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TimG_Oz

Who needed GD yesterday anyway?
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January 30, 2012 8:50am
Pongo

I see that NASA,s latest data shows another year with NO warming,1998 being the last time there was. the Daily Mail has an expert warning about us heading into a cooling period. Might be time to have another look at those computer models at the Met office.
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January 30, 2012 8:59am
Monique Watson

Got a bit grumpy at The Standard yesterday – then I saw this: Don’t get angry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udQSHWpL88&feature=related
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January 30, 2012 8:59am
Pauleastbay

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/wellwishers-mark-ian-paisleys-retirement-from-the-pulpit-16110166.html

One of the worlds great hate mongers has retired from the pulpit, personally I’m waiting for this creature to check out full time
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January 30, 2012 8:59am
Keeping Stock

So; will Trevor Mallard be offering Tony Hodges a job on this side of the ditch?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2012/01/tony-hodges-its-mallard-speaking.html
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January 30, 2012 9:02am
Manolo

A strict follower of vile Islam, the religion of peace, is found guilty: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/29/jury-finds-afghan-family-guilty-in-honor-killings/
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January 30, 2012 9:03am
Other_Andy

Forget global warming – it’s Cycle 25 we need to worry about

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.
Dr Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several papers that argue the Met Office climate models show there should have been ‘steady warming from 2000 until now’.
‘If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories,’ he said.
He believes that as the Met Office model attaches much greater significance to CO2 than to the sun, it was bound to conclude that there would not be cooling. ‘The real issue is whether the model itself is accurate,’ Dr Scafetta said. Meanwhile, one of America’s most eminent climate experts, Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology, said she found the Met Office’s confident prediction of a ‘negligible’ impact difficult to understand.
‘The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings when it comes to the influence of the sun,’ said Professor Curry. As for the warming pause, she said that many scientists ‘are not surprised’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming–Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

And for the antropogenic CO2 worshippers Griff, Luc and Scott Chris, the latest doom and gloom….
From the people who brought you climate-gate, ‘green taxes’ and the associated political agenda, the University of East Anglia.

Hotter summers ‘may kill 5,900 every year’, warns first national risk assessment of climate change

A NZ$5.3 million dollar report by ‘scientits’ from the University of East Anglia keeps the CO2 scare going with predictions of floods and hotters summers and milder winters. It warns the hotter summers could result in up to 5,900 extra deaths a year by 2050.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093297/Hotter-summers-kill-5-900-year-warns-national-risk-assessment-climate-change.html
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January 30, 2012 9:07am
Brian Smaller

@Manolo – front page of the dom has article on a young woman forced into marraige with a cousin (as an aside – what is it about inbreeding and Pakistani culture? We make so much fun of hillbillies and people from Inglewood, when there is a whole country’s culture based on the desire to breed humans with six fingers per hand).

So her father has left NZ but has threatened to kill her if she ever goes back to Pakistan. She is lucky it didn’t happen here. I am also quite amused by the fact that she was so shocked that her family could treat her that way. It’s what they do.
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January 30, 2012 9:23am
Manolo

Thank you, Brian. I have read that article too.
You can only wonder at the savagery of that Islamist “father”, prepared to kill his own daughter in the name of a false honour imposed by a vile and backward-looking religion.
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January 30, 2012 9:27am
immigant

What policies would you like the government to implement this year and why? Try to be realistic.
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January 30, 2012 9:29am
Other_Andy

For anybody who has read The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

You might not know the original title in Swedish
Män som hatar kvinnor or “Men Who Hate Women”

Some background on this movie which might give you an insight in the character of Lisbeth, the ‘mood’ of the story and why this story was written in Sweden.

The truth about Swedish feminism.

The swedish documentary “The gender war” by journalist Evin Rubar still is, as far as I know, the only investigative journalistic examination ever made, about the Swedish state feminism. How it all ties together with big politics. Especially the mighty Swedish social democrat party.

http://www.daddys-sverige.com/3/post/2011/3/the-truth-about-swedish-feminism-do-not-watch-this-film.html

See also:

Bleeding Sweden: the fall into ideological depravity

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-governance-feminism/bleeding-sweden-the-fall-into-ideological-depravity/
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January 30, 2012 9:30am
peterwn

See:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10782085
“School stationery rules irk parents”

One point parents and the journo have missed – schools cannot demand that pupils have a “Collins Dictionary & Thesaurus, 3rd Edition” let alone any dictionary. AFAIK if a school considers it appropriate for pupils to have such a dictionary, the school should provide them as part of the ‘free textbook’ scheme.

Also there is a NZ Standard on school stationery which outlines the various ststionery items and related codes. Schools should limit their requirements to these standard items. If schools consider they need something not covered by the standard, they shoud work through the appropriate channels to have it added to the standard.

Finally if parents are disgruntled about the operation of the school their kids attend, they should take a keener interest in BOT elections, even if just attending the ‘meet the candidates’ meeting and asking questions.

