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Johnboy

Yvette mon amour. Les mathématiques n’ont jamais été mon strongpoint. 🙂
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February 4, 2012 6:12pm
Johnboy

“Berkeley Scientists Decode Brain Waves. Can See Words In Your Head:”

Never let them decode yours Scotty.

Flatlines are really boring. 🙂
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February 4, 2012 6:19pm
Manolo

The greedy racists never miss an opportunity to ask for special treatment: http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/17027756-Governor-General-questioned
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February 4, 2012 6:21pm
Johnboy

Calm down Manolo. The only chap I know who took then seriously made hats out of them. 🙂

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=coonskin+cap&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=W8EsT5bVIoOTiQepgvXWDg&ved=0CGQQsAQ&biw=1038&bih=828
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February 4, 2012 6:26pm
wat dabney

reid,

“No I’d only take yours away wat. What about that don’t you understand. Crikey.‘

Because I don’t think it’s true. I’m flattered, but what is it that is so unique about me that you’d obliterate at the point a gun at? Why would your violence stop there?

Don,

“Freedom of itself, requires limitations wat. If the greater good requires your freedoms to be curtailed because of your mis-application of your freedoms, then it would happen.”

Ah, the “greater good.” And who decides what that is, exactly? An electoral majority?

And suppose you find yourself in a minority?
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February 4, 2012 6:27pm
Griff

Into games johnboy
http://mygamesoft.blogspot.co.nz/2010/12/sven.html

😯
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February 4, 2012 7:00pm
Other_Andy

Whoops!

The US Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) predicted carbon emissions levels wrong by 43 percent.

Preliminary reports from the US Energy Information Administration’s “Annual Energy Outlook” suggest that any carbon crisis may not be quite as imminent as thought.
Not so long ago, the EIA predicted carbon emissions levels would rise by 37 percent between 2005 and 2035.
The EIA now thinks that global CO2 emissions in 2025 will be 6 percent lower than they were in 2005.

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/02/03/global-warming-engine-unexpectedly-slows/
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February 4, 2012 7:25pm
Monique Watson

Did you see the name suppression bollocks around this shit for brains?

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/02/new-zealand-pitcairn-of-pacific-part-2.html

What’s the legal mores around this where the high court suppresses but the relevant tribunal doesn’t see fit, or is legally entitled to lift the suppression?

you’ll be sucking back a lot more than you intended visiting the wrong dentist in Christchurch.
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February 4, 2012 7:41pm
Monique Watson

Followed the Sven link didn’t I? Remind me of the old joke. Wheres the best place to fuck a sheep?
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February 4, 2012 7:44pm
nasska

A man and his dog are shipwrecked on a deserted island. After a few days he decides to reconnoiter the island. He discovers that the only other inhabitants are sheep. He recalls how his farm buddies would brag how they would screw sheep for kicks and he says to himself: ‘I’ll never be that desperate.’

Sooooo, a few days later he can’t get those sheep out of his mind, and soon he’s sneaking up on the flock. Just as he is about to pounce on a really cute one, the dog grabs his leg and won’t let go. He snaps to, and thanks the dog for keeping him from making a fool of himself. This same scene happens every night for a month and the guy is really getting pissed at the dog.

Suddenly one day, the man spies a liferaft bobbing in the surf. In the raft is a beautiful young girl, half dead but alive. He takes her back to his hut revives her and nurses her to health. After a few days the girl is feeling fine, and that evening a rush of gratitude sweeps over her….

She confronts the man: ‘I owe you my life. I’m yours forever. I’ll do anything you want’

‘Anything?’

‘Anything!!’

‘OK, hold that dog for ten minutes!!!’
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February 4, 2012 7:52pm
Johnboy

God it’s not to hard to wind all you twits up is it?

