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Scott Chris

Report Shows NZ 100% Pure Brand Under Threat:

The report, Greening New Zealand’s Growth, says New Zealand is poised to ride the crest of a worldwide “green” wave but warns it is also highly vulnerable to any undermining of our 100 per cent pure brand.
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March 5, 2012 8:06am
niggly

Re NZ woman who has had her 3 children taken by her Algerian husband and back to Algeria.

Just heard her interview on Morning Report, very sad.

I wonder if NZ could enlist the help of Ahmed Zaoui to resolve this (throw in Deborah Manning as well)?

After all Ahmed owes NZ/NZ’ers big time for defending his right to jump the immigration cue and free legal assistance to remain here ….
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March 5, 2012 8:06am
Brian Smaller

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6522078/Diplomat-faces-armed-men-in-bid-to-free-kids

@niggly – I read it and thought she should have put more thought into letting her kids go to a Muslim country with their Muslim father. This happens all the time.
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March 5, 2012 8:09am
East Wellington Superhero

“Clean-tech”. Please.
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March 5, 2012 8:10am
Ed Snack

The green wave Scott, is as it has always been, a nebulous something in the future. There’s no “green wave” as that report assumes except a slippery slope into economic decay and ultimately a peasant economy.

Just another group of economic rent seekers attempting to scam more $$$ of the long suffering taxpayer.
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March 5, 2012 8:14am
David Garrett

Brian: another example demonstrating that “cultural relativism” is total crap…but this silly woman should have realised that in Islamic thinking she is nothing but a chattel of her husband…An Algerian ffs!!
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March 5, 2012 8:23am
Scott Chris

Guys, perception is reality when it comes to what our customers think of us. Doesn’t matter if they’re deluded, what matters is if they choose to buy our stuff or not.
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March 5, 2012 8:27am
Brian Smaller

@David Garrett – I think this must be about the third such case involving a NZ woman and her kids in the last few years that I remember.
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March 5, 2012 8:28am
tvb

She was in love David and rational thought does not enter into things. She has been through quite an ordeal and the NZ Embassy Stafer looks like a heroine.
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March 5, 2012 8:34am
Brian Smaller

@tvb. She was stupid. She had years and three kids to think rationally about the situation. The Embassy staffer is doing a sterling job – agreed. She is tough.
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March 5, 2012 8:39am
joana

Yes obviously a very naive woman..the kids will be wrecked by now..NZ media and govt partly to blame as they always keep the worst of islam out of view. Some of us read about it on sites like Jihad Watch , Gates of Vienna , Winds of Jihad etc etc but this woman hadn’t read much before she walked into this death trap..Did he marry her for residency or citizenship?
When I lived in a muslim country , we had to show up at court every year , pay money..of course pay money..to prove I was still married to a citizen..Not even a muslim..I would not have been allowed to take my son out of the country on my own..I had a German friend , an expat who got questioned when she was taking her children home to Germany for a holiday.
People need to wise up..there will be more of these stories..Muslims are the ultimate supremacists…It is their way or the highway.
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March 5, 2012 8:41am
David Garrett

“Their way or the highway”?? More like their way or get beheaded next to the highway….
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March 5, 2012 8:47am
joana

Yes David , or stoned or raped or beaten senseless , or hung or have your limbs amputated..etc etc..oh and the Afghan women reguarly get hit over the head with bricks..The ultimate savagery posing as a religion.
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March 5, 2012 8:51am
peterwn

Re the Algerian child case – the mum is calling for ‘accountability’ from the diplomats involved. Seems Ms Welton the consul went right beyond the call of duty. Cameron Slater was talking about ‘entitlement-itis’ yesterday (if you are in a state house, you are ‘entitled’ to be there for life). This seems to be another case of ‘accountability-itis’, which seems to be all the rage nowadays. And I bet that many of those wanting to hold others ‘accountable’ would expect to be held ‘accountable’ in their day to day jobs.
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March 5, 2012 8:54am
Put it away

