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bereal

Scott and Weihana,

This will not make me many friends either but the fundamental truth exposed by this matter is
that piss and coconuts do not mix well.

i see that he hasn’t had many ‘Relevant” offences Scott.
One thing that you can take to the bank is that piss was a factor in his previous offences.

‘Tis a terrible thing, the drink.’

Also,
be interesting to see if jonnobanks comes back for more medicine.
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February 28, 2012 4:42pm
Weihana

Ms Scott said Koloamatangi had responded badly to being sexually propositioned, “like many young males would”.

This annoys me. It is just what I was saying before, we try to normalize violence and particularly when someone has been sexually propositioned. The implication is that the context of the violence changes something and makes Koloamatangi more understandable. It doesn’t change it for me and there’s no reason to consider that other young males might also be violent pricks. Perhaps it’s time we stop just accepting that young males will be violent and hold them to higher standards of expectation.

The other problem of course is prejudice and intolerance towards homosexuals. Suffice to say if it was a woman asking Koloamatangi for sex he wouldn’t have objected. Even if she was a fat pig at most he would have said “no thanks”. But unfortunately our culture seeks to justify the anger of people like Koloamatangi and it is on that basis that people like him think it’s okay to get violent because another man propositioned you.
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February 28, 2012 4:43pm
Scott Chris

Weihana

You may never have taken a swing at anyone, but I certainly took a swing or two in my youth and been swung at a few times too. (can’t think why 😀 ) Mostly handbags at ten paces, but could easily have ended in tragedy had one of us landed a lucky punch and knocked the other senseless causing him to fall back as a dead weight.

Fact is, Kaukau was plain unlucky. For every 100 punches thrown, very few land square enough to cause instant concussion.

I don’t think Justice has anything to do with luck.
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February 28, 2012 4:48pm
plebe

John boy Key seems to be a PM in need of a backbone at least a backbone New Zealand could admire. The USA wants Kim.com back inside, does NZ say piss of we are NZ and we have our justice system, but our gutless money market dealer who worked for the firm that caused the financial crash says nothing. The happy smarly pm holidays in his homeland Hawaii not NZ is KEY a overseas paid TOADY, a lapdog of the USA and CHINA, where his wealth(keys)comes from.
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February 28, 2012 5:01pm
Scott Chris

“This annoys me.”

Judging by the guy’s name he is Tongan, and apparently Tongans have a particularly violent mana restoration code. Not saying it’s an excuse, it’s just the way things are.

Mainstream homophobic attitudes don’t help either.
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February 28, 2012 5:02pm
Weihana

Scott Chris,

No I haven’t and I don’t consider it any more acceptable than indecent assault. Why is it that the vast majority of men are quite capable of controlling themselves around women, and certainly we all look severely upon any man that would indecently assault a lady, but being loose with our fists is almost seen as a right of passage?

And I agree with you, justice isn’t about luck. But this isn’t a case of being unlucky. If he intended to cause brain damage I would judge him even more severely, but I judge him on the fact that he violently attacked another human being, a person who had done no more than proposition him for sex.
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February 28, 2012 5:06pm
joana

MT-Tinman
It is very , very difficult , almost impossible for an Asian to get work in CHCH..They may have a lot of experience , NZ quals and speak half a dozen languages but they cannot get work. It is a mighty whitey town and as I said , only poms are welcome in the workforce.
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February 28, 2012 5:07pm
Weihana

Scott Chris,

Not saying it’s an excuse, it’s just the way things are.

Indeed, but we can at least make an attempt to fight it by instituting appropriate criminal penalties for this type of unacceptable behaviour.
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February 28, 2012 5:08pm
jonnobanks

MT_Tinman … you’re a prick. Why don’t you take a minute and think about what you just said.

So he is lucky that a drunk driver killed him? And you say this because I called David a hypocrite? Nice one!

I make no apologies that I don’t like drink drivers, even if they feel remorseful afterwards. Plenty of killer scum in jail that feel remorseful after they go through the court systems, how about thinking before they commit the crime. And for this, I get called an ‘areshole’ (sic)

But yes, I do think David did a amazing job getting the 3 strikes law in place.
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February 28, 2012 5:20pm
MT_Tinman

Joana, again you’re telling lies.

More often than not employers will employ an “Asian” ahead of a tired, waste of time, lazy, good for SFA dole-bludger.

Incidentally, if you once again call the Irish “Poms” I’ll tell on you.
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February 28, 2012 5:27pm
MT_Tinman

Jonobanks, no, I’m calling him(?) lucky because you are using his(?) death as an excuse for being an out and out F$#@wit.
He’s lucky not to witness your disgrace.
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February 28, 2012 5:29pm
bereal

there goes jonnobanks back for more, calling others pricks etc.

