General Debate 18 April 2012

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Pete George

The asset sale 49% ownership loophole looks like a serious breach of principle and agreement.

John Key has said “trust us”. I trusted him last term, he kept his word on asset sales. But if National include an allowance in the MOM bill for greater than 49% stakeholding through non-voting shares I can’t see it being anything other than a breach of agreement.

John Key’s word, National’s written agreement, and United Future’s pledges, need to be reflected in the legislation. Or I have a major problem with it.

The cabinet “loophole” leaves asset sales 49% ownership at risk.
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April 18, 2012 8:05am
fish_boy

Looks like John Key is up to his elbows in a corruption scandal – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10799699 – basically initiating a very dodgy deal that involves selling the law of New Zealand to a corporate gambling entity.

When you have gambling, prostitute and corrupt politicians are never far behind.
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April 18, 2012 8:19am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/gps-for-the-soul-a-killer-app-for-better-living/

“…I’m delighted to announce that HuffPost, along with a great team of partners, is at work on an app we call “GPS for the Soul,” – projected to launch in June.

The philosophy behind it is based on two truths about human beings.

First, that we all have within us a centered place of wisdom, harmony, and balance.

This truth is embraced by a vast range of the world’s religions (“The Kingdom of Heaven is within”) and philosophies.

And whether or not we believe in the existence of the soul – we’ve all experienced times in which we’re fully connected with ourselves.

“Give me a place to stand and I will move the world,” said the Greek mathematician Archimedes.

It’s a great way of saying that when we come from that centered place within ourselves – nothing is impossible.

The second truth is that we’re all going to veer away from that place, again and again and again.

That’s the nature of life.

In fact, we may be off-course more often than we are on-course.

So what we need is a great course-correcting mechanism — a GPS for the Soul –

– because otherwise the consequences can be serious, in terms of our health, our relationships, our jobs, and even our country.

We have no shortage of examples of smart leaders making terrible decisions.

It’s not from lack of I.Q. – but lack of wisdom.

The faster we can course-correct the fewer negative consequences there will be.

Plotinus, another philosopher (this time Roman, not Greek), said that “knowledge has three degrees — opinion, science, illumination.”

The first he wrote we get from sense – the second from dialectic –

– and the third, illumination – comes from intuition.

The hyper-connectedness allowed – actually, demanded – by the Internet –

– which has made the first two types of knowledge very easy to come by – has also taken us further away from that illumination, or wisdom, or intuition –

– or whatever you want to call it that is so essential to living a fulfilling and meaningful life…”

(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 18, 2012 8:20am
Sonny Blount

Jennifer Colosi runs a San Francisco executive search firm with a concentration in finance. Here’s what she wrote in to say about our analysis of the persistent female-male wage gap:

Agreed with all you wrote about wage gaps between women and men.
Why yes, women do love kids!
You are exactly right — a higher wage isn’t as important to some women — because it comes at a “household” cost.
If I could add this non-scientific but beyond anecdotal research:
I’ve called hundreds of women for executive roles in carrying out searches for our clients. They simply say “No thanks.” Perhaps they are a single parent and the current role is 20 minutes from home, and the one I’m calling about is 50 minutes to an hour away. And these are executive roles.
They say “no thanks” because they are unable to travel or commit the hours for the job that would move their careers further upward. To take that “exceptional” role.
I call it: “Why very good is better than exceptional.” They have roles that are “very good” that also allow them to be closer to picking up kids, etc. One possibility is that many women will just always have more responsibilities at home even in two earner households. Someone told me Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook wrote about this as well.
That’s not changing soon. I don’t fault them for this choice.
I do resent the media making companies out as if they are not doing enough to hire senior women. Our clients would love to hire them….if only they’d say “yes.” Clients say, “You must have these candidates in your back pocket.” The response is, “Why yes, we do. And they will talk to me. But very good is good enough, thank you.”
Women and men are different…..and it should stay that way!

http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/04/17/one-womans-view-of-the-female-wage-gap/
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April 18, 2012 8:37am
Keeping Stock

Australian companies are transferring jobs TO New Zealand; just wait for the howls of outrage from the Left because the wages are lower than across the ditch, and not worth getting off the benefit for:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/swimming-against-tide.html

If there’s one commodity that we do need it’s jobs, so this is welcome good news.
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April 18, 2012 8:40am
Other_Andy

@fish_boy

You might not like the casino deal. Fine, good on you.
But, calling this corruption goes way over the top.
You do know what corruption means, don’t you?
Does Key (Or National) benefit financially from this deal?
And…..
Was the ETS deal with Maori also corruption?
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April 18, 2012 8:41am
fish_boy

The prime minister has effectively solicited a bribe with an offer to change the law.

