General Debate 7 March 2012

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hj

“…look at historical average hourly wage statistics which show the real average wage was at its highest in March 1982 when it was $29.97 in June 2011 dollar terms. In June 2011 it was $26.27. The current level of the average wage is about the same as it was in December 1972, yet the output of the economy per person has grown considerably over that time.

Who benefited from the increasing output of the economy if wage and salary earners didn’t? This is shown by the share that employees get of the income the economy generates – the “labour share”. In New Zealand, it fell by a quarter from 60 percent in the early 1980s to a low of 46 percent in 2002. By comparison, Australia’s labour share has been higher than New Zealand’s for most of that time. It has thrived with more of its income going to wage and salary earners. In fact New Zealand has one of the lowest labour shares in the OECD.”

http://union.org.nz/economicbulletin129

and house prices went up, we invested in more and more roads. 80% of population increase came from outside NZ
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March 7, 2012 8:14am
Lance

@hj
WTF minimum wage parity, house prices, the source of NZ population increase and roading all strung together……. and the point is?
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March 7, 2012 8:29am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

CTV Building collapse

Hampton said the five women died as a result of “inept and inadequate or inappropriate” rescue efforts, and an independent inquiry was needed to ensure the mistakes were not repeated in future disasters.

Hampton may have been himself inept and inappropriate in his choice of words at this stage, but for a Royal Commission into the Christchurch earthquake to inquire the collapse of one part of a building and not another part 12 hours later is bizarre, or does the fact that the area Hampton refers to, because of its exclusion as being part of the earthquake and so outside the Commission’s terms of reference, indicate that he is right in suggesting it was man-made error.

The Terms indicate
We are not investigating:
• Any questions of liability
• The earthquake search and rescue effort
• Design, planning or options for rebuilding Christchurch city central business district

so exclusion of Hampton’s area of concern places it it in one or more of these areas?
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March 7, 2012 8:48am
Pete George

Yet if you look in most houses and garages and wardrobes and restaurants the rate of consumption and accumulation of things appears to have changed significantly.
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March 7, 2012 8:50am
tristanb

“An Invercargill child was rushed to hospital with a severe reaction after eating a peach given to him as part of a government initiative.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/6534394/School-peach-puts-boy-10-in-hospital

That John Key – see how evil he is. A full investigation is required.
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March 7, 2012 8:52am
Murray

“What standards does the New Zealand public expect of the news media in the digital age?”

Should that be what do we expect or what do we WANT? Because I expect absolute crap and that’s what I get. That doesn’t make me a satisfied customer whose expectations have been met though.
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March 7, 2012 8:57am
Murray

Charming customers on Iain Lees Galloways facebook: “This prick jonkey jew boy.

Thanks for the heads up on your anti-Semitism Eruera Walker.
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March 7, 2012 9:09am
Pete George

Logan Edgar disses some (but praises most): Otago not for idiots – OUSA president

It’s about promoting that if you act like an idiot, cause damage and make us all look bad, then this isn’t really your place in the world.

But praises most scarfies.

There is a real culture change happening here at Otago. Year on year, student offences have decreased. Students are increasingly dobbing in fellow students for what they themselves are beginning to view as unacceptable behaviour.

Your average scarfie is a law-abiding soul. It turns out that, nationally, the Southern Police District, which includes Dunedin, Otago Rural and Southland, has one of the lowest crime rates in our beloved Aotearoa. Better yet, of the three areas, Dunedin has the lowest total crime per head of population. And the lowest rate of public-order offences.

If you think about the context of 20,000 young people in one place, that tells one hell of a story about how law abiding we basically are.

So while a few idiots make the headlines most of what happens is good here – and can still be fun.
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March 7, 2012 9:17am
Fletch

History of Obama and Israel so far: how Obama has turned his back on Israel and other allies. Very good 30 min film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbH5KVPrPo
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March 7, 2012 9:24am
krazykiwi

Any economists about?

I have a question on the mertis of taxing production(income) vs consumption(spending). Seems to me that the worlds strong or strengthning economices are those that produce stuff, and the ones that are weak or weakening are those that seem to be net consumers.

Now, if a government is supported by my spending, the more I spend the better the immediate GST tax take. However the quality of my spending, and collective the quality of the all private spending may not become apparent for years – ie some later electoral cycle.

