General Debate 9 February 2012

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Manolo

A refugee, maybe? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6384892/Khandallah-Post-Shop-robbery-footage-released
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February 9, 2012 8:08am
Yvette

The Government is banking on a windfall of as much as $7 billion from the sales, though not all of that will be used to pay down debt.

As debt may be around $ 28 billion [hard to find an accurate figure] why is the Labour Party, NZ First or any investigative journalists [ha,ha …ha – merde] not asking how the other more than three quarters of debt to be paid?
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February 9, 2012 8:14am
Scott Chris

A Chilling Story:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/6387984/US-teen-thrill-killer-jailed/
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February 9, 2012 8:33am
Monique Watson

Have blogged about this article about overcrowding and poverty.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10784293

Yadayada, capitalism bad, need more money etcetc
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February 9, 2012 8:39am
hj

Why the energy industry is so invested in climate change denial

The world most’s profitable companies are valued by their carbon reserves – never mind the resulting ruin to the planet

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/07/why-energy-industry-so-invested-climate-denail?
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February 9, 2012 8:58am
Manolo

He was wise, wasn’t he? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098064/John-F-Kennedy-bought-1-200-Cuban-cigars-hours-ordered-US-trade-embargo.html
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February 9, 2012 9:03am
hj

Libertarians (“we buy farmland over there, they can buy it over here….and it all kind of levels out in an acceptable way”) look a lot like the “progressive advocates of globalisation” who want us all to share overcrowding and squalor.
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“Both in New Zealand and globally, the best of the leftwing tradition has always rejected small-minded nationalism, xenophobia and racism. In fact, leftists of an internationalist tradition have always favoured globalization and getting rid of national borders and barriers to migration. Progressive advocates of globalization of course do not defend a handful of rich imperialist countries, including New Zealand, dominating the world’s economy, but instead advocate an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit. ”
http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2012/02/guest-blog-post-john-moore-leftwing-xenophobia-in-new-zealand.html
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February 9, 2012 9:04am
hj

“In fact, leftists of an internationalist tradition have always favoured globalization and getting rid of national borders and barriers to migration”
……..
you can see Keith Locke there:

“”Our policy is the opposite of Winston Peters’,” the Party’s Immigration Spokesperson Keith Locke says.

“We have no fear of migrants. The Green Party says ‘Welcome Home – this is your country now’. Our welcome extends to the families of new migrants. The Green Party policy is fundamentally humanitarian, not exclusionary like Mr Peters’.

“Rather than foster suspicion about refugees, we want New Zealand to do more to provide a safe haven for those fleeing from oppression. Our policy proposes an increase in annual refugee intake from the present 750 to 1000 by 2010.”
http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy
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February 9, 2012 9:11am
Lance

I see more fuckwits causing trouble with high power lasers (burning lasers) are in court for shining (attacking) these at aircraft. But these clowns decided the Eagle (Police Helicopter) was a good target….. WRONG MOVE.
At the Uni of Auck lasers of power outputs around the level these over the counter models are rated at, were considered dangerous and only trained operators were allowed to use them in carefully controlled conditions.
There is the usual call for banning because of the actions of the small number of complete retards but there are some people that find these devices useful.
A more sensible option would be a license like a firearm. Yes this would cost more but those that REALLY need these items such a fee would not be that big an impediment but the jerk-offs will move onto fireworks or something.
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February 9, 2012 9:33am
Paulus

OK do not partial sell Assets.
Cancel Working for Families and
Interest Free Student Loans instead.
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February 9, 2012 9:43am
Longknives

Sonny Bill Williams can beat his chest and compare himself to ‘Ali all he wants but anyone who knows boxing can tell you he would get destroyed very quickly by anyone who actually knows how to box…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/6388727/Sir-Bob-Jones-SBW-Tillman-fight-a-joke
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February 9, 2012 9:47am
Longknives

In fact I having just watched the replay of that pathetic scripted ‘farce’ that masqueraded as a ‘title fight’ -I think I would just about back my 86 year old Grandmother to beat that fat pudding Clarence Tillman…RIP NZ Boxing’s credibility..
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February 9, 2012 9:51am
bereal

It has been obvious that standards have been falling rather drastically at the New Zealand Herald.

An item from asistant political editor Claire Trevett in todays edition (page A9) continues the trend.

Priceless gems such as, ‘There it was, the Muhammad Ali question- the one that floats like a butterfly
and stings like a bee.’
‘Set down for the Prime Minister.
Does he have confidence in all his ministers ?’

‘Government ministers were pale with fear.’

‘There was almost palpable relief from National when it was revealed that Peters’ target was Maori Party Tariana Turia.’

Then she goes on, ‘It wasn’t a killer blow, but slow drips erode the hardest rocks.’

‘In the ecosystem of Parliament the Maori Party is in danger of becomming the krill.”