[DPF: Don’t be silly. Key benefits nothing from the Sky City deal. However around 1,800 people gain a job if the convention centre is built]
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April 18, 2012 8:44am
Nookin

Question time:

Would it spice up our justice system if, occasionally, a judge tweeted that an accused should get the death penalty mid-way through the trial a la Norway?

When will Rachel Smalley learn that UK currency is not dollars and cents?

Will Liane Dalziel ever say anything positive about anyone involved in the Recovery?

Can anyone other than Patrick Gower make you nod off to sleep when talking about NZ’s involvement in the tallest building in the southern hemisphere?

How many times did Dalziel contradict herself this morning on TV3?

And the where’s Wally question is

Dalziel said that Brownlee is the “self-styled” recovery tsar. On what specific day and in what specific manner did Brownlee say he was the recovery tsar or did Dalziel make it up?
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April 18, 2012 8:46am
Keeping Stock

Not so fish_boy; the PM is trying (perhaps misguidedly) to increase jobs for New Zealanders, with a small trade-off in terms of an increase in Sky City’s pokie numbers. As Other_Andy says, you may not like it, but calling it “corruption” is just hyperbole. “Corruption” is personally benefitting from something illegal, like Phillip Field did.
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April 18, 2012 8:47am
MT_Tinman

fish_boy (23) Says:
April 18th, 2012 at 8:19 am

When you have gambling, prostitute and corrupt politicians are never far behind.

Hell yeah!

The number of whores and pollies hanging around the local TAB have to be seen to be believed.
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April 18, 2012 8:51am
wreck1080

I don’t think we need more gambling in this country.

Gambling creates a money go-round , taking from the poorest who then need government money to live, which when received gets gambled instead of buying food for their hungry children.
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April 18, 2012 8:52am
Nookin

fish_boy

You really don’t get it do you. The government changes the law to help commerce on a regular basis. Sometimes it’s generic. Sometimes it’s specific. This announcement was wholly transparent. A law change would produce a convention centre that would not otherwise occur and create 1000 jobs in construction. Well done Key.
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April 18, 2012 8:52am
Put it away

fish boy you mong, building a facility that benefits the country and creates 1800 jobs is not a bribe, its a good deal.
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April 18, 2012 8:54am
Other_Andy

UK ‘could become one of world’s biggest shale gas producers’

Britain may have enough offshore shale gas to catapult it into the top ranks of global producers, energy experts now believe, and while production costs are still very high, technology should eventually make reserves commercially viable.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9209946/UK-could-become-one-of-worlds-biggest-shale-gas-producers.html

New Zealand also has large reserves of gas, oil and coal.
Better vote ‘green’.
We like high energy prices and we don’t want to be energy self-sufficient.
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April 18, 2012 8:58am
Lipo

Did anyone see those 2 idiot women on Campbell Live complaining that they had spent 8 years studying for a job that no one wants them for or does not exist?
No comments on the show about perhaps looking at the labour market before running off and spending all that time and effort on useless degrees and doctorates.
Good reason why NZ is rooted as we are producing the wrong type of graduates
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April 18, 2012 9:03am
philu

well..ya see..k.s…the whole neo-lib/randite-beliefs key is putting into practice are in themselves ‘corrupt’..

..in that they have as their goal the transferance of wealth to the 1%/elites..from the rest of us..

..basically..class-theft..

..and he/they don’t give a flying fuck about the social outcomes/poverty/3rd world diseases etc..their ‘corrupt’ policies create..

..their beliefs in the vile-rantings of ayn rand make them immune to such twitches of basic humanity..

..they just don’t fucken ‘care’…

..this pokie deal is just the pimple on the boil on the carbunkle that is this crony-capitalist/sleazy/’corrupt’ government..

..corruption has many faces…it isn’t all just used-notes in grubby envelopes…

..but you know that..k.s…

..yr ingenueness is just an attempt to help plug the leaks from this supperating -bag-of-corruption..

(and funny story..!..did you know that the elites/1% call the poor-righties who cluster around them like flies around fresh shit..

