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Griff

Costa Concordia fuel pumping begins
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/costa-concordia-fuel-pumping-begins-20120213-1t05w.html

We were pumping far quicker
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February 13, 2012 8:18am
Don the Kiwi

Looks like Griff is the only one to shit the bed this morning 😉
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February 13, 2012 8:45am
Griff

Lovely
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February 13, 2012 8:46am
Keeping Stock

Neh; just been negotiating Auckland’s traffic 🙂
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February 13, 2012 8:47am
peterwn

Griff – in fairness to the Costa Concordia salvors they were restrained from fuel pumping while the search for survivors or bodies continued. Presumably the authorities considered that a significant oil spill was unlikely while the search continued so pumping cxould wait. There was no such restraint with the Rena.
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February 13, 2012 8:55am
peterwn

Today – The Justice Ministry can pass details of fines defaulters to dept collection / recording agencies. Now enforcement of fines or tax collection across international borders is not permitted internationally (private debts including student loans can be enforced interationally). This raises an interesting point – can (say) Veda or other agencies share this data with international affiliates? Could making this information available in other nations breach their local privacy laws?
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February 13, 2012 9:00am
Pete George

Dave, mate, you might have a point.

NZ, mate, you might have a drinking problem

According to police, they were “very pleased” with crowd behaviour. Though there were more than 100 arrests, it was down on previous years. They’re pleased with more than 100 arrests? If there’d been more than 100 arrests at Waitangi Day or the Occupy Wellington removal, there’d be a national scandal.

Though it now seems that the Waitangi Day pub crawl in London was not quite as bad as first reported, aren’t we seeing a common theme here? Will the pissed young Kiwi become as popular a national stereotype as the unfunny German, the arrogant Frenchman, and the womanising Italian? If New Zealand was a person, I’d probably sit him down and tell him he might have a drinking problem.

The most popular costume at the sevens seems to have been newt. There seems to have been a lot of them.

It would be a shame to be known as Newt Zealanders. Wouldn’t it? It doesn’t look very flash. And, if we were to be honest with ourselves, it feels worse.
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February 13, 2012 9:05am
James Stephenson

If there’d been more than 100 arrests at Waitangi Day or the Occupy Wellington removal, there’d be a national scandal.

If there’d been 60’000 people at Occupy Wellington…
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February 13, 2012 9:12am
Manolo

The stink “multicuralism” is: http://www.news.com.au/national/pay-for-our-trips-home-the-islamic-womens-welfare-associatio/story-e6frfkvr-1226269206838
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February 13, 2012 10:06am
calendar girl

On the Yahoo Xtra home page this morning there’s a poll with the question: “Has the ‘Breast is Best’ message been taken too far in NZ?” Presently 72% are responding “Yes” out of about 12,000 votes.

Interestingly, earlier in the morning the question in the poll was posed rather differently – something like “Have NZ’s breastfeeding advocates become too pushy?” The “Yes” vote was 83% when about 8,000 votes had been cast when I saw it then.

Who changed the question? Are our breastfeeding extremists continuing to censor the media? Why hasn’t Yahoo Xtra noted explicitly the change of question, and explained why? How can it just assume that the two questions have precisely the same meaning, allowing the answers to both questions to be merged clandestinely?

Media standards as bad as ever, even (especially?) on the web.
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February 13, 2012 10:21am
RightNow

Pete “It would be a shame to be known as Newt Zealanders. Wouldn’t it? ”

To who? Like attracts like. Hard drinkers like other hard drinkers. Easy roots like other easy roots. Prudes like other prudes.
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February 13, 2012 10:22am
Griff

Voters with a view on how the electoral system should be changed can now have their say.

The Electoral Commission today launched a review of MMP.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6408625/Voting-on-New-Zealands-electoral-system
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February 13, 2012 12:50pm
KevinH

@peterwn

The passing of fine defaulter information to private credit agencies by the Justice Dept is a breach of our civil rights enshrined under the Privacy Act. In the case of the Justice Dept, no service or goods were exchanged in this transaction. Also Baycorp have for years threatened non payers with credit reporting, a completely false allegation that has until today not been possible.
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February 13, 2012 1:39pm
Elaycee

“…passing of fine defaulter information to private credit agencies by the Justice Dept is a breach of our civil rights enshrined…”

FFS! What about MY rights as a taxpayer? Why should I have to subsidise spongers and bludgers?

if you pay your bills, there’s no chance of any ‘fine defaulter’ information being passed to anyone.

