand that you apply for all of them, now get on with it.
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April 23, 2012 8:48am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/argentinas-oil-grab-is-timely-retort-to-rampaging-capitalism-commentwhoar-what-we-should-nationalise/

“..Cristina Fernández’s actions – however clumsy –

– are part of a worldwide reaction to exploitation by business and the rich…”

(cont..)

(ed:..of course here in new zealand we should nationalise our energy industries..

..also the alcohol/tobacco/gambling/cannabis-industries..

..the first to protect our assets..

..and the other sin-industries ..

..to wrest control/distribution/income from these dangerous addictive substances/past-times from profit-driven peddlers..

..to allow each to continue..but to ensure all/any income at least comes back into the common-good/wealth…

..and of course..not to advertise/promote them..

..it’s a health-issue really..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 23, 2012 8:59am
Dave Mann

Hi Yvette…. assuming that you are actually french, do you have any opinions about the outcome of the elections there? The le Pen result was a surprise, wasnt it… and this might be the salvation od Sarko in the second round, methinks…?
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April 23, 2012 9:05am
Pete George

“If absolute power corrupts absolutely,
does absolute powerlessness make you pure?”
― Harry Shearer
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April 23, 2012 9:19am
Put it away

[DPF: Don’t attack people with provocation please]

That’s a shame, it was quite a good one.
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April 23, 2012 9:38am
graham

No, fair enough, I shouldn’t be nasty.

Does anyone here know much about Moerewa? As I said I’ve driven through the place several times, and it’s always struck me as majorly depressing. A real contrast to Paihia, and it’s not that far away from it.
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April 23, 2012 9:44am
Longknives

Who the hell is this idiot? Christ some New Zealanders need to lose that chip on their shoulder…..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10800768
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April 23, 2012 9:46am
bhudson

$100 a packet for ciggies…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/6789819/100-price-for-cigarettes-mulled

Let’s hope this working paper (the relevant section at least) is consigned to the tinder box. Two obvious overwhelming negatives spring to mind if they even set down this path:

1. Further suffering and poverty for children as some parents divert more of their income to feed their smoking habit (especially so in lower socio-economic communities where smoking rates are higher and disposable income is lower)
2. A thriving black market for tobacco – untaxed, unregulated and controlled by gangs of course
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April 23, 2012 9:53am
Yvette

Dave Mann –
Marine is anti-immigration and advocates
reserving jobs for French first as jobless claims peak
dump the Euro and
restore monetary policy to Paris.
Her score seems to reflect anti-establishment vote in many Euro countries as debt and the austerity bites but she attracts deeply conservative vote as well.
Much of her support will back Sarkozy in a second round and Marine Le Pen may become kingmaker – a French Winstone de la Peters
Oh mon Dieu ! Peut Il nous protéger contre celui! Even the French do not deserve that!
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April 23, 2012 10:10am
joana

Are you saying the French deserve the muslim invasion which Le Pen opposes?
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April 23, 2012 10:20am
joana

Nga puhi leader David Rankin has written to the Federation of NZ islamic associations demanding that they condemn the desecration of NZ war graves in North Africa. Unsurprisingly , he has not rec’d a reply.
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April 23, 2012 10:23am
Brian Smaller

$100 a packet for ciggies…

Woohoo. We will have our own St Valentines Day Massacres in short order.
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April 23, 2012 10:27am
Michael Mckee

Yvette
I think that’s a great policy, reserve jobs for NZ citizens first and only then allow non citizens to take them.

How about we dump WFF and rejig the tax tables giving tax cuts to the equivalent amounts, thereby doing away with the Labour/Green bribe that is WFF, that John Key and National hasn’t the balls to deal too.
Same tax collected but no more bullshit from the middle class beneficiaries that they are taxpayers!
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April 23, 2012 10:37am
Michael Mckee

Yvette (1,748) Says:
April 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 am

I think Mallard et al should all resign as they are incompetent and wasting the taxpayers money by sitting in the house.
They are not a credible opposition and never going to be.

All Key has to do is look out the window and say so who or what will replace me, nuff said.
labour is a joke and they spit in our faces sitting there.
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April 23, 2012 10:41am
Nookin

I guess the fact that the e-mail didn’t sack anyone let alone 1300 people would spoil a good story so why let facts get in the way?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/6790798/Email-misfire-sacks-all-1300-staff
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April 23, 2012 10:44am
Fletch

joanna, yep, I was going to post about that myself. Story below –

Press Release – David Rankin

Ngapuhi leader David Rankin has written to the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand urging that it officially condemns recent attacks on the graves of New Zealand soldiers in North Africa.

“The recent vandalism of these sacred sites by Islamic activists was an outrage,” says Rankin, “and yet the New Zealand Muslim community has refused to condemn it.” Mr. Rankin has written to the Federation’s chairman asking for a public condemnation of the war graves attack but has received no reply.