..and are more than happy to be used/walked-over..do service..

..they call them ‘doormats’..

..are you one of their ‘doormats’ there..k.s…eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 18, 2012 9:03am
Other_Andy

@fish_boy

I you want to argue the deal use wreck1080 argument.
You can agree or disagree with him but at least his one is valid.
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April 18, 2012 9:06am
Pete George

Did anyone see those 2 idiot women on Campbell Live complaining that they had spent 8 years studying

The only paper they must have missed doing was Job Prospects 101.
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April 18, 2012 9:07am
Other_Andy

Somebody (Chris Trotter) has rattled Cam’s cage.
Like a red rag to a bull, he won’t let go of the meatworkers Union.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/04/going-backwards-at-the-meatworkers-union/
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April 18, 2012 9:10am
Put it away

Any degree should help you get jobs, the fact that you are capable of doing the work is as important as the specific knowledge. Shit, some people even employ sociologists.
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April 18, 2012 9:24am
hmmokrightitis

Other-Andy…

There is a smell about the unions, and, from my office not far down the road where the EPMU has there office, I can sense a degree of puckering going on. Couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of people. I certainly hope that if there has been corruption, its discovered and bought into the open. The hypocrisy will make non-payment of taxes very small beer indeed – and go straight to the heart of the labour party.

Pass the popcorn…
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April 18, 2012 9:25am
Sonny Blount

Marcus Lush this morning stated that Anders Breveiks testimony was not broadcast so as not to provide fuel for neo-conservatives.

This reveals huge bias as Lush should know what a neo-conservative is as a journalist. The constant reference to Breivek as a right winger is persistent and rather distastful. It is not the key issue of the tragedy and shows a lack of understanding of what constitutes right wing as freedom of immigration is more in line with free market principles.
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April 18, 2012 9:30am
Brian Smaller

The original judge was right. This guys makes me laugh. Well, he will make me laugh when he gets a more fitting punishment and we can publically say his name.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6762557/Comedian-faces-resentencing-on-sex-charge
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April 18, 2012 9:36am
mikenmild

I think the name suppression will remain to protect the victim.
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April 18, 2012 9:56am
bereal

A Daniel come to Justice.

High Court Justice Gilbert has overturned the verdict in the case of the comedian who indecently
assulted his 4 year old daughter.

Totally iincompetant Judge Phillipa Cunningham origionally discharged him without conviction
because he “was funny and made people laugh.”

This funny man has been sent back to the District Court for re sentencing.

Hopefully, by a competant Judge.

Does anyone feel Judge Phillipa Cunningham should resign ?
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April 18, 2012 9:57am
bereal

Hi there mikenmild,

Yesterday when the subject of muslim immigration came up you made the statement
that, “Many western european countries have benefitted hugely from muslim immigration.”

i asked you, which countries, and how had they benefitted hugely ?

Maybe you didn’t see my question.

Maybe you could cite just one western european country that has benefitted from importing muslims
and tell us how you feel that they benefitted hugely.

Thanks.
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April 18, 2012 10:17am
Leaping Jimmy

A rather brilliant summary of what’s wrong with the mentality of those who today see all Muslims as terrorists and the US as merely and simply reacting to unjustified threats from insane aggressive “ragheads…”

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2012/04/us-where-is-justice/#

Honestly the level of useful idiocy throughout the entire western world on this subject is just mind-boggling. It’s a shame those people who constitute the vast majority of citizens in said western world, don’t realise that on this subject, they’re the ones who currently are being “fooled, some of the time.” Given the level of information out there which points to the real and actual truth of the matter, it’s just mind-boggling how many people simply don’t even bother to analyse it. And it has nothing to do with intelligence or lack of. This guy talks about how it took 2 years for even his own lawyers to turn their thinking around on this issue. But seriously, those with this attitude are the ones responsible for the death and destruction of innocent lives. If it weren’t for you, politicians would not be able to destroy Libya, Syria, Iran, Israel, etc. For the people who do this are few, and we are many, and all it takes is an awakening for the whole thing to be stopped in its tracks.

To me it’s so, so obvious what’s going on and always has been. It’s a long shot, but how about this question which may get through to a few people and start them on a journey.