There – sorted for you. 🙂
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February 13, 2012 2:12pm
jonnobanks

For a man was concerned about law and order, he appears to have little regard for it. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6409587/Ex-MP-admits-drink-driving

Lock him up!
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February 13, 2012 3:01pm
MikeMan

$550 fine and 6 months with no license for David Garrett for DIC.

So some more posting on here as he telecommutes maybe, or will the “Work License” dodge be used I wonder.
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February 13, 2012 4:41pm
kowtow

This case merits some attention.
The guy was on his way here to seek asylum from the Saudis.( Bet our Ministry for Overseas Arse Licking are relieved he didn’t make it.
The Muslim Malays have sent him back right fast to that bastion of Islamic tolerance, Saudi Arabia.
Will the international medianotice?

Sorry bad time of year to get noticed for something like free speech especially when the real news is a washed out druggie singer dieing in a bath.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/02/201221261818596507.html
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February 13, 2012 5:16pm
Manolo

Yet, some of these people refuse to confront reality. Greece is royally fucked.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/12/buildings-set-on-fire-in-greece-ahead-debt-vote/
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February 13, 2012 5:30pm
chiz

Driver charged over Hubbard crash.
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February 13, 2012 5:32pm
chiz

For some years now it has been possible in some countries to buy transgenic fish that glow in the dark. Now someone has realised that you don’t just have to look at them in an aquarium and has taken the next step. Yes, its The Glowing Sushi Cooking Show. Totally verboten of course if the greens had their way.
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February 13, 2012 5:37pm
Don the Kiwi

chiz.

You’re a sick puppy. 🙂
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February 13, 2012 5:55pm
bhudson

KevinH,

The passing of fine defaulter information to private credit agencies by the Justice Dept is a breach of our civil rights…

Defaulting on fines is a breach of our civil rights [the rest of us that did not incur the fine.] Are we not entitled to know who owes us money and has not paid?
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February 13, 2012 6:07pm
fatnuts

Some real damage from ‘global warming’

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=airlines-urge-un-deal-to-avert-carb

SINGAPORE (Reuters) – Global airlines called on Sunday for a U.N.-brokered deal to prevent a row over aviation emissions between China and the European Union spilling into a damaging trade war.

The call by the head of the International Air Transport Association (IATA) comes amid signs that the EU may be willing to soften a unilateral stance that also risks souring efforts to resolve Europe’s sovereign debt crisis with Chinese support.

In an interview, IATA Director General Tony Tyler said airlines had become wedged between conflicting domestic laws after China ordered its airlines not to join the EU’s compulsory market-based system for regulating airline emissions.
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February 13, 2012 6:19pm
Other_Andy

Even if you are in favour of ‘Green’ energy, windmills are not the solution.

wind turbines:
Some wind turbines are 400 feet tall and spoil the natural beauty of the countryside.
The diameter of the cement base of the windmills can be 250 feet and a single blade weighs seven tons.
They cast giant shadows,
They throw off dangerous quantities of ice.
People living near them complain of health problems, difficulty sleeping, and strange pressure in their ears.
There is low, intense thudding noises of the turbines and the strobing effect of the blades..
The windmills often require trees to be cut down and roads to be cut into pristine countryside.
Birds and bats fall prey to the massive blades, and such is the pressure created that bat lungs explode.
Energy generated cost more than 3 times that of conventional energy.
Conventional (Gas, oil, coal) power stations need to be kept fired up for backup in case the wind stops.

Windfall is that rare documentary that casts a sceptical gaze on claims made by the left, though in this case the environmental lobby’s interests line up neatly with those of the Wall Street investment banks that bankroll this supposed miracle cure to our alleged greenhouse-gas problem.

http://firstrunfeatures.com/windfall/

Watch the trailer:

http://firstrunfeatures.com/trailers_windfall.html
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February 13, 2012 6:39pm
Steve

chiz (282) Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
For some years now it has been possible in some countries to buy transgenic fish that glow in the dark. Now someone has realised that you don’t just have to look at them in an aquarium and has taken the next step. Yes, its The Glowing Sushi Cooking Show. Totally verboten of course if the greens had their way.

Did anyone check if your shit glows? all the way to the sewage ponds? Quite funny, imagine driving the motorway to Albany and the shit ponds glow! lol
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February 13, 2012 7:24pm
Scott Chris

Yea, the noise pollution issue with wind turbines is a problem. Should be built in remote areas like Central Otago where the natural landscape has been ravaged by humans already.
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February 13, 2012 7:24pm
fatnuts

Scott – built far away from the consumers? Not a good idea, loss in transmission causes inefficiency. For reliabilty a multi site, small scale plant approach is a much better answer. And not wind, which I understand can only ever supply about 30% of peak load.