My suspicion is that taxing consumption creates an incentive for the government of the day to promote consumption, any consumption irrespective of whether that consuption create value, or wastefully disipates value.

What am I missing here? Any takers?
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March 7, 2012 9:47am
wreck1080

Ports of Auckland sacked all it’s striking workers….

Woohoo, times will be fun.

Workers let down by their union big time.
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March 7, 2012 9:53am
dime

300 morons sacked. welcome to the real world.
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March 7, 2012 10:05am
David Garrett

Wreck: Is that right? I believe the expression is “break out the popcorn”…If Key has the intestinal fortitude of Sid Holland we might get another centre right government next time after all…
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March 7, 2012 10:05am
David Garrett

And the sub-headline in New Zealand’s “journal of record”? “300 ordinary working families lose job security”…which when you read the article turns out to be a quote from Mr Parsloe…Once upon a time the Herald would have put that headline in quotes (there are still plenty of us out here who know what quotation marks mean) to make it clear it was someone else speaking, and not the paper…I used to think this “the MSM is dead as a news source ” stuff was hyperbole from Whale and others….it is becoming increasinly obvious it is in fact spot on…
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March 7, 2012 10:15am
wreck1080

Well, it is the unions who refused to reform work practices. The unions should have shown more foresight and they could have negotiated a better outcome for the workers than what has happened now.

Dime is a bit harsh, the ‘workers’ are not morons, it is the union representatives who are the morons.
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March 7, 2012 10:20am
Lance

@Wreck1080

Or is it that the union knows exactly what they are doing and want to make martyrs of the hapless watersiders to suit their own political ends?
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March 7, 2012 10:24am
krazykiwi

Industrial action spreading to another port

Industrial action on Auckland’s waterfront is spreading to Christchurch with workers at the Lyttelton port planning to refuse to work on a container ship.

I wonder if these 300 non-workers are aware of their northern counterparts’ plight?
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March 7, 2012 10:26am
kowtow

Talking of workers , union reps and morons can some one tell me if they make decisions based on open, show of hands voting?
That’s how it appears in news broadcasts anyway.
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March 7, 2012 10:27am
Peter

The People: 1
Union: 0
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March 7, 2012 10:27am
dime

DG – yea i noticed the sub headline too. disgraceful “journalism”

just grabbed a coffee in the lunch room. consensus from the ladies was “good job” lol
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March 7, 2012 10:32am
David Garrett

If its show of hands voting, none of them will have the guts – with considerable reason – to stand up to the bullies up the front and vote against the party line…all sorts of “accidents” can happen on a site like a port….

Lance: I remember someone telling me that a rubber workers union official said – in response to a claim from the evil bosses that if they paid was being demanded the company would go broke :”I’d sooner there were no rubber workers left in Christchurch than accept that offer.” The union official got his wish. The company now makes its gumboots overseas.

Unions were a very necessary part of the employer-employee relationship 100 years ago. Now they do their members more harm than good…by and large.
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March 7, 2012 10:36am
Scott Chris

Because I expect absolute crap and that’s what I get.

If you expect crap, you deserve crap.

Dickhead.
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March 7, 2012 10:43am
Pete George

Political opponents of the Government’s assets sales programme are throwing their weight behind a petition opposing the policy.

And Mana Movement leader Hone Harawira’s also enthusiastic about the petition.

“Bloody brilliant idea. I don’t think that if the Government had gone to the election with that as their primary mandate that they would have won.”

What election is Harawira talking about? His by-election?
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March 7, 2012 10:50am
Akaroa

Re Scott Chris at 10.43 criticising Murray at 8.57.

Scott, Murray’s very valid point was quite apparent, and – in my view at least – valid.

I suggest you read it again in context.

You may then be able to grasp the point being made.
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March 7, 2012 10:54am
Keeping Stock

Surely Unionism 101 is all about PROTECTING the jobs of members at all costs? If that is the case, this is a huge fail from Gary Parsloe and the Local 13 of MUNZ

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/unionism-101.html
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March 7, 2012 11:00am
dime

I enjoyed Annette King on the radio this morning. Was not a happy camper.