In the first minute or so of this video, it mentions that Rumsfeld announced there was $1.3 trillion dollars missing from the US Defence budget on Sep 10, 2001. The plane that hit the Pentagon the next day did an extremely complex terminal maneuver as seen on the radar track, and hit the very office investigating that missing trillion. The maneuver was beyond the ability of the person claimed to be flying it. Of course the missing trillion was never mentioned again. This is one of literally hundreds of amazing “coincidences” on that day. Believing the official story on 911 is like believing Alice in Wonderland really happened.

Of course it hurts the heart to imagine the US govt hasn’t told the whole truth. Of course it does. Notice I said the heart not the head. This is about emotion. Refusing to believe the US govt could have possibly lied to us over 911 is an emotional position, not a logical one. You think it’s logical, but it’s not. If it was logical, then go through that entire 5 min video and logically account for every single issue that it raises and there are about 40 issues in that 5 mins it touches on. Do that calmly and logically. You can’t. I’ll tell you now. There is no logic on Earth that accounts for all the issues raised in that 5 min segment being all just accidental coincidences. There is emotion on Earth that accounts for them: “Oh say can you see, by the dawn’s early light…”

All of you people who currently believe the same things this guys lawyers used to believe, are doing so entirely based on emotion. You are. Sorry about that, but you are. So wake up. It’s important that you do, because significant things are happening this year and next that will change your world, seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MmbPh3u7_q0
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April 18, 2012 10:30am
Fletch

Top 10 reasons Obama will lose the election –

The working assumption, in the modern media, is that Obama simply cannot lose his reelection bid. Obviously, they want “The One” to be around for two. While their ever-present and sometimes intense rooting for him will certainly help Obama, there are a host of reasons why Obama will lose. Here’s a list:

1. Obama’s Shrinking Coalition. Obama was only elected with 52.9% of the vote. That is a slim majority. Since taking office he has shrunk that coalition by fighting with Americans. Here are some of the ways he did that:

a. He alienated most of what little Republican support he had with the Stimulus Bill;
b. He alienated support in energy related states by shutting down the Gulf after the BP spill, rejecting the Keystone pipeline, and imposing part of Cap & Trade through the EPA after it failed in Congress, including his draconian new rules for the coal industry;
c. He alienated law and order folks by wanting to try foreign combatants in American Courts;
d. He alienated many religious minded voters, including Catholic Bishops (no easy task) with his mandated contraception insurance coverage rules; and
e. He alienated voters who care about the Constitution, or at least our governmental balance with ObamaCare, his imposition of Czars and other rather undemocratic ways of he is pushing his policies on the American voter.
Also, Obama’s current strategy of pitting Americans against one another is a complete reversal of his 2008 strategy of wanting to unite people and is an admission that his prior coalitions have fallen apart.

2. The Enthusiasm Gap. Rabid support on the Left has dropped for Obama. To them, Obama is not as “pure” as they would like. That drop off is not an unusual effect for a sitting President. Beyond that, in 2008, enthusiasm was greatly in favor of the Democrats, yet Obama only got to 52.9% of the vote. In the 2010 midterm elections, the enthusiasm advantage was held by Republicans to great effect. The same dynamic will hold true this year even if not to the same degree.

3. ObamaCare’s Impending Supreme Defeat. ObamaCare has never been popular with voters. Since it was imposed on voters, a majority of Americans have been against it and by a 3 to 1 margin they have been against the individual mandate. If and when the Supreme Court overturns it, voters will be happy it is gone and Obama will be tagged with a major and embarrassing election year defeat.

4. Obama has raised Taxes and is Campaigning to Do it Again. In over 20 ways, including Obamacare, Obama has raised taxes against far more than those making over $250,000. He will let the Bush tax cuts expire and he is actively campaigning for tax increases. The last 8 Presidential winners have campaigned for tax cuts – as Obama did 4 years ago. No winners in the last 8 have campaigned for tax increases.

5. The Deficit is Too High for Reelection. The deficit is over a trillion dollars per year and is expected to be so for some time. National debt has risen to the top of polling concerns of Americans. Bush 41, despite an improving economy that was growing over 4% per year on Election Day, lost his reelection because Ross Perot made the deficit such a huge issue. Although the deficit alone does not hold center stage in this election, it certainly is dragging down Obama’s approval numbers.

6. Unemployment too High for a Reelection. We haven’t reelected a President, since the Great Depression, with unemployment above 7.2%. It is above 8% now and recent figures give every indication it may go higher. Further, the number of Americans that have dropped out of the workforce/looking for a job is at an all-time high. Reagan was reelected despite what was then a high rate because unemployment had dropped from 10.8% 23 months earlier to 7.2% by Election Day. Obama can show no such progression. Indeed, some economists expect it to rise in the short run.

