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General Debate 21 March 2012

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March 21, 2012 8:06am
Manolo

The incompetent Smith must go! http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/6608542/Calls-for-Nick-Smiths-head-over-ACC
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March 21, 2012 8:14am
Keeping Stock

Nick Smith will be pleased that there is at least one positive piece of news for him today; the Dom-Post endorses his Local Government reforms.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/some-good-news-for-nick-smith.html

But the burning question of the day; why did David Shearer change his position several times yesterday over whether Smith should be stood down? Having told journalists in the morning that he didn’t think that Smith should be stood down, by nightfall he had joined the hang ‘im high camp. Who IS the Leader of the Opposition; Shearer, Grant Robertson or Winston Peters?
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March 21, 2012 8:26am
Rick Rowling

Nick Smith – a bad look.

Slightly more bad than the ex minister-of-protecting-event-profits scalping tickets.

More bad than the paintergate sideshow.

Less bad than pretending not to notice that you’re being driven at up to 170km/hr, through towns and past schools.

But none of these things are enough for realistic calls for resignation.
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March 21, 2012 8:33am
toad

From TVNZ:

Responding to the claim Smith became emotional when telling media he was happy to answer questions about his public life, but not his personal life.

FFS, Nick Smith wrote a ‘To whom it may concern’ letter on his Ministerial letterhead advocating for Bronwyn Pullar and describing her as a “long standing friend”. In doing so, he’s brought his personal life into it himself insofar as his relationship with Pullar is concerned. Whether she was a “friend” or a “friend with benefits” is irrelevant.
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March 21, 2012 8:35am
toad

@Rick Rowling 8:33 am

Phil Heatley resigned over the minor indiscretion of charging 2 bottles of wine to his Ministerial credit card. Yet Smith seeks to retain his Cabinet post in the face of far more serious allegations of corruptly abusing his Ministerial position to support a friend and National Party crony. He should resign, or at least stand down while the matter is investigated.
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March 21, 2012 8:42am
david

BS Toad, read the letter and then tell us just what is not clearly spelt out about Smith’s point in writing it. And don’t bleat about sinister influence, to do so would be to say that ACC staff and assessors are weak, unintelligent and subject to being politically manipulated – they aren’t.
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March 21, 2012 8:57am
Keeping Stock

@ Toad – who other than yourself is alleging corruption?
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March 21, 2012 8:59am
Nookin

Smith made a statement of fact about a person’s state of mind before an accident some years ago. It was not a reference. He did not argue in support of her case. He did not say anything about her demeanour following the accident. He did not express any view on her entitlement to compensation. He could have said exactly the same thing without the letterhead but the effect would have been the same. Here is a question for the critics: a citizen is aggrieved because that person’s rights are being tramelled; a cabinet member can attest to the fact; if the critics are right, does that cabinet member say “I am a cabinet member — I cannot help you” . If you were in the same boat what would you expect? And what would be the case if this matter went on review and the cabinet member was summonsed as a witness before a review officer because he had relevant personal knowledge? Does he refuse to give evidence on facts within his knowledge simply because he is a cabinet minister?
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March 21, 2012 9:05am
toad

@Nookin 9:05 am

If Nick Smith were a medical doctor, you may have a point, but his degree is in engineering so he has no professional expertise to comment on her health at all. And, in any case it is totally inappropriate, given that he was Minister for ACC, to write a letter in support of an ACC claimant in their dealings with ACC. If he were an ordinary MP, or a Minister holding any portfolio other than ACC, there would be no problem. But as Minister for ACC, whatever Smith’s intentions, the perception is that he improperly used his position as Minister to influence an operational decision of the Crown entity he was responsible for in favour of a personal friend.
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March 21, 2012 9:13am
david

What’s the bet that we will see a raft of letters “leaked” or tabled from Ministers in the last Labour Gummint supporting constituents & friends. A good place to start would be around the Residency application for Billy Liu (have I got that name right?) and a few other significant donors to the Labour Party.

Seems also that Winston wants to wrestle in the mud, who within National is willing to stoop low enough to make it a match? The total destruction of the joke that is Winston Peters has got to be worth a strategy. Trouble is that the media think that he adds colour and “makes politics interesting” whereas all he does is to lower the tone into the cesspit.
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March 21, 2012 9:18am
Manolo

toad and the Luddites want Smith’s head for not going far enough with the ETS (they claim for higher taxes).
I want Smith’s resignation for the opposite reason: for simply passing the dreadful ETS.
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March 21, 2012 9:18am
david

Again BS Toad – read the letter.
All that letter does is to pass an opinion (as a friend) as to her state of health before the accident. The assessors have an absolute choice as to how much weight should be given to this self-confessed lay opinion.
As to the use of letterhead, if he had used plain paper I doubt that the Assessors would be so ignorant to not work out who Nick Smith was.
C’mon, give them some credit for intelligence unless of course you consider that all true knowledge only resides within the Green Party offices.
Stop using this blog to trot out the talking points decided by Green Caucus. Come to think about it green is the colour of envy isn’t it. What are you envious about Toad, that your party has only the power to bleat and whine rather than to make policy and run the country?
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March 21, 2012 9:25am
MikeG

Is there no end to the financial wizardry of Bill English:
“The Finance Minister has conceded that in the long-term the Government might have to borrow to invest capital in its partially privatised energy companies.”