The sooner the power generating SOEs and privatized the better; the first thing to go will be the loopy, idealist projects like wind power. Which has only resulted in higher power prices to make the projects viable.
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February 13, 2012 7:30pm
nasska

Other_Andy

All good reasons why the wanky Greens should take a deep breath & do some research before shooting their traps off. You did, however, miss one of the major drawbacks. Ref: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-05/china-rare-earths-leave-toxic-trail-to-toyota-prius-vestas-wind-turbines.html

Clean & green my arse.
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February 13, 2012 7:39pm
Steve

And go NUCLEAR fatnuts. I am all for it.
Phark, the Greenies, the Lefties, the fucking paranoid. We will always hear about the bad Nuclear things, but MSM does not report on the good things.
Loss in transmission is a problem, there is an idea about Nuclear Batteries where the reactor is no bigger than a fridge. When expended it is removed and another battery replaced. Try and think ahead of the next 20 years.
Link/source? go search ‘nuclear battery’
edit ‘Hyperion’ is the word
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February 13, 2012 7:43pm
nasska

Two Aussie cattle drovers standing in an Outback bar.

One asked, “What are you up to, Mate?”

Ahh, I’m takin’ a mob of 6000 from Goondiwindi to Gympie.”

“Oh yeah … and what route are you takin’?”

“Ah, probably the Missus; after all, she stuck by me durin’ the drought.”
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February 13, 2012 8:00pm
Steve

Trouble with the gay Prius owners (who have an eco friendly car pffft) is that they are the first to bitch about Electricity prices, when they plug their car each night.
Eco my arse
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February 13, 2012 8:01pm
nasska

Steve

I checked it out. A good article is at: http://thefutureofthings.com/news/1079/hyperion-nuclear-batteries.html

As they opine, the eco warriors will greet the concept with protest, free from fact or logic.
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February 13, 2012 8:07pm
Don the Kiwi

A pommie happened to walk into the same bar, with a toad on his head.

The barman said, “where didja get that, mate?”

The toad said, ” Dunno – started off as a wart on me arse.”
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February 13, 2012 8:07pm
Steve

A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband
stalking around with a fly swatter.

“What are you doing?” She asked.

“Hunting Flies” He responded.

Oh. Killing any?” She asked.

“Yep, 3 males, 2 Females,” he replied.

Intrigued, she asked. “How can you tell?”

He responded, “3 were on a beer can, 2 were on the phone.”
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February 13, 2012 8:09pm
MikeMan

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10785310

So David Garrett has been convicted three times even though the middle charge was dismissed without conviction?

Do the reporters at the Herald even proof read this shit?
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February 13, 2012 8:11pm
mikenmild

But surely three times before the court makes him pretty much a crook…
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February 13, 2012 8:13pm
nasska

Q. What’s black, lies on the floor, “Will Always Love You” and has white stuff around its nose?

A. A border collie
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February 13, 2012 8:15pm
mikenmild

Although, while we’re on the subject of media inadequacies, how’s this for a misleading headline:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/6406164/Hundreds-of-unfit-teachers-in-class
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February 13, 2012 8:17pm
fatnuts

The greenie arguments against nuclear seem to be all based on the failure of first generation reactors. Not enough detail, but this is probably a third generation reactor. These type of devices allow for modular design, reliability and delivery can be finely engineered.

Probably similar to the plutonium plant on the mars curiosity rover, which is a demonstration of how small and versitile nuclear can be.
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February 13, 2012 8:17pm
Steve

warning, hijack. Garrett attackers have arrived.
Lefties can do no better than that (MikeMan, milkymilo)
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February 13, 2012 8:17pm
bhudson

@mikey,

But surely three times before the court makes him pretty much a crook…

Doesn’t say say much for all those barristers then does it…?
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February 13, 2012 8:18pm
Steve

fatnuts,
can you please stop using that term ‘nuclear’ or any of the other names ending in ‘ium’
The crazy ones are swarming, they will come back with crazy lunatic quotes paraphrased from Wikipedia
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February 13, 2012 8:24pm
MikeMan

Steve I am not a leftie however I have no time at all for people who drink and drive.