“We as Maori fought and died in the war as the price of citizenship. Muslims in New Zealand need to reflect on what their price of citizenship is,” says Mr. Rankin. “If the shoe was on the other foot, if a New Zealander burnt a copy of the Koran, there would be outrage. Yet when Muslims desecrate that which is sacred to us, we don’t even get an apology and no condemnation of this action.”

Mr. Rankin says that his message for the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand is a simple one: “in the words of the ANZAC dedication, we will remember them.”

http://community.scoop.co.nz/2012/04/maori-leader-demands-anzac-apology/

No surprises there then.
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April 23, 2012 11:00am
Pete George

joanna, Fletch – that press release was yesterday, don’t you think there should be a bit of time allowed for Islamic Associations of New Zealand to respond?

And you realise Islamic Associations of New Zealand is almost certainly not responsible for the grave attacks?

Do Ngapuhi officially condemn anything done wrong with anyone indentifying as Ngapuhi?
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April 23, 2012 11:06am
mikenmild

What does vandalism in Libya have to do with the Federation of Islamic Associations in New Zealand?
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April 23, 2012 11:07am
Leaping Jimmy

Amaze your friends – something to do on a rainy weekend, esp if you have a bored teenager.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mODqQvlrgIQ
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April 23, 2012 11:14am
Leaping Jimmy

A new $60 lightbulb. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17788178

The bulb triumphed in the Bright Tomorrow competition run by the US Department of Energy that aimed to find an energy efficient alternative to the 60-watt incandescent light bulb.

The DoE challenged firms to develop a design that gave out a warm light similar to that from an incandescent bulbs but was much more energy efficient.

Philips was the only entrant for the competition and its design underwent 18 months of testing before being declared a winner.

A cheaper and less efficient version of the LED bulb is already sold by Philips in the US and Europe.

LED bulbs face competition from compact fluorescent lights which are almost as energy efficient and cost a lot less.

Sales of more energy efficient bulbs are being aided by official moves to end production of higher wattage incandescent bulbs.

Production of 100 watt bulbs has ceased in the US and Europe. Production of 60 watt bulbs has been stopped in Europe and is being phased out in the US. From 2014, incandescent bulbs of 40 watts or above will be banned in the US.

But at least its an LED and not a CFL, which are poison as they contain mercury. If a CFL breaks, evacuate the room for 15 mins due to mercury vapour and do not vacuum as the vacuum it up then spreads the mercury to other rooms – pick it up by hand and FFS don’t cut yourself, otherwise you’ll get mercury poisoning. When switched on CFL’s also emit EMF waves which affect human cell structures. How come the Gweens don’t mention this part? Normally they’re right up with the play with stuff like that aren’t they. Perhaps when it comes to humans vs the enviwonment, the pwanet wins out, in their twisted and warped view of the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS5ogZxoZ2Y

http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/325049/
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April 23, 2012 11:30am
MT_Tinman

LJ, I’ve used cfl type lightbulbs for years – by far the best thing for downlights as they don’t overheat and burn out with the monotonous regularity of incandescent bulbs.

The mercury fumes didn’t send me mad, I already was.
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April 23, 2012 11:50am
Brian Smaller

Pete George -They don’t need a day to reply, they should have done it weeks ago when the graves were defaced. I have never seen the Islamic Association of NZ condemn anything without putting in a “but” to actually justify whatever it was they were pretending to condemn. They are well versed in taqqiya.
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April 23, 2012 11:53am
Leaping Jimmy

The mercury fumes didn’t send me mad, I already was.

Did you watch the video – it’s the EMF frequency that is the issue. Mercury only happens if it breaks. (And how, pray tell, are they disposed? What’s the bet, don’t tell me, they end up in the local landfill with no precaution? You would not consciously notice the EMF, but if you have a baby or someone vulnerable – they mention diabetics and asthmatics – you should really either use LEDs or incandescents – if I were you. Why take a risk for no benefit. Apart from longer life, what else do they offer?

Personally, I can’t stand how weak the CFLs are.
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April 23, 2012 12:49pm
Leaping Jimmy

This whole Bo Xi Li thing is quite interesting, almost certain his wife will be charged and probably will get the death penalty and they do things quickly over there, no fucking around for decades while the appeals go through.

Which leaves Bo nowhere. He might get charged with being an accessory. Depends what his replacement wants to happen. Meanwhile their son in Boston will probably become a political refugee.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9219034/Neil-Heywood-death-how-news-of-an-Old-Harrovians-murder-went-straight-to-Barack-Obama.html
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April 23, 2012 1:01pm
Leaping Jimmy

General interest link.

