General Debate 8 February 2012

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Murray

Let todays MENSA meeting begin.
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February 8, 2012 8:10am
Scott Chris

Conservative lobby group Family First claim day care is bad for kids according to “expert” Dr Aric Sigmund.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/6380025/Critics-dispute-Family-First-findings-on-day-care

Dr Sigman is also behind a 2009 claim that Facebook and other social networking sites cause cancer.
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February 8, 2012 8:20am
mister nui

Where does the media get off on their definition of thievery?

These people didn’t lose a thing, some thieving mongrel cunt stole their stuff. Do they think they slowly desensitise us to this scum behaviour by saying the victims lost their stuff?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10784066
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February 8, 2012 8:34am
lilman

Niece with 2 under 3 , 2 different fathers, one child under 6 months puts kids into day care for the free government funded childcare.She dosent work,but needs time out from hectic parenting.Sits on arse watching tv all day ,if not sleeping from night out socialising with girlfriends.
At childs party grandmother said there was 8 guests all with children ,only one in relationship,none were working.
P.S. She only has the children every second week,and ex left job so he could have child now and be a better dad , also now not working but on bennefit.
This is just small example of the bullshit that any tax paying worker has to subsidise.
White trash!!!!!!
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February 8, 2012 8:40am
Griff

Murray
Sod of and play war games
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February 8, 2012 8:43am
Murray

Griff get fucked but thanks for making my point. Excellent contribution you newbie tosser.
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February 8, 2012 8:51am
Griff

Must remember feeding trolls always makes them bigger trolls
bang bang
You wear the uniforms and all that?
Are you a nazi or a septic tank?

You are of course aware that Russia won the war
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February 8, 2012 8:57am
Longknives

Murray you have been less than cordial of late- Any issues at home you want to talk about?
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February 8, 2012 9:10am
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/armed-forces/news/article.cfm?c_id=123&objectid=10782480
Defence planners want the United States to operate more nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers out of Australian navy bases as power shifts to the Asia-Pacific region

that will get the greens upset
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February 8, 2012 9:11am
Monique Watson

Check the link in this – 40% of millionaires in China are women. Women training women to be bodyguards:

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/02/stop-bothering-me-old-woman.html
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February 8, 2012 9:16am
Murray

When the fuck have I ever been “cordial”?

And nothing for the consumption of this knuckle dragging rabble thanks.
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February 8, 2012 9:16am
Murray

Griff did you sprikle extra stupid on your cornflakes this morning?
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February 8, 2012 9:19am
Griff

No why are you looking for some one to talk to at your level of intelligence?

Please do share you problems the less obvious ones
I am sure it will give us all something to laugh at
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February 8, 2012 9:26am
nasska

Water Woman is due in court at 10am to bring the learned Judge up to speed on the Law as it applies to Occupy protesters. Somehow I’m unsure that she will be her normal cheery self as for some strange reason she was forgoing sleep at 2.48 this morning in order to keep her loyal Kiwiblog fanbase informed on proceedings.

It would be really appreciated if our Auckland commentators could keep us posted on todays events as her mind further unravels.
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February 8, 2012 9:38am
dime

morning snapperheads!

Dimes hungover in Vegas.. sitting in my suite reading emails etc. came across this:

From Debka.com

Some 20,000 marines, seamen and air crews from half a dozen countries, a US nuclear aircraft carrier strike group and three US Marine gunship carriers are practicing an attack on a fictitious mechanized enemy division which has invaded its neighbor. It is the largest amphibian exercise seen in the West for a decade, staged to simulate a potential Iranian invasion of an allied Persian Gulf country and a marine landing on the Iranian coast. Based largely on US personnel and hardware, French, British, Italian, Dutch, Australian and New Zealand military elements are integrated in the drill.

http://debka.com/article/21716/

good to know we are playing nice with the yanks. it will make creepy nudist luc happy.
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February 8, 2012 9:49am
dime

one comment on the US – the amount of people that work here that cannot speak english is amazing.

the albanian that cleaned my room yesterday – been here 20 years and could hardly speak a word.

