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April 16, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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toad

@Falafulu Fisi 8:39 pm

I am not suggesting Julie Anne is qualified as a transport engineer. I am talking about planning what should happen, and the costs and benefits of the various options.

The technical aspects are best left to engineers, who will no have extensive input into the costings required to do the cost-benefit analyses that go to politicians for decisions.
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April 16, 2012 8:48pm
Leaping Jimmy

roads (that depreciate in value as assets and have huge maintenance costs)

You mean our country would have been a lot wealthier if we’d never built any roads at all toad and instead we had to battle through native bush to get from town to town?

Is this what you guys talk about at your local Gween planning and stwategy sessions?

If so, it doesn’t sound very good to me, but perhaps you could enlighten us as to your economic wisdom on this matter. Perhaps phil could jump in as well, since he’s a Gweenie too, I understand. It would appear you need all the help you can muster on this one toad.

Go ahead mate. We’re all ears.

(Well, I am, anyway.)
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April 16, 2012 8:50pm
philu

so..in summary…you watched six seconds of the vid-evidence..

..and you relied on yr crap site..

..and when called on that..you just insult/ad-hom..

..have i missed anything..?

..nothing like a mind so firmly closed..eh..?

..’six seconds’..eh..?

..are you sure you don’t have a phobia about idea-infection..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 16, 2012 8:50pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Yvette (1,724) Says:
‘April 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Prime Minister John Key is backing further action taken by ACC Minister Judith Collins.
Labour MP Trevor Mallard – who along with fellow MP Andrew Little and Radio New Zealand has been threatened with a defamation suit by Collins – today said he had received another letter from her over the matter … setting a new deadline of this Thursday for an apology.

Does anyone have a clue as to what Mallard or Little actually said, or what RNZ reported?
It’s a little like name-suppression.’

I don’t. Though Judith has first of all pushed forward, particularly in the media only to become silent on the matter unless I’m mistaken.
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April 16, 2012 8:52pm
philu

does evidence ever change yr mind about anything..?

..or do you already know everything about everything..?

..you watch six seconds..and then set yrslf up as some sort of rebut-er..?

..are you fucken kidding/having a laff..?

..you just show yrslf up as an utter close-minded fool..

..just another braying buffoon..

,,phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 16, 2012 8:54pm
Put it away

Phool, two old discredited lies in the first six seconds is two too many for me. Clearly your standards of honesty are different. And your selection of the best bits shows it’s just the same old stuff that’s been disproved countless times. There’s nothing to be gained by going over it yet again, just because a new idiot has fallen for it.
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April 16, 2012 8:58pm
philu

‘lies’ according to yr bullshit apologist/cover-up-site..

..you won’t even look at evidence…not even the only five minutes i asked..

..you are a fool..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 16, 2012 9:00pm
nasska

LJ @ 8.50

Maybe the Gween agenda doesn’t include road transport. It’s more than possible that we are supposed to sit in our own rice paddies & not travel at all leaving our betters, the Gween leaders to do it for us.

After all we can’t even go back in time & rely on cute little steam trains to move us…..they belch nasty smoke & emit carbon. Electric cars will be out as the increased demand for electric power might require damming a river or three. We could go back to bullock carts but farting cattle will raise methane levels.

Curious thing about the Gweens…..ban this, ban that, reduce the world’s population to about a fifteenth of current muster. All this banning & never a peep about how we live, travel or go forth & divide.
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April 16, 2012 9:04pm
Pete George

bereal, to be frank, lately you’ve been second only to Phil for posting barely readable inane frequently repeated comments here. Most of them referring to Phil, complaining about others exercising their free speech.

Are you in a competition with Phil to see who can piss the most people off? You mightn’t be second on that.
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April 16, 2012 9:05pm
Leaping Jimmy

Yes nasska it’s a twemendous dilemma isn’t it. No animals due to the farting OTOH no animals = no farming so no organics.

What a twemendous conundrum of a pickle.

But no doubt toad’s got it all sorted and he’s furiously typing right now just dashing out all the Gween thinking they’ve been doing all these years on these very issues.

I’d forgotten about their population reduction too. I wonder who’s going to tell all the fuzzy-wuzzies they’re not allowed to live anymore? Let’s hope the Gweens set us an example like true planeteers and go and drown themselves in great migrating herds just so the jungle can live once again, fwee like a bird.

I’d even possibly vote for them if they said they were going to do that.