Keep the sheep coming!!! 🙂
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February 4, 2012 7:55pm
nasska

This is a repeat but I don’t think Monique will have read it:

A Love Story
They met in a secluded field, the sun nearly kissing the evening horizon.The warm breeze was full of that earthy musky scent that only those fortunate enough to live outside the urban rat race know, and the quiet whispering of leaves in the Weeping Willow overhead added the final touch to the most romantic scene. They lay there, both naked. He knew he had to have her and have her now.

Without a word being spoken, he managed to move himself to a position of dominance. He could feel instantly that this is what she had been waiting for as she frantically thrust her pelvis at his approaching organ. He moved slowly at first, inch by inch, until he was fully inside her. Then as tension rose, they began the ultimate in sex.

Although inexperienced, she approached every change of position with enthusiasm, moaning with despair every time he withdrew to prevent himself from ending it all too soon. As sexual tension heightened towards the inevitable mind-blowing climax, it was all he could do to hold out until the moment they had been both waiting for was upon them. As it did, they rolled together in the now damp grass. As the last deep orange glow of the long setting sun melted into the darkness of approaching night, as they lay there still entwined in an amorous embrace, he kissed her long and lovingly and whispered how good she had been. She tenderly and sensuously licked his inner ear and whispered, “Baaa”, then re-joined the flock.
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February 4, 2012 7:58pm
Other_Andy

Next arrival

‘Tremain’ as posted on Whaleoil.
Please keep platform clear for those disembarking from gravy trains.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Tremain-at-his-best-001.jpg
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February 4, 2012 8:00pm
nasska

Humpty Dumpty sat on his bed
As little Bo Beep was giving him head
Just as he came she began to weep
She could tell by the taste he’d been shagging her sheep!!
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February 4, 2012 8:01pm
Viking2

Freedom of itself, requires limitations wat.
If the greater good requires your freedoms to be curtailed because of your mis-application of your freedoms, then it would happen.

Ah that’s the Catholic Version.

The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance.
And as wat points out who decides the greater good?

Your choice may not necessarily be mine.
Alomost vertainly wouldn’t be. Mine wouldn’t interfere with you and you freedoms.
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February 4, 2012 8:08pm
Monique Watson

lol: “Just as he is about to pounce on a really cute one” . Ha ha had missed that next one too.

I just sent my husband the link, he bemusedly said: why did you send me a link to a sheep fucker game? 🙂

Courtesy of my brother in Inglewood: A Up against a cliff because the sheep will bump backwards harder.
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February 4, 2012 8:12pm
nasska

V2 has given us the acid test for freedom. If my freedom to do as I wish doesn’t infringe on your freedom to do the same then get the Hell out of my life.
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February 4, 2012 8:12pm
Griff

A farmer is sitting in the neighborhood bar slowly getting drunk. A man comes in and asks the farmer, “Hey, why are you sitting here on this beautiful day getting drunk?” The farmer says, “Some things you just can’t explain.” “So what happened that is so horrible?” the man asked. The farmer then decides to try an answer, “Well if you must know, today I was sitting by my cow milking her. Just as I got the bucket about full, she took her left leg and kicked it over.” “That’s not so bad, what’s the big deal?” The farmer says, “Some things you just can’t explain.” “So what happened?” the man asked again. The farmer relenting, continued, “I took her left leg and tied it to the post on the left with some rope. Then I sat down and continued to milk her. Just as I got the bucket about full she took her right leg and kicked it over.” “Again?” The farmer says, “Some things you just can’t explain.” “So, what did you do then?” the man asked, intrigued. “I took her right leg and tied it to the post on the right. I sat back down and continued to milk her, and just as I got the bucket just about full, the stupid cow knocked over the bucket with her tail.” “Wow, you must have been pretty upset! but that’s no reason to just sit here getting all depressed.” The farmer says, “Some things you just can’t explain.” “So then what else did you do?” the man asked again. “Well I didn’t have any more rope, so I took off my belt and tied her tail to the rafter. That’s when my pants fell down and my wife walked in.”
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February 4, 2012 8:16pm
Viking2

watch out naaska. befuckedreal will be along to advise us of his wisdom ably supported by that other fountain of all knowledge scotty.