Married a muslim and SOMEHOW it all turned to custard. Life really must seem like an unfathomable mystery to this woman.
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March 5, 2012 8:58am
Longknives

I see a couple of articles this morning with the Sla…sorry Black Caps talking themselves up again..
After the pummelling they got in the one dayers (supposedly New Zealand’s strength is the shorter form of the game) you might think they would shut their traps and be a bit more polite and respectful to the South Africans.
Heres a novel idea New Zealand- How about leave the chest beating and ‘trash talking’ this week and put some time in down the nets??
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March 5, 2012 8:59am
David Garrett

I dont visit the Stalinist discussion forum over at the Stranded these days, but do our leftie brothers and sisters have any comment on this? A resounding silence I would have thought…a woman’s rights to be with her children versus Muslims’ “rights” to act like barbarians….difficult call for toad, mikey and their mates…

And speaking of Mikey…still waiting for an apology for suggesting I misquoted the Parole Board re Kurariki…
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March 5, 2012 9:00am
Brian Smaller

My favourite Islamic quote of the day is this one, from a woman interviewed in Afhganistan.
From the London TImes.

As with nearly all Afghan women, Mahmuda’s movement is severely restricted by her husband. But she says that being the wife of an insurgent has its benefits.

“They are fighters and when they come home they are tired and don’t beat us.
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March 5, 2012 9:23am
Monique Watson

the clean green brand is a bit unattractive. Republicans won’t be tempted by “hippie green”, we should be ensuring we are a luxury value added brand. In which case who gives a toss about the effect of mining. Re the consulate with the big balls of steel; why isn’t she backed up by a team of our guys to extract them the fuck out of there? What are the diplomatic implications?
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March 5, 2012 9:28am
mikenmild

Still waiting for David to correct his statement…
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March 5, 2012 9:31am
krazykiwi

Guys, perception is reality when it comes to what our customers think of us.

Given context, this statement reminds me of a quote from Paul Watson, a founder of Greenpeace: “It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”

Truth was declared irrelevant from the outset of the modern green movement.
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March 5, 2012 9:32am
David Garrett

mikey: You are dickhead mate, and a gutless one to boot….do you think the Herald reports the whole of the Boards ruling? Go and do your own research…but you wont bother, because that would make you look even more cowardly…when they are caught out, or are in the wrong, mate, real men own up.
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March 5, 2012 10:06am
dime

God it must be hard being PM of this country!

from the Herald:

Prime Minister John Key has defended support for SkyCity’s planned $350 million convention centre in the wake of an incident in which five children were found locked in a van at the casino’s carpark.

Really?? Imagine Obama havent to comment on 5 kids being left in a van in nebraska!

The level of journalism in this country is just shit. why ask JK about this?

Dime just got a heap of landscaping done, i might get the herald to ask him if they thought the guy did a good job and if i got a good deal?

whats the heralds angle? are they hoping the government will shut down a 350 million dollar convention centre?? MORONS!
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March 5, 2012 10:45am
Put it away

Weak, mikenmild.
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March 5, 2012 11:13am
nickb

The level of journalism in this country is just shit. why ask JK about this?

Dime just got a heap of landscaping done, i might get the herald to ask him if they thought the guy did a good job and if i got a good deal?

Lol so true. They ask him shit like he is a prophet or Gandhi or something.

“Prime Minister, do you think that Zac Guilford has lost the confidence of the NZ public”? etc etc
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March 5, 2012 11:26am
Put it away

Phool’s demerits ran out a couple of days ago, yet no sign of him? Maybe he got a job. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. But seriously, he’s probably going to wait a few days to try not to look desperate.
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March 5, 2012 11:27am
krazykiwi

Cultural cringe: schoolchildren can’t see the yoghurt for the trees

Three-quarters of Australian children in their final year of primary school believe cotton socks come from animals and 27 per cent are convinced yoghurt grows on trees.