the hot bitch russian in a short skirt last night bringing me free jack daniels spoke about as much english as my cat.
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February 8, 2012 9:50am
Keeping Stock

So; Our Pen is off to Court this morning, having publicly accused a Judge of “treating the law with contempt”. She says that she is “prepared to go to jail in order to defend these fundamental human rights.” When people like Penny Bright choose to deliberately flout the law, htey lose some of their “fundamental human rights”, such as the right to liberty. Our Pen should be careful what she wishes for…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/be-careful-what-you-wish-for.html
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February 8, 2012 9:59am
flipper

Griff….
In case you didn’t know, at the height of the underwater cold “war” between the US/Brit and Sov navies, their nuclear submarines played a merry game of chase, and engaged in “ream-nosing” right through Cook Strait.
That was a favourite spot because of extraordinary seabed and water temperature features. Just a step up the ladder from the Japanese WW2 activity. So, nothing will change, will it?
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February 8, 2012 10:06am
Elaycee

dime says: “the hot bitch russian in a short skirt last night bringing me free jack daniels spoke about as much english as my cat.”

Can’t be all bad – most likely they both respond to ‘Here, Puss Puss Puss…..’ 😀
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February 8, 2012 10:16am
Griff

Thanks flipper i am not surprised
We might be 1000nm from any where bit we are not alone
Interesting militarily buildups happening around the world
I Would not be surprised if the doomsday clock gains another 60seconds in the year ahead
to Three to midnight
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February 8, 2012 10:18am
flipper

Griff….
It may well be, but the clock and its drivers are somewhat dated. It will all depend on what happens betweern Israel and Iran. If Washington does not mollify Tel Aviv, look for a repeat of what Israel did to Iraq. But there will clearly be twists and turns before that story is finally told, and bombs will be just one part of Israel’s umbrella..
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February 8, 2012 10:26am
Longknives

Dime- Where are you staying in Vegas? Get into the buffets? (I mean food..)
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February 8, 2012 10:28am
Don the Kiwi

Longknives.

Be careful what you tell dime to get into. I reckon that russian with the short skirt had it further shortened, knowing dime’s propensity for a quick shag.
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February 8, 2012 10:41am
Rat

Interesting

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/6379661/More-investors-claim-tax-losses

Share owners should be careful before trying to go down this path
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February 8, 2012 10:58am
RightNow

“No-one could be reached last night to explain how Pratt had consumed 24 beers.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/news/6379969/Rogue-Sevens-tackler-drank-24-beers

It needs explaining?
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February 8, 2012 11:02am
kowtow

Pratt by name and Pratt by nature.

I reckon “friends” who let you get nicked aren’t worthy of being described as such.
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February 8, 2012 11:52am
Pete George

An interesting politics/blog development – David Cunliffe posts on The Standard and promises more.

Mr Joyce’s op-Ed is interesting because:
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No wonder three quarters of CEOs and senior managers surveyed buy Business New Zealand before the election thought the Government has no plan. Instead it has a “120 point” laundry list that it now sounds like even the Minister of Economic Development does not believe in.

There is a fundamental clash of ideas coming up in the economic development space. I am looking forward to discussing it with readers of The Standard as the year progresses.

No wonder they want to ban ‘readers’ that might question the message.

The Standard/union faction of Labour was strongly behind Cunliffe’s leadership bid and were dismayed it failed.

Seriously – it’s too soon to tell if this is a genuine attempt to connect with wider opinions as a loyal supporter of his party’s leadership or not.

But continuing the ‘National has no plan’ that didn’t work so well in the election campaign that didn’t seem to have a coherent plan is interesting.
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February 8, 2012 12:09pm
RightNow

Spotted at Red Alert:

http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/02/06/feeding-our-kids/comment-page-3/#comment-247448

Colonial Viper says:
February 8, 2012 at 11:59 am
We can’t all have all the money we want and all the time we want to do whatever we want. In fact probably no one comes close.

You obviously haven’t heard of the ‘passive income’ movement.

How much more passive can your income get than being on benefits? We’ve all heard of benefits.
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February 8, 2012 12:11pm
Elaycee

Squatter Update from Auckland Court:

“Auckland Council wants the Court to impose deterrent fines against the protesters.