7. Obama’s Leadership Deficit: He Has No Plans for our Major Problems & Blames Others. Devoid of a good economic record and despite enacting or imposing all of his policies, Obama continues to blame others for America’s problems. That is decidedly un-presidential after 4 years. Worse, he has no clear plans to deal with the future. No plan to deal with unemployment, no clear plans to deal with the deficit (other than raising tax rates – bad idea), no clear plans to deal with high gas prices, no clear plans to deal with rising health care premiums, etc. Leadership is about vision, plans, the ability to execute on those two and the ability to get voters to support them and help you. Without clear plans, voters won’t back Obama after 4 years of economic trouble. Fool me once . . .

8. Consumer Confidence is too low for a Reelection. We haven’t reelected a president or his party in the television age with Consumer Confidence Index, as measured by The Conference Board, below 100. Right now it is at 70. Although it was improving earlier this year from around 60 a year ago, higher gas prices have begun to choke off the economy and the unemployment picture is and will be impacted by our slowing economy. Gas prices will rise again this summer further impacting Consumer Confidence. As a result, it will be nearly impossible for Consumer Confidence to get anywhere near 100. It may not get to 80. So for Obama to win, the last two reason (unemployment and consumer confidence) would have to be ignored in historic fashion.

9. Republicans will Rise from Here. The end of a tough primary fight is usually the low point for the out party. Republican on Republican or Democrat on Democrat can be quite negative because the policy differences between the two are usually small and therefore to make a difference, candidates get personal. Once it becomes Republican on Democrat, policy differences can take center stage. In this case, it will move from Republican infighting to Obama’s record. That’s a stage on which Republicans can win.

10. A Simple, Practical Presidential Election. It is true; this is the most important election in a generation. From ObamaCare, to the economy, the next Supreme Court appointment, to Iran, there is a lot on the line. Even so, it will not be a complicated election. Romney can campaign rather easily with practical solutions:

a. Obama won’t let Keystone be built, I will;
b. Obama won’t repeal ObamaCare, I will;
c. Obama’s budget leads to more deficits; I will cut the deficit;
d. Obama will continue to raise your taxes; I will clean up the tax code.

In the final analysis, people will do two things this fall: (1) ask if they are better off than 4 years ago and (2) cast a vote for their future. Statistically, voters are not better off – whether that is based on employment figures or loss in wealth including dramatic drops in home owner equity. Psychologically, they are not better off either. Over 2/3rds say we are headed in the wrong direction (reason #11).

After 4 years of that, voters want direction not excuses – a plan not vague promises. Obama has never given an agenda to the American people – he just enforces his agenda many times over their objections. Romney, by contrast, will provide a clear and practical path forward. In times of trouble, people want someone with a plan – all of which means that Romney can win this election – even decisively.

http://bit.ly/IUHtiL
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April 18, 2012 11:02am
MikeG

“[DPF: Don’t be silly. Key benefits nothing from the Sky City deal. However around 1,800 people gain a job if the convention centre is built]”
Nothing like a bit of exaggeration to try and make a bad story look better – Sky City themselves are only saying 800 jobs once the centre is up and running, and do not say what the mix is between full and part time jobs. 900 construction jobs has also been mentioned, but these will have stopped by the time the 800 previously mentioned get started.

John Key is also trying to turn a conscience vote on gambling into an economic debate – such is the thinking of a party that is only focussed on money and not real outcomes for real people.
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April 18, 2012 1:29pm
cha

The final curtain is being drawn on the great Levon Helm.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/levon-helms-cancer-battle-in-final-stages/
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April 18, 2012 1:39pm
publicwatchdog

URGENT!! SEEN THIS?

PRESS RELEASE: TAMAKI HOUSING GROUP

“Brutality used to enforce Housing Minister Phil Heatley’s Northern Glen Innes land grab.”

“It’s an appalling state of affairs when a large contingency of Police are used to enforce a Government policy to privatise State Housing stock,” says Tamaki Housing Group Media Spokesperson Sue Henry.

“There were a number of serious casualities at the disgusting fiasco at the Silverton Ave address in Glen Innes North last night. There have been accounts of serious injuries to onlookers including the hospitalisation of a female State Housing tenant.”