Let’s sell some of our assets now so that later on we can borrow more to keep control of them! If Bill English is so sure it’s the right thing to do why doesn’t he release the advice that Treasury has given him?
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March 21, 2012 9:43am
Paulus

Why did neither the Herald or the Dom publish the letter – which is actually quite innocuous – that’s why.
BUT the Herald published the word Sex in this context because Peters under Parliamentary Priviledge mentioned the word.
Where for the life of me is sex involved – but the repeaters copy what they want to.
No wonder the media are held in such low esteem.
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March 21, 2012 9:46am
Put it away

Toad you just look desperate. The entire point of the letter was to say what the claimant was like years ago before the accident, obviously he has to say how he knows this “long standing friend”.
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March 21, 2012 9:57am
eszett

I want Smith’s resignation for the opposite reason: for simply passing the dreadful ETS

Nick Smith didn’t pass the ETS, parlaiment did.
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March 21, 2012 10:11am
Thinker

I’m surprised that Nick Smith’s huge influence in the Peter Ellis investigation has not been investigated. Smith’s connections were well known through successive governments and parliaments. Nick’s good friend John Banks was Minister of Police back then and he could probably confirm connections and influence.
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March 21, 2012 10:33am
david

C’mon Thinker, spit it out. Don’t resort to snide innuendo like Peters, if you have evidence of wrongdoing, lets have it, otherwise STFU as you really have nothing of substance to offer this discussion.
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March 21, 2012 10:56am
barry

I dont think Smith has done anything wrong at all – and in fact I hope he tells all and sundry to go screw themselves …

But I also welcome the excitment in parliament when Winston Peters get up and flays one and all with almost every accusation he could think of. He has brought the place alive again – and is leaving Shearer in the dust. He might not be saying much – but its fun.
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March 21, 2012 11:05am
big bruv

I have just heard the most astonishing conversation on Radio Live.

Andrew Little called Laws to discuss the Nick Smith issue, almost immediately Little launched into an abusive rant, clearly he was totally out of control.

With one call Little has just said goodbye to any prospect of being the leader of the Labour party or the PM, he is clearly unbalanced and nothing more than a union thug.
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March 21, 2012 11:09am
joana

If Key doesn’t sack Smith , it will make him look very weak. Also , it will make a mockery of his earlier posturing about raising standards.
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March 21, 2012 12:06pm
Viking2

@Rick Rowling 8:33 am

Phil Heatley resigned over the minor indiscretion of charging 2 bottles of wine to his Ministerial credit card. Yet Smith seeks to retain his Cabinet post in the face of far more serious allegations of corruptly abusing his Ministerial position to support a friend and National Party crony. He should resign, or at least stand down while the matter is investigated.

Absolutely correct and having met Phil over the summer hols, I found him to be thoroughly nice guy. Never thought he deserved that treatment at the time, (when I didn’t know him), and still don’t.
Smith on the other hand is long past his useful date.
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March 21, 2012 12:25pm
david

As a reasonably frequent listener to Parliamentary broadcasts and radio interviews there is one thing I have to say about Nick Smith regarding “use-by-dates”. Of all the Ministers in this Parliament, he has handled some of the most frought situations, ones where emotions have run high and yet few, if any punches have been landed on him wrt to the decisions made. He has been across the detail of his portfolios like no other that I can think of in the past 20 years and has never lost his rag when asked stupid questions or pressured. For that I have a lot of time for him.

Yes the use of the letterhead was bad judgement but then I would warrant $100 to a knob of goatshit that it was one of a couple of hundred letters he signed that day, was innocuous in that it was not even addressed to anyone in particular and certainly not to anyone within ACC and clearly spelt out the limitations of the comment. Faced with a pile of letters to sign does anyone for a moment think that he would have considered the letterhead? More likely he scanned the content and signed it without even thinking about letterheads.

So, he deserves a rark-up about mixing personal-with-business but to be sacked? The bleating and niggling (not to mention the speculation about other motives) is a bit ingenuous given the proven track records of people like Winston Peters when it comes to true conflicts of interest (helicopters and dinners at the Viaduct courtesy of the Velas for example), donations in exchange for regulatory change in the racing industry anyone, oh and just where is our $158,000 Winston? There is a huge C word that can’t be used against Smith but should be against others.