Two of those the council is seeking to fine – Penny Bright and Malcolm France – addressed the court this morning. Bright said she could not and would not pay any fine imposed on her, and was prepared to go to prison to protect the principle of freedom of speech. She said the Occupy group was evicted from the square because of political discrimination.

Judge David Wilson reminded Bright he had already rejected that argument….. ”

Heh…. 😀

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6383194/Council-seeks-hefty-penalties-for-protesters
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February 8, 2012 12:21pm
adze

RN, the judge is clearly wrong in this case, Penny conducted a straw poll at her residence and 9 out of 12 cats supported her primary objection. 🙂
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February 8, 2012 12:31pm
Weihana

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/6381569/US-court-cans-gay-marriage-ban

A US federal appeals court has declared California’s same-sex marriage ban to be unconstitutional…

“Proposition 8 serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California, and to officially reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples,” states the opinion written by Judge Stephen Reinhardt, one of the court’s most liberal judges.

Hopefully the SCOTUS will agree with the ruling if it is appealed. The court’s makeup has changed somewhat since Lawrence v Texas. Notably Elena Kagan has said during her confirmation that there is no constitutional right to same-sex marriage.
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February 8, 2012 12:58pm
kowtow

Hopefully the SCOTUS won’t agree with the ruling if it is appealed.
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February 8, 2012 1:09pm
Fletch

Link to new Spiderman movie trailer.

Doesn’t look half bad 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/v/-tnxzJ0SSOw?hd=1&autoplay=1
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February 8, 2012 1:23pm
Griff

Computer update costs ‘seem inflated’
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/6381401/Computer-update-costs-seem-inflated
An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications
proberbly a white one in this case

Inland Revenue advised Revenue Minister Peter Dunne in a briefing paper made public last week that it would need to spend between $1 billion and $1.5b to replace the 20-year-old mainframe-based computer system.
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February 8, 2012 1:25pm
fatnuts

Mega software project in IRD… Sounds like a money fire, complete with dancing girls.
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February 8, 2012 1:28pm
Elaycee

Squatter Update:

“The hearing today was adjourned after it emerged some of the protesters had not been personally served with notices calling them to court to explain why they should not be arrested or fined, having allegedly breached December’s injunction. Council lawyer Ross Burns told Judge David Wilson some of the protesters had been served personally, but the council wished to deal with all of them together. He asked for an adjournment of three months, so the council could attempt to hand over notices personally to the protesters, whom he described as “transient”.”

Won’t be hard to find them – just set up shop outside the local WINZ office. Sooner or later they’ll turn up…. 😀

And the headline (below) is total bollocks – the Auckland Council has already stated that they want these morons fined (as a deterrent to others).

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6383096/Delay-in-councils-bid-to-have-protesters-jailed
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February 8, 2012 1:52pm
Weihana

kowtow,

With regards the court’s opinion, which I have quoted in part, what other purpose does Proposition 8 serve? Or do you hold that even if the part of the opinion I quoted is right that the proposition is nevertheless constitutional?
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February 8, 2012 1:54pm
Griff

Counting down to penny tarnish posting a win for democracy
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February 8, 2012 1:57pm
Put it away

The work of a 20 year old mainframe can probably be done by the average mobile phone today.
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February 8, 2012 2:00pm
RightNow

Put it away – yeah, why don’t they just run our tax system on a PC running MYOB?

But what I really wanted to post was this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZPecNP-W0tA/TzGXsORN8pI/AAAAAAAAVO0/q7aTEnKBbk4/s1600/power.jpg
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February 8, 2012 2:42pm
RightNow

Lucky for Great Britain they’re not relying on renewable energy to stop them all from dying from cold.
Coal, gas and nuclear currently providing over 97% of their energy to the national grid.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Cixj9qliET8/Ty–dfrTClI/AAAAAAAAVM0/rY_vFS7Zf4I/s1600/wind2.jpg
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February 8, 2012 2:55pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Elaycee 1.42

Despite your glee, it looks like the council are up a creek without a panel from reading the report you posted.
Hardly a victory of any sort.
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February 8, 2012 3:02pm
TimG_Oz

Oh joy [/sarc]

3 more months of some dipshit claiming Rule of Law, Using dollar signs as “S”. blah blah.
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February 8, 2012 3:15pm
adze

Just heard on nat radio that the US has lifted the trade embargo on Cuba. Great news, and long overdue.
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February 8, 2012 3:45pm
adze

Ok scratch that, apparently it’s just an anniversary although they’ve acknowledged it’s made no difference at all.
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February 8, 2012 3:48pm
fatnuts

Is there Wifi in jail?
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February 8, 2012 3:51pm
bereal

Hey Murray @ 8.10

That was a funny quip.