This site is the homepage for In-q-tel which is basically to the CIA what DARPA is to the DoD. In other words its job is to identify areas of technology research that would benefit the CIA and the wider intelligence community and funds projects in those areas. It doesn’t of course give you access to the outcomes of those projects but it does show you the areas of focus at the cutting edge of this field. Naturally if this was the NSA you’d never get to see this stuff, at all.

http://www.iqt.org/
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April 23, 2012 1:14pm
joana

good on you Fletch and Brian…usual Noddies responding. This story is getting publicity in Aussie.
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April 23, 2012 1:20pm
Pete George

joana – I don’t see why FIANZ should be held responsible for the actions of all one and a half billion Muslims around the world.
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April 23, 2012 1:38pm
bereal

Have a look at a fuken disgrace.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/last-post-first-light/6792303/No-apology-over-dig-at-Aussie-soldiers

A bird brain idiot and a disgrace to all New Zealand.
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April 23, 2012 1:50pm
bereal

Bye the way……..

Does the photo of that disgrace look like a bludger that often posts on this blog ?

………eh !!!!!!!!!!!!! Duh……….(cont…….)
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April 23, 2012 1:57pm
Pete George

joana – just like I don’t see why New Zealand Catholics have anything to do with nor should need to apologise for official church approval of castration of boys in Dutch asylums as a method to cure homosexuality – and also claimed as a punishment for reporting sexual abuse by priests.

http://newwaysministryblog.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/ignorance-leads-to-dutch-catholic-castration-atrocity/
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April 23, 2012 2:02pm
Pete George

bereal, you post copious comments criticising others for “engaging” with a certain person but you probably mention and provoke that topic more than anyone. Duh.
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April 23, 2012 2:06pm
bereal

A New Zealand ‘journalist’ , Jock Anderson , says our Anzac allies in WW1 were, bludgers, scavengers and theives, and
were, reluctant to fight.

FYI Australian casualties WW1

62,000 killed. Those killed represented 1.38% of the total Aussie population. and,
155,000 injured.

This piece of sxxx must be shamed into making a public apology.

His gormless, idiotic statement cannot be allowed to stand.
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April 23, 2012 2:13pm
bereal

OK Pete, @ 2.06 that was fair comment. And i deserved it.

i’m going to change my ways from now on.

P.S . But you do know who that POS Jock Anderson looks like.
Don’t you ?
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April 23, 2012 2:17pm
bereal

Also,

65 Australians were awarded the Victoria Cross in World War 1

Well, Mr Anderson, there are at least 65 for you that were not reluctant to fight.
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April 23, 2012 2:26pm
Pete George

Jock Anderson’s comments and lack of apology do look bad, but to be honest I have no idea if there is any accuracy to what he says at all. It does look like he is grossly over-generalising at best, which is poor for a journalist. Very insulting, regardless.
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April 23, 2012 2:29pm
dime

bereal – the guy should be lined up and shot. in the gut. let him bleed out on the ground.

what an attention seeking piece of shit.

and just have a look at him. what a hack
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April 23, 2012 2:33pm
dime

Pete – i know you do your best to emulate “Mr Sensible”. but really? you need to say something like “i dont know if his statements are accurate??

youre well suited to that party of one
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April 23, 2012 2:34pm
Pete George

dime – I have no idea what the facts are on what Aussie servicemen were like in WW1. I’d guess that in the main they wouldn’t be a lot different to New Zealanders, but not knowing anything about it I’m not going to jump to conclusions.

The generalising is enough to make the comments very insulting. But suggesting serious physical violence against him, to be frank, is at least as bad.
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April 23, 2012 2:41pm
Put it away

Most likely the guy is a muppet. As far as I know, the ockers pulled their weight.
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April 23, 2012 2:42pm
hj

Auckland’s main ethnic groups 2006
European and Other 60%
Asian 17%
Pacific Peoples 13%
Maori 10%
Source: Statistics New Zealand

Auckland’s main ethnic groups 2021 (projections)
European and Other 48%
Asian 25%
Pacific Peoples 16%
Maori 11%
Note: These are based on individual
group projections so percentages will not necessarily add to 100 or relate to the
projected total population.
Source: Statistics New Zealand

432.
T he projected 330,000 new dwellings
Auckland will need by 2040, and the
possibility we could fall short of meeting this
target, together with the very real prospect
that we may become more attractive to
migrants than projected,23 reinforce the need
for the Auckland Plan to be framed in a way
that can cope with change and uncertainty.
///
This is because over the next 20
years we will have a total increase in demand
for housing of nearly 40%. Additionally, over
the next 20 years a housing supply shortage of
some 12,000 to 90,000 units is forecast based
on Auckland’s long-term supply. Over the last
three years Auckland has already fallen short
by approximately 10,000 new homes – the
equivalent of a town the size of Blenheim.24