The biggest question is how does Key shut this down so that next Monday it is off the media radar? Probably a resignation as Minister and some time in the wilderness for Nick I would think.
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March 21, 2012 12:45pm
joana

Melissa Wepa has been released today because supported accommodation came up earlier than expected. Why CHCh? Why hasn’t she been sent back to Porirua?
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March 21, 2012 1:34pm
Manolo

If Key doesn’t sack Smith, it will make him look very weak.

Even more? Is that possible? 🙂
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March 21, 2012 1:41pm
Scott Chris

Auckland To Get Double Decker Buses

Yay!!
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March 21, 2012 2:11pm
Thinker

>david (2,056) Says:
>March 21st, 2012 at 10:56 am

>C’mon Thinker, spit it out. Don’t resort to snide innuendo like Peters, if you have evidence of wrongdoing, lets have it, otherwise STFU as you really have nothing of substance to offer this discussion.

There’s no innuendo David. All provable.

How very coincidental was it then that Nick’s wife at the time was an aunt of one of the main Peter Ellis complainants? The old familial connections

How come Nick’s wife lobbied around Parliament for things against Ellis to happen?

Ask around Parliament and you’ll find that the Smiths familial connections to the Peter Ellis case were well known.

Ask the police if they knew the Smith connections.

Ask John Banks if he knew the connection.

Ask Jenny Shipley if she knew the connection.

The Smiths’ connections were the worst kept secret around government and parliamentary traps.

Go on David, off yer arse and ask around!

You might even find that Smith was not the only familial politician to have influence.

Nick’s current predicament would pale into insignifance if he was examined on the Peter Ellis thing.
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March 21, 2012 2:21pm
Lee01

“The reality of man apart from Christ is guilt and masochism. And guilt and masochism involve the unshakeable inner slavery which governs the total life of the non-Christian. The politics of the anti-Christian will thus inescapably be the politics of guilt. In the politics of guilt, man is perpetually drained of his social energy and cultural activity by his over-riding sense of guilt and his masochistic activity. He will progressively demand of the state a redemptive role. What he cannot do personally, i.e., to save himself, he demands that the state do for him, so that the state, as man enlarged, becomes the human savior of man. The politics of guilt, therefore, is not directed, as the Christian politics of liberty, to the creation of godly justice and order, but to the creation of a redeeming order, a saving state. Guilt must be projected, therefore, on all those who oppose this new order and new age.”

RJ Rushdoony
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March 21, 2012 3:27pm
ross69

> You might even find that Smith was not the only familial politician to have influence.

Lianne Dalziel certainly knows a thing or two but has remained remarkably quiet in public about the Ellis saga.
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March 21, 2012 3:35pm
Manolo

With cabinet members like this: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/20/chu-gives-himself-high-marks-on-gas-prices-drawing-criticism/
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March 21, 2012 3:36pm
Fletch

Interesting..
It’s quite well known that Obama is a friend of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (although he tried to shrug off the relationship).
Now it turns out that the postman who used to deliver the mail for Ayers’ parents remembers meeting Obama on the sidewalk, and Obama telling him matter-of-factly that he was going to become President of the United States.

Some scheming going on there?

CHICAGO – Did the parents of former Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers help finance Barack Obama’s Harvard education?

Did Ayers’ mother believe Obama was a foreign student?

And was the young Obama convinced at the time – long before he even entered politics – that he was going to become president of the United States?

A retired U.S. Postal Service carrier who delivered mail to Tom and Mary Ayers in a Chicago suburb in the late 1980s and early 1990s and claims to have met Obama in front of the Ayers home emphatically says yes to all three questions.

[…]

About a year after discussing with Mary Ayers the foreign student she and her husband were supporting, Hulton recalls meeting a young black male on the sidewalk in front of the Ayers home.

Hulton describes the man as being in his early 20s, noting that he was tall, thin, had a light complexion and that his ears stuck out.

“He greeted me,” Hulton says. “He was very polite, dressed nicely, but informally – slacks and a dress shirt – and he spoke with no accent. Immediately this young black man entered into conversation with me. He told me he had taken the train out from Chicago and had come to thank the Ayers family personally for having helped him with his education.”

Hulton remembers asking the young man what his plans were for the future.

“He looked right at me and told me he was going to be president of the United States,” Hulton says.

“There was a little bit of a grin on his face when he said it – he sounded sure of himself, but not arrogant. I know how people will say things because they have an ambition, but it did not come across that way,” Hulton says. “It came across as if this young black male was telling me he was going to be president, almost as if it were the statement of a scientific fact that had already been determined, as if his being president had been already pre-arranged.”

Hulton says the claim made him speechless.