All we need now is a ‘contribution’ from Pauleastbay to prove the point.
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February 8, 2012 3:54pm
Elaycee

Nostalgia says: “Despite your glee, it looks like the council are up a creek without a panel from reading the report you posted. Hardly a victory of any sort.”

Best read the article again. The Council wants ALL protesters / squatters dealt with at once. The Court agrees. That’s why the Council has been given time to serve everyone individually. As they are mostly ‘transient’ (no fixed abode etc) it is acknowledged by the Court that individual serving may take some time. So the Court agreed with the Council and granted a three month adjournment. All squatters will appear at the same time. In the meantime, they risk contempt if they return.

Not sure how you can see that any different to what it is – Council is (finally) going about this in the correct manner.
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February 8, 2012 5:09pm
Put it away

adze – how can you say “it made no difference at all” if you also think it would be “great news, and long overdue” if it was repealed? If it’s making no difference at all, the news of it being repealed would be a non-event.
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February 8, 2012 5:50pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Elaycee 5.09

The problem is in Ron Mansfield’s point….

‘He argued that the council application was invalid because the individuals named as parties to the proceedings might not have been actually present at the Occupy camp at the time the initial injunction was made, and therefore were not subject to the terms of it.’

The only thing Judge Wilson appears to have agreed to is a three month adjournment to allow what seems on the face of it as impossible task, as implied by the council itself who described the protesters as transients. I think the Council were simply looking to buy time, realising the difficulties the face in overcoming the problem argued by Mansfield, and hoping that in 3 months it might have gone away. If they were confident they would have proceeded against those summoned and appearing on the day, and sought a delay for only those not yet served. Ditherers.
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February 8, 2012 6:03pm
bereal

Now i know that it is a bit early for sicko jokes but…..
i apolologise to anyone this offends.

A new game show is on TV.

The compere explains,
‘The object of the game is for the panel to guess what the mystery object is.’

‘Before we start we will cross to the soundproof studio to let the listeners at home and
the studio audience know what the mystery object is, the panel won’t be able to hear this.’

The voice in the soundproof studio says, ‘The mystery object is, a niggers cock. A niggers cock.’
Back to the panel.

The compere says, ‘OK, would you like to begin the questioning Mrs Witherspoon ?’

Mrs Witherspoon goes, “Thank you. Could I eat the mystery object?”

The compere goes, Err, cough, well, ummm, I guess you could.

Mrs Witherspoon goes, ” Oh, it must be a niggers cock.”
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February 8, 2012 6:16pm
Put it away

Watching parliament TV, was somewhat surprised that the first item was Gerry Brownlee asking that dinner break be delayed. Does this happen often? 🙂
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February 8, 2012 6:24pm
Viking2

Dotcom in perspective.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/401546_10150529307167947_511977946_9301389_1814557794_n.jpg
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February 8, 2012 7:30pm
Viking2

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403724_382903175060337_142368945780429_1732207_523804663_n.jpg
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February 8, 2012 7:32pm
adze

PIA – made no difference in terms of its original objective – that is, regime change in Cuba – but also the embargo itself has been partly circumvented. Trade still occurs between the mainland and Cuba, it’s just not sanctioned.
But the US should just lift the embargo, I doubt many alive today even know why it was imposed in the first place, and it achieves little except as a leaky barrier to free trade.
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February 8, 2012 7:39pm
Inky_the_Red

Hard to belive but I agree with a statement made by Brownlee on the CCC leadership

‘Earthquake Recovery Minister Gerry Brownlee has entered the political fray consuming the city council, calling Mayor Bob Parker a ”clown”. ‘