Call the spaceship and have them beaned up please.
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February 4, 2012 8:17pm
nasska

Another repeat but put up before Monique started commenting here:

Man is being prosecuted in Chester Crown Court for unnatural acts with a sheep. Prosecuting counsel wants to get away for an early bath so he says to the defence barrister that a guilty plea from the defendant for attempting the said act would be acceptable to the Crown and the defendant would probably get away with a modest fine.

Defence barrister refuses to accept the offer. ‘Why not?’ asks the prosecutor.

‘Well, if my client pleads guilty to attempt he will never be able to show his face in the pub again.’

Prosecuting counsel looks puzzled

‘Just imagine’, says defence counsel, ‘the things people would say ….’

Prosecuting counsel looks even more puzzled

‘….. here comes Dai – can’t even fuck a sheep’
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February 4, 2012 8:19pm
Luc Hansen

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783378

This case is turning into the ultimate circus.

The really ludicrous aspect of this decision is the mistrust of both the police and technology to ensure Kim Dotcom remains in the country.

I guess I didn’t realize just how inept our boys and girls in blue are.

The judge may just as well have said, “You are a fat, immoral prick, I don’t like your face and the cops are hopeless so you are gonna stay locked up!”

So there.

This is purely a white collar crime case. The man is no danger to society and his business has been shut down.

Injustice writ large.
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February 4, 2012 8:20pm
Johnboy

Slow down a bit with the sheep jokes guys.

I have to write them all down and read them to my girls, they aren’t computer literate yet.

I’m working on that but they keep shitting on the carpet.
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February 4, 2012 8:23pm
Luc Hansen

Right Now

A doubling of CO2, certeris paribus, will result in a temperature increase of about 1.2C.

I think we agree on that.

The CO2 concentration has increased by by about 40% over preindustrial times, yet temperature has risen already by 0.8C.

This should tell you something else is at work here.

They are called positive feedbacks, which are overwhelming the small negative feedbacks such as cooling from clouds.

Every time I go back to Jim Hansen’s 1988 scenario predictions I am stunned at the accuracy of what he then predicted.

If your belief system prevents you from accepting plain science, then I can’t help you.

Nobody can.

And Christopher Monckton is deeply and unutterably corrupt. That’s just a statement of fact. He is bought and paid for by the vested interests intent on protecting the source of their wealth.

He reminds me of the late Roger Kerr, who stuck me as having devoted his entire life to the disservice of his country.
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February 4, 2012 8:32pm
Luc Hansen

oops editing beat me – struck, not stuck
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February 4, 2012 8:37pm
reid

This should tell you something else is at work here.

It certainly does Luc. It tells me the giant ball of fire in the sky has been very busy indeed.

Tell me Luc as someone whom I suspect probably really cares about plants, what happens to them if there’s no CO2?

Do you think they’ll be ok or is it you and people like you who will end up as the biggest plant killers the planet has ever known. How does your vegetarian wing BTW feel about all of this? Are they happy?

Or is it just you haven’t even told them you’ve decided to victimise plants by taking away their food source.

I hope it’s not that Luc. I just really hope it’s not that.
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February 4, 2012 8:39pm
Steve

No text jokes but I do have this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mtVK-xaR0U
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February 4, 2012 8:39pm
Luc Hansen

Say, who else caught the sexiest girl to girl kiss ever at the Sevens, just before the Kiwis semi final?

I just had to replay it a few times!
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February 4, 2012 8:39pm
nasska

Johnboy

Something came up the other day that I reckon we should bring you up to speed on. We all know that there are some real kinky bastards living in the Hutt Valley who are yet to come out of the closet/shearing shed & a new establishment called “Renta Sheep” has opened up somewhere above Eastbourne. Unfortunately they have been neglectful in ovine health of some of the more attractive ewes.