“I kind of stuttered a response and said that nowadays anything is possible. I wished him good luck with his ambition,” he says.

Immediately, Hulton associated the young black man with the foreign student Mary Ayers had mentioned to him so enthusiastically about a year earlier.

“I remembered the conversation I had with Mary, and I associated this young man with the foreign student she had discussed with me, because Mary said they were supporting this foreign student, and the young black man I met outside the Ayers’ home said he had come to Glen Ellyn to thank the Ayers in person for helping him with his education.”

http://bit.ly/GzJBJo
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March 21, 2012 4:43pm
publicwatchdog

21 March 2012

Does NZ Prime Minister John Key have a serious ‘conflict of interest’ as a shareholder in the Bank of America which has a substantial shareholding in Bathurst Resources Ltd?

The Prime Minister’s office has just confirmed that John Key will be attending the Wellington office opening of Australian miner Bathurst Resources.

Is it appropriate that NZ Prime Minister John Key will be seen to ‘endorse the miner’s move when Bathurst’s controversial plans for a West Coast opencast mine on conservation land on the Denniston Plateau had been appealed against to the Environment Court, and the Conservation Department was still considering whether to grant access and a concession for the activity’.

Is this not a major ‘conflict of interest’ if Prime Minister John Key stands to personally profit from opencast coal mining on conservation land, because of his personal shareholding in the Bank of America, which, in turn is a significant shareholder in Bathurst Resources Ltd?

Whose interests are being served by NZ Prime Minister John Key?

His own?

As of 24 February 2012, the Bank of America was a substantial holder of shares in Bathurst Resources Ltd:

“Class of Securities (4) – Ordinary

Present Notice “Person’s Votes 72,302,308 Voting Power (5) 10.44%
http://www.bathurstresources.com/files/files/1079_20120229_Change_in_substantial_holding.pdf

NZ Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank Of America.

http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/28FF3CC9-5985-4721-B335-776C5EAE81DF/195667/register2011_1.pdf

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6608798/Green-protest-over-attendance-of-PM

Green protest over attendance of PM
DAVID WILLIAMS
Last updated 05:00 21/03/2012

Politics
Click Here

Green groups will today protest against Prime Minister John Key’s attendance at the Wellington office opening of Australian miner Bathurst Resources.

Perth-based Bathurst has all of its mines and permits in New Zealand and has stated its intention to move its headquarters to Wellington.

The invitation to its Willeston St office opening says: “The opening of this office is a further step in our long-term commitment to New Zealand.”

Bathurst has advised people attending tonight’s event that Key “will be officiating”, which Key’s office would not confirm to The Press.

Conservation group Forest & Bird is outraged that Key would be seen to endorse the miner’s move when Bathurst’s controversial plans for a West Coast opencast mine on conservation land on the Denniston Plateau had been appealed against to the Environment Court, and the Conservation Department was still considering whether to grant access and a concession for the activity.

“This is very clearly where the Government sits on mining in our protected national areas,” Forest & Bird conservation advocate Nicola Toki said.

She said that given the public protests last year against plans to allow mining on highly protected schedule four conservation land, and the Government’s subsequent U-turn, most New Zealanders would have thought the debate was over and had been won.

“For the prime minister to turn up and officiate at an event where an Australian company is signalling it intends to destroy a huge piece of public conservation land, is a bit on the nose,” she said. “I consider that his political antennae are not operating at full capacity.”

Groups attending the protest are expected to include WWF, Greenpeace, ECO and Coal Action Network Aotearoa, many of which have concerns about the climate-change implications of further mining. …..”

Is John Key’s resignation next?

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
waterpressure@gmail.com
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March 21, 2012 5:04pm
Other_Andy

@Penny

“Is this not a major ‘conflict of interest’ if Prime Minister John Key stands to personally profit from opencast coal mining on conservation land, because of his personal shareholding in the Bank of America, which, in turn is a significant shareholder in Bathurst Resources Ltd?”

And even worse Penny. I have heard that one of Key’s old Primary School’s classmates has an aunty who is in turn related to a retiree in Napier who has shares in Exxon Mobil and doesn’t believe in anthropogenic Global Warming. Whose interests are being served by NZ Prime Minister John Key?
Has he no shame?
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March 21, 2012 5:23pm
Nookin

So readers can assess your expressions of concern, Penny, please advise
1. How many shares does Key have in Bank of America?
2. What is the total share issue of Bank of America?
3. What percentage of the total Bank of America portfolio is represented by the Bathhurst holding?
4. What percentage fluctuation in the value of shares of the Bathhurst holding will have any effect on the value of the Bank of America shares?
5. What fluctuation in value is likely if Key attends?
6. Will his attendance makes any difference to Bathhursts decision makers?
7. If so, how?
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March 21, 2012 5:32pm
Scott Chris

What is Graphene?