My first post was about that, the second was despairing at what passes for journalism in New Zealand.
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February 13, 2012 8:24pm
Viking2

They just don’t understand plain English language. I blame Iphones for that.
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February 13, 2012 8:29pm
Steve

@ Mikeman
‘Do the reporters at the Herald even proof read this shit?’
Nope, the reporters can not read, they just write. That foot mouth thingy
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February 13, 2012 8:30pm
Viking2

mikenmild (2,931) Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

But surely three times before the court makes him pretty much a crook…

Be in good company with all the elfties who have been there a few times. Minto, Hariwera,etc etc etc, don’t you think.

One righty to countless hundreds of lefties. Left fail.
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February 13, 2012 8:32pm
mikenmild

Crook is crook don’t you think? Credit to Garrett though, he has taken his lumps.
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February 13, 2012 8:35pm
nasska

….”three times before the court makes him pretty much a crook”…..

I reckon that it firstly shows him to be a human & fallible. None of the offences took place when he was an MP & none would have rated a two centimetre column in the local catbox liner had David Garret not been an MP who got up the noses of the liberal do gooders. He pushed legislation allowing for sentencing reflecting the severity of crimes.

The price the poor bugger is supposed to pay for any sins he’s managed to commit would amount to cruel & unnatural punishment.
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February 13, 2012 8:49pm
big bruv

I have just sat through 8mins and 42 seconds of Paul Henry’s latest TV show.

It is 100% crap.

What the fuck were TV3 thinking?, that show is so bad I felt embarrassed for Henry.

TV3 could have come up with 20 shows that better showcase his talent, but no, they shove him on with a bunch of D list Kiwi “celebs” and it is an abysmal failure.
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February 13, 2012 8:50pm
Northland Wahine

While 3 Strikes was being put together, left wingers were braying about how this will would fill our prisons with minor 3 strike convictions/offenders. Garrett along with the SST did what they could to reassure them, this would not be so.

Amusing to see who continues to bray… Pack of asses…
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February 13, 2012 9:09pm
Scott Chris

fatnuts most of the New Zealand’s hydro electric power generation takes place in remote areas. Are you familiar with the HVDC cable that carries hydro power north and gas and coal power south at peak demand?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_Inter-Island

As for nuclear power, I’m all for it. A growing number of rational greens are keen advocates of nuclear power. Advanced coal power with ccs looks promising too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_coal
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February 13, 2012 9:20pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Well, 3 strikes has had no neglible benefit. Even David Garrett was unable to produce evidence that offenders had any material understanding of what it means or how it works. He postured, and called out into the darkness for Kim Workman to authenticate the absent proof. All said and done it was an expensive exercise, some might say counterfiet, if indeed it’s true that it’s having had no impact other than to promote the fortunes of ACT members who sold out and went for a popularity bet.
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February 13, 2012 9:23pm
nasska

Northland Wahine

It’s the sheer viciousness & personal nature of the attacks against Garret that gets to me. He was a politician & as such has to accept responsibilty for legislation he pushes & must expect that many will disagree with him & tell him so. What, however, he faced was a hostile media determined to crucify any one departing from the programme of crim cuddling endorsed by the Left.

His own foibles cut short his parliamentary career but for many he represented the first NZ politician who gave a stuff for the victims of crime.
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February 13, 2012 9:31pm
nasska

Nostalgia-NZ

Three strikes doesn’t mean much until some POS is looking at their third strike. Give it a couple more years & even if the arseholes are too thick to work it out we can be comforted by the fact that they won’t be reoffending while doing the time for third.
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February 13, 2012 9:36pm
fatnuts

Scott, I have some familiarity with NZ transmission and electricity transmission. Distance causes loss. Even worse when it’s DC under the sea. Not too reliable either, somewhat prone to exploding.
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February 13, 2012 9:36pm
Nostalgia-NZ

nasska 9.31

Hardly that grand nasska.
It’s not about what a some of the electorate thought was happening, but rather what was happening.
3 Strikes is fairly the law, but it doesn’t represent the ‘magic’ that it was sold as, particulary because it’s been both expensive and hasn’t entered the consciousness of its target audience – offenders.
Geting side tracked into David’s personal life in the manner you have raised is a distraction from a law, and a political exercise, that was expensive and which is not working.
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February 13, 2012 9:43pm
kowtow

scott chris @ 724 central otago ravaged by humans….wtf?
Does he live in a house in a town or city? I’d say that’s ravaging the natural landscape…back to you’re cave boyo.

and again @920 “rational greens,” hahahah, now there’s an oxymoron if ever there was one.
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February 13, 2012 9:45pm
Nostalgia-NZ

nasska 9.36

We need to see the pool of the 3rd strikers in this far distance place of the future which is meant to be aiding society now. I doubt there will be many more than a few, the laws as they stood provided the protection the public needs. 3 strikes is a ‘feel good’ law for some, one which got a political party seats in Parliament. It would never have got past Muldoon and other more pragmatic fiscal identities.
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February 13, 2012 9:53pm
Griff

Garrett still posts under his own name that takes way more balls than us anonymous handles.He often adds to the debate in a rational and considered manner rather than just posting dribble

He is fucking human just like the rest of us
There will be plenty of others posting on here who have done as bad or worse
Why do these fuckwits attack him?