As fro Monday sheep heading back in our direction are swabbed & put in quarantine for a month before they are declared free of STDs.
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February 4, 2012 8:43pm
Luc Hansen

Now Reid, you know as well as I do that the output of the sun is very carefully and accurately measured.

Why would you want to believe outright nonsense?

Better still, point me to a peer reviewed study in one of the major journals that confirms your thesis.

And please, not the Annals of a Prostitute’s Diary! (No offense to prostitutes, I just don’t turn to them for science)
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February 4, 2012 8:44pm
reid

CERN study Luc.

Just google it.

Crikey.
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February 4, 2012 8:46pm
Viking2

Luc Hansen (3,322) Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783378

This case is turning into the ultimate circus.

The really ludicrous aspect of this decision is the mistrust of both the police and technology to ensure Kim Dotcom remains in the country.

I guess I didn’t realize just how inept our boys and girls in blue are.

The judge may just as well have said, “You are a fat, immoral prick, I don’t like your face and the cops are hopeless so you are gonna stay locked up!”

So there.

This is purely a white collar crime case. The man is no danger to society and his business has been shut down.

Injustice writ large.

Welcome to real world luc. One small step for man, one big step for mankind.

Worst part is that the Judge appears to be asleep at his bench and Davidson should be replaced with ahungry bird like the one who got Zaoi out.
Davidson is also asleep at the wheel.
To old, lazy and wrapped in the system Give me a pasionate advocate anyday.
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February 4, 2012 8:50pm
Luc Hansen

Ah, cosmic rays.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/09/cosmic-rays-and-clouds-potential-mechanisms/

However, it is clear that substantially more work needs to be done before we adequately understand these physical connections, and that no broad conclusions regarding the effect of cosmic rays on clouds and climate can (or should) be drawn from the first round of CLOUD results. Finally, there has been no significant trend in the cosmic ray flux over the 50 years, so while we cannot rule out cosmic-ray/cloud mechanisms being relevant for historical climate changes, they certainly have not been an important factor in recent climate change.

Which part of “cosmic rays stable, temperatures still rising” do you have trouble grasping?
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February 4, 2012 8:57pm
Luc Hansen

Time for a wet T-shirt competition at the Sevens?
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February 4, 2012 8:59pm
nasska

Luc

Shisssh! You’ll wake the Xtians.
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February 4, 2012 9:10pm
Luc Hansen

God forbid!
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February 4, 2012 9:14pm
reid

Luc, which part of “bias” don’t you understand?

Bias BTW was one of the seven sages of Greece. He said: all men are bad. Isn’t that interesting.

If you go to one of your soulmate’s sites in other words, to discover a reference, why of course you’ll find a spun article. Der.

But if you recognise your bias and seek truth regardless, you’ll look for your info elsewhere, but sadly you didn’t Luc. What a big silly you are. Whose a big silly then?
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February 4, 2012 9:17pm
RightNow

Luc, there does indeed seem to be a ‘consensus’ that 1.2 deg C is around the ballpark for a doubling of CO2 – I think the latest IPCC estimate was actually about 1.5.
The feedbacks are posited to be in the magnitude of 3x. Observations would indicate less than 1x over the last 15 years – depends on who you believe though.

What I found interesting is the cost of doing nothing vs the cost of action. Estimates are $US170 trillion to mitigate 1 deg C of warming.

WRT Hansen’s 1988 predictions (projections) we’re remarkably close to scenario C don’t you think?
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February 4, 2012 9:20pm
Viking2

Go have a look at the video here of how cold it is in europe.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/more-than-220-dead-as-europe-freezes-20120204-1qyg6.html
More than 220 dead as Europe freezes
February 4, 2012 – 5:21PM

Snow covered palm trees at lake Lungolago in Lugano, Switzerland Click to play video
Deadly cold snap grips Europe

Freezing weather sweeps through Russia, Poland, Italy and France, causing disruption.