😀
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March 5, 2012 11:44am
Put it away

And 100% of authors of that article don’t know what “cultural cringe” means
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March 5, 2012 12:03pm
mikenmild

I was interested in Garrett’s assertion that “the Corrections Department and the Parole Board SAID at the time of his release that Kurariki was a reformed individual with a bright future”. Garrett did not reply. Nasska kindly provided a link to a Herald story which said that:
‘Yesterday’s Parole Board decision said it was appropriate to point out the progress Kurariki had made during his time in jail.
“Despite the problems he presented with earlier in his incarceration he has over the past several months, and particularly since his transfer to the [withheld] Unit, showed a self-discipline and determination to stay out of trouble and benefit from the programmes available to him.”
The board said he presented as an articulate and intelligent, young man, who focused on achievable goals.
“He appears genuine in his desire to live an offence-free life and those responsible for him in prison have noted a developing maturity.”’

If the full decision says otherwise, I’d appreciate a link to that decision and I would happily apologise, should an apology really be sought from an gutlessly anonymous troll.. But what I can find on the net appears materially different from what Garrett claimed yesterday.
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March 5, 2012 12:06pm
kowtow

TV 1,3 and RNZ have now covered the desecration of war graves in Benghazi.

RNZ news at 11 this am could not bring themselves to use the “I” or ‘m’ word ,despite the cries of Allah Akbar and the clear anti Jewish and Christian nature of the attacks. Furthermore it is not news that Benghazi is a hot bed of Islamic activism.

dhimmi RNZ.
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March 5, 2012 12:09pm
joana

Mikenmild..there are lots of stories about the Parole Board. have you tried complaining about them? They do not have any complaints procedures..Collins says they are not a govt dept..The ombudsman says not their area..etc etc..I have been involved in all this trying to help a family..I think they are about at the point of complaining to the Judges complaints guy.. David Gasgoigne The Judicial Complaints Commissioner.
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March 5, 2012 12:42pm
mikenmild

Well, the Parole Board from memory is neither a court nor a government department. I should have thought that parole board decisions are reviewable by the courts. Possibly the Judicial Complaints Commissioner would have a role in a complaint about the conduct of a board member.
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March 5, 2012 12:53pm
David Garrett

Joana: I think you have misunderstood little Mikey…the only complaints he would have about the PB is that they dont let violent offenders out quickly enough!

I am on record as saying the Board actually has a bloody hard job…they have to operate under a blatantly crim friendly piece of legislation – which I believe they have asked on several occasions be amended – and they are always subject to judicial review from staunch defenders of criminal rights like Michael Bott…Theirs is not an enviable job.
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March 5, 2012 12:55pm
mikenmild

Interestingly, althoughte Parole Board is explicitly covered by the Official Information Act and the Privacy Act, it does not appear to be subject to the Ombudsme Act. Don’t know why, though, possibly due to its quasi-judicial status.
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March 5, 2012 12:57pm
Scott Chris

Australian children in their final year of primary school believe cotton socks come from animals

Everyone knows Cotton Wool comes from Cotton Sheep. It’s a breed, like a Mit Romney (a breed that specializes in fleecing and asset stripping)
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March 5, 2012 1:06pm
Manolo

What to do? http://money.msn.co.nz/businessnews/national/8429831/nz-exodus-to-australia-continues
Nothing.
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March 5, 2012 1:19pm
joana

Thanks David and Mikey..as I said it wasn’t really my interest, I just got asked to help a family. The first thing I did was go looking for complaints procedures and I couldn’t find any..I found this odd for a start.. Someonelse suggested the Ombudsman, they told my client to get a lawyer..
They may well be operating under crim inclined legislation but in our experience several members including a judge also broke the law. Subsequently , a higher judge made a very libelous accusation. So I think where the issues stand now , is that complaints will be made about these judges to the Judicial Commissioner. It is never good for any group or person to think or act as if they are beyond scrutiny. No one ought to be.
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March 5, 2012 1:27pm
Manolo

What a surprise! The satrap and aspiring dictator wins http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16182189
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March 5, 2012 1:38pm
Manolo

It didn’t take long, did it? In the US the warmists are blaming AGW for the tornadoes. Here NIWA follows suit.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6522245/More-storms-likely-theory
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March 5, 2012 1:54pm
Griff