The Tamaki Housing Group want an immediate moratorium on any further demolition or removals of State Housing stock.

“Where is the mandate and upon what lawful basis are any of these state housing assets being removed?” asks Sue Henry.

“Tonight an urgent meeting of the community has been called at 5.30pm, outside the Glen Innes Public Library (108 Line Rd Glen Innes) to help save our Housing State assets, and defend our basic human rights to peaceful protest and freedom of expression.”

http://www.aucklandcitylibraries.com/aboutthelibraries/locationsandhours/gleninnes.aspx
Contact: Sue Henry
Ph (09) 575 634
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Forwarded in the public interest by Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
waterpressure@gmail.com
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April 18, 2012 1:48pm
graham

Penny, I really don’t have time to respond to you properly, although I am sure someone else will, but here’s a clue.

Who actually OWNS the state houses?

Here’s another clue: Not the tenants. They RENT them, for as long as the provider is willing to provide them.
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April 18, 2012 1:54pm
Fletch

cha, Robin Gibb is on his last legs too. In a coma. That will leave Barry as the sole Bee Gee. Funny how sometimes it is the younger siblings that die off first. eg, Brian Wilson is still alive, while his younger brothers Dennis and Carl are both dead…
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April 18, 2012 1:55pm
cha

Sad alright Fletch and I’m going to watch “Only Halfway Home” this evening.
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April 18, 2012 2:04pm
Nookin

Here is a more balanced view of what happened in Silverton Ave. Again, we get an hysterically jaundiced depiction from Penny. Looks look a good deal all round. A significant increase in housing and upgrades of state houses.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6763835/Glenn-Innes-housing-protest-arrests
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April 18, 2012 2:05pm
Keeping Stock

Phillip Ure asks

..are you one of their ‘doormats’ there..k.s…eh..?

No Phil; I work for a living; unlike some who I could mention.
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April 18, 2012 2:16pm
meh

Nookin, and surprise surprise John Minto was there was well being his usual pain in the @rse self…
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April 18, 2012 2:21pm
Lee01

Supposedly the Police gave terrorist supporting commie wanker John Minto the bash. The only problem I have with this affair is that I was not there to watch and munch some popcorn 🙂
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April 18, 2012 2:28pm
Keeping Stock

@ graham: game, set and match. Well played Sir.
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April 18, 2012 2:30pm
philu

“..
..are you one of their ‘doormats’ there..k.s…eh..?

No Phil; I work for a living; unlike some who I could mention…”

working..or lack of it..has nothing to do with the question..

..if you are with them..but are not one of them..

..you are by definition..’a doormat’..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 18, 2012 2:45pm
Nookin

Can we export Sue Bradford to Georgia?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/6762749/Police-handcuff-tantrum-throwing-six-year-old
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April 18, 2012 3:32pm
mikenmild

I see this wannabe has ended up admitting wearing medals to which he was not entitled:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6764522/Ex-RSA-head-wore-medals-he-wasn-t-entitled-to
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April 18, 2012 5:34pm
bereal

Hi mikenmild. (again)

i assume you saw my post at 10,17 today and guess that you’re working on a response.
Maybe i missundersestimated you. (Thks GWB)

But, like i said, i do credit you and i know that you are not one to dodge a straight question.

You’re not one to just post stuff that feelsgood to you and sounds P.C. enough and have no back up, are you ?

So.
Do you have a response to my question yesterday and repeated today @ 10.17 or do you resile from your statement ?

After all mate, i’m only questioning a statement you made, nothing nebulous.

You made a statement as if it were a fact.

Either you can back your self up with some reasons or…………..?
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April 18, 2012 5:56pm
Yvette

Penny

Have you seen this?

Act MP John Banks is being accused of not following the rules in his 2010 bid to win the Auckland Super City mayoralty.
Labour MP Grant Robertson used the protection of Parliamentary privilege to accuse Mr Banks of not declaring a $15,000 donation he received from SkyCity Casino towards his mayoral campaign.
He said SkyCity has said it gave $15,000 to both main candidates in the 2010 election and has a policy of asking candidates to declare such donations.
Mr Robertson said Mr Banks did not declare receiving such an amount in his election returns.
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10797005