Guess what jonno, you get called an arsehole because you are an arsehole.
You have demonstrated that fact to all concerned.

An arsehole. (need i colour it in for you ?)
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February 28, 2012 5:34pm
jonnobanks

Bereal and MT_Tinman, et al, well it certainly takes one to know one, and I am glad you have proved this today.
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February 28, 2012 5:46pm
bereal

joana 5.07
of course you are correct.

ChCh is also the Skinhead capital of New Zealand.
And the heroin/homebake capital.

Certain things are self evident. why people refuse to acknowledge them is a mystery.

Poms and Dutch are way over represented in Air New Zealand. (cheap travel home maybe)

South Africans the same in the insurance industry.
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February 28, 2012 5:48pm
bereal

what a weak POS jonnobanks turns out to be.

Now @ 5.20 he is sucking up to D Garrett. (did an amazing job…)

Not only are you an arsehole jonno, you are a pathetic weak crawling arsehole.
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February 28, 2012 6:03pm
jonnobanks

What a POS you are bereal, you scared little fuckwit. Just because I said he did an amazing job with the 3 strikes doesn’t not change anything and just not mean I am sucking up. Good one.
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February 28, 2012 6:11pm
labours a joke

youre a fag jonobanks. Go wallow at the strandard with the rest of the pond scum.
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February 28, 2012 6:21pm
jonnobanks

Fag? Nice one labours a joke, o boo hoo, sounds like you need to go back to 4th form with that call.
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February 28, 2012 6:25pm
krazykiwi

So I’ve been away a while… and on coming back have a questions for any of the regulars

1. Are ad hominems generally more acceptable these days? mean no disrespect to our kindly host… just sayin’

2. where has ‘the world is screwed due to CAGW, oh and all muslims are saints’ Luc Hansen gone?

3. Do Christians still get beaten up here? Hope so. I enjoy a good beating 🙂
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February 28, 2012 7:12pm
Viking2

KiwiGreg (2,281) Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am

Viking2 you need to understand the vast majority of jobs in a developed economy are service jobs and not manufacturing. The is no inherent virtue in working on a production line versus serving coffee at starbucks.

On what basis do you say that. People often enjoy working in that situation. Spent plenty of time doing that myself.
Actually they should have the choice to do so.
Why should they all pour lousy coffee for adicts with piss poor taste just because you and others think our work should be given to someone else because you and others don’t have the capability to do that type of work. Loved working on production lines, especially the type I worked on.
Fuck off and become a coffee monkey if you want. But leave the rest of us to do what we want.
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February 28, 2012 7:24pm
Viking2

david (2,045) Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:57 am

Viking2 your starting point (that the Gummint needs to be the party “creating jobs”) is the great fallacy that leads on to some of your other gripes.
Governments rarely create jobs, they frequently disguise unemployment and unproductive exercises. In the process they make people like Bob Jones extremely happy and give local body politicians a false sense of living in a vibrant, exciting and growing economic environment whereas quite the opposite is true. The money-go round spiral is downwards and ever-decreasing and it is done at a cost to the taxpayer at large. Meanwhile the productive sector (remember them?) get starved of capital needed to support expansion and real job growth.

The best a Government can hope to do in the long term is to create an environment that is conducive to the growth of productive businesses for it is they (and the wages thay pay) that will pay the taxes to provide the safety net that most of us support for those who REALLY need it to survive with dignity.

First question. Where did I say the Govt should create jobs?

No, its the Govt.’s job to create the conditions that will allow businesses to start, grow , employ.
They don’t and remain entrenched against business. They continue to lump business with costs that are not faced in other countries, the continue to deny business the right to negotiate their own wages and conditions with younger workers, they allow local Got. to fleece the crap out of business. They continue to rob business of its capital.
In short they are business unfriendly.
Landlording is a business and a large one at that. In their infinite wisdome they decided to steal the depreciation from a landlord. Watch what happens in the next year or two. We will never have an abundance of accomodation anymore. Yes there were some exccesses but they were better dealt with than doing what they did.

Govt. (local and Natonal), is businesses biggest competitor.
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February 28, 2012 7:33pm
Viking2

grumpyoldhori (2,124) Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:34 am

Fucking great, the accommodation supplement will be dumped, that will have a number of bludging landlords weeping.

Not at all. Just shows how unintelligent you really are.
But there will be lots of families sleeping under hedges.
and Guess what. The moment that starts to make press or TV Key and co will be running around like hens with no heads attempting to stop the conflagation that will arise.