C’mon toad. Where are you? Crikey. It’s almost as if you DON’T have any answers, but I find that vewy hard to believe…
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April 16, 2012 9:26pm
big bruv

Toad

Why not cut the crap? The Greens are against any roads, you would have us all living in small villages (while destroying the countries economy within two years) and banning all travel.

Even when it is pointed out that cars will soon run on alternative fuels you guys refuse to see the logic of building new roads, you continue to hide behind the lie that you are an environmental party as justification for being against ANY new road.
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April 16, 2012 9:31pm
nasska

LJ

It would be great to have these proposals fleshed out a little. I accept that given the importance of saving the world some of the mundane details of who lives & who dies may be small change to the proponents but some of us are a little curious.

Never mind. As you mentioned Toad will be along to enlighten us any time now.
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April 16, 2012 9:31pm
nasska

Toad

It would be helpful if you could confirm that the NZ Green Party are in step with these overseas spokespeople. If not how do they differ? Thanks.

“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”

Dave Foreman – co-founder of Earth First!

“I don’t claim to have any special interest in natural history, but as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game animals and the need to adjust the cull to the size of the surplus population.”

Prince Philip – preface of Down to Earth

“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”

Ted Turner – founder of CNN and major UN donor

“… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.”

Club of Rome – Goals for Mankind

“One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population,we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.”

Jacques Cousteau – UNESCO Courier

“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license.
All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”

David Brower – first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

From a comment by Other_Andy 14 Apr.
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April 16, 2012 9:36pm
Leaping Jimmy

some of the mundane details of who lives & who dies may be small change to the proponents but some of us are a little curious.

The really amusing thing is that the NWO people, the people who make wars, cause famines, invade Iraq etc, you know, those people, ALSO want population reduction as well. That’s right. The NWO one-world-govt people which lefties really claim to hate seeing as how they’re the one percenters, the “banksters,” the militarists and the warmongers etc etc – well, they want exactly what the Gweens want.

Isn’t that amusing.

Snap nasska. Well done.

Prince Phillip BTW once said he’d like to be reincarnated as a deadly virus. That was a bit of a tell, wasn’t it. I bet he’s toad’s secret hero. Wussell probably has a poster of him on his bedroom wall.
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April 16, 2012 9:41pm
nasska

LJ

You don’t possibly think that the Gweens may be just “useful idiots”?
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April 16, 2012 9:44pm
Leaping Jimmy

No they know exactly what they’re doing nasska. They do really think their voters are useful idiots but they themselves are just cynical pricks in it for the money and for ego reasons and also because deep down they’re nasty little people who have massive envy problems due to some shit that went down when they were young, so they want to pay the rest of society back for their perceived slights.

So they make up any old shit it doesn’t matter what because their voters truly are idiots and they make sure it pulls on the heart strings so the morons in the media don’t see anything wrong with simply repeating it without investigation either.

Then, when they get elected they just ban shit and tax it and then pretend they’re doing it cos they care, which they don’t, far from it.

They’re all nasty slimy creatures who in a perfect world would be eliminated with extreme prejudice at birth.

That’s what I think about the Gweens. Weally. Some people think they’re weally weally nice cawing sort of people but you look at what they say and do and really, nice cawing people, if they really were, would NOT act as the Gweens do. Not even if they were well meaning. The only repeat only one I have any time for whatsoever is Kennedy Graham. The rest are all A-grade poisonous arseholes, without exception.
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April 16, 2012 9:57pm
toad

@nasska 9:36 pm

I can’t speak for the Green Party. But as a member, I don’t support any of those statements you quoted.

Although, on a planet with finite resources, population is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Two options as far as I am concerned:

Encourage contraception and small family size; or

Cull off heaps of people through resource wars, because there won’t be sufficient resources (in particular water and oil) to support the blowout in human population.

I know which one I prefer.
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April 16, 2012 10:04pm
nasska

Toad

Okay, I’ve no problems accepting that you don’t see genocide as an option but some within the Green Party do. A kind person would describe them as barking mad……others such as myself see them as megalomaniacs with God delusions.

I don’t disagree that population control is desirable but to reduce the earth’s population from 7 billion to 500 million in a short timetable would take considerably more drastic measures then distributing condoms.

Some of your lot actually believe it to be desirable. Should you be associating with them?
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April 16, 2012 10:14pm
nasska

LJ

Scary! They walk amongst us & they breed.