Manolo
“NIWA climate scientist Andrew Tait said the storm was consistent with the climate change theory that such events could become more common.
But statistically there was no evidence yet to show the frequency of vigorous storms was changing.
It was “a very, very difficult thing” to show statistically, because storms as strong as that on the weekend were rare, Tait said.
According to a theory of climate change, a warmer atmosphere could hold more moisture and therefore storms could have more of a punch in future.
The weekend weather was consistent with that theory, but it was difficult to say whether that particular storm could be attributed to a warmer atmosphere, Tait said. ”

From the above its obvious that the person talking up global warming is the press not the scientist
Classic MSM this century
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March 5, 2012 2:12pm
joana

So a Sri Lankan teen has been caught sexually grooming girls in CHCH. It has started here already. This is an epidemic in the UK. Expect more of it here and send most of yr complaints to Auntie Helen and whoever else opened the doors to all and sundry..If it happens to one of my neices , we won’t be worrying about all the little niceties.
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March 5, 2012 2:13pm
Scott Chris

So a Sri Lankan teen has been caught sexually grooming girls in CHCH

Joanna, what has started here? And what has the person’s nationality got to do with anything? Got any stats to back up your racism?
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March 5, 2012 3:05pm
Lance

Oh dear… the good old AGW….. ah hemm …………..debate

Like that horse hasn’t been flogged to death, eviscerated and ploughed into the good earth
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March 5, 2012 3:13pm
mikenmild

Yes, Lance we can’t really call it a debate, in fairness.
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March 5, 2012 3:15pm
Fletch

Andrew Breitbart may be dead (RIP) but his last project was the vetting of Barrack Obama, which begins today.

The vetting of President Barack Obama begins now, with Andrew Breitbart’s final piece, exposing Obama’s association with a radical leftist play titled — appropriately enough — ‘The Love Song of Saul Alinsky.’

Prior to his passing, Andrew Breitbart said that the mission of the Breitbart empire was to exemplify the free and fearless press that our Constitution protects–but which, increasingly, the mainstream media denies us.
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” – “Who guards the guardians?” Andrew saw himself in that role—as a guardian protecting Americans from the left’s “objective” loyal scribes.
Andrew wanted to do what the mainstream media would not. First and foremost: Andrew pledged to vet President Barack H. Obama.

Andrew did not want to re-litigate the 2008 election. Nor did he want to let Republicans off the hook. Instead, he wanted to show that the media had failed in its most basic duty: to uncover the truth, and hold those in power accountable, regardless of party.

From today through Election Day, November 6, 2012, we will vet this president–and his rivals.

We begin with a column Andrew wrote last week in preparation for today’s Big relaunch–a story that should swing the first hammer against the glass wall the mainstream media has built around Barack Obama.

MORE – http://bit.ly/AaZ3kq
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March 5, 2012 4:17pm
Scott Chris

Andrew [Breibart] saw himself in that role—as a guardian protecting Americans from the left’s “objective” loyal scribes.

What you mean in the way he selectively edited a video of Shirley Sherrod which forced her resignation?

~What a guy~
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March 5, 2012 4:42pm
cha

For just the one $9.99 payment you too can read all about sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation into President Obama’s birth certificate.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/MCSO-investigator-selling-birther-investigation-online-141270873.html
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March 5, 2012 4:46pm
joana

Scott mate,
You are very uninformed..Read more widely.. Asians or muslims have been grooming young white girls for decades in the Uk , Aussie , Europe , Scandanavia..Scandavian girls dye their beatiful hair to try to avoid being raped..I was writing these kinds of things on KB several years ago..Have you got any sisters? Aunties? Do you know any little blond girls? They are all at risk.
There is a court case happening in Liverpool where 747 paedo muslim men are being charged with sexual grooming and other offences..Of course , it is not in the news here..What is.????…..only candy floss.
We are truly the Burma of the south..tell them nothing , take them nowhere..
Think a bit more and ask more questions before you automatically label someone..I care about women and girls..no crime in that..We have the most to lose from these cultures and men who treat women like cattle fodder.
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March 5, 2012 5:19pm
joana

No should read 47.
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March 5, 2012 5:20pm
Fletch

What you mean in the way he selectively edited a video of Shirley Sherrod which forced her resignation?