SkyCity wants more cashless gambling machines that are banned in other casinos in the country as part of a deal with the Government in exchange for investing $350 million in a national convention centre.
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ticket machines can allow gamblers:
• To dissociate themselves from the reality of gambling by not using “real” money.
• Gamble uninterrupted for long periods.
• Increase gambling credits by $500 a time, rather than the $20 cash limit.
• Be less likely to be identified as problem gamblers by casino staff.
“…cashless systems are associated with the most harmful and widespread form of gambling and they are likely to exacerbate problem gambling behaviours.”
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10799166

As John Banks if he is still a Christian.
Place no stumbling block in the path of a brother – Romans 14:13
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April 18, 2012 6:06pm
mikenmild

bereal
Sorry, didn’t see your question earlier.
You asked which countries had benefitted hugely from Muslim immigration. I must admit this was somewhat of a flippant statement, as there is no evidence that they haven’t. Immigration is a problematic issue in many countries, including NZ but I haven’t seen anything to justify the scare stories along the lines of ‘we’re heading for the same disasters as Europe’, for the simple reason that I see no disasters in Europe from immigration and the embracing of multiculturalism.
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April 18, 2012 6:18pm
big bruv

I really must take a trip out to Tamaki to see Penny and the rest of her left wing parasites lose their battle against the removal of state houses.

With a bit of luck I might even see one or two of them get arrested.
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April 18, 2012 6:35pm
nasska

BB

With Minto & Water Woman in attendance you might see some “brutality”, a few “serious casualties”, a “hospitalisation” or two, not to mention “serious injuries to onlookers”.

Gird your loins & send back pictures if you see a mad woman with a couple of dead cats wrapped round her head in the thick of it.
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April 18, 2012 7:00pm
Sam Hill

Pop Quiz: Where did National hold their last two election night parties?

http://nzsentinel.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/nationalconventioncenter/
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April 18, 2012 7:02pm
bereal

Dear mikenmild,
Thankyou for replying.
However.
Do you see that you repeat the age old problem ?

Conjure with this…..

i didn’t ask you,’ Which countries had benefitted from muslim immigration……………..’

Typical to your type you have tried to scew it around.

As usual..
You address a question that wasn’t asked.

This is a pathetic tactic mate. why not try and be honest ?
Cut the smart shit, come to the point .

you said many western european countries have benefitted hugely from muslim immigration.

i asked you, “Which countries, and why ?”

Now i give you credit for some integrity so i’ll ask you once again.

Which countries, and why ?
i’ll cut it down to even, “one country and why ?”

just to give you a fighting chance.
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April 18, 2012 7:35pm
Yvette

you said many western european countries have benefitted hugely from muslim immigration.
i asked you, “Which countries, and why ?”

Try – Which century?
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April 18, 2012 7:46pm
bereal

Hey ,one and all.

waiting for a response from mikenmild…in the meantime

maybe his mate Luc Hansen can weigh in with a red herring.

Lets see..
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April 18, 2012 7:48pm
Pauleastbay

I was at the local pool last Saturday and went down to the deep end for a sneaky leak, well the life guard must have seen me because he blew his whistle that loudly I bloody near fell in.
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April 18, 2012 7:48pm
Johnboy

Hell PEB haven’t you learned yet.

Shortarsed jokers like you just need to wear longer togs and it’s no worries! 🙂
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April 18, 2012 7:53pm
Johnboy

When I was a child, I swam at a pool that had the sign

“Welcome to our _OOL, Notice there is no “P” in it. We’d like to keep it that way”.
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April 18, 2012 8:07pm
Johnboy

Little Paul is approached by the lifeguard at the public swimming pool.
“You`re not allowed to pee in the pool,” said the lifeguard. “I`m going to report you.”
“But everyone pees in the pool,” said Paul.
“Maybe,” said the lifeguard, “but not from the diving board!”
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April 18, 2012 8:10pm
Swifty

cha 1.39pm.

Thanks.
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April 18, 2012 8:21pm
Viking2

Oh and I see the Aotea centre now needs a new roof at $10 million. Are you going to raise the funds for the Penny?
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April 18, 2012 8:24pm
RF

Yah!!! Bring back the Minto bar. The ugly tosser.
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April 18, 2012 8:28pm
Steve

Come on Johnboy, PEBs joke was weak as piss but funny in a real mild way.
edit,
nope it was slack
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April 18, 2012 8:29pm
Steve

V2
Penny has never paid a cent for anything.

Oh joke without trying, nope it was slack.

I and Auckland RATEPAYERS will pay for the stupid bitch
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April 18, 2012 8:33pm
Johnboy

Just thought it was time for some swimming pool jokes Steve.