The thing that gets me about the Gweens is the divide between the electorate & the party. The Karori housewife votes Green to save native frogs & fluffy Kiwi chicks…..the Gweens take her vote & pretend it’s for socialism & world government.

It’s totally schizophrenic.
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April 16, 2012 10:16pm
Leaping Jimmy

It’s totally schizophrenic.

Not to them nasska. To them, it’s about the cause. Like fanatics everywhere, the Gweens truly believe they really would be the best ones to be entrusted with power because they truly believe they’re the ones with a warm and valid and true heart. Because they truly believe this, they don’t see anything hypocritical about adopting any tactics to advance themselves toward power, such as destroying those billboards during the election, or more recently, destroying those GE trees.

Now the errors in thinking like this are numerous and obvious and one doesn’t need to enumerate, but nevertheless this IS what they think. Its truly disgusting. The worst part is, I strongly suspect they think that conservatives look at politics like this as well. We don’t, of course. But they, I think, think we do. So that makes their aberration quite OK and not abhorrent in any way.

This is of course like the murderer thinking that everyone wants to murder because he does, so he might as well go ahead with it before someone else does it to him.

So it’s not schizophrenic. It has its own logic. It’s totally fucked logic. But its there. I look at it a bit like Swan Lake performed by a bunch of ugly un-co fatties. It’s my own way of hiding the tears whenever I see one of them on the News, being interviewed as if they had the first fucking clue about anything and consuming my precious taxes as if anything they would ever say or do will ever be of any value – it makes me smile weakly, when I think they’re just like fatties trying to do Swan Lake… I have to get something out of it you see, and a weak smile is about the only thing of value I shall ever extract from anything Gween, ever.
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April 16, 2012 10:53pm
Other_Andy

Jeanette Fitzsimons, Rod Donald and Mike Ward, had been active members of the Values Party during the spawning of the New Zealand and international Green movement in 1970s.
The values party appealed especially to elements of the New Left and the party manifest painted a progressive, semi-utopian blueprint for New Zealand’s future as an egalitarian, ecologically sustainable society. Values Party policies included campaigns against nuclear power and armaments, advocating zero population and economic growth, abortion, drug and homosexual law reform.
Interesting is that the ‘Green’ Party was founded in 1990, during the time the Berlin Wall fell and the USSR disintegrated. It is almost as if the left reinvented itself and latched onto another source of support and money.
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April 16, 2012 11:01pm
bereal

Hey Pete George @ 9.05

To be frank… Don’t come the old bullshit of trying to answer a question with a question crap with me mate.

Most readers here will see through that weak shit.

The point was…..as i said @ 7.15

Why would you continue to engage with a piece of shit who mocks you, demeans you, laughs at you,
lives off you, and controls you like you are his puppet. ?
That is the question.

You exercise your free speech as much as you like.
That was not my point as you well know.

My point was…………..

why do you dance to the tune of sumwun who treats you with contempt and like the piece of shit that he is ?
Can’t you see that you are being used ?
A shithead is using you and you are letting it happen ’cause you lack the wit to understand.
Why do that Pete ?

WHY ?

Please don’t reply with another question.
Grow a pair and try and answer me.
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April 16, 2012 11:14pm
Viking2

Oh well easy come easy go.

Iwi loses most of Treaty payout
ROB MAETZIG
Last updated 05:00 17/04/2012

One of Taranaki’s largest private investment projects has gone horribly wrong, losing close to $20 million in a series of high-risk financial ventures.

The loss means Taranaki’s most northern iwi, Ngati Tama, has shed all of a $14.5m Treaty of Waitangi payout it received in 2003.

Shocked iwi members learned of the financial disaster at a hui at Pukearuhe Marae this weekend.

Yesterday Ngati Tama kaumatua Wiremu Matuku opened the iwi’s books in front of the Taranaki Daily News in what they said would be the only time they would speak to the news media over the issue.
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April 17, 2012 6:43am
Pete George

bereal (1,734) Says:
April 16th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

Why would you continue to engage with….

I don’t. I have never “engaged” with him. I mostly ignore him -unlike your obsession with him, I’ve commented about him less often this year (and only a passing comment, never engaging) than you seem to go on about him in one day.

Why would you continue to engage with a piece of shit who mocks you, demeans you, laughs at you,

I had a laugh at that – sounds like you are self describing (minus the expletive), hence I rarely bother to “engage” with you, you are far too often like Phil without the dots. And I suspect you “lack the wit to understand” that.

/engage
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