‘The co-leaders sit opposite the baleen whales of Peters and Hone Harawira.’

Somebody should bring it to the attention of Claire that Parliaments question time is televised these days.
A breathless excited report, but I watched it on TV and guess what ?
i didn’t see too many Ministers, ‘Pale with fear.”

In fact the Speaker ruled Peters’ supplementary question in order but added, “How intelligable it is is another matter.’

We look forward to some improvement in Claires effort comming next Thursday.
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February 9, 2012 10:05am
fatnuts

Images of the deep freeeze gripping Europe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097779/Europe-weather-Snow-covers-continent-temperatures-plunge-MINUS-40C.html

Ice age Europe: How the big freeze, with temperatures as low as MINUS 40, has turned Britain and the continent BLUE
Hundreds of Eastern European villages cut off as temperatures plummet to -40C
Melting snow causes dam wall to break and flood entire village in southern Bulgaria, killing four
European crisis commissioner says ‘the worst is yet to come’
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February 9, 2012 10:07am
hj

Puppets on a string: US think tank funds NZ sceptics

The Heartland Institute, the US organisation that plays a key role in organised climate denial, has directly funded New Zealand’s most prominent sceptics, a search of US Internal Revenue Service documents has revealed. In 2007, Heartland granted US$25,000 (NZ$32,000) to the NZ Climate “Science” Coalition, sending the money to NZ CSC member Owen McShane. They also gifted the International Climate Science Coalition US$45,000 (NZ$59,000), forwarding the cash to NZ CSC webmaster and ICSC founding chairman Terry Dunleavy. The documents do not reveal what the money was used for, but four NZ CSC members attended the December 2007 Bali conference as part of an ICSC delegation. Bryan Leyland, energy advisor to both CSCs, confirmed in 2008 that “some expenses” for the trip had been covered by Heartland, but the NZ CSC has never revealed the full extent of the Heartland Institute funding of their operations, or its role in the expansion of their “climate science coalition” franchise.
http://hot-topic.co.nz/puppets-on-a-string-us-think-tank-funds-nz-sceptics/

not that those lobbiests for immigration, more roads and no developper levis are short of a bob themselves?
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February 9, 2012 10:13am
Lance

@hj
I love it.
Pot and Kettle material on funding sources.

Follow the money LOL
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February 9, 2012 10:17am
fatnuts

Hj, that’s old news. And big deal. About 2 minutes worth of carbon tax..
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February 9, 2012 10:20am
grumpyoldhori

Jeez the Israelis and Iranians could get interesting.
Would the Israelis use nukes on Iran ?
Would they be stupid enough to bomb that Russian built reactor which is staffed by Russians
And Vlad the impalers response to a few hundred Russians being killed would be what ?
Those fuckwit Israeli firsters in the jesusland could find that Israel ends up with a tiger by the tail.

http://wartard.blogspot.co.nz/2010/11/my-favourite-war-that-hasnt-happened_08.html
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February 9, 2012 10:47am
Luc Hansen

Bill English on RNZ this morning giving us the benefit of his wondrous intellect and breadth of ambition for his country, namely more “stumbling through” for the economy and the gem that his major ambition for “the next few years” is to tackle long term welfare.

Let’s be clear that long term welfare dependents could certainly use some help to escape the welfare trap, but we know that Bill’s approach will always be of the punitive variety, especially aping failed policies from countries such as the US and Britain that merely drive people from the rolls and into the invisible undercaste – well, invisible until we can get them into the nearest courthouse on their way to jail.

Anyway, here are a couple or three stats to illuminate the discussion:

1. NZ has the second lowest rate of long term unemployed in the OECD (2010 figures)

2. NZ had the third lowest rate of increase in LTU 2007-2010 (Kudos t0 Labour for that performance?)

3. Amongst the OECD countries we usually compare ourselves to, the industrialized European nations plus japan, we rank 14 out of 19 nations in social spending as a percentage of GDP (2010).

So we are kidding ourselves when we think our welfare provisions are particularly generous, when we look at the whole picture. That’s a puritanical wet dream.

English wants to justify his salary by spending his time, years of his time, fiddling with non-existent problems while he muddles through the economic nightmare exacerbated by his foisting of a structural deficit on NZ with his loony tax cuts.

One other thing, DPF told us yesterday that median after tax wages have risen, which is true but is also sophistry. He relies on tax cuts, outweighed for most with the rise in GST. In fact, OECD figures show that nominal wages/unit labour costs have declined over most of the OECD nations, with NZ being about the middle of the pack.

The after-tax figure is the one most open to government manipulation, as DPF has illustrated.
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February 9, 2012 10:57am
RightNow

“For years, I disseminated the hypotheses of the IPCC, and I feel duped.”
Fritz Vahrenholt, prominent German Social Democrat and former German Environment Minister, outgoing CEO of the renewable energy group RWE Innogy.