Fucking Good. the sooner the better.
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February 28, 2012 7:38pm
Fairfacts Media

After finding the thought somewhat unpleasant, I then realised why shouldn’t Stephen Hawkin enjoy sex too!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106025/Stephen-Hawking-visits-California-swingers-sex-club.html?ITO=1490
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February 28, 2012 7:39pm
nasska

krazykiwi

1) Ad homs come……Ad homs go. Over all little has changed except we’ve lost some of the screwiest commentators & gained others.

2) Luc has installed a dungeon in his garage over the summer holidays & spends most of his time kissing the whip of SWMBO. Probably that was all that was missing from his life.

3) Open season on religious nutters has been delayed for a couple of weeks. I’ll let you know when to start praying.
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February 28, 2012 7:40pm
Griff

Department of Homeland Security
Secretary Janet Napolitano today unveiled the Department of Homeland Security’s fiscal year 2013 budget request of ### $39.5 billion ### in net discretionary funding.
Those towel heads have made their biggest gain in turning the USA into a police state.
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February 28, 2012 7:49pm
Scott Chris

Anyone who used to watch the Smurfs will find this 17 second bit funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWB9k8nxZFc&feature=related
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February 28, 2012 7:52pm
Viking2

bereal (1,417) Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

jonnobanks,

Jeez, you are really revealing yourself to be a piece of work mate.

You must be close to perfect, in your own mind.

Oh dear, Oh dear.
bereal. turn round and look in the mirror.

does that mean you will no longer be nasty to PEB and myself. Not again, not anymore?
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February 28, 2012 7:52pm
nasska

An uplifting Story –

There was a man who lost one of his arms in an accident. He became very
depressed because he loved to play Golf .
One day in his despair, he decided to commit suicide.
He got on an elevator and went the top of a building to jump off.
He was standing on the ledge looking down and saw this man skipping along,
whooping and kicking up his heels.
He looked closer and saw that this man didn’t have any arms at all.
He hurried down and caught up with the man with no arms.
He told him how glad he was to see him because he lost one of his arms
and felt useless and was going to kill himself.
He thanked him again for saving his life and said he knew he could make
it with one arm if that guy could go on with no arms.
The man with no arms began dancing and whooping and kicking up his heels
again.
He asked, ‘Why are you so happy anyway?’
He said, “I’m NOT happy, my balls itch.”
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February 28, 2012 8:00pm
Scott Chris

Family Guy does Burt and Ernie (20 seconds):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBKYX8ayZSI&feature=related

Family Guy does a racist Kermit the Frog (6 seconds):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=wR-MrJwqcFc

Hilarious.
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February 28, 2012 8:02pm
Griff

Blind Trip

A coach driver is transporting a group of blind kids back from a school trip. It’s a hot summer’s day and he decides to stop for a break at a country pub. As the blind kids get out the coach he notices them carrying a football. “How are you gonna play football? You’re blind”, he enquires. “Oh we’ve got a special football with a bell in it”, says one of the kids, “Go and have a drink, we’ll be fine!”

Slighty amused, the driver goes into the pub, gets a drink,and sits down to read the paper. Some time passes and a police officer enters.

“Who’s in charge of those blind kids outside?” asks the officer.

“I am officer, is there a problem?”

“A problem!? They’ve just kicked a morris dancer to death”
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February 28, 2012 8:10pm
Steve

A man was driving through Wyoming one spring evening. The road was deserted and he had not seen a soul for what seemed like hours. Suddenly his engine started to cough and sputter and then died, leaving him sitting by the road in total silence. He popped the hood and looked to see if there was anything that he could do to get it going again.

Unfortunately, he had a limited knowledge of cars, so all he could do was look at the engine, in total disgust. As he looked at the engine by the gradually fading light of his flashlight, he cursed that he had not put in new batteries.

Suddenly, through the shadows, came a deep voice “It’s your fuel pump”. The man jumped when he heard the voice, causing him to hit his head on the underside of the hood. “Who said that?” he demanded. As he looked out into the moon lit night, he saw two horses standing in the field alongside the road. The man was amazed when the nearest of the two horses repeated “It’s your fuel pump; tap it with your flashlight, and try it again”.

Still dazed from bumping his head, the man tapped the fuel pump with his flashlight, and then got into the car, turned the key and sure enough, the engine roared to life. He muttered a short thanks to the horse and then sped away in his car.