Said to be the strongest material ever measured, an improvement upon and a replacement for silicon and the most conductive material known to man, its properties have sent the science world – and subsequently the media – into a spin.
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March 21, 2012 5:38pm
Other_Andy

@Elaysee

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/general_debate_20_march_2012.html#comment-947217

It looks like Joana was right yesterday.

French police hunting anti-Semitic gunman raid house

A French police special forces unit hunting an anti-Semitic serial killer launched a pre-dawn raid on a house where a man claiming Al-Qaeda ties was holed up, police sources said.
The suspect is thought to be a 24-year-old man who had previously travelled to the lawless border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan which is known to house al-Qaeda safehouses, one of the officials told AFP.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10793598
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March 21, 2012 5:49pm
nasska

Other_Andy

And yet the Muslim cuddling MSM of the West still can’t speak or write the obvious truth. To describe the piece of shit suspected of the cowardly killing of school kids as “Indo-Aryan” (as he will certainly be) would make the PC wankers choke.

Our craven media make me nauseous.
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March 21, 2012 6:05pm
Michael Mckee

Fletch
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/what_the_mailman_knows_about_ayers_and_obama.html

all this was available in 2008, no one wanted to chase it.
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March 21, 2012 6:29pm
mikenmild

Does anyone care about the Obama and Ayers ‘story’? Wasn’t this thoroughly aired last campaign?
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March 21, 2012 6:42pm
jcuk

Sort of having your cake and eating it 🙂
The power companies could be reetained in new zelanders hand if only the shares to be sold were organised as only to be held by Kiwis, feathered or human.
Likewise there is no need for the Government to do that dreasdful thing ‘borrow more’ to pay for 51% of share issues it the legislations stipulated that hte government held 51% ,whatever the total value was after a float.
Both principles are so obvious but this clueless bunch of politicians running[ down?] the country simply cannot be bothered to do anything sensible.
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March 21, 2012 6:43pm
Scott Chris

And yet the Muslim cuddling MSM of the West still can’t speak or write the obvious truth.

What obvious truth?
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March 21, 2012 7:06pm
Johnboy

What sort of publicwatchdog are you actually Penny?

Its just that we were having a bit of an argument in the Shearers Arms the other night and one of the blokes said you reminded him of a Rottweiler.

Nah says I, more like a Rotty, Bulldog, Pitty X sort of dog.

A jug depends on your answer! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 7:12pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Apparently the story is yet to break on here of the Employment Courts ruling on the waterfront dispute, or maybe the previous trumpet blowers have got a sock stuck in their blow holes. Anyway, work looks set to resume which is in the interest of the economy.
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March 21, 2012 7:12pm
Johnboy

How about this obvious truth Scotty:

This will frighten the stuffing out of you, and we are getting close to 2% in Aus, and all those B****y loads coming in!!!! and not far off it in NZ.

This, not the Chinese or the Russians represent the greatest threat to the world and might be the fulfillment of the book of Revelation in the Holy Bible.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:
The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

>From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.
The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53..1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

>From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as
in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
‘Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities.
In
such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.
The children attend madrasses.
They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
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March 21, 2012 7:16pm
mikenmild

That’s quite some rant there Johnboy.
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March 21, 2012 7:20pm
Daigotsu

It’s copy-pasted, miken.

Whoever wrote it obviously isn’t aware that Bosnia hasn’t seen “chronic militia warfare” since 1995 and it was 90% directed against muslims, not towards them.

Similarly, where is the state-run genocide in Bangladesh, Turkey etc?
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March 21, 2012 7:22pm
Manolo

Johnboy, to cut a long story short: barbaric Islam is the vilest of all religions.
Backward looking and primitive, this cult of a paedophile “prophet”, deserves to be rejected by any intelligent person.
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March 21, 2012 7:23pm
mikenmild

Daigotsu
I didn’t really figure it would need too detailed a critique. It appeals to the likes of Monolo, of course, but that’s about the extent of its credibility.
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March 21, 2012 7:24pm
Scott Chris

Heh, Muslims really are the new Jews.

~Let’s round ’em up and stick ’em in concentration camps eh?~
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March 21, 2012 7:26pm
Johnboy

Glad you liked it Milky. 🙂

Got to give the pot a good stir now and a again.

Turkey has been in refusal since the Armenian Genocide Daigotsu.

I have great hopes for the new Islamic Government! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 7:26pm
Johnboy

Slow down Scotty. Take a tranquilliser.

No one is recruiting Reichsfuhrers just yet.

We will put you on the shortlist! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 7:29pm
nasska

Johnboy

Thanks for that……I read it on another blog a couple of years ago & didn’t take a file copy. There will be a few apologists for ‘the religion of peace’ who will wonder what hit them when all the Somalians in the Hutt join with the friendly kebab makers in Newtown.