~What a guy~

Actually Scott, that is a lie of the Left.
It was Glenn Beck who played some edited audio on his radio show. Andrew’s piece on Sherrod included her redemptive part at the end, but you and the Left will continue with the same narrative. I’ve seen Andrew explain this on TV shows again and again and again, but the Liberals are happier with their own version of things.

Don’t let a little thing like the truth stand in your way though.
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March 5, 2012 5:30pm
mikenmild

Fletch

Could luck with that ‘vetting’. What is it BTW, more birtherism?
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March 5, 2012 5:33pm
wiseowl

This is what is wrong with local government.Not sure if this story is available online from HB Today.
Four of the regions councils have put in a bid for Government funding to set up five computer clubhouses to help young people develop skills and use of technology.
The Hastings District Council has been told $450,000 was an early indicative assessment of cost involved in setting up a centre in FLAXMERE ONLY!!!!!
They want five of these and the idea is supported by central government.
This is insane.
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March 5, 2012 6:01pm
jonnobanks

joana, so it’s not some conspiracy when a white male grooms kids. Western cultures don’t treat women like cattle fodder? Sri Lanka was the first country in the world to elect a woman as a Prime Minster, doesn’t sounds backwards. It seems like you are type casting here.
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March 5, 2012 6:05pm
wat dabney

joana,

Are you saying that Asians and Muslims are generally over-represented in crime statistics?

If not then you don’t really have a point and are basically indulging your prejudices.
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March 5, 2012 6:24pm
Manolo

Like that horse hasn’t been flogged to death, eviscerated and ploughed into the good earth

Tell that to Nick Smith, who will continue using it to exact more taxes from all of us. Long live the ETS….yeah right.
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March 5, 2012 6:29pm
krazykiwi

@Manolo – and that’s a big problem isn’t it? People get sick of the ‘debate’ and don’t want to hear anything more about the subject. Yet we have implemented taxation mechanisms based on beliefs and assumptions that are turing to custard. I won’t keep quiet about the global warming hoax. Too important.
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March 5, 2012 6:41pm
Leaping Jimmy

Documents released revealing Nixon sabotaged Vietnam peace talks to get him elected.

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/03/03/lbjs-x-file-on-nixons-treason/

Along similar lines, as a few people know, JFK had announced a draw down of the then military “advisors” in Vietnam a few weeks before he was killed. Within a few days, LBJ announced the draw down would not go ahead, instead, the US forces would be escalated and the rest is history. While this is not the only reason JFK may have been killed and possibly isn’t even the major one, I keep telling people, until you recognise political leaders and officials like, in this case, Nixon and Kissinger, take actions all the time which go against the best interests of the country they claim to be serving, you will never never never understand politics beyond the superficial level experienced by the slack jawed yokels who only ever get their political understanding from the MSM. All you have to do is open your mind. The evidence, you will then find, is all around you. By their actions shall ye know them, is your main tool and its very easy to see, once you understand why they are doing it and who “they” are…
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March 5, 2012 6:42pm
joana

Sorry guys you are just too uninformed for me to reply to ..Educate yourselves on what is happening overseas.
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March 5, 2012 6:50pm
HB

wiseowl

This is what is wrong with local government.Not sure if this story is available online from HB Today.
Four of the regions councils have put in a bid for Government funding to set up five computer clubhouses to help young people develop skills and use of technology.
The Hastings District Council has been told $450,000 was an early indicative assessment of cost involved in setting up a centre in FLAXMERE ONLY!!!!!
They want five of these and the idea is supported by central government.
This is insane.