Because he has actually done some thing to change this country.
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February 13, 2012 9:54pm
nasska

Nostalgia-NZ

If the pool of third strikers is not large it will mean two things. One is that the crims the law was designed to discourage from further offending are listening. Therefore 3S is working as the crime that would give them a maximum sentence is not occurring. The second is that those thick enough to ignore the sentencing law are imprisoned & therefore unable to commit a fourth or further crimes for as long as they are inside. All crime has a cost & the savings will offset the cost of imprisonment.

It’s a total Win – Win.
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February 13, 2012 10:03pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Griff 9.54

I’m primarily interested in the value for money that is the Justice system, value, diluted by ‘popular’ laws without impact. See also the Weatherson fiasco, found guilty despite using a defence of provocation. And the result is a law change for a law that was working.
How much did those law changes cost?
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February 13, 2012 10:13pm
Griff

Plenty of land for wind farms on the west coast of Auckland the NIMBYs put a stop to their development Might scare the horses you know.
We need more generation. We are very exposed to the amount of rain fall in the south island hydro catchments.

Distributed is good loosen up the RMA to ease the development of extra capacity in small hydro, wind and solar as long as it is economic.

Alternative energy has its place alongside carbon intensive energy production. The technology involve has become a lot cheaper. It would cost me $600 to replace my present solar system as apposed to the $1600 cost five years ago. Dead dinosaur juice will only get more expensive.

Nuclear might be a good idea but is just not possible in this country in the foreseeable future

Do you want it next door?
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February 13, 2012 10:19pm
Nostalgia-NZ

naaska 10.03

Evidence shows (unless you have some yet made available) the offenders are neither listening nor understanding.
The offender is not concerned with public debate, probably unable to comprehend a great deal – much less the prospect he and she will ever be caught. The later being despite a long history of being caught.
So where is the money value, it’s crap politics that fails to deliver it’s dollar value.
But nothing personal, it is the law and it’s value might some time be proved. In the meantime we have a economic crisis going on.
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February 13, 2012 10:20pm
Scott Chris

kowtow are you saying environmentalism is irrational? I suppose you think rain forests and coral reefs are a waste of space too.

Hell, who needs ’em ‘cept a bunch of dumb useless animals. So what if they’ve evolved over 4 billion years, their ancestors surviving five major extinction events. The Anthropogenic sixth extinction event will soon sort them out the useless fuckers.
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February 13, 2012 10:21pm
kowtow

We wouldn’t need 3 strikes if the courts sentenced properly in the first place.

How many lives have to be destroyed before an animal is finally put away.

At least in the good old bad old days the animal was put down.

Progressives,working hard to ruin the world.
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February 13, 2012 10:23pm
Scott Chris

Griff, yup I’d live next door to a nuclear plant.
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February 13, 2012 10:25pm
Griff

There are no inmates that I know of who have been sentenced under the three strike law.
As soon as there is one the whole inmate population will know about three strikes alright.Inmates are not all a bunch of thickos most have the brains not to eat themselfs
If it keeps one piece of shit like Burton of the streets it will pay for itself.
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February 13, 2012 10:27pm
nasska

Nostalgia-NZ

I agree that it is too early to tell. Point is that at this stage with only a couple so far convicted under the new sentencing laws the scheme is generating little additional expense.

It’d be interesting to debate this five years down the track.
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February 13, 2012 10:27pm
fatnuts

Nature already killed off 98% of species. Can hardly complain about mankinds pitiful effect.
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February 13, 2012 10:28pm
Nostalgia-NZ

nasska 10.27

Yes. Certainly.
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February 13, 2012 10:31pm
Elaycee

Griff 9.54pm: +1
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February 13, 2012 11:15pm
Manolo

Outbound “generosity” http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/13/us-usa-budget-foreign-idUSTRE81C1C920120213
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February 14, 2012 7:14am
KiwiGreg

“Trouble with the gay Prius owners (who have an eco friendly car pffft) is that they are the first to bitch about Electricity prices, when they plug their car each night.”

Pretty sure you dont plug a Prius in, it charges off the engine.
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