Shariah courts in Lambton Quay? Stonings of adulterers on Petone Beach? It’s not far away now.
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March 21, 2012 7:33pm
Johnboy

No sweat nasska. The kebab makers are toast. Scotty is ready to toss them all into the pizza oven! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 7:38pm
kowtow

johnboy

Well done keep it up. The message has to get out there.
We are taking 5000 immigrants from India every year. I’d estimate that 20% could be Muslim.Add the refugee intake and family reunion and the numbers start to add up.

Public debate?

Not a chance.

And Muslims are not the new Jews. I reckon that honour goes to the indigenous Christians of the Middle East who are fleeing in ever greater numbers,and it ain’t the Zionists who are bombing their churches,no it’s the adherents of the religion of peace.
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March 21, 2012 7:39pm
Johnboy

“We are taking 5000 immigrants from India every year.”

As long as they vote Labour kowtow.

As long as they vote Labour! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 7:42pm
mikenmild

I’d be interested in an example of Muslims infiltrating a country and then taking it over, imposing sharia law etc, etc,.
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March 21, 2012 7:44pm
F E Smith

So is the killer a neo-nazi or not?

edit: kowtow,

interesting point. Powerline had a similar one a day or so ago

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/03/29-days-of-persecution.php
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March 21, 2012 7:45pm
nasska

mikenmild

Parts of Britain are no go zones for police. There’s screaming from Muslims in Bradford & a few other shitholes for shariah enclaves. The British parliamentarians are more piss weak & short sighted than ours even so capitulation is guaranteed.

Once it starts watch for the domino effect.
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March 21, 2012 7:52pm
Johnboy

Hope he is not a disgruntled lawyer recently fallen on hard times FESter. 🙂
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March 21, 2012 7:53pm
mikenmild

nasska
So you say, but although there’s lots of loose talk about imminent Muslim takeover, that talk’s been around for a long time and nothing has really happened.
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March 21, 2012 7:59pm
nasska

I’m having some problems with my new Staffordshire Bull Terrier – I rang the vet for some advice.
I explained he was brown, stupid, aggressive and liable to attack anyone for no good reason.
The vet replied, “Muzzle ‘im?”
“No,” I said, “I think he’s an atheist.”
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March 21, 2012 7:59pm
Johnboy

I’ve been on so many blind dates I should get a free dog.

I bought my grandmother a Seeing Eye dog. But he’s a little sadistic. He does impressions of cars screeching to a halt.

A guy wanted the vet to cut his dog’s tail off. The vet asked why. Well, my mother in law is visiting next month and I want to eliminate any possible indication that she thinks she is welcome.
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March 21, 2012 8:08pm
nasska

mikenmild

Once you get a group, any racial or religious group, ghettocising themselves in an area & excluding those not of their language or faith then to all intents & purposes it’s a take over. Muslims may only be a small section of the population but they don’t integrate & they live in clusters.You won’t read it in newspapers because like here the left wing journalists simply refuse to write anything other than patronising pap about Muslims.

Instead you should read a cross section of blogs, or better still talk with recent immigrants from Britain about what is happening in their cities.

It’s not pretty.
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March 21, 2012 8:09pm
Nostalgia-NZ

The following is obviously a rumour.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13229244/ports-of-auckland-puts-plans-on-hold/
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March 21, 2012 8:11pm
Scott Chris

So is the killer a neo-nazi or not?

You mean the alleged killer? No apparently he’s a French national of Algerian origin claiming links with Al Qaeda.
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March 21, 2012 8:11pm
nasska

Whenever a Muslim farmer commits suicide.

There must be 72 virgin sheep shitting themselves.
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March 21, 2012 8:11pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Mum’s the word on this lot…..

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13229244/ports-of-auckland-puts-plans-on-hold/
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March 21, 2012 8:15pm
Johnboy

Whenever I open the gate to my bottom paddock that happens nasska and I’ve never been a muslim suicide bomber! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 8:18pm
kowtow

Toulose shootings.

yesterday it was ex paras dismissed for being neo Nazis. Today it’s al Qieda. Is it possible the French govt wanted to discredit the “far right” in an attempt to smear LePen and co . The Spanish govt made the same mistake at the time of the Madrdi bombings, they blamed the Basques very quickly and helped lose an election when the bombings were done by…….Muslims.
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=262529

diagotsu
Turkey has seen a slow but sure and almost total collapse of it’s Greek community even under “secularist” Ataturk.While Christians disappear in Turkey the numbers of Muslims grows in Greece. Lots of literature on the subject. Educate yourself. And Bangladesh is another country struggling with fundamentalism. Remember it used to be part of India,but the Muslims refused to be a minority so established Pakistan,the Pure Country.