Funny how all of a sudden public opinion matters. Didnt seem to when the anti-smacking bill went through. I guess that was different though – labour know better than the rest of us.
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March 7, 2012 11:06am
David Garrett

KS: Clearly you have had little to do with unions…Today they are about advancing the interests of the officials…late last century they were about advancing communist political agendas…early last century they were about protecting the interests of the members, improving their wages and conditions…AND advancing communist political agendas…
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March 7, 2012 11:07am
Keeping Stock

@ David Garrett; I just might have been taking the proverbial…
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March 7, 2012 11:09am
David Garrett

KS: My apologies! I clearly haven’t had enough coffee!! All this sobriety is affecting my thinking….
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March 7, 2012 11:22am
hj

@hj
WTF minimum wage parity, house prices, the source of NZ population increase and roading all strung together……. and the point is?
……………
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices
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March 7, 2012 11:27am
hj

Mombiot talks Ayn Rand

A Manifesto for Psychopaths
http://www.monbiot.com/2012/03/05/a-manifesto-for-psychopaths/
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March 7, 2012 11:29am
KevinH

POAL will struggle to grow it’s business as a result of the drastic action taken this morning in sacking 300 men. The timing of this action looks to be a knee jerk reaction to the moratorium placed on the Ports expansion plans by the Auckland City Council and could be interpreted as petty and vindictive.
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March 7, 2012 11:42am
Lance

Oh dear
KevinH makes shit up… again
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March 7, 2012 11:49am
Griff

” Ports of Auckland is making almost 300 of its striking workers redundant and will contract the work out.”

Expansion could have created more jobs for Auckland
The union has killed the future of its workers……massive own goal.
Expand and grow in efficiency of scale or retrench and run a smaller more responsive workforce simple reality.
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March 7, 2012 11:53am
AlphaKiwi

What would it take for New Zealand to be able to have construction companies that are able to work at this speed in Christchurch? Amazing and something to aspire to. 🙂

http://gizmodo.com/5873962/amazing-timelapse-of-30+story-building-made-in-only-360-hours
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March 7, 2012 11:57am
plebe

Got to love those muslims.
http://nz.yahoo.com/s/378612
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March 7, 2012 12:03pm
Weihana

# hj (2,049) Says:
March 7th, 2012 at 11:29 am

Mombiot talks Ayn Rand

A Manifesto for Psychopaths
http://www.monbiot.com/2012/03/05/a-manifesto-for-psychopaths/

From Monbiot:

In a notorious passage, she argues that all the passengers in a train filled with poisoned fumes deserved their fate(2,3). One, for example, was a teacher who taught children to be team players; one was a mother married to a civil servant, who cared for her children; one was a housewife “who believed that she had the right to elect politicians, of whom she knew nothing”.

I think Monbiot misses the point. The point is not to rejoice in the misery of others, but to acknowledge the natural consequences of mindless behaviour such as those who vote for politicians of whom they know nothing.

Further, while I consider Rands moral philosophy to be overly simplistic, I also note the hypocrisy with which people criticize her advocacy of selfishness. I doubt there is a person alive who has not at one point in time enjoyed a luxury at the expense of contributing to charity. Everyday all of us do things which serves nothing more than to reward ourselves. We buy big screen TVs which we do not need, we buy alcohol which we do not need, we enjoy holidays that we do not need. In all such cases we could forego those wants and contribute more charity to those in real desperation.

But we don’t so I find it highly hypocritical of those who would chastize Rand for taking that attitude to its logical conclusion. On what rational basis does one regard themselves as more ethical than Rand simply because they contribute some charity? Is it not really the case that the charity that they do contribute is only so much as will not unreasonably impinge on their own selfish desires?
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March 7, 2012 12:19pm
Viking2

so the wharfies are gone. POAL have made the final decision that its stevedoring is contracted. Three companies.
Pasloe the dinasour stamps his foot and says none of his lot will ever work for the Stevedores.

BWHahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahah.
What a dick head.
Of course they may well apply and be refused a job.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6536688/Fight-on-as-Auckland-wharfies-made-redundant
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March 7, 2012 12:23pm
joana

Lance,
you can’t see the obvious?