Replay video

223 people dead in last seven days
1600 people treated for frostbite and hypothermia
Venice canals freezing over
Ancient monuments like the Colosseum closed

Temperatures have plunged to new lows in Europe where a week-long cold snap has now claimed more than 220 lives as forecasters warned that the big freeze would tighten its grip over the weekend.

A total of 223 people have died from the cold weather in the past seven days according to an AFP tally, with Ukraine suffering the heaviest toll.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/more-than-220-dead-as-europe-freezes-20120204-1qyg6.html#ixzz1lOpAf4gO
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February 4, 2012 9:22pm
reid

The judge may just as well have said, “You are a fat, immoral prick, I don’t like your face and the cops are hopeless so you are gonna stay locked up!”

So there.

I quite agree V2. Truth in sentencing. As a matter of fact it should be illegal for the judge not to say such things and also illegal for them not to be reported in every single newspaper every day no matter what.

Maybe that’ll learn em.
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February 4, 2012 9:24pm
Steve

Luc, do you know what a cock is?
Go away to the Strandard and Red Blert
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February 4, 2012 9:26pm
RightNow

BTW, this is a logical fallacy

Statement 1: There has been no warming in the past decade.

Statement 2: The past decade is the warmest on record when averaged, therefore Statement 1 is false.

Let’s say I am 30 years old (I wish). In my 3rd decade I was on average taller than in my second decade (on average), am I therefore still growing?
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February 4, 2012 9:26pm
jonno1

Luc 8.20pm. Totally agree with you (and that has to be a first!) re Dotcom. Certainly seems to be overkill for an alleged white-collar crime, at least as reported to date.

And then you go and spoil it all at 8.32pm with the ad homs. OTOH, it occurs to me that you may simply be goading others into responding, as a kind of hobby. I hope so, anyway. But if not, another view on the influence of cosmic rays on the earth’s climate is contained in “The Chilling Stars” by Svensmark & Calder. Well worth a read, whether you choose to agree or not.

PS The “t” is redundant nasska 9.10pm
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February 4, 2012 9:28pm
reid

Hiter is informed MegaUpload was taken down by the Feds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVTILGRD8Ak&feature=player_embedded
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February 4, 2012 9:32pm
bereal

Hey Luc,

if only we could have the sevens in the nude.
Think of all the ‘eye candy”
as you say,

And,
Viking2 shows again @ 8.50 how much he hates NZ Police and law and order.
Why do you hate them so much Viking2 ?
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February 4, 2012 9:33pm
nasska

jonno

A moot point?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xian

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xtian
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February 4, 2012 9:36pm
Griff

Out in the middle of darkest Africakura there was a White Missionary living with a tribe of maori natives.

One day the big chief comes along and calls the Missionary into his hut, where he was sharpening his big axe. He explains to the white man that his daughter has just given birth to a white baby, and that since the missionary’s the only white man for tens of miles, the missionary will be the “main course” at dinner that night.

“Now just hang on a minute, give me a chance to explain, chief,” says the Missionary. “You’re jumping to conclusions here. Let me tell you a story. See all those white sheep out in the field and how there’s one black one amongst them.”

The Chief thinks for a moment. “OK!” says the Chief, “You say nothing, I say nothing.”
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February 4, 2012 9:38pm
reid

This is pretty cool

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/08/pouring-tea-in-a-plane-upside-down/
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February 4, 2012 9:40pm
Griff

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xian
3 Xian
Pink. To be pink. To show ones pink bits. To exude olive oil. To be Fully sik mate!(greek) Menopausal Alcoholic mother.
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February 4, 2012 9:42pm
bereal

Maybe if the judge had given Dotcom a gobble in court
then Viking 2 would be satisfied.

Luc could watch, got his eye candy and it
would have been, ‘all good.’
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February 4, 2012 9:46pm
Luc Hansen

Does D J Forbes really think God gives a flying fuck if he scores a try or not?