milky
Asia Minor was a Greek Christian country until the Muslim invasion,so was Egypt . The Copts are the indigenous Egyptians and were a majority until a wave of Arab Muslim immigration in around 12 or 1300 AD.Bosnia would be another example and the Muslims are trying to gobble up areas of Christian Serbia, no thanks to Bill Clinton.Albania. Who carved the Bamiyan statues in “Muslim” Afghanistan.Where have all the Buddhists gone?
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March 21, 2012 8:20pm
nasska

Johnboy

Ah yes, but have the sheep converted to Islam behind your back & know what is in store for them?
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March 21, 2012 8:23pm
Johnboy

Always amazes me how the stupid pricks on the left support the Islamic take over of the west kowtow.

Godless lefties are always the first that Islam does away with.

Bye Milky. Bye Scotty! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 8:24pm
kowtow

Who says you can’t be a neo Nazi and an Arab . After all the Bosnians signed up big time in the SS and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was also a Nazi sympathiser.
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March 21, 2012 8:24pm
mikenmild

Yeah kowtow, those naughty Bosnian Muslims, they must have started all that trouble there, eh? Got what they deserved at Srebrenica, did they?
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March 21, 2012 8:24pm
Johnboy

Don’t think so nasska. None of them are older than nine! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 8:26pm
Johnboy

None so blind as them who will not see Milky.

http://natural-beauty-pavocavalry.blogspot.co.nz/2009/04/bosnian-muslim-atrocities-against-serbs.html
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March 21, 2012 8:28pm
nasska

Johnboy

At least at nine they should give safe head!
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March 21, 2012 8:30pm
Johnboy

Here’s another for you Milky.

Get your blinkers off lad. Shit happens during wars.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3254890.stm
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March 21, 2012 8:34pm
Johnboy

Obviously you are very familiar with the dental pathology of the sheep nasska!! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 8:36pm
mikenmild

Well, well Johnboy, next you’ll be using that excuse for Nazis at Auschwitz or the Russians at Katyn.
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March 21, 2012 8:37pm
Griff

Johnboy sheep
Mohammad goats
you wouldn’t be considering a new religion would you JB
If it involves virgins and stuff I might join as long as its not like the cowlicks and has little boys
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March 21, 2012 8:38pm
kowtow

mm
Srebernica.No,slaughter of innocent people like that can never be justified or to use your word “deserved” and you are out of order there.
Mind you I have seen people try to justify the Armenian genocide on the grounds of them being a threat to the Ottoman Empire.
Srebernica was a massacre,the Armenians was genocide.

Historically if the Turks had not sought to conquer Christian Europe and colonised the Balkans then no those atrocities would never have occurred.
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March 21, 2012 8:41pm
Johnboy

Hell no Milky or I would have to use it for our Soviet allies invasion and rape of Berlin or ethnic folks accepting no quarter at Little Bighorn and Isandlwana.

I couldn’t do that or I would be as one eyed as you! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 8:41pm
nasska

Griff

You know what they say in Saudi Arabia……a woman for work, a goat for pleasure but a boy for ecstasy.
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March 21, 2012 8:43pm
Johnboy

But in colder climes a sheep also keeps you warm at night nasska.
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March 21, 2012 8:46pm
mikenmild

kowtow
You are drawing a very long bow if you are somehow trying to link the Srebrenica massacre to the Ottoman conquest of the Balkans, That’s like saying it was okay for the Germans to invade France in 1840 because Napoleon had conquered Germany 150 years before.

You were the one claiming that the Bosnian Muslims are ‘trying to gobble up areas of Christian Serbia’. Laughable, in a deeply tragic way.
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March 21, 2012 8:46pm
Mary Rose

> Is it possible the French govt wanted to discredit the “far right” in an attempt to smear LePen and co .

First victims were Muslims, then Jews, so looked like it was a racist doing the killings.

This guy seems to be a terrorist who doesn’t like the French Army being in Afghanistan and sees Muslims in the army as traitors.

But it was some government conspiracy (which let’s face it, would fall apart the minute the killer was found, so pretty lame idea), it plays against Sarkozy more than Le Pen.

He’s been using far right rhetoric – and halal meat – as a cause to rally people to re-elect him president. The suggestion by the left being that somehow his campaign led to the shootings.
Which is also absurd, unless the killer only formed his views in the last couple of weeks.
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March 21, 2012 8:49pm
Johnboy

I hardly think the Rhine Crisis of 1840 ranks very highly in warlike behaviour Milky.

Brush up on your history lad if you expect anyone to take you seriously! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 8:53pm
Griff

If thats the case I will just stick to pastafarean arrrg goes with the bow sprit and I get to wear an eye patch on Sundays
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March 21, 2012 8:54pm
nasska

A Pashtun Taliban was walking in the street dragging a goat on a leash.