“Today, I want new scientific findings to be included in the climate debate. It would then become clear that the simple equation that CO2 and other man-made greenhouse gases are almost exclusively responsible for climate change is unsustainable. It hasn’t gotten any warmer on this planet in almost 14 years, despite continued increases in CO2 emissions. Established climate science has to come up with an answer to that.”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,813814,00.html
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February 9, 2012 10:57am
Lance

Oh dear
grumpy is giving advice to the Israelis on how to manage issues with an irrational and dangerous (near) neighbour.

and this little gem
“Those fuckwit Israeli firsters in the jesusland”

This would be the same Israelis that have held off millions of Arabs bent on their destruction.

What a dick
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February 9, 2012 10:58am
Pete George

If anyone’s still interested in the Breats v. Bottle issue Danyl has a good post on it, especially on breastfeeding rates and inclinations – it’s the demographics most needing natural immunity protection for babies that are least likely to breastfeed (about a half).
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February 9, 2012 11:01am
Luc Hansen

fatnuts

Scientists have been warning us for years of increasing incidents of extreme weather events. This is all part of the deal of polluting the atmosphere. Melting ice has to have a cooling effect somewhere, and this is adding to the cold temperatures in Europe.

In fact, I heard a commentator in Europe say that this weather used to be more common, but now people aren’t used to it these days.
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February 9, 2012 11:01am
fatnuts

Read the article Lance. It’s not news that coventional war against Iran is unlikely to be successful. When / if Iran goes nuclear, shuts down the Strait of Hormuz – access to 1/4 of the worlds oil, some tinderkeg scenarios open up.
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February 9, 2012 11:04am
Luc Hansen

Lance, would these be the same Arabs who vote for the two state solution every year at the UN, along with nearly every other country except for the US and Israel (and sometimes Australia and Canada depending on the current bribe on offer) and the same Arabs who, in addition, have offered full normalization of relations to Israel in return for a two state settlement?
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February 9, 2012 11:04am
RightNow

Grumpy, that was dated November 2010.
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February 9, 2012 11:09am
fatnuts

Luc, refer be below:

“The IPCC, the UK Hadley and CRU, NOAA CCSP and NASA models all predict less snow for the hemisphere and major populated regions as temperatures warmed.”

http://www.nipccreport.org/articles/2011/apr/13apr2011a3.html
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February 9, 2012 11:14am
Brian Smaller

@Luc Hansen – you mean the same Arabs that vote for a two state solution, and then say “from the Jordan to the sea.” The only solution they want is a Final Solution. They are probably honest men – why wont you take them at their word? The Israelis do.
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February 9, 2012 11:16am
Keeping Stock

Great column by Richard Boock on Stuff today about the journalists getting taken in by Dylan Clements over the Waitangi Day pub crawl. There must be some red faces at Fairfax and APN…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/boock-on-wowsers.html
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February 9, 2012 11:23am
KevinH

The SBW fight was a comedy farce and Tillman was blatantly taking the money. SBW would not last 2 mins with a genuine heavyweight like Tua, and would probably last 2 rounds with Shane mountain man Cameron, because Shane wouldn’t want to mess SBW’s good looks up to quickly.
Come on guys give us something real.
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February 9, 2012 11:31am
grumpyoldhori

Lance I notice some so called NZ citizens were saying we should be understanding when a Israeli firster who was born in NZ helped Mossadd to try and steal NZ passport then he ran home to Israel.

Fuck some of you lot would have dual NZ/Israelis working in our passport section.
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February 9, 2012 11:37am
grumpyoldhori

Brian Smaller And that is the point, Israel cannot stop Iran getting nukes unless the Yanks invade Iran for regime change.
And yes there are Israeli firsters in the USA who would happily chant onward xtian soldiers.
The same dumb fucks who stated all Iraqis would welcome an invasion.

No doubt they still believe the Iranians would not fight an invasion.
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February 9, 2012 11:48am
Lee01

Luc,

“Lance, would these be the same Arabs who vote for the two state solution every year at the UN, along with nearly every other country except for the US and Israel”

We already have a two state solution. Jordan is the other state. There is no need for a “palestinian” state. There is no such thing as a “palestinian”. They are Arabs. The entire notion of a palestinian people needing a state is a post 1948 myth created by the Arabs to justify Arab fascist terrorism against Jews. The “palestinians” are an invented people. If the Arabs currently occupying Jewish land want their own state, they can move to Jordan.
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February 9, 2012 12:02pm
fatnuts

Lee, even the US accepts the two state solution. And they’re picking up the tab.
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February 9, 2012 12:12pm
RightNow

Ripped off by Bullion Buyer:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10784326

The writing was on the wall given their only ‘broker’ was done for fraud in the US and had already lost hundreds of thousands of other people’s money:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10750391

Bullion Buyer is run by Grace Holdings NZ Ltd, whose sole director is Robert Kairua (also a director of KIWI SUPERANNUATION LIMITED) although another director, Simon George Bratley, only resigned in January

http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/individual/search?q=bratley+simon&roleType=DIR&indEntityTypes=ALL&indDirStatus=ALL&indEntityStatusGroups=ALL&addressKeyword=&advancedPanel=false#results

If it seems too good to be true – it probably is.
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February 9, 2012 12:28pm
Lance

@grumpy
Love the rhetoric;
Anyone pro Israel is labelled “Israel firster”. Haven’t seen that title used for anyone else pro a certain country.
Then if someone doesn’t agree with you they are a “so called NZ citizens”

Who taught you to use those phrases?