New Zealand Productivity Commission Inquiry into Housing Affordability
Scope
Having regard to the context outlined above, the Commission is requested to undertake an inquiry to
evaluate the factors influencing the affordability of housing (both rental and owner-occupied housing), and
to examine potential opportunities to increase housing affordability. For the purposes of this evaluation the
Commission should:
 Identify and analyse all components of the cost and price of housing.
 Identify mechanisms to improve the affordability of housing, with respect to both the demand and
supply of housing and associated infrastructure.
 Identify any significant impediments to home ownership, and assess the feasibility and implications of
reducing or removing such impediments.
Particular attention should be given, without limitation, to the following matters:
a) factors influencing the supply of land and basic infrastructure for residential construction;
b) factors influencing the cost of residential construction, including the effect of standards, specifications,
approval and title requirements on the cost of new housing construction;
c) the level and growth of productivity in the land development and residential construction industries,
and the effect of government regulations on productivity in these industries;
d) the efficiency of taxes, levies and charges imposed at all stages of the housing supply chain;
e) the efficiency of the tax treatment of owner-occupied and rental housing;
f)
the influence of changing consumer housing preferences, willingness to pay, and financing costs on
housing affordability; and
g) the operation of the overall housing market, with specific reference to the availability of a range of
public and private housing types, the demand for housing, and the efficiency of use of the existing
residential housing stock.
http://tiny.cc/fz46cw
….

“In an Australian context, the Productivity Commission – hardly a hot-bed of xenophobia or populism – concluded that any benefits from migration to Australia were captured by migrants and there were few or no discernible economic benefits to Australians. And that was in a country already rich and successful and with materially higher national saving and domestic investment rates than those in NZ.”
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf

I.E don’t embarrass us by revealing our pro property sector bias.
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April 23, 2012 2:44pm
dime

Pete –

you really need to research to have an opinion on this? Aussies were reluctant soldiers?

i hear most kiwi soldiers were date rapists. can ya rule that one out?

fuck, sit on the fence more pete
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April 23, 2012 2:48pm
Fletch

Leaping Jimmy, I get the halogen bulbs (I think it was from either Bunnings or Mitre 10 Mega).

They still give you a 30% power saving, but with none of the dangers of mercury. They fit the normal bayonet-type fittings in our house, but they do versions for the screw-in type also.

Pic of packagaing – http://i40.tinypic.com/k1p1rn.jpg
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April 23, 2012 2:55pm
MT_Tinman

From memory the Ockers were all volunteers, the draft was voted down.

“Reluctant soldiers”?

A question; What qualifies one to become “a New Zealand Journalist”?

I’ve never heard of this joke fellow.
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April 23, 2012 3:00pm
philu

going on his appearances on nat-rad..

..anderson is a rolling maul of old-school prejudices/bigotry…

..all stated with the certainty of a sermon from the mount…

..he brays/sprays his ignorances..that anderson…

..(and as for him looking like me..?..whoar..!..he is two of me…)

..and as for doppelgangers…i found one of someone known here..today in my story/link search…heh..!..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 23, 2012 3:05pm
bereal

Onya dime.

This disgrace, the chief reporter on the NBR is @ janderson@nbr.co.nz
And his boss is at tscott@nbr.co.nz
just in case anybody feels they need some advice.

i note that in addition to refusing to apologise he states he will be making no further comment.

This makes him not only a piece of shit but an arrogant piece of shit.

P.S. Poor old Pete G you just don’t get it mate.
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April 23, 2012 3:12pm
joana

I know an elderly veteran of the Pacific war. He told me that the Aussies were frightful thieves..He didn’t like them. The Yanks and the kiwis got on. The Aussies were constantly stealing from the Yanks..This is why they put all their equipment into the sea. It wasn’t that they didn’t want the Japs to get it ; they didn’t want the Aussies to get it. When they were moving out they would tell the Kiwis in advance so they could get things..the day after they left, the Aussies would rollout in US equipment etc etc..I did not make this up. I was told this by a very well respected ex businessman in CHCH. He was very successful after the war.
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April 23, 2012 3:19pm
Fletch

An author at PJ Media on the state of education in the U.S. Well worth reading the whole thing….

Not only was my students’ writing appalling, but I soon encountered their resentment at being told about it. “Who are you to tell me I can’t write?” was the attitude — once expressed in those very words. More than one student insisted that her other teachers had always rewarded her with high marks for her “creativity.” Most believed themselves more than competent. After sitting with one young woman explaining the cause of her failing grade, I was befuddled when her only response was a sullen: “This doesn’t exactly make me feel good.” When I responded that my job was not to make her feel good, she stood haughtily, picked up her paper with an air of injury, and left my office without another word. In her mind, I later realized, I had been unforgivably cruel.

I was up against it: the attitude of entitlement rampant amongst university students and nurtured by the utopian ideology that permeates modern pedagogy, in which the imposition of rules and identification of errors are thought to limit student creativity and the fostering of a hollow self-esteem takes precedence over the building of skills on which genuine self-respect might be established. In the Humanities subjects in particular — and in English especially, the discipline I know best — such a philosophy has led to a perilous watering down of course content, with self-validation seen as more important than the mastery of specific knowledge.