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6385305/Brownlee-enters-city-council-fray
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February 8, 2012 7:54pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Viking

On the point of dotcom, consider unreasonable search and seizure. He is alleged to have ‘stolen’ something like 250 million, a similar amount of cash and assests have been taken from him. But the value of megaupload is not considered although it has been closed down without a conviction entered against dotcom. Take an estimate of it’s value prior to Dec 2011.
Dotcom can post a surety against the loss apparently recorded against him by Disney Comics and Mickey Mouse far greater than the allegations against him finacially acrue. I think he’s been subject to unreasonable search and seizure under our Bill of Rights. Additionally, noting that his counsel in the States must be entitled to test the punishment reasoned against Dotcom for crimes unproven against him – even before there is any consideration within NZ as to whether he should be deported or not. Due process.
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February 8, 2012 7:58pm
nasska

A blonde heard that baths in milk would make her beautiful. She left a note for her milkman to leave 25 gallons of milk.

When the milkman read the note, he felt there must be a mistake. He thought she probably meant 2.5 gallons. So he knocked on the door to clarify the point.

The blonde came to the door and the milkman said, “I found your note asking me to leave 25 gallons of milk. Did you mean 2.5 gallons?”

The blonde said, “No, I want 25 gallons. I’m going to fill my bathtub up with milk and take a milk bath so I can look young and beautiful again.”

The milkman asked, “Do you want it pasteurized?”

The blonde said, “No, just up to my tits. I can splash it on my eyes.”
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February 8, 2012 7:59pm
bereal

Now i know that a cop hater is one thing,
and a cop hater may have his reasons, but why ?
Even if you are a cop hater,
Why does that have to make you a Dotcom suckarse ?

Viking2 can tell us.

Why are you a Dotcom suckarse Viking2 ?
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February 8, 2012 8:00pm
Griff

Two friends, a blonde and a redhead, are walking down the street and pass a flower shop where the redhead happens to see her boyfriend buying flowers.

She sighs and says, “Oh, crap, my boyfriend is buying me flowers again.”

The blonde looks quizzically at her and says, “What’s the big deal, don’t you like getting flowers?”

The red head says, “Oh sure, but he always has expectations after giving me flowers, and I just don’t feel like spending the next three days on my back with my legs in the air.”

The blonde says, “Don’t you have a vase?”
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February 8, 2012 8:07pm
Nostalgia-NZ

bereal 8.00

Why the need for comments like that,
to embarass yourself?
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February 8, 2012 8:09pm
Griff

A big shot business man had to spend a couple of days in the hospital. He was a royal pain to the nurses because he bossed them around just like he did his employees. None of the hospital staff wanted to have anything to do with him.

The redheaded nurse was the only one who could stand up to him. She came into his room and announced, “I have to take your temperature.

“After complaining for several minutes, he finally settled down, crossed his arms and opened his mouth.

“No, I’m sorry, the nurse stated, “but for this reading, I can’t use an oral thermometer.

“This started another round of complaining, but eventually he rolled over and bared his behind. After feeling the nurse insert the thermometer, he heard her announce, “I have to get something. Now you stay JUST LIKE THAT until I get back!” She leaves the door to his room open on her way out. He curses under his breath as he hears people walking past his door, laughing.

After almost an hour, the man’s doctor comes into the room. “What’s going on here?” asked the doctor.

Angrily, the man answers, “What’s the matter, Doc? Haven’t you ever seen someone having their temperature taken?”

After a pause, the doctor confesses, “Not with a carnation.
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February 8, 2012 8:10pm
bereal

Can i guess.
Is it sort of like how little skinny blokes like to have 300 lbs sheilas sit on their face ?

If thats not it, what is it Viking2 ?
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February 8, 2012 8:10pm
bereal

Hey Nostalgia -nz @ 8.09

You are directing your question to the wrong source.

Hey. Do you like 300 lbs chicks sitting on your face ?