What a sock puppet
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February 9, 2012 12:52pm
grumpyoldhori

Lance, are you stating that that arsehole who committed treason while being a NZ citizen was not a Israeli firster ?

A yank cousin was telling me of so called US citizens who put Israel above the USA’s interests, and yes they dislike the truth being pointed out that they are Israeli firsters.

Maybe you can point out another country that tried to steal our passports ?
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February 9, 2012 2:00pm
Lance

@grumpy
If he is a traitor then call him a traitor, hell I wasn’t excusing it! This new bullshit term Israel firster is not used for Russian firster etc.
If you read carefully is was the rhetoric I was criticizing

Reeks of towing a party line and using the latest fad labels, hence why I think you sound like a sock puppet.
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February 9, 2012 2:29pm
F E Smith

grumpy,

Re your 10.47am comment: Vlad the Impaler was not Russian.

I will ignore the rest of your views as they are simply trolling.
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February 9, 2012 2:42pm
kowtow

Some sabre rattling from the mad mullahs.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/
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February 9, 2012 3:15pm
Scott Chris

RightNow says:- “Fritz Vahrenholt, prominent German Social Democrat and former German Environment Minister”

1) He was never Germany’s environment minister. He was the SDP’s environment senator for Hamburg in the 1970s where he incurred the wrath of the environmental lobby by building a waste incineration plant.

2) He subsequently worked for Shell.

3) He has only given his book to one climatologist, Jochem Marotzke, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, to read prior to its publication. Marotzke’s assessment is clear:

➡ “Vahrenholt represents the standpoints of climate skeptics. “A number of the hypotheses in the book were refuted long ago.””
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February 9, 2012 3:19pm
grumpyoldhori

Lance, so what you are saying is that you have a problem with NZ natives having freedom of speech.
Yes Israeli firster is not polite, but for too many it is accurate.

So with your support for Israel do you have any problems that NZ citizens could have been put at risk if Mossadd had managed to steal a NZ passport to use to murder some Arab ?
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February 9, 2012 3:44pm
kowtow

Oh my God, the evil bastard worked for Shell…….that’s it then he must be a right bad ‘un. Any links to Nazism?
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February 9, 2012 3:48pm
Lance

@ grumpy
Oh FFS
Stop making shit up
Trolling much
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February 9, 2012 3:52pm
Griff

g o hori is a Maori firster ha ha ha
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February 9, 2012 4:03pm
fatnuts

Scott, so no rebutt of the actual argument, just character assasination. And he is doing is restating known data asking for debate.
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February 9, 2012 4:05pm
plebe

Whats new the CTV building in CHCH was built dueing the McLay /Bolger era , typicle national slackness of building standards, still continues
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February 9, 2012 5:29pm
plebe

If the grumpyoldhori was a Israeli or a Jew ,he would still have his country , those jews know when to fight not like the maori who only stuck their tongues out and had their wahines show there butts.
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February 9, 2012 5:32pm
Pete George

Interested in getting comments on this exchange:

“It’s common knowledge that male bonding with children begins and ends with sporting events.”

Wrong, it begins with a sound thrashing and ends with a clip around the ear.
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February 9, 2012 6:06pm
wat dabney

“…an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit.”

Teenager alert!
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February 9, 2012 6:20pm
reid

It’s amazing how some, even some astute people here, can’t see the truth about what’s happening re: Iran, geopolitically.

I mean all one needs to do is look at Iraq to see the parallels, which I can’t be arsed enumerating for they have been so well traversed that anyone who is interested in that region HAS to know about them. Unless that is, one only consumes “news” from western MSM and western think tanks.

But its so obvious and always has been.

Yet some won’t, can’t, don’t want to see it.

Amazing, as I say, but not surprising. No, I’ve stopped being surprised. After all, if one of the richest most powerful countries in the world can fool almost (almost) its entire citizenry of 300m people as the US has been doing for decades now over its real motivations in Central America then in the ME then in its own country where its own politics have become completely and utterly corrupted, well, what chance do citizens of this tiny land have of understanding anything at all.