With this philosophy has come a steady grade inflation. The majority of students in English courses today can expect a B grade or higher merely for warming a seat and handing in assignments on time. The result, as I soon discovered, was a generation of students so accustomed to being praised for their work that when I told them it was inadequate, they simply could not or would not believe me. They seemed very nearly unteachable: lacking not only the essential skills but also the personal gumption to respond adequately to criticism.

When I mentioned my dismay to fellow teachers, a number were sympathetic, sharing stories of student resistance and unwarranted smugness. One told me of her humiliation at being hauled before the department head by a posse of disgruntled students who alleged that the grades she had awarded were at least 5% lower than their average, and must therefore be raised to correspond with their accustomed level. Rather than laughing them out of his office, the department chair undertook to investigate the matter, informing the instructor that if the allegation was found to be correct, her marks would have to be revised. In the end, the case was not as straightforward as the students had claimed and my colleague’s marks were allowed to stand, but the damage to her sense of authority — and the outrageous notion that a professor’s marking could be determined by precedent and forcibly harmonized with previous grades, regardless of quality — had already taken effect.

[…]

As traditional content is removed from courses, it is often replaced by non-academic material, specifically a devotion to “social justice” that masquerades as critical analysis despite the fact that the impartial weighing of evidence so necessary to such analysis is largely absent from its championing of victims. In books such as The Professors, David Horowitz has shown the dominance of Leftist activists at American colleges and “the extent to which radicalism at the very edges of the American political spectrum [has] established a central place in the curriculum of American universities.” A recent report by the California Association of Scholars laments the widespread politicization of teaching, pointing out the extraordinary imbalance of liberal to conservative scholars at California universities (29:1 in the Berkeley English Department, for example), a situation that certainly applies across North America. Many professors in the Humanities and Social Sciences devote themselves less to teaching their particular disciplines than to decrying the presumed crimes of the United States, sympathizing with Islamic terrorists and other violent dissidents, calling for the overthrow of the capitalist world order, and condoning plans for the destruction of Israel.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/can-the-humanities-be-saved/?singlepage=true
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April 23, 2012 3:37pm
Elaycee

“A recent report… laments the widespread politicization of teaching…… Many professors in the Humanities and Social Sciences devote themselves less to teaching… than to sympathizing with Islamic terrorists and other violent dissidents, calling for the overthrow of the capitalist world order, and condoning plans for the destruction of Israel.”

Oh, shit!

Cue the propagandist Luc in 3…., 2….., 1……… 😛
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April 23, 2012 3:42pm
bereal

Dear joana,
You miss the point completely.
And may i say, as someone who has made some idiotic posts here myself , that has to the most moronic effort i have ever seen.

Let me get it right, you say that all Aussie sevicemen in the Pacific in WW2 were , “frightfull thieves.”

Oh no, you were told by someone who you say is a very well respected busisnessman in Christchurch that all
Australian troops were frightfull thieves.

Did he also tell you that they were reluctant to fight ?
You should ask him and report back what he says about that.

Your well respected buisnessman from Christchurch probably had an issue because he found out his wife had turned
it up for a G.I. here on RnR.

Try reading something by Andy McNab about the British SAS. Bring yourself up to speed about the best fighters
and the best scroungers.

If your mate from Christchurch wasn’t a veteran i would suggest he…..
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April 23, 2012 3:50pm
joana

Bereal,
I was just repeating what I was told by someone who unlike you , actually fought in the Pacific.
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April 23, 2012 4:44pm
Put it away

This anderson guy has a face my old man would’ve described as “looks like he just missed out on being a mongoloid”
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April 23, 2012 5:04pm
bereal

Pathetic joana.

Why did you bother ?
You are breathlessly reporting heresay from a different conflict 20 years later. Which proves what ?

This POS i called attention to was on about WW1
Get it babe ? WW1? Focus.

Like i said, ask your well respected Christchurch buisnesman if he found his Australian allies reluctant to fight
alongside him in WW2 and report back.

As for the, “unlike you, actually fought in the Pacific.” quip.
Oh dear.
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April 23, 2012 5:05pm
cha

Using beer as a search phrase here are a few choice excerpts from an uncles memoirs. Hardly choir boys.

Often food and beer gambling was an important part of Army life. All sorts of games were played. Crown and Anchor was popular although illegal, two weeks in jail was the penalty if caught playing Crown and Anchor. Housie or Bingo was very popular, especially in the larger camps where the jackpots would rise up to 600 pounds. Poker, euchre, 500, slippery sam, pontoon, crib and bridge all had their followers.

Another time one of our Maori truck drivers was passing a line of rail trucks when he noticed they were unloading beer and taking it down to the canteen. The next time he was passing he backed in and they loaded his truck with beer. He picked up a couple of his mates and they took it way out in the desert and buried it. I remember there was an awful row over that.