When he reached the next town, he ran into the local bar. “Large whiskey, please!” he said. A rancher sitting at the bar looked at the man’s ashen face and asked “What’s wrong? You look like you’ve seen a ghost!” “It’s unbelievable” the man said, as he started telling the rancher what had just happened to him down the road. The rancher took a sip of his beer, as he looked thoughtfully at the man. “A horse, you say? Was it by any chance a white horse?” The man replied “Yes it was! Do you think I’m crazy?” “No, you aint crazy. In fact, you’re lucky,” said the rancher. “Because I happen to know the black horse down there don’t know diddly about cars!”
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February 28, 2012 8:16pm
nasska

The teacher in Johnny’s school asked the class what their parents did
for a living. One little girl said her father was a doctor, another
said her mother was an engineer. When it was Little Johnny’s turn, he
stood up and said, “My mum’s a hooker.”

Naturally, after that remark, he got sent off to the principal’s office.
Then, 15 minutes later, he returned. So the teacher asked
“Did you tell the principal what you said in class?”

Johnny said, “Yes”

“Well, what did the principal say?”

“He said that every job is important in our economy,
gave me an apple and asked for my phone number.”
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February 28, 2012 8:25pm
Billjack

Who else has noticed that the warmists have lost the dangerous man-made global warming scientific debate to the sceptics? Now we just need the news media, the politicians and the civil servants to catch up – probably in that order. Of course very few of the left/greens/watermelons will ever admit that they were wrong. Has the Herald ever admitted that it was wrong? Check out the world’s best science blog at http://www.wattsupwiththat.com
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February 28, 2012 8:42pm
Griff

Reminder

Just a reminder that tomorrow is “Hug a Retard” day. So don’t freak out like you did last year. . . . . nobody is trying to hurt you!
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February 28, 2012 8:59pm
nasska

Thanks Griff….I’d forgotten.
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February 28, 2012 9:03pm
reid

New Wikileaks project: Stratfor. 5 million emails.

http://pastebin.com/D7sR4zhT

What will Leighton Smith say?

Crikey.
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February 28, 2012 9:52pm
reid

Who else has noticed that the warmists have lost the dangerous man-made global warming scientific debate to the sceptics?

Billjack it’s an interesting question. Is it for example the case that just cos the science is clearly bollocks and the alarmists clearly mental, this doesn’t mean the media message is going to change anytime soon?

Is it the case there’s too much invested in the project? That the truth doesn’t matter, it never did. Ever?

Is it the case the original Tavistock designers back in the 70’s did everything right just like they did with feminism, except they didn’t take the interweb into account? No-one, not even DARPA who invented it, knew what it would become over these last few decades. They hate it. But they can’t control this version of it, hence the probability they’ll cause something like a nuclear power station meltdown, blame it on the interweb, take it down and replace it with Internet2, which they can control?

OTOH, has the whole AGW all along been just a straw man? A disposable distraction, designed to obscure the political moves which have been made over the last several decades and then just fade away in the 2010-2020 decade, along with peak oil and the other meme bollocks setup for the sheep?

OTOH, is it just a bunch of stuff that just randomly happened, and somehow, all the western MSM got into the same groove all at the same time and in lockstep since the mid-1990’s just coincidentally all determined it must be twue in evewy way – it’s the pwanet, people and somehow all the universities and research institutes all over the world just somehow all in similar lockstep randomly determined they’d only be funding that research which fit the meme?

Who knows. Golly. One things for sure, the UN is certainly innocent, aren’t they. After all, they’re the ultimate democwacy for the whole world, aren’t they. How could they possibli be involved in the scam, in any way at all?

??
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February 28, 2012 10:10pm
krazykiwi

Billjack @8:42. Where have all those alarmist CAGW true-believers gone? Could it be that their ‘science’ has been shown to be a public complacency fueled ponzi scheme… and the the new believers have stopped showing up? Well done Anthony Watts, Jo Nova, Steve Macintyre and many, many others who have kept the spotlight on the greatest scam to afflict humanity.

For those still unsure, the Skeptic Case is an excellent summary of the positions, both scientific and political.
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February 28, 2012 10:55pm
Griff

No KK the got fed up with pointless link wars.
You of course know about. ‘dissuading teachers from teaching science’ Heartland and Smog blog
We had tonnes of fun over that.

I see someones pushing wuwt again
Never trust a scientist or a university always go to the blog site run out of a domestic house for your scientific knowledge
Any site with govt or edu are just in on the deception. TUI of the year
ALT SCIENCE at its best they tell me they even had a mention in the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project
Pointing out that their continuous bleating that the records are are a lie is demonstrably false.
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February 28, 2012 11:50pm
Manolo

Do the beasts deserve it? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/28/guantanamo-detainees-get-new-750g-soccer-field/
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