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/news/councils-push-for-funding-to-set-up-pc-clubhouses/1293904/

this one?
ridiculous! they should be getting these skills in school.
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March 5, 2012 6:52pm
mikenmild

LJ – can’t resist having a go at conspiracy theories. While Kennedy had signed a memo on withdrawing 1,000 military advisers (out of 15,000 – up from 1,000 under Eisenhower), there is little evidence that the US involvement would have been much different had he survived. And from little evidence, we can safely turn to no evidence that he was assassinated due to his views on Vietnam
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March 5, 2012 7:04pm
mikenmild

LJ – can’t resist having a go at conspiracy theories. While Kennedy had signed a memo on withdrawing 1,000 military advisers (out of 15,000 – up from 1,000 under Eisenhower), there is little evidence that the US involvement would have been much different had he survived. And from little evidence, we can safely turn to no evidence that he was assassinated due to his views on Vietnam.
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March 5, 2012 7:10pm
cha

Heh!.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/03/birther-economic-index/
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March 5, 2012 7:11pm
mikenmild

Nice correlation cha!
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March 5, 2012 7:24pm
Jimbob

I see the McGuinness institute have studied science funding over the past twenty years and have found it wanting. Yes that smart little guy called Simon Upton had stuffed up. Surprise, surprise. They propose to merge all CRI’s into three and adding a fourth for health. All common sense, proposing to concentrate on correlating funding with development, such as health or economic development.
Dr. Paul Callaghan has endorsed the report.
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March 5, 2012 7:40pm
nasska

Office trick for the day:

Print a neat little label and glue it onto a piece of metal
or cardboard large enough to cover the button panel on
the photocopier. Attach it with double-sided tape.

On the label print:

This copier is now VOICE activated.
Please speak loudly and clearly.
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March 5, 2012 8:00pm
labours a joke

“Phool’s demerits ran out a couple of days ago, yet no sign of him? Maybe he got a job. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. But seriously, he’s probably going to wait a few days to try not to look desperate.”

He’s over at Whale gettin his arse handed to him on a plate every 5 minutes…
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March 5, 2012 8:04pm
wiseowl

Thanks HB.
There is also comment on hawkesbaycouncilwatch.blog.co.nz

HDC also want $3.5 m for a hockey turf. Ratepayers are so good.
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March 5, 2012 8:59pm
Leaping Jimmy

LJ – can’t resist having a go at conspiracy theories. While Kennedy had signed a memo on withdrawing 1,000 military advisers (out of 15,000 – up from 1,000 under Eisenhower), there is little evidence that the US involvement would have been much different had he survived.

mm, if you’re looking only at signed documents, you aren’t likely to stumble across the real issues. Putting together this stuff is exactly what an intelligence analyst does, taking a piece of the jigsaw from here, a piece from there, and drawing what are apparently unrelated connections. The advantage an intelligence analyst has is they have the evidence, whereas the truthseeker has to infer lots, from actions on the ground, which really happen. While I’ve never really been much interested in JFK beyond the mere fact that duh – something other than the Warren Commission report actually happened (just like the – duh – 911 Commission Report BTW) I merely googled “jfk withdrawel vietnam” and guess what the first link was?

http://history-matters.com/vietnam1963.htm

The 1990s saw the gaps in the declassified record on Vietnam filled in—with spring 1963 plans for the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces. An initial 1000 man pullout (of the approximately 17,000 stationed in Vietnam at that time) was initiated in October 1963, though it was diluted and rendered meaningless in the aftermath of Kennedy’s death. The longer-range plans called for complete withdrawal of U. S. forces and a “Vietnamization” of the war, scheduled to happen largely after the 1964 elections.

Emphasis mine.

Like I said above, there are several more likely motivations for JFK, which anyone interested can find for themselves. The issue for people who don’t get this stuff (yet) is, they need to get it. This is why I’ve started to make these posts rather than sticking to the bland Nats vs Liarbore puppet show which seems to consume most of the bandwidth here and which I stuck to for quite awhile.

The reason people should start to looking at it is, things are about to become very serious, this year, and if people don’t get it, or start to get it, by the end of this year they’ll be very confused indeed about the world they thought you used to live in.