On another topic , the govt has been caught lying over health stats..for eg counting health care assistants as nurses. No surprises there. Who in the Min of Health thought we needed to import two old tossers to slash the health sector? Did ministry staff handle these recruitments? Were the jobs advertised in NZ? Did the Min boffins contract this out to a Wgtn firm ? At what price?
Who in the Ministry thinks we are still in the 1950s?
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March 7, 2012 12:29pm
Monique Watson

http://www.3news.co.nz/Moldova-Legalising-chemical-castration-of-paedophiles/tabid/417/articleID/245494/Default.aspx
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March 7, 2012 12:32pm
kowtow

dime

I thought the same thing as I watched Shearer on the box this a.m.

Bastards only want to know us when it suits ’em.

Mind you that goes for the whole lot of them.
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March 7, 2012 12:39pm
minto57

So sacking the the workers is laughing matter.
What butch of blagards so mean at the mouth
As to keys mandate 5/8 of fuck all is not a mandate as he about find out.
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March 7, 2012 12:51pm
Fletch

Weihana, author Joe Carter also points out that Satanist Anton LaVey (author of The Satanic Bible) admits getting most of his ideas from Rand.

LaVey wasn’t shy about admitting his debt to his inspiration. “I give people Ayn Rand with trappings,” he once told the Washington Post. On another occasion he acknowledged that his brand of Satanism was “just Ayn Rand’s philosophy with ceremony and ritual added.” Indeed, the influence is so apparent that LaVey has been accused of plagiarizing part of his “Nine Satanic Statements” from the John Galt speech in Rand’s Atlas Shrugged.

Devotees of Rand may object to my outlining the association between the two. They will say I am proposing “guilt by association,” a form of the ad hominem fallacy. But I am not attacking Rand for the overlap of her views with LaVey’s; I am saying that, at their core, they are the same philosophy. LaVey was able to recognize what many conservatives fail to see: Rand’s doctrines are satanic.

You can replace the pentagrams of LeVayian Satanism with the dollar sign of the Objectivists without changing much of the substance separating the two. The ideas are largely the same, though the movements’ aesthetics are different. One appeals to, we might say, the Young Libertarians, and the other attracts the Future Wiccans of America.

MORE – http://bit.ly/mEXjBe
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March 7, 2012 1:09pm
All_on_Red

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10790251
“Chief executive Geoff Henderson said that under the agreement the US firm would have exclusive rights to sell Windflow products in North and South America, Africa and US territories and military bases worldwide”

So Windflow Technology are actively selling to the US Military. Does Jeanette know they are doing this? What do the Greens think of this company consorting with the US Military?
How do they know these windmills arent going to be sited around the worls providing power for the US to continue their blatant and oppressive imperialism?
How do the Greens reconcile the screaming they make to our own Investments funds about where they invest and here they sell to the military?

Gee, looks like “do as I say, not do as I do” What a surprise.
Also, who is the investor who underwrote the raising of funds? Were they aligned to the US? Why the secrecy?
I think we have a right to know-heh
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March 7, 2012 1:13pm
joana

Alpha,
No one in CHCH wants any 30 story buildings. As far as I know it is insurance issues which are holding up the rebuild..who would know tho…so many are just updating their passports.
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March 7, 2012 1:17pm
AlphaKiwi

@ Joana

I didn’t mean for 30 story buildings to be built, but rather the principal of getting things built fast.
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March 7, 2012 2:52pm
graham

So, there was an application to register a new political party logo for the “ZUMWOHL” party filed today.

http://www.elections.org.nz/study/news/application-to-register-political-party-logo.html

Party: ZUMWOHL
Applicant: Ulf Führer, Party Secretary, ZUMWOHL

Zumwohl is a company that makes “German-style Schnapps”. Turns out DPF even got invited to a free tasting two years ago.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/zumwohl.html

And they’re registering as a political party? Wonder where this will go …
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March 7, 2012 3:15pm
DJP6-25

David Garrett 10:15am. It’s easy to help this desirable process along. Don’t buy any papers, don’t listen to free to air ‘news’, and do get your news from KB, Whale , or other dependable on line sources. It won’t hurt, and won’t cost anything.

cheers

David Prosser
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March 7, 2012 3:53pm
krazykiwi

Iti ‘activist pushing for peaceful change’

Urewera accused Tame Iti is an activist pushing for peaceful change, and would not have thrown that away for a stupid “grand plan”, court hears.