Bereal, nude volleyball can be interesting.
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February 4, 2012 9:51pm
nasska

Griff

These Xtians/Xians are starting to look like a dodgy lot! Better to give anything that might involve prayer books & pink bits a miss.
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February 4, 2012 9:52pm
Griff

Nasska

Menopausal Alcoholic mother.
I had one
Its now stored on the mantel piece in a small cardboard box
Im afraid do you think I should scatter it now or wait for daylight
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February 4, 2012 9:58pm
Viking2

reid (9,876) Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

The judge may just as well have said, “You are a fat, immoral prick, I don’t like your face and the cops are hopeless so you are gonna stay locked up!”

So there.

Except I didn’t say that reid. Someone else did.
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February 4, 2012 10:01pm
nasska

Griff

Things are always clearer in the light of sunrise.
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February 4, 2012 10:04pm
jonno1

@nasska – hmm, point taken re optional spelling. Still, as an xian/xtian (or god-botherer – GOH’s preferred insult as I recall) I really don’t mind what you call me, just don’t call me Shirley.

The pink bits are a bit of a worry though, so maybe I’ll concede your spelling after all.
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February 4, 2012 10:05pm
fatnuts

Luc, that you are quoting a blog called ‘realclimate’ goes to the strength of your argument.

CERN on the other hand, despite being directed ‘not to interpret the results’ are quoted ‘Climate models will need to be substantially revised’. The work involves over 60 scientists in 17 countries.
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February 4, 2012 10:07pm
Luc Hansen

I love the comments section on Real Climate where real climate scientists debate and keep us all informed. One can come across little gems like this comment:

…you are posting that despite the currently known forcings explaining the situation well, there must be some factor which negates all of that, and an additional unknown forcing or forcings that has exactly the same net effect. I (and IPCC) find that scenario very unlikely. – gavin]
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February 4, 2012 10:20pm
Luc Hansen

fatnuts

I’ll trump your 60 scientists from 17 countries with thousands of scientist from 194 countries that form the IPCC.
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February 4, 2012 10:21pm
reid

Except I didn’t say that reid. Someone else did.

That’s a shame V2 for I was praising the author, not condemning them.
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February 4, 2012 10:23pm
Luc Hansen

And another:

Interestingly in an article yesterday in the UK paper the Mail on Sunday, reported that the UK Met Office and the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia (headed by Professor Phil Jones) have issued a report based on the data from more than 30000 measuring stations that “confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997″. This is not really consistent with the position taken on this and other sites that global warming is still increasing. Are the Met Office and the CRU mistaken?

[Response: Given a choice between the Met Office being mistaken and the Daily Mail mangling a story, I’d bet on the latter. There is plenty of short term variability in temperatures, and short term trends are not predictive of longer term ones. Thus claiming that the trend from 1997 or last Tuesday proves that global warming has stopped is simply not justifiable – Indeed, there is plenty of evidence that the long term trends have not changed much at all – see here for instance. I will have an update post on this later this week. – gavin]

Comment by Ian — 30 Jan 2012 @ 4:30 AM

What skeptics and deniers fail, either deliberately or incompetently, to take into account is that short term variations exist that can and do overwhelm the underlying trend. The last decade or so has seen some strong negative feedbacks at work, but the warming trend is still discernible and, what’s more, is demonstrated by weather extremes that can only be explained by the extent of the current warming.
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February 4, 2012 10:26pm
RightNow

Luc, I’ll trump your thousands of scientists from 194 countries that form the IPCC with one scientist who is right.

P.S refer to my 9.26 comment about the logical fallacy of saying it’s still warming
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February 4, 2012 10:26pm
Luc Hansen

reid (9,877) Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Except I didn’t say that reid. Someone else did.

That’s a shame V2 for I was praising the author, not condemning them.