Surprisingly effective is all the Tavistock propaganda but then, that’s what it does 24/7/365. But somewhat pathetic I have to say, to see even astute people taken in by it. But they know how to hide it all in plain sight, as well as how to make it appear that any deviation from the standard line is seen as absurd. To someone really astute, that’s a clue as well, but that’s far to advanced for some people above who haven’t even passed first base, re: scales dropping.
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February 9, 2012 6:22pm
fatnuts

Reid, is the conspriacy theory to which you vaugely refer, one where the US engineers ‘compliant’ regimes about the ME to secure corporate access to oil? In Syria’s case leveraging off the ‘Arab Spring’. It’s about Iran, and her allies right. Somehow there’s a grand plan to neutralise that threat (oil supply threat that is), and render Iran blunted. Which would be a best case outcome. Iran goes nuclear, and the game changes.

Please indulge me here..
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February 9, 2012 6:49pm
reid

No theory fatnuts and I can’t be arsed indulging anyone, let alone someone as ignorant as you.

If you care to open your mind you will see the reasons why the US/Israel/UK has been doing this. It’s all there. Why don’t you just fuck off and look it up yourself if you’re interested, or are you too stupid to know the keywords to type in?
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February 9, 2012 6:51pm
Griff

The Department Of Defense briefed the President this morning. They told President Obama that 2 Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq. He collapsed onto his desk, head in his hands, visibly shaken almost in tears. Finally, he composed himself and asked, “Just how many is a brazilian?”
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February 9, 2012 6:59pm
fatnuts

Real mature Reid. Well done.
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February 9, 2012 7:00pm
Griff

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-glenn-beck-conspiracy.htm?PS=361%2C890%2C864%2C480%3A3

Try here fatnuts
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February 9, 2012 7:13pm
bereal

Chief Winston Peters cheerleader and supporter Claire Trevett (political editor of the NZ Herald) will be
gutted with Winstons laughable performance in parliament today.

After her sycophantic suck up to him in the Herald today he has let her down badly.

Claires baleen whales have now gone a whole week and still no krill to eat.
The Muhammed Ali punch question was batted off like a drunk fly, this time by Brownlee.

Winston is looking quite sad and confused these days. A shadow of his former self.
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February 9, 2012 7:14pm
reid

fatnuts if you’d asked me nicely what information I had to support my contention I would have answered accordingly with all sorts of links that I’ve bookmarked over the years to all sorts of articles predicting all sorts of things with all sorts of evidence on Iran vs US/Israel/UK but I’ve discovered that with people like you, it’s a waste of fucking time, because you’re not interested in looking at any evidence except that which supports your current worldview and when someone suggests something which counters that you turn all sneery like you did and I just can’t be fucked taking that sort of shit from anyone anymore, ever. It’s a recent decision.

My 9,900 odd comments here over the last ten or so years have given me a track record that stands the test of time in terms of predictive value, whether or not one agrees with the points I make which traverse both domestic and international politics. I’ve been telling people for years the US/UK/Israel will be coming after Iran and I’ve explained why many times and what you should be looking for it you want to predict what will happen when it turns from a cold war into a hot one which it will, just in time to make Obama look like a wartime President, not that this is the central reason why they’re doing it so please don’t misunderstand and misinterpret the point I just made because that happens a lot too, when I make a passing aside and people in their profound ignorance misinterpret that so to spell it out for you, that wartime President comment refers to timing, not to motive.

See? Imagine discussing complex issues like Iran with people so appallingly ignorant I even have to spell out shit like that.

The only reason I made that 6:22 comment was to inform Grumpy he’s not alone and he’s on the right track, which helps when you’re out on a debating limb, which I am, most of the time. And the reason I am, is because maybe, just maybe, there’s one single person out there in whom is stirring a disquiet about the Iran thing and they just wonder, just wonder, if maybe there might be something to it. But mostly it’s people like you, which frankly is exactly like debating the economy or AGW with lefties: in that they, are you, are so profoundly wrong and arrogant that you can’t see past your nose on the topic, notwithstanding the truth about it is so fucking obvious as to be writ large in flaming letters a million foot high, be it about how the economy works, how AGW isn’t real or how Iran is a setup.

So like I said, look it up yourself, for I’m not interested in casting pearls before swine, these days.
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February 9, 2012 7:19pm
fatnuts

Griff. That’s more like it. Isn’t the point of having a nutball conspiracy theory that you tell everyone about it??
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February 9, 2012 7:19pm
Steve

Mr Dotcom.

Let’s say a dodgy guy goes to Hirepool and hires a crowbar. False name, false ID, stolen Credit Card.

He then smashes a Jewelery Shop window and takes the goods. He smashes a Computer Shop window and takes the goods. He smashes a Music Store window and takes the goods.

Does Hirepool get taken to Court for providing the tool? No.