Hell dumb Irishmen, Maoris and Sheepshaggers have been done to death! 🙂
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April 18, 2012 8:34pm
Steve

A papa mole, a mama mole, and a baby mole,
all live together in a little mole hole.

One day, papa mole sticks his head
out of the hole, sniffs the air and said,
‘ Yummy! I smell maple syrup!’

The mama mole sticks her head out of the hole,
sniffs the air and said, ‘Oh, Yummy! I smell honey!’

Now baby mole is trying to stick his head
out of the hole to sniff the air, but can’t
because the bigger moles are in the way.
This makes him whine, ‘Geez, all I can smell is….

MOL ASSES !

Beat that PEB,
Oh I’m sorry, sad arsed joke night for me
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April 18, 2012 8:38pm
Johnboy

If PEB was a real man he would have done this in the pool!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th_aBzrV37M

🙂
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April 18, 2012 8:40pm
nasska

If you’re wondering what your girlfriend would look like as a blow up doll…

Just watch her put on mascara.
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April 18, 2012 8:45pm
Steve

Johnboy.
the messege is ‘we won, you lost, eat shit’ yeah
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April 18, 2012 8:49pm
Johnboy

Do you put mascara on your Realdoll nasska?

I just use vet approved dyes on my Realsheep! 🙂
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April 18, 2012 8:53pm
big bruv

nasska

“With Minto & Water Woman in attendance you might see some “brutality”, a few “serious casualties”, a “hospitalisation” or two, not to mention “serious injuries to onlookers”.

One can only hope……how do we ensure that Phool is there as well?
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April 18, 2012 9:07pm
nasska

Johnboy

How very humane of you. I understand that a light rinse of pink spraymarker die with a touch of pale Tordon has quite a sensual affect.
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April 18, 2012 9:07pm
big bruv

Johnboy

You shag sheep in Wainui now?

I thought that was still a Canterbury thing?
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April 18, 2012 9:08pm
krazykiwi

From the Telegraph: Benny Peiser: It’s True – There’s A Real Danger That Fracking Will Cause A Major Boom

The impact of the government’s shale gas endorsement could be dramatic for Britain’s energy policy.

A REPORT commissioned by the government and released yesterday has given the green light to the extraction of shale gas. The report concludes that hydraulic fracturing (fracking), a technology that pumps water and chemicals underground to fracture shale formations in order to release trapped gas, is safe but requires tight regulation and seismic monitoring.

The impact of the government’s endorsement could be dramatic for Britain’s energy policy. According to estimates of the International Energy Agency, globally there is enough natural gas for the next 120 years at current rates of consumption. Supplies of unconventional gas could provide us with this cheap and relatively clean energy for another 250 years or more. Energy crisis? What energy crisis?

120 years ago we had no cars, radio, flight, computers, TV, heart surgery, refigeration, internet, computers. Given our spectacular track record of innovation, does anyone really believe that 120 years from now that gas will run out and the lights go off?

Well, the Greens do. But that’s because they believe seeding apocalyptic fear is a mechanism to gain control of you today.
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April 18, 2012 9:10pm
nasska

BB

Perhaps an anonymous email directing him to a marijuana festival with free vegetarian salad sandwiches could be the bait needed to lure him to Tamaki.
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April 18, 2012 9:10pm
Johnboy

Especially when enhanced by the lovely red and blue flashing strobes of the vice squad car nasska during an autumn sunset on Wainui Mountain! 🙂
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April 18, 2012 9:12pm
nasska

A man walks into an upmarket Christchurch restaurant. The waiter comes up to him and politely asks:
“Hello Sir. What would you like?”
“Can I please have the spit-roasted lamb?”
“Very good sir. Now how would you like the lamb to be cooked?”
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April 18, 2012 9:13pm
Johnboy

Follow the champions BB!

Always been my motto. 🙂
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April 18, 2012 9:14pm
Johnboy

We don’t spray them red and black here though, we go for green and black instead! 🙂
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April 18, 2012 9:16pm
big bruv

Johnboy

Yeah, well don’t get carried away, as far as I know it is not yet compulsory to marry your Sister in Wainui as it is in Canterbury.
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April 18, 2012 9:17pm
Johnboy

Thank G_d for that. Most us in Wainui tend to marry our Mums. They can cook better than our Sisters! 🙂
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