“Ahmad, what is that? Did you buy a goat?”

“So what? Can’t a poor Pashtun have a goat?”

“Yes, but where will you keep him? You live in one room with your wife and five daughters?”

“I’ll keep him in our room.”

“But Ahmad, what about the stink?”

“The goat will just have to get used to it.”
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March 21, 2012 8:54pm
joana

There was a post on Winds of Jihad recently re Catholics being ”cleansed” from Bosnia. Good post john boy ..I have seen those figures before but it is good to put them on here and publicize them. There is a lot of talk of sharia law in Australia but not much mention of the sharia advocate who was arrested on child porn charges..a convert Siddiq-Conlon.
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March 21, 2012 8:58pm
Griff

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/17455224

0753:

French media are reporting that the suspect’s brother who was arrested was picked up by police at a different location in Toulouse. A second brother has presented himself to the police.
0751:

The interior minister also said the suspect has links with “Salafists and Jihadists”.
0750:

Mr Gueant told French TV that the man informed police he wanted to “avenge Palestinian children”. The suspect also denounced French “crimes” in Afghanistan.
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March 21, 2012 8:59pm
joana

No worries Elaycee..I am not an I told you so person.
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March 21, 2012 9:00pm
Johnboy

No worries Griff.

Luc and Milky will probably retain Lord Birkenhead to defend him as Milord needs the work seeing as ambulance chasing is getting a lot harder in NZ! 🙂
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March 21, 2012 9:05pm
kowtow

mm
No long bow. Simple historic fact.
If the Turks had not colonised the Balkans then there’d be no Muslims there.
Serbia, one reason the Serbs are so upset is that areas of historical,religious and cultural significance to them have been incorporated into Bosnia.

It’s all about migration,population,conquest. That’s history,fact,real.It happens everyday,it’s happening now.

MaryRose.
I’m quoting the french,not making it up.Initially it was neo Nazis who were claimed to be the suspects.Dismissed paras.
Since when do French politicians get credit for coming up with anything sensible?They’re some of the scummiest on the planet.
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March 21, 2012 9:20pm
mikenmild

Ha ha kowtow
Next you’ll be saying the Norwegians have a claim to North America on account of the Viking voyages.
Or maybe if the British hadn’t colonised New Zealand it would have saved all sorts of trouble.
As it was you are merely flirting with blaming the victims.
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March 21, 2012 9:24pm
Other_Andy

@MM

It isn’t all that clear cut MM.
There is a long history in the Balkans….

From 1941-1945, Bosnia-Hercegovina was part of the NDH, Nezavisna Drzava Hrvatska, the Independent State of Croatia.
With the assistance of Haj Amin el Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and Reichsfuehrer SS Heinrich Himmler, the Bosnian Muslim leadership undertook the systematic extermination of the Jewish and non-Muslim, non-Croat population of Bosnia-Hercegovina.
Two Waffen SS Divisions and other Nazi and fascist formationsÝ were formed to advance the goals of the Third Reich and of Islam. The goal of the Muslims was to achieve autonomyÝ and independence for Bosnia- Hercegovina under Muslim rule.
The Mufti travelled several times to Bosnia, where on orders of the SS he recruited the notorious “Hanjar troopers,” a special Bosnian Waffen SS company which slaugh-tered 90% of Bosnia’s Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler.
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March 21, 2012 9:34pm
Mary Rose

Kowtow:
>Initially it was neo Nazis who were claimed to be the suspects.

Because the ‘profile’ of the killer suggested it was a racist rather than a terrorist motive.

I never said you making anything up, just that a government conspiracy seemed improbable.
The government was appointed by Sarkozy.
Sarkozy’s re-election campaign has been focussing on halal meat etc to try to take votes off Le Pen. (Herald had a story on it this week).
The left have used the killings to attack Sarkozy.

So if it is was a government conspiracy, they shot their own president in the foot.
And it fell apart in the early hours of the French morning when this guy started shooting policemen.
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March 21, 2012 9:34pm
Elaycee

Other_Andy points out: “@Elaysee (sic) it looks like Joana was right yesterday. French police hunting anti-Semitic gunman raid house”

YES! It appears she was correct and she clearly knew better that Al Jazeera, Sky News UK and the BBC who all reported at the time that this was a plot by some neo-nazis who had been kicked out of the French Army some time back.

Joana – I stand in your shadow. I was wrong. Now, could you also lend your considerable talent to solving the Peter Ellis fiasco / put the arguments to bed relating to the Scott Watson conviction and please help fill the gaps regarding the Bain murders.

Many thanks, Elaycee (L.A.C.) 🙂
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March 21, 2012 9:52pm
Viking2

Rough night in the bay.
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