Peaceful. Riiiight. Like blasting a shortgun into a NZ flag was evidence of earlier peaceful intent?
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March 7, 2012 4:01pm
plebe

The POA confict is like a scene from the matrix movie, Whats the point of sacking union members in Auckland, New Zealand when union members in Australia and the USA will not touch ships out of Auckland,(OWN GOAL RICH PRICKS).they dont give a fuck about our containers , they can spoil out in the stream, united we stand.(from the past).
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March 7, 2012 4:39pm
MT_Tinman

Joanna, I want 30 stories buildings built in Christchurch, so do many of the more enlightened business people I converse with.

They, like me, understand that the only way to have a genuine, live and exciting CBD is to have high-rise office buildings and they, again like me, understand that the technology is there to build safe high-rise buildings.

No doubt they, once again like me, also recognise that is was the low-med rise buildings (a five and a three from memory) that broke and killed people.

Why do you have so much trouble with the facts?
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March 7, 2012 4:48pm
krazykiwi

The ‘most powerful man in the world’ allows his former nanny to live as an outcast on the streets of Jakarta. Shame on you Barry. Send some dollars.
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March 7, 2012 5:46pm
big bruv

The NZ Cricket team are doing bloody well (I refuse to call them the blackcaps)

SA batting first are 179-7.
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March 7, 2012 6:21pm
Griff

At the end of the tax year, the Tax Office sent an inspector to audit the books of a synagogue. While he was checking the books he turned to the Rabbi and said, “I notice you buy a lot of candles. What do you do with the candle drippings?”

“Good question,” noted the Rabbi. “We save them up and send them back to the candle makers, and every now and then they send us a free box of candles.”

“Oh,” replied the auditor, somewhat disappointed that his unusual question had a practical answer.

But on he went, in his obnoxious way. “What about all these biscuit purchases. What do you do with the crumbs?”

“Ah, yes,” replied the Rabbi, realizing that the inspector was trying to trap him with an unanswerable question. “We collect them and send them back to the manufacturers, and every now and then they send a free box of holy biscuits.”

“I see,” replied the auditor, thinking hard about how he could fluster the know-it-all Rabbi.

“Well, Rabbi,” he went on, “what do you do with all the leftover foreskins from the circumcisions you perform?”

“Here, too, we do not waste,” answered the Rabbi. “What we do is save up all the foreskins and send them to the Tax Office, and about once a year they send us a complete dick.”
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March 7, 2012 6:50pm
kowtow

krazykiwi

He let his grandmother in Kenya live without electricity.
http://ezralevant.com/2011/09/the-great-obama-coverup.html

The above item used to be on youtube and was delivered brilliantly by its author, Ezra Levant, can’t find it anymore!
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March 7, 2012 6:56pm
bereal

You just gotta love your muslim brothers.

Some korans get burned by accident in Afghanistan and a bunch muslims dessicrate allied war graves (including the graves of New Zealand WW2 soldiers killed in Libya.)

We must embrace our muslim brothers.
We must celebrate them.
Import more of them into New Zealand.

Fxxk them.
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March 7, 2012 7:13pm
joana

MT Tinman
I don’t have any trouble with facts..I think you have difficulty distinguishing your own opinions from facts..So you and some of your mates want 30 story buildings..great go for it..but myself and my mates have very little confidence in NZ , in NZ authorities , in the parlous state of our structural engineering industry etc. etc CHCH CBD was already dead before FEB22 nd. It is like trying to resurrect a corpse , much of the capital has already moved to AK…but each to his own.
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March 7, 2012 7:20pm
mikenmild

kowtow
Maybe Levant had to remove that, like his other false and libelous material.
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March 7, 2012 7:29pm
nasska

What’s on your mind these days? Is it in the gutter as usual?
Let’s find out! (Answers Below)

A. I am a protrusion that comes in many sizes.
When I’m not well, I drip.
When you blow me, you feel good.
(What Am I?)

B. I’m spread before I’m eaten.
Your tongue gets me off.
People sometimes lick my nuts.
(What Am I?)

C. Over 1,000 people went down on me.
I wasn’t maiden for long.
A big hard thing ripped me open.
(What Am I?)

D. You stick your poles inside me.
You tie me down to get me up.
I get wet before you do.
(What Am I?)

E. When I go in I cause pain.
I cause you to spit and ask you not to swallow.
I can fill your hole.
(What Am I?)

F. A finger goes in me.
You fiddle with me when you’re bored.
The best man always has me first.
(What Am I?)

G. All day long, it’s in and out.
I discharge loads from my shaft.
Both men and women go down on me.
(What Am I?)

H. I have a stiff shaft.
My tip penetrates.
I come with a quiver.
(What Am I?)

I. I make some guys shoot in the air.
I usually have a little pecker.
I’m better in your hand than in your bush.
(What Am I?)