One of our sections was twenty miles fixing the water pipe lines. Every time they came to Benghazi they used to moan about us blokes working around the docks used to get all the perks like the odd case of beer falling of the back of a truck. Bags of sugar and cases of tea were also fair game. Anyway, the pipeline gang found out which shed the beer was stored in and came to town one night and pinched a couple of truck loads of beer. The beer incident created an awful row. When we arrived old “Noicks” was stamping around waving his fists about shouting, “I know who did this, it was those blasted colonials.” So from then on we were known as the blasted colonials.

We had an arrangement with the South African wharfies. They would accidentally let slip a few cases of beer on the ship on the opposite side of the docks and we would row round and pick it up and split it 50-50 with the South Africans.

. They used to give us uncouth Kiwis a wide berth, especially in the bars. The Kiwis (especially the Maoris) had a bad habit of picking a fight with them and pinching their beer when they had cleared off. South Africans, French, Poles and Australians were just some of the other nationalities we had to put up with.

Tel Aviv in Palestine was like being in another world, different people, different food, wine and beer. Palestine was the headquarters of the Australian Division so we were in Aussie country. First thing we noticed was the numbers of Aussie bludgers on the Street who would hit us up for a few bob, reckoned they wanted a bed for the night. We soon found out they were all deserters who used to sleep on the sand at night and only wanted the money for beer or gambling. Two-up was the great Aussie gambling game, every vacant section in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem had a two-up school.
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April 23, 2012 5:07pm
Nostalgia-NZ

bereal
3.50

‘Your well respected buisnessman from Christchurch probably had an issue because he found out his wife had turned
it up for a G.I. here on RnR.’

Ah.. wouldn’t he have had issues with American servicemen if that were the case, like it appears a lot of other kiwis did with GIs doing r@r here. There was a pretty good punch-up in Wellington I seem to recall reading. Stockings and chocolates.

On the same point the guy that made the claim must be a shock jock. But he’s missing his best attribute to shock – his rotten head. I wonder if he comes with a warning. Maybe he should join a carnival as the world’s ugliest man. He could actually be a kiwi but I doubt it. If he is, maybe his mother took a quick trip across the ditch and left him at a railway station and because his finders didn’t know what species he was he spent 3 years in the pig pen before they put him in with the hippos. No wonder he’s hot on Aussies, being fed cabbages and stale bread for 20 years.
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April 23, 2012 5:39pm
philu

interesting how the rising tide of progressive politics sees the soon to be new president of france promising a 75% top tax rate on the richest….eh..?

..(that figure should cause a few local sphincters to twitch…

..and something to aim for..eh..?..that 75% on the richest..?)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 23, 2012 5:41pm
bereal

Nostalgia-NZ @ 5.39

yep. you are right about that.
Still my point about what a stupid post joana put up @ 3.19 still stands.

Your final paragraph was spot on.
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April 23, 2012 5:47pm
bereal

Also Nostalgia-NZ

his self admitted doppleganger @ 3.05 can’t be too happy with your final paragraph.

(even though that post of his was the nearest he has been to making some sense for
a long time otherwise.)
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April 23, 2012 6:00pm
krazykiwi

The Climate Change debate is becoming consumerised. Preview of an ABC doco:I can Change Your Mind… About Climate Change
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April 23, 2012 6:01pm
nasska

Truck = Spain. Car = Greece. People = Germany and France

http://i.imgur.com/5mTDO.gif
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April 23, 2012 6:11pm
Put it away

phool “the soon to be new president of france”

Phool you know that a prediction of victory from you is a certain guarantee of defeat. We all remember your Mana landslide 2011… in reality you were the 1%. And let’s not forget “one term John” and the Labour landslide in 2008. As always you are completely wrong, Marine Le Pen will be the kingmaker, she will not endorse the socialist. Only 1% between sarkozy and the leftard in the first round, where do you think the 20% Le Pen votes are going to go in the run off? It’s over already.
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April 23, 2012 6:11pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/charlesmoore/9220312/A-dismal-decade-when-defeat-was-in-the-air.html

A great little review, lovely summation of trade union leaders
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April 23, 2012 6:39pm
philu

roy morgan poll has act on zero support..

..whoar..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz)
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April 23, 2012 6:39pm
krazykiwi

Wanganui locals should be careful who they pick on: Out-of-towner attempts to use chainsaw in a fight.
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April 23, 2012 6:41pm
Johnboy

Hell they are so out of date those Fanganui fellows. Ray Enoka did this years ago in Wainui except he forgot to gas up his chainsaw! 🙂
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April 23, 2012 6:46pm
Chthoniid

This also in… beer is good.
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April 23, 2012 6:47pm
Fletch

krazykiwi, on the other hand, Climate Change is being left out of some documentaries altogether; so much so that greenies are complaining. The latest episode of the documentary ‘Frozen Planet’ does not address the issue because the makers did not want to politicize the issue.

http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2012/04/22/earth-day-2012-the-day-the-tide-turned/
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April 23, 2012 6:52pm
Put it away

kk – other way round, the chainsaw guy got punched out!
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April 23, 2012 6:56pm
krazykiwi

PIA – I know. But he’d started the sucker and was heading back for a piece of the action. Guess the local chap deserves credit for taking him out.
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April 23, 2012 6:58pm
Fletch

ps, the co-founder of Earth Day, was one Ira Einhorn, who murdered and composted his girlfriend.