Mr Dotcom is a test case. Why did the FBI do this in NZ? Cheaper, that’s why
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February 9, 2012 7:28pm
fatnuts

Reid. I did say please. Take a chill pill already. I was genuinely interested in your opinion.
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February 9, 2012 7:32pm
nasska

The attractive young woman was about to go to bed with her blind date
when she burst into tears. “I’m afraid you’ll get the wrong idea about
me,” she said between sobs. “I’m really not that kind of girl!”

“I believe ya,” her date said, as he tried to comfort her.

“You’re the first one,” she gulped.

“The first one to make love to you?” he asked.

“No!” she replied. “The first one to believe me.”
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February 9, 2012 8:01pm
Griff

An environmentalist dies and reports to the pearly gates. St. Peter checks his dossier and says, “Ah, you’re an environmentalist–you’re in the wrong place.” Thinking that heaven could never make an error, the environmentalist reports to the gates of hell and is let in. Pretty soon, the environmentalist gets dissatisfied with the environment in hell and starts implementing eco-friendly improvements. After a while, global warming, air and water
pollution are under control. The landscape is covered with grass and plants, the food is organic, and the people are happy. The environmentalist has become a pretty popular guy. One day, God calls Satan up on the telephone and says with a sneer, “So, how’s it going down there in hell?” Satan replies, “Hey, things are going great. We’ve got clean air and water, the temperature is better and the food tastes better, and there’s no telling what this environmentalist is going to fix next.” God replies, “What??? You’ve got an environmentalist? That’s a mistake–he should never have gotten down there; send him up here.” Satan says, “No way. I like having an environmentalist on the staff, and I’m keeping him.” God says, “Send him back up here or I’ll sue.” Satan laughs uproariously and answers, “Yeah, right. And just where are you going to get a lawyer?”

. Q. How many environmentalists does it take to change a light bulb? A. Ten. One to write the light bulb a letter requesting that it change. Four to circulate online petitions. One to file a lawsuit demanding it change. One to send the light bulb loving kindness, knowing that this is the only way real change occurs. One to accept the light bulb precisely the way it is, clear in the knowledge that to not accept another is to do great harm to oneself. One to write a book about how and why the light bulb needs to change. And finally, one to smash the #$^#&ing light bulb, because we all know it’s never going to change.”

How many climate sceptics does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None. It’s too early to say if the light bulb needs changing.
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February 9, 2012 8:17pm
Other_Andy

Just read “The Economic Sabotage Of The West”

http://www.eurasiareview.com/09022012-the-economic-sabotage-of-the-west-oped/

Luc to a T.
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February 9, 2012 8:23pm
nasska

Griff

Even as a skeptic I’ve got to give you an “A+” for the last one.

That said,us Northern Wairarapa types really couldn’t care less even if Global warming/climate change/weather occurs. It will give us a fine opportunity to sit on our mountains shouting, “Oi Jaffa, fancy a Pineapple?” as we watch Auckland drown.
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February 9, 2012 8:28pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Steve 7.28

Maybe not so much a test case, but an opportunity to cut corners and rack up some ‘credibility’ in a foriegn court. Like the young Englishman due for deportation to the states, having Dotcom arrive in chains and penniless is a preferred picture and it fits with the drama of his capture from the sky. I don’t know for sure, but it also may have expediated the closing down of megaupload. To my knowledge it’s unprecendented for a whole business to be closed down without warning, and where the ‘good and the alleged bad’ of that business is stopped from trading without due process.
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February 9, 2012 8:32pm
Griff

Seven wise men with knowledge so fine,
created a pussy to their design.
First was a butcher,
with smart wit,
using a knife,
he gave it a slit,
Second was a carpenter,
strong and bold,
with a hammer and chisel,
he gave it a hole,
Third was a tailor,
tall and thin,
by using red velvet,
he lined it within,
Fourth was a hunter,
short and stout,
with a piece of fox fur,
he lined it without,
Fifth was a fisherman,
nasty as hell,
threw in a fish and gave it a smell,
Sixth was a preacher,
whose name was McGee,
he touched it and blessed it,
and said it could pee,
Last was a sailor,
dirty little runt,
he sucked it and fucked it,
and called it a c*&t.

This jafa will not drown he will just sail away
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February 9, 2012 8:40pm
Steve

Auckland ain’t drowning nasska, we are just getting rid of the rifraf that fuck up Auckland (MUNZ)

Auckland would be a more beutifull place if it did not have to subsidise the rest of NZ. btw Mayor for sale, anyone want a dropkick?
Come up one day, you may like it. This cookie lives on the tropical side of the bridge.

🙂
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February 9, 2012 8:42pm
nasska

Steve

I spent four weeks in Auckland in 1987 & I came to the realisation that should I never set foot in the place for the rest of my life I would still die a happy man. That said I appreciate that North Shore has quite a bit to recommend it.