I was talking to my Dad last night, who’s a lawyer, and whose never got it, about Dotcom and whether or not the US has been influencing the prosecution tactics. And we started getting into an argument about what I thought was a trivial detail – which was whether or not Crown Law engaged the prosecutor or whether Meredith O’Connell engaged independently and I couldn’t understand what the fuck he was on about, since I had mentioned Crown Law in passing, it wasn’t central to the macro question and I didn’t understand why he was getting all excited about what to me, was a complete side issue in the overall question.

It occurred to me this is because lawyers are trained and spend their professional lives analysing situation and finding holes in them and the instant they find a hole it doesn’t matter to them whether its a big hole or a little hole, to them, a hole is a hole and sometimes, in fact many times, a hole means the whole case is invalid. To an intelligence analyst however, a hole is nothing more than a missing piece in the jigsaw. It may, or may not, change the nature of the jigsaw, either in part, or in whole.

If you want to understand this stuff, you have to think like an intelligence analyst, as skeptically and as critically as an intelligence analyst lest you get garden-pathed which many do in this field, and you also need to do that without the benefit of the raw evidence that an intelligence analyst normally has at their disposal. The amount of utter bullshit out there is incredible. The amount of deliberate, subtle misinformation out there is incredible as well. But if you can sort the wheat from the chaff without fear nor favour which means, dropping all your pre-conceptions about how the world really works, then the scales pretty rapidly drop from your eyes. It’s not easy, if you currently think for example to use contemporary examples, that Libya and Syria were and are really about bringing democracy to the people, there really were WMDs in Iraq, the war on drugs really is about stopping the drug trade and the US really still is the land of the free and the home of the brave, notwithstanding the NDAA, the Patriot Acts, the FEMA Camps and all of the rest of it, which really do exist, now. All of that lifetime of perception has to change, if you want to understand this stuff. But the rewards are great, especially if you have family, since times are going to become very confusing indeed very very shortly, requiring great discernment to navigate through them and the consequences of being ignorant are going to become, if you have dependents, quite appalling for them if you don’t have that understanding.

And don’t rely on the interweb to keep you informed, because that’s likely to be one of the resources which are denied, once it all gets going. At least the truth on the interweb, as it is available now. There’ll still be an interweb of course, just google Internet2. It’s just instead of all this crazi content we now have, it’s only full of the “approved” content. So drink it while you can. After all, what do you have to lose? If it’s not true, what have you lost?
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March 5, 2012 10:14pm
Leaping Jimmy

As an example of discernment, is there anything wrong with this? I’m not saying there is, but if there was, what sorts of things could be wrong, if anything was wrong, at all?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/mar/04/jeffrey-sachs-beat-world-poverty
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March 5, 2012 10:32pm
Viking2

After the Election.
Now you will all recall that before the election there was heated dicussion over the police force and how there was no intention of police cuts.
BWhahahahahahahahahahaaha.

Labour had got it right so despite the National Party lying its bloody back teeth out here comes the truth.

Cops face sackings, closures in cost-cutting proposal
By Derek Cheng
5:30 AM Tuesday Mar 6, 2012

Police bosses are considering laying off staff and closing some stations in an effort to save $360 million over the next three years.

The staff cuts would include police officers and non-sworn staff.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10790077
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March 6, 2012 6:43am
Viking2

Contest of Leadership about to begine.

Wharfies versus the Govt.

Make no mistake, this current wharf dispute whilst seemingly about Auckland and its appalling record on the wharf is about to get a lot worsde. Parsloe and mates still live in the 1950’s and are about to use every bit of muscle they can to make their point. If you don’t know about the 1951 waterside strke now is a good time to google it and read up.

The contest will be between the wharfies and the National Govt. again now. Once this spreads, which its about to do, ( bolstered by the Meat Workers and other unions), the Govt. will have few choices. One of those is to return the Labour employment regulations back to the Bill Birch inspired and successful Contracts Act.

Does Key have the balls? Suspect not, so industrial anarchy will again become the norm.

Will Key last the distance to the next election. Doubt it very much.
Winston will prove to be correct. Which will perhaps imspire some of you to rant and rave.
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