Ira Einhorn was on stage hosting the first Earth Day event at the Fairmount Park in Philadelphia on April 22, 1970. Seven years later, police raided his closet and found the “composted” body of his ex-girlfriend inside a trunk.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42711922/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/earth-day-co-founder-killed-composted-girlfriend/

The date for the first Earth Day was also the 100th anniversary of Lenin’s birthday.
No coincidence there.
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April 23, 2012 7:02pm
krazykiwi

Fletch, IIRC Earth Day is usually on Lenin’s birthday. That Ira Einhorn was a charmer wasn’t he?!? A leader of nonviolence, drug, and free-love movements in the 1960s. Seemed to love a stage. Any stage. Seesh.
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April 23, 2012 7:12pm
Put it away

Fletch – “partially mummified body stuffed into a trunk that had also been packed with Styrofoam, air fresheners and newspapers. ”

Oil based plastics, CFCs and chlorine bleached paper. Oh dear. Oh well, at least he was re-using.
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April 23, 2012 7:14pm
Pauleastbay

KK
But was it really him that committed the henious crime?, I’m sure there are screeds out there showing how it was a conspiracy between power hungry republicans and muslim extremists so they could control all the worlds fresh water supplies and we have just been suckered into believing the story as put about by Fletch
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April 23, 2012 7:17pm
cha

A purely commercial decision Fletch.

http://blogs.bbcworldwide.com/2011/11/15/majority-of-international-broadcasters-will-show-all-frozen-planet-episodes/
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April 23, 2012 7:21pm
Put it away

Pauleastbay – according to the econut, it was the CIA because he knew too much about their paranormal military research. That sounds like one for reid…
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April 23, 2012 7:33pm
krazykiwi

UK ministers told to find another £16billion in savings, just after they raise their ‘commitment’ to the IMF’s [wasteful nation] bailout fund to a whopping £40billion.

This is global welfare at work: Taking from the ‘rich’ nations and giving to the profligate ones.. leading to dependency and a loss of sovereignty.
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April 23, 2012 7:34pm
Luc Hansen

Fletch

In that series, climate change is dealt with in the final episode. In the US, there was much debate about whether to show that episode. Eventually, the decision was made to show it.

But Fletch, your comment the other day about Iraq now being in a good place – have multiple bomb blasts and scores of deaths in recent weeks changed your (risible) opinion?
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April 23, 2012 7:34pm
Fletch

Luc, yes. That’s because of Obama’s premature withdrawal.
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April 23, 2012 7:38pm
Put it away

Muslims will be muslims, Luc.
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April 23, 2012 7:38pm
Luc Hansen

Two sides of the same coin?

~~Panetta~~ Chomsky said he condemned the behaviour, but said, “This is ~~war~~ resistance. I know that ~~war~~ resistance is ugly and it’s violent…

What would we do if, say, Indonesia rolled into town and put us into the same situation as Palestinians?

Roll over and wait for our tummies to be tickled?
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April 23, 2012 7:47pm
Put it away

But Luc, that actually would be a war, since Indonesia has no legitimate claim to New Zealand. Israelis are just trying to survive in their own ancient land while fanatic barbarous interlopers try to murder them. It’s the arabs choice to make war against the legitimate people of that land. So be it. They will lose.
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April 23, 2012 7:53pm
big bruv

See Fat Dunc is taking over the drive slot on Radio Live.

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Duncan-Garner-replaces-Paul-Henry-as-RadioLIVE-Drive-host/tabid/615/articleID/27514/Default.aspx

Might as well rename the station “Radio Labour.”
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April 23, 2012 7:55pm
nasska

A man went to his lawyer and told him, “My neighbor owes
me $500 and he doesn’t want to pay up. What should I do?”

“Do you have any proof?” asked the lawyer.

“Nope,” replied the man.

“Okay, then write him a letter asking him for the $1000 he
owed you,” said the lawyer.

“But it’s only $500,” replied the man.

“Precisely. That’s what he will reply and we will have the
proof we need to nail him.”
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April 23, 2012 8:07pm
Luc Hansen

“fanatic barbarous interlopers”

Kind of describes the mainly eastern European invaders with a high degree of accuracy, I would say.

Thanks, PIA, I’ll pass that on, if you don’t mind.

And as far as making war goes, except for 1972, which only occurred because Israel turned down a peace agreement that they then agreed to after that war, it has always been Israel attacking Arab populations and countries.