Cheers reid. I’ll take all I can get.
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February 4, 2012 10:27pm
Luc Hansen

got a name for me, RN?
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February 4, 2012 10:28pm
RightNow

Nobody knows yet Luc, do you want to nominate one?
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February 4, 2012 10:29pm
RightNow

I forget where I read it, but it seems scientists spent about 100 years bickering before continental drift became accepted over geological stasis. Sometimes it takes a while to figure things out. IMO climate science is still in it’s early stages.
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February 4, 2012 10:35pm
fatnuts

Luc, I’ll raise you an Einstien quote: “no amount of experimentation can prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong”
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February 4, 2012 10:36pm
reid

What alarmists and hysterialists fail, either deliberately or incompetently, to take into account is that AGW is a propaganda campaign as obvious as the blow up tanks and planes and fake radio traffic and Patton and his “5th Army” was prior to D-Day.

Anyone who can’t immediately see this is clearly a great dumbo of the most flabbergasting proportion and well, crikey, words fail me.

Cheers reid. I’ll take all I can get.

You’re welcome Luc.
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February 4, 2012 10:36pm
Griff

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your pink bits!
I come to bury denial, not to praise it.
The good that men do lives after them,
The bad is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with denial

climate science Act 3, scene 2, 74–77
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February 4, 2012 10:39pm
Luc Hansen

WRT Hansen’s 1988 predictions (projections) we’re remarkably close to scenario C don’t you think?

No.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/01/2010-updates-to-model-data-comparisons
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February 4, 2012 10:39pm
reid

Griff does this mean you admit you were wrong and AGW isn’t real after all?
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February 4, 2012 10:45pm
Luc Hansen

RightNow (3,818) Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Nobody knows yet Luc, do you want to nominate one?

I see. So we have a currently unknown forcing(s) that will invalidate 160 years of solid science, yet to be discovered by a currently unknown scientist, and on this basis we will do nothing in response to warnings of clear and present and avoidabledanger to human civilization.

And we are supposed to take this tripe seriously?

It reminds me of when I challenged my former daughter-in-law on a point in the Bible and she told me it was a mistranslation. I said why don’t you guys go over the translation then? The answer was that the original is lost, to which I replied then how can you know it was a mistranslation?
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February 4, 2012 10:47pm
Luc Hansen

Interesting point, fatnuts.

But science isn’t mathematics. There is certainty in the latter, but the former only delivers probabilities.

Any theory can be disproved at anytime with new evidence.

That doesn’t mean every theory is wrong.
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February 4, 2012 10:50pm
Luc Hansen

Steve (2,133) Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Luc, do you know what a cock is?
Go away to the Strandard and Red Blert

What this guy’s problem?

My feelings are hurt!
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February 4, 2012 10:54pm
Griff

After all that effort to paraphrase will
you are educated enough to spot the subtle change in the order of words

This topic is taking up an extortionate amount of bandwidth
it only ends up going round and round
as you have previously stated there are far more immediate problems to confront than the climate over the next 90 years
If I was a gambling man I would bet my home against your house that we will see more climate records broken in the next decade
As to continuously posting links it gets a little tiring after you have seen the same old arguments from both sides at least six times And read numerous misrepresented papers. Only to have the lies resurface again and again

boring
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February 4, 2012 11:00pm
RightNow

Luc -of your thousands of scientists, which one is right?
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February 4, 2012 11:00pm
reid

avoidable danger to human civilization

Luc in the real world “gween” technology is proceeding as fast as it can. (It’s mistaken in what its pursuing, but never mind that.)

But who cares, unless you invade India and China and force them to avoid letting their citizens drive motor vehicles. For this Luc is the only repeat only solution if one thinks CO2 is a problem, climate-wise.

So how come you lefties aren’t encouraging all the Western arms manufacturers and armies to beef themselves up for this necessary and vital and unavoidable conflict to save, nothing less, but the planet?

I’m puzzled by the worldwide lack of reaction Luc. Don’t you guys care about the enviwonment, when push comes to shove?
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February 4, 2012 11:02pm
Nookin

“Does D J Forbes really think God gives a flying fuck if he scores a try or not?”