Love North Auckland for the climate & fishing but the natives are getting a bit restless lately.
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February 9, 2012 8:48pm
Steve

Nostalgia-NZ
“having Dotcom arrive in chains and penniless is a preferred picture and it fits with the drama of his capture from the sky”

The Media will lap it up. Makes Obama look good, I mean the Bin Laden thing is old hat now.

“US President stops Internet Piracy” sounds good.

Timing 🙂
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February 9, 2012 8:57pm
bhudson

Steve,

Does Hirepool get taken to Court for providing the tool? No.

No. [According to the allegations…] Firstly the authorities say “Mr Hirepool, people are hiring crowbars from you for the purpose of committing crime. Take measures to ensure you are hiring to people with legitimate purposes.”

“Sure” says Hirepool, and pretends to store the crowbars away, but actually, on the sly, lets anyone who wants them have them – no questions asked.

The authorities take action….

More than a bit of an odd analogy, but it is the case [as far legal requirements go] with spray paint cans today, as it is with medical products with pseudoephedrine, as it is with ciggies and booze (age constraints in their case.)

The allegations as have been released point to Dotcom’s business being instructed to remove copyrighted material, but merely removing some (the spotted and reported links) while leaving the material available through links that had not yet been found and reported by those objecting.

In other words [from the perspective of those making the allegations] – they hadn’t actually removed the illicit material.
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February 9, 2012 8:58pm
TimG_Oz

Other_Andy .. this link is not bad either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhtJxC6NwFw
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February 9, 2012 9:02pm
Steve

@ bhudson 8.58

““Sure” says Hirepool, and pretends to store the crowbars away, but actually, on the sly, lets anyone who wants them have them – no questions asked.”
You may do that, I would not.

“In other words [from the perspective of those making the allegations] – they hadn’t actually removed the illicit material”
Tell me one thing bhudson, how come the big noises pick on Dotcom and not all of the pedo hosters? Mr Dotcom makes big news but a pedo poster in jail is fuck all.
It is all media bullshit hudson
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February 9, 2012 9:19pm
bhudson

Steve,

It would appear from recent media reports (including one today on Stuff) that the authorities here and abroad (including the US) certainly are going after the those hosting and sharing child pornography.

Irrespective or whether or not they are getting them all, it doesn’t lessen the crimes of Dotcom [assuming, of course, that he is tried and found guilty]

Only due process in the US will determine whether it was “all media bullshit” or not.
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February 9, 2012 9:26pm
Steve

“Irrespective or whether or not they are getting them all, it doesn’t lessen the crimes of Dotcom [assuming, of course, that he is tried and found guilty]”

What crimes? did you mean allegations?
Give it up, explaining is losing
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February 9, 2012 9:43pm
bhudson

Steve,

You will notice the parentheses – the note that the crimes have yet to be proven.

However, for your benefit, I hereby change it to: “Irrespective of the whether or not they are getting them all [the “pedo hosters” in your previous comment], it doesn’t lessen the allegations against Dotcom.”
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February 9, 2012 9:48pm
Nostalgia-NZ

bhudson

What are you saying about dotcom’s activitiies and pornograpy, what charges are you talking about?
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February 9, 2012 9:48pm
bhudson

Nostalgia-NZ,

I made no connection to Dotcom and child pornography. Steve noted that the “big noises” should be going for all of the “pedo hosters” instead of Dotcom.

I noted that they do appear to be going for the “pedo hosters” and that whether or not they are getting all of them does not impact the crimes of Dotcom (assuming he is found guilty – which I subsequently amended to allegations after Steve’s later comment.)

To my knowledge, no one has accused Dotcom of being a “pedo hoster”
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February 9, 2012 9:54pm
bereal

nasska @ 8.28 and 8.48
Sorry but,
Now you have given an example right there of the decay of New Zealand nationalism that i was on about
after watching the US Superbowl and being struck how Americans love America. And Kiwis used to but don’t
anymore.

You seem to say that you would take pleasure if you could see our largest city drown.

You turn out to be a disgrace after all.

You hate New Zealand ? (Auckland)
Why don’t you just fuck off then ?
You wont be missed.
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February 9, 2012 11:10pm
publicwatchdog

How come ‘consultation’ on the ‘Mixed Ownership Model’ has been ‘extended’ only to (some?) Maori?

Opposed to State Asset sales?

Let Treasury know what YOU think!

“Submissions may be sent by email to mixed-ownership-consultation@treasury.govt.nz or by post to:
FreePost Authority No.126395″

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/mixed-ownership

Extending the Mixed Ownership Model Consultation with Māori

Page updated 3 Feb 2012

The Government has announced that it will consult with Māori on legislative changes it considers are necessary to proceed with its policy of mixed ownership for four State Owned Enterprises (SOEs): Genesis Power, Meridian Energy, Mighty River Power and Solid Energy New Zealand.