Which part of “illegal military occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip” do have a problem understanding?
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April 23, 2012 8:07pm
Nostalgia-NZ

pia
7.53

In which century or millennium do you anticipate ‘they will lose?’ Give or take 500 years.
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April 23, 2012 8:14pm
Elaycee

“…it has always been Israel attacking Arab populations…”

Oh, bollocks. Jeez Luc – why do you persist with telling porkies?

Has your convenient memory forgotten about the ongoing actions of the terrorist outfit Hamas? You may remember that they regularly lob ordnance over the border into Israel and they get spanked by the Israelis in return. Sounds about right to me…

Has your convenient memory also forgotten that, during the Gulf War in 1991 Iraq fired 39 Scud missiles into Israel in the hopes of uniting the Arab world against the coalition which sought to liberate Kuwait? Indeed, you have clearly forgotten that (at the behest of the United States), Israel did not respond to this attack in order to prevent a greater outbreak of war.

Now, which part of ‘Hamas terrorism’ and which part of ‘Iraq’s attack on Israel’, do you have a problem understanding?
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April 23, 2012 8:23pm
Luc Hansen

Jeez Fletch

You change your mind quicker than the wind at (the former) Athletic Park!

No commitment, huh?
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April 23, 2012 8:24pm
Other_Andy

“Which part of “illegal military occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip” do have a problem understanding?”

Yes PIA..!
The Gaza strip and the “West Bank (?)” were Illegally occupied by Egypt and Jordan for almost 30 years.
The Gaza srip is currently occupied by Hamas.
Judea and Samaria is currently occupied by Fatah.
(No idea what the “Westbank” is though.)
Comprende!
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April 23, 2012 8:24pm
Luc Hansen

LAC

You know, I missed the Iraq pointless and ineffectual attempt to deflect US aggression onto Israel – although if you tell me Israel wasn’t cheering the US on, I would have to chortle at that!

But I’ll have to remember that one so I get my posts correct in all respects.

Cheers.

As regards Hamas, Hamas was a social service organization, assisted in those days by Israel who saw it as a counter to Arafat. Hamas formed its military wing only after 20 odd years of israeli occupation and then only in the midst of the first intifada – for which Israel’s response was the deliberate breaking of bones of unarmed protestors.

War begets resistance, as surely as night begets day. Both are ugly and violent. That was the point of my earlier post.
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April 23, 2012 8:31pm
Luc Hansen

OA

I’m talking about the current occupation.

Judea and Samaria exist only in the Bible and in the fevered imagination of israel’s fanatical populace.

The Gaza Strip is recognized internationally as being under Israeli occupation – Hamas is simply the contracted prison guard.

The West Bank, although so-named during Jordan’s occupation (and I believe it was annexed by Jordan and was not then illegal) is the name Palestinians accept for that area. That’s good enough for me.
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April 23, 2012 8:36pm
Pauleastbay

Without:
God
Homosexuality
911
Israel
School teachers (misnomer alert)
The labour party
the lack of global warming

we’d all be back watching Coronation Street or a variation thereof… just thinking
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April 23, 2012 8:40pm
Luc Hansen

Juian Assange’s debut as an interviewer talking to a Lebanese hero of resistance to Israel’s aggression:

http://assange.rt.com/

You should watch it, if only to know thine enemy.

After all, I watch Bill O’Reilly (when my wife’s not around!)
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April 23, 2012 8:42pm
Luc Hansen

And Paul

Don’t forget failed cops in your lists.
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April 23, 2012 8:55pm
Pauleastbay

Whats failed Luc? I has a job with them for 25 years, your point is?

While you’re here were you at that shambles at QEII Square at Easter with the signs regarding 25 years of Israeli terroisim etc
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April 23, 2012 8:58pm
Other_Andy

Hassan Nasrallah is Luc’s hero.
Now why aren’t we surprised?

A terrorist leader, holocaust denier and anti semite.

“Israel is the state of the grandsons of apes and pigs – the Zionist Jews are the murderers of the prophets.”
“What do the Jews want? They want security and money. Throughout history the Jews have been Allah’s most cowardly and avaricious creatures. If you look all over the world, you will find no one more miserly or greedy than they are.”
“The Jews invented the legend of the Nazi atrocities. It is clear that the numbers they talk about are greatly exaggerated”
“If the Jews all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.”
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April 23, 2012 9:01pm
Luc Hansen

PEB

I was away at Easter, so no.

But I would have been there otherwise, if I had known about it, for sure.
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April 23, 2012 10:35pm
Luc Hansen

OA

Quotes, manufactured or otherwise, are easy to spew on these blogs.

I could quote you Israeli stuff that is probably worse than what you attribute to Nasrallah, but what’s the point?

Nasrallah drove Israeli occupation forces out of Lebanon.

He is a Lebanese hero, extant, despite the best efforts of US/Israel to kill him.
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