He believes that his god does. Does anyone else’s view really matter?
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February 4, 2012 11:17pm
RightNow

RE: Hansen’s 1988 projections, the real climate article declares scenario B to be closest to observations by taking a linear trend (from 1984). Their graphic says
Scenario B: 0.27 +/- 0.05 deg C/dec
Gisstemp 0.19 +/- 0.05 deg C/dec
Hadcrut3 0.18 +/- 0.05 deg C/dec

It’s not a very close match in my opinion, but I challenge you to run it again with the latest data. It’s diverging.

This is quick and dirty method, but will save you some work
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1984/to:2010/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1984/to:2011/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1984/to/trend

P.S – don’t you think real climate are being a bit amateur using a linear trend for the comparison?
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February 4, 2012 11:22pm
Luc Hansen

reid

You are misrepresenting the situation. No-one expects India or China to stop progressing their economies.

The West got rich on the back of massive emissions being dumped in the atmosphere and the only reason we are not in the midst of a disastrous situation right now is the ability of the ocean to absorb huge quantities of CO2.

We need to use the wealth we have built up – regardless of short term cash flow crises – to develop non-carbon intensive energy and assist those developing countries to leapfrog the huge emissions curve we went through.

As to why nothing is being done, the answer is quite obvious: the power currently resides in the vested interests, the 0.1%, if you like, who own the governments, businesses and armies.

It’s easy to se the situation as hopeless, but history is replete with the hopeless becoming the new black. Just look at the Arab Spring. It’s got long way to go, but who would have thought it would even get this far 18 months ago?

By the way, war is hugely carbon intensive.
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February 4, 2012 11:23pm
Nookin

The two most asinine comments/questions on the idiot box this week.

John Campbell to Mrs Busch’s lawyer, with Mrs Busch right beside him, on National TV with 27.5 viewers (I only had half an eye on the box).
“Looking at it dispassionately – who do you really think is better to look after the pussies – Craig Busch or his mummy?”

FFS – what is he really going to say to that?

Second really stupid comment — TJ after we won the 7s. “The key to winning the final really was beating England in the semi”.

Like, we would have been in the final had we not won the semi?
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February 4, 2012 11:25pm
fatnuts

Luc, CERN have proven that current, CO2 models are wrong. That’s the science.

Mathematics is a tool of science, used to construct the model. Just because a model correctly predicts an outcome for a period of time does not prove the model. However new data, such as CLOUD can disprove the model. As in this case. Failure to accept this is denial.

Just like ‘C’ as the fundamental limit, one scientists proves one neutrino goes a bit faster that ‘C’, game over…
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February 4, 2012 11:27pm
Luc Hansen

RN

If you check a little further, temperatures have only recently diverged significantly from B. We know the true warming signal is currently suppressed by temporary weather events, for one, and aerosol pollution, for another. Variations come and go. that’s why climate science is done over over the long term.

In the end, I guess it comes down to what you expect from a prediction made over twenty years ago. I think it’s pretty damn good.

That’s my opinion.
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February 4, 2012 11:34pm
RightNow

Black is just a shade of white.

(with no particular reference to anything, I just like the quote)
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February 4, 2012 11:53pm
Scott Chris

Luc Hansen says:- “We know the true warming signal is currently suppressed by temporary weather events”

Illustrated beautifully in this simple graph:

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/hazards/2011/12/enso-global-temp-anomalies.png

Watch out for the next El Nino. He’s gonna be a record breaker.
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February 5, 2012 12:01am
reid

Key should have got himself a megaphone and directed it toward all the protesters until their ears hurt so much they were forced to stop their incessant screeching. Leaving is for whussies. BTW, this action was entirely predictable. Reading the news last week, anyone at all could work out this was definitely going to happen. So what sort of planning had Key done, to avoid looking like a little girl, which he just did, over this. Another example of how useless the Nats are at managing public image generally which is going to be fatal for them this term, if they don’t start doing it a lot, from here on in.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6368974/Key-leaves-Waitangi-due-to-protesters
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