General Debate 31 January 2012

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Monique Watson

F E Smith at 4.56.

Aggravating factor – what phrase is victorian rubbish IMHO. That’s as good as saying he was slightly less to blame than had he got her drunk deliberately. That cockwad was totally the only maker of the situation of putting his penis where it was not wanted regardless of the state of inebriation of the victim, and who engendered it.

Re drunken rape in general. I’m not saying there aren’t immature females who convert consent into rape after the fact. What I will say is that, no matter how coma’d the participants are – if they’re breathing they’re aware that they’re heaving.
Some part of you knows what you are doing and some part of you is aware that something is wrong. It may take a while to sort out in ones mind if you’re on the receiving end and by this time the act may be over. Also a pissed up offender might be on autopilot but could never argue complete ignorance. That’s what makes the child sex comedian case so horrific. 98 percent of your brain might have no idea what was going on due to intoxication but 2% of the brain by virtue of the mechanics involved will have knowledge and that 2% still turns that person into a sex offender.
If that makes sense. My argument may be flaccid.

On a brighter note:
http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/01/mum-of-week-cherie-sweeney.html
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January 31, 2012 9:19pm
Pete George

Labouring unhappy campers – The Standard rips into Red Alert.
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January 31, 2012 9:35pm
bereal

Hey Pete George,
If you are unable to answer any of the points i made at 7.12 thats fine, just admit it, like a man.

You really are pathetic when you side step the whole issue and drag a red herring by asking me if
i think we should deport a girl who evaded a forced marriage.

Don’t be a girl Pete.
Answering a question with other questions and skewing the subject doesn’t win any
arguments at all.

Your turning into a joke.

In fact, you are a joke.
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January 31, 2012 11:10pm
Manolo

Who needs multiculturalism? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/30/woman-fights-to-run-for-city-council-despite-not-speaking-english-proficiently/#ixzz1l0QC5y3C?test=latestnews
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February 1, 2012 1:38am
Pete George

bereal, perhaps you should read replies rather than repeat unsubstantiated claims. It’s you who are sidestepping, your standard response here (often) is to abuse people who question any claims you make.

So far about all you seem to be arguing is that Sweden has about 5% Muslims (that figure is widely disputed) and has problems with Muslim related crime so if we get to 5% we will too.

History shows us, and i explained to you that the problems really start after they reach 5%

You didn’t explain anything, you simply claimed it.

Without arguing over the debatable 5% threshold, you ignored a vital question. On current population, immigration and refugee trends in New Zealand when will we get to 2%? 3%? 5%?

And what if there is a tendency for old world Muslims to return to their country of origin (like the girl’s family) and for modern Muslims who are prepared to stand up for their Kiwi rights (like then girl) stay here?
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February 1, 2012 6:43am
bereal

Pete, i shouldn’t have said you were a joke, that was out of line, but i did mean it in a loving, inclusive way.

How on earth would i know when we will get to 5% Muslims, but we will. You can put your ring around that.

i don’t think there is any tendency for ‘old world Muslims’ to return.
(How many refugees do you think go back home for eg)

The problem the world over is with 2nd and 3rd generation Muslim immigrants.
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February 1, 2012 8:55am
Pete George

How on earth would i know when we will get to 5% Muslims, but we will. You can put your ring around that.

We’ll get to 5% based on what? Immigration hysteria does lack credibility if there is no actual projection that the magic number will be reached.

We have very different immigration and freedom of movement situations to countries in Europe, we’re not in the EU. Most of our Muslim immigrants come from south Asia.

And the biggest Muslim ethnic group here is Fijian Indian. Many of them had been in Fiji for two to three generations (without taking over the country) but have left Fiji in big numbers over the last couple of decades. Fiji is now down to about 6.3% Muslim (note that is still well over your magic 5%).

Our Muslim situation is vastly different to Sweden, and especially to France which has a much bigger percentage of Muslims. Your fears are not based on facts.
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