Answers:
A. A Nose
B. Peanut Butter
C. TheTitanic
D. A Tent
E. A Dentist
F. A Wedding Ring
G. An Elevator
H. An Arrow
I. A bird
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March 7, 2012 7:58pm
Scott Chris

Griff – alternative ending to your joke:

“Well, Rabbi,” he went on, “what do you do with all the leftover foreskins from the circumcisions you perform?”

“Here, too, we do not waste,” answered the Rabbi. “What we do is save up all the foreskins and sew them into wallets”

“Why the hell would you want to do that?” exclaimed the tax inspector.

“Well these are very special wallets you see,” replied the Rabbi, “you rub them and they become briefcases.”
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March 7, 2012 8:09pm
Steve

Alphakiwi,
Can you imagine this same building built in NZ at that pace? 15 days! Fuck here it would take 15 days to get the coffee roster sorted.

Now in Glenfield there is a road upgrade, about 400 meters. In 3 weeks Fulton Hogan and others have put up road cones, removed road cones and replace with plastic barriers; some trees got removed, some holes got dug, some pipes got placed in the work area so that they can be shifted to dig more holes.
They are doing well for 18 days work, meanwhile the traffic is banked up in all directions – back to Rosedale Rd, back to Birkenhead, and all the way down the Wairau Valley.
But I’m sure they know what they are doing
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March 7, 2012 8:10pm
nasska

Steve

….”But I’m sure they know what they are doing”…..

Checking carefully for Taniwha?
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March 7, 2012 8:17pm
Steve

Never thought of that nasska. Taniwha nests, and a water resevoir just at the top of the hill.
They will probably need appeasing, I hear that ‘koha’ works well.
Then again they could be relocating some skinks
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March 7, 2012 8:32pm
Viking2

More crap fromthe MSM.
This baby factory, with an automatic means of child production,(no father or partner or husband evident, bnenefit sucking fraud), owes HNZ $4500 and cries and whinges to the media when no one will rent her somewhere to live.
The stupid fucking taxpayer who masquerades as a JOURNALIST then makes a splash on her behalf and corners HNZ into making an apology and rinning round after the scum.

HNZ should tell her to get stuffed. (Phil, you are a nice guy but grow some balls).
The JOURNA;IST should stop and think about the taxes they pay to supportthis kind of leach and then stop writing shit unless they are prepared to donate their own income.

Family is reduced to living in a garage
LOUISE RISK
Last updated 05:00 08/03/2012

When Miss Hiroti had to move out of accommodation with family north of Huntly she initially approached several rental agencies, but was turned down due to her losing a Tenancy Tribunal hearing to pay $4500 for outstanding rent, rubbish removal and damage to a Porirua state house.

Family living in garage
BEN CURRAN/Fairfax NZ

HOMELESS: Lori Hiroti sits on the bed she shares with her daughter Arreis-Jayde, 4, while her sons Hoani-Puru, 3, and Temorehu, 9, sit on the bed they share.

Lori Hiroti, 27, and her three children, Temorehu, 9, Arreis-Jayde, 4, and Hoani-Puru, 3, have been living in their aunt’s state home garage for the past month after accommodation with family north of Huntly became unavailable.

Miss Hiroti has outstanding Housing NZ debt which she was paying off regularly, but she said with three children living in a garage, she felt Hamilton’s Housing NZ staff should have taken her situation more seriously, and helped her rather than “being patronising”.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6541422/Family-is-reduced-to-living-in-a-garage
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March 8, 2012 7:04am
Viking2

Given that this benescum is probably a Morgan Realtive maybe she could ask Tuku and his clan to front up instead of wasting the tribes money fighting in court and various other modern day initiatives.
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March 8, 2012 7:08am
joana

So what sort of work do you do Steve? Have you ever worked anywhere other than in a cushy office , daddys firm etc. You sound like an arrogant ponce.
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March 8, 2012 8:26am

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