The Government is seeking written submissions on its proposal to remove the four SOEs from the State-Owned Enterprises Act and put them under new legislation that ensures the Government retains at least 51 per cent and other individual shareholdings are limited to 10 per cent.
About This Consultation Process

A consultation document, together with information on how to make written submissions, is available on this web page.

The deadline for receipt of submissions is 5pm on 22 February 2012.

The Government is holding a series of consultation hui as a further means of presenting its proposals and receiving feedback from interested parties. Note that the start time for the hui in Auckland has changed from the originally advertised time of 3.30pm to the new time of 5.00pm.
Consultation Hui Date Time Venue Location
8 February 10.00am – 1.00pm Distinction Rotorua Rotorua
8 February 3.00pm – 6.00pm Waikato Stadium Hamilton
9 February 3.00pm – 6.00pm Whanganui Racecourse Whanganui
10 February 9.30am – 12.30pm Toll Stadium Whangarei
10 February 5.00pm – 8.00pm Novotel Auckland Airport Auckland
14 February 10.00am – 1.00pm Waihopai Runaka
Murihiku Marae Invercargill
14 February 4.00pm – 7.00pm Chateau on the Park Christchurch
15 February 10.00am – 1.00pm Emerald Hotel Gisborne
15 February 3.30pm – 6.30pm Te Puni Kokiri Wellington
Documents
Documents are available in Adobe PDF or Microsoft Word format only. Please contact information@treasury.govt.nz to request HTML versions. Using PDF Files
Date Title Download
1 Feb 2012 Extension of the Mixed Ownership Model: A proposal to change legislation in relation to: Genesis Power, Meridian Energy, Mighty River Power, Solid Energy New Zealand: Consultation with Māori
Consultation document, includes information on the submission process. Updated 3 February 2012 with new start and end times for the Auckland consultation hui. mom-cons-maori-v2.pdf (292 KB)
1 Feb 2012 Mixed Ownership Consultation Submission Template
Downloadable form in MS Word 2003 format. mom-subm-form.doc (70 KB)
27 Jan 2012 Media statement by Hon Bill English, Minister of Finance and Hon Tony Ryall, Minister for State Owned Enterprises: Iwi consultation for partial SOE share floats On the Beehive website.
Submissions

The deadline for receipt of submissions is 5pm on 22 February 2012.

Submissions may be sent by email to mixed-ownership-consultation@treasury.govt.nz or by post to:
FreePost Authority No.126395
Mixed Ownership Consultation: Consultation with Māori
Commercial Transactions Group
The Treasury
PO Box 3724
Wellington 6140 ”

Penny Bright
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February 9, 2012 11:14pm
wreck1080

LA county has banned throwing frisbees and balls on their beaches.

Also banned, is digging holes in the sand more than 30cm deep.

Those breaking these rules may be fined $1000usd.

CRAZY WORLD!
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February 10, 2012 1:18am
The Scorned

“State Assets” are assets to those who comprise the state…not to those forced to fund them.
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February 10, 2012 2:58am
big bruv

Penny

We had an election, the people gave the Nat’s a mandate to sell state assets.

What part of democracy do you not like?
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February 10, 2012 6:59am
Nostalgia-NZ

bhudson 9.54

Yes, I’m sure that’s right. In fact I believe he’s been active against them.
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February 10, 2012 7:17am
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10784546
Dotcom home stripped of geek chic
But it has emerged police officers also removed items of value that were not on the initial court order, including Mrs Dotcom’s jewellery.
Why he is not charged with any crime in this country
he has not been found guilty of any crime any where

This stinks

His property will be damaged in moving why could it not be left where it was
This did not happen in the bridgecorp case did it?
Fuck of USA FBI and the stupid corporations
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February 10, 2012 7:25am
toad

@big bruv 6:59 am

Actually not, bruv.

Lab 27.48% + Green 11.06% + NZF 6.59% + Maori 1.43% + Mana 1.08% + Conservative 2.65% = 50.29%

So the majority of voters voted for parties that oppose asset sales. The only reason the Nats have a Parliamentary majority for assets sales are the quirks of the electoral system that left the Conservatives unrepresented and effectively gave the Nats 2 MPs for the votes for one in Ohariu and Epsom.
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February 10, 2012 8:08am
Elaycee

big bruv asks: “What part of democracy do you not like?”

Probably the part that revealed that her level of ‘support’ from various electorates hovers around the margin of error.

A trend that she has made her own.
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February 10, 2012 8:08am
Elaycee

toad refers to: “quirks of the electoral system…”

Pot. Kettle. Black.

These same ‘quirks’ gave the Gweens MP status in Parliament despite the fact that no-one voted for a single Gween MP because the candidates stood as some collective on a ‘list’. You can’t have it both ways.

But at least you recognise that National *does* have a mandate – courtesy of the general election last November. That’s why they sit to the right of the speaker in Parliament / that’s why they can pass legislation / that’s why the partial asset sale programme will proceed.
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