Doesn’t do it for me but, each to his own. You into that nostalgia-nz ?
fine with me
And good luck to your family.
Extra benefit when they fart right ?
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February 8, 2012 8:19pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Very funny bereal.
Good luck to you as well.
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February 8, 2012 8:26pm
nasska

Apparently it has recently become normal to see Arabian women walk ten steps in front of their husbands. When pressed over this issue one Muslim revealed that it was because of the risk of land mines.

Further investigation has disclosed that a Jewish woman will walk five paces behind their husband, in case he drops any money.
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February 8, 2012 8:27pm
Griff

A whole 24 hours and no pointless debate on agw
good work

why are blonds so dumb

peroxide kills brain cells
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February 8, 2012 9:55pm
nasska

More for ‘kowtow’:

Q. What does an Irish girl do after she’s sucked cock?

A. Spits out the feathers.

Q. How do you spot a Irish man in a car wash?

A. He is the one on a motorbike.

After 100 yrs at the bottom of the Atlantic, Irish divers were amazed to find the swimming pool of the Titanic was still full.
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February 8, 2012 10:04pm
Griff

eu bloody stupid subsidies
n 2010, about 70% of the total required controls on farm payments in the EU were done by satellites, which photographed more than 210,000 sq km (81,000 sq miles) of land in all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16545333
shudder to think of just the compliance costs of their subsides
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February 8, 2012 10:11pm
ste3e

Do people understand that big money is made by people with big money. They, and they alone can pony up the kitty to punt in options markets where the trillions are made. Basically, to buy an option is to say I will purchase some billions worth of some currency today at today’s rate but will not pay for it until some future date. And when that future date arrives, if the currency is worth more than it was worth when I took out the option I will honor the deal, pay for the currency and then sell it off at the new higher rate earning billions; if, on the other hand, the currency is worth less now than when the option was taken, I will not honor the deal and buy the currency but forego the money paid to take out the option. Fold the poker hand and lose the kitty! No entity in New Zealand has the sort of money necessary to risk on the kitty so this game is not open to us. Yet we think it reasonable to open our assets up for sale via international competition. Country’s who can make this ‘money for nothing’ can afford to think to themselves “another billion for this land/asset means nothing to me but pushes the price out of the reach of any New Zealander. Yet, obviously, the inflation rate upon the value of such “earned” monies must be staggering… what was once worth $100 000? What was the value of land 10 years ago… plus the average 3% inflation? So what value is actually being harnessed by the sale? A couple of billion replaced multiple times in the course of a punt on options. No wonder the 99% are outraged!
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February 8, 2012 10:27pm
fatnuts

For Griff; climate change on Mars:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet’s recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist’s controversial theory.

…

In 2005 data from NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide “ice caps” near Mars’s south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.
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February 8, 2012 10:44pm
Griff

fatnuts you just spoiled an otherwise perfect day
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February 8, 2012 10:54pm
fatnuts

And with that, good night..
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February 8, 2012 10:58pm
Griff

is this you luc
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/queenstown-lakes/197017/cheeky-naked-tramper-spotted-again

V2 still waiting for msm on your previous post maybe in the morning
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February 8, 2012 11:06pm
Scott Chris

Not so fast fatnuts. Yup, Mars’ polar icecaps have been retreating the last three years. So what? Here are some important points to remember:

>>Mars’ orbital eccentricity is five times earths.

>>Mars has no oceans and only a very thin atmosphere, which means there is very little thermal inertia – the climate is much more susceptible to change caused by external influences.

>>The whole planet is subject to massive dust storms, and these have many causal effects on the planet’s climate, very little of which we understand yet.

>>We have virtually no historical data about the climate of Mars prior to the 1970s

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm
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February 8, 2012 11:09pm
Manolo

On the footsteps of Comrade Clark: http://news.investors.com/Article/600452/201202080802/government-dependence-jumps-under-president-obama.htm
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February 9, 2012 5:09am
fatnuts

See, got one Griff.
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February 9, 2012 7:01am
Viking2

“We’re on our way to the magical $15 people talk about, but we can’t get there in one step,” Mr Key said.

What can we say?
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February 9, 2012 7:07am
Manolo

Would you give water ownership to these two beasts? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6384960/Teen-attacked-in-central-Wellington
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February 9, 2012 7:10am

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