The parents who make the most noise are probably the ones least interested with their local school – parents who take a keen interest in their schools would be the ones making the least noise.
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January 30, 2012 9:34am
OTGO

Immigant – I would like to see the open road speed limit raised to 120k on selected roads eg. Hamilton Expressway or State Highway 1 CHC to Ashburton. And raise the town speed limit to 60k too.
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January 30, 2012 9:42am
Monique Watson

@Immigrant at 9.29 – I’ve got a few on my wishlist:

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/01/food-more-expensive-in-new-zealand.html

Add to the list I’ve started to detail – exploring making New Zealand a republic.
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January 30, 2012 9:43am
Oskar

Brian
Cousin marriages in Islam is a real issue – see http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam.

However it is not unique to Islam – just this weekend there was an article in the Sunday Star Times on the shrinking gene pool available to the Tongan Royal family – see http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/latest-edition/latest-news/6330382/Tonga-marriage-raises-issues-of-genes-and-cost

Back to the story in todays DomPost on the forced marriage and death threats to the 17 year old Pakistani girl in Wellington. Neither practice has any place in New Zealand society.
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January 30, 2012 9:45am
Scott Chris

Other_Andy says:- “Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years”

Rubbish. The hottest 12-month period EVER recorded was from June 2009 to May 2010.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm

>>”The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age”

Rubbish. I take it you missed all the news reports about the reawakening Aurorae. You know what causes that phenomenon don’t you? Have a look at this simple graph. Notice anything?

http://sidstation.loudet.org/03-solar-activity/data/xray-flares.png

Next you’ll be telling us that the sun revolves around the earth. Echos of Galileo verses Pope Urban VIII.
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January 30, 2012 9:48am
Brian Smaller

Neither practice has any place in New Zealand society.

Too late. They are already here.
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January 30, 2012 9:49am
Other_Andy

@SC

I am not saying anything Scott.
Just pasting the articles.

As a mere mortal I wouldn’t dare to question your superior intellect, flawless reasoning and expert knowledge on the subject.
Mind your carbon footprint and Have a nice day!
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January 30, 2012 10:00am
Other_Andy

For all those who have read The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

The original title in Swedish is “Män som hatar kvinnor” or “Men Who Hate Women”

Some background on this movie which might give you an insight in the character of Lisbeth, the ‘mood’ of the story and why this story was written in Sweden.

The truth about Swedish feminism.

The swedish documentary “The gender war” by journalist Evin Rubar still is, as far as I know, the only investigative journalistic examination ever made, about the Swedish state feminism. How it all ties together with big politics. Especially the mighty Swedish social democrat party.

http://www.daddys-sverige.com/3/post/2011/3/the-truth-about-swedish-feminism-do-not-watch-this-film.html

See also:

Bleeding Sweden: the fall into ideological depravity

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-governance-feminism/bleeding-sweden-the-fall-into-ideological-depravity/
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January 30, 2012 10:02am
Spam

Scott Chris:
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/predict.shtml

The current prediction for Sunspot Cycle 24 gives a smoothed sunspot number maximum of about 96 in February of 2013. We are currently about three years into Cycle 24. Increased activity in the last few months has raised the predicted maximum and moved it earlier in 2013. The current predicted size still makes this the smallest sunspot cycle in over 80 years.

Its always useful to actually post a commentary with your graphs (well, before you start mouthing off that people being ignorant of a couple of solar flares means that they think the sun revolves around the earth).
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January 30, 2012 10:13am
Other_Andy

@Manolo and Brian

Don’t worry.
All those stories about honour killings, forced marriages, veiling, halal slaughter and gender segregation happening in New Zealand are just a ‘beat up’.
Pete George has told me several times on this blog that sharia law will never take hold in New Zealand.
It’s all islamophobia.
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January 30, 2012 10:18am
fatnuts

Scott, what do relevance do x-ray flares have to do with anything?

The CERN research that demostrated the significant flaw in AWG centric climate models that are relied on to predict warming demonstrate how charged particles cause clouds seeding.

And weren’t you recently stating that 2011 was ‘the hottest ever?’
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January 30, 2012 10:20am
Other_Andy

@Spam

You heretic!
The Sun has nothing to do with global warming, it is all the fault of evil man-made CO2.
Long term trends don’t matter, dont you know that “The hottest 12-month period EVER recorded was from June 2009 to May 2010.”
Repend!
Be a good boy and pay your ‘Green’ taxes to help to save the World!
Together we can slow the rise of the oceans and heal our planet.
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January 30, 2012 10:28am
Manolo

@Other_Andy

When I read P.G.’s postings, for no apparent reason I hear Kumbaya as background music. Why would that be?
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January 30, 2012 10:30am
RightNow

Its plain to see the world cools when nz has a Labour gummint and warms when we have a Nature gumminr
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January 30, 2012 10:34am
RightNow

Damns phone. Warms when we have a Nat gummint
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January 30, 2012 10:35am
Griff

?????

you are some wot garbled
tin hat slipped?
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January 30, 2012 10:42am
RightNow

Ah Griff. So which is it – is the world is headed for catastrophe if GHG emissions aren’t cut immediately or are you calling that the sky isn’t falling?
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January 30, 2012 10:46am
flipper

Other_ Andy ….

The Daily Mail article raises another question: If the UK Met Office’s latest “finding” is to be disregarded by the likes of Chrissie the Wussie, what of their previous “findings”?
When you are in a hole Chrissie the Wussie, stop digging!
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January 30, 2012 10:46am
Scott Chris

Spam says:- “The current predicted size still makes this the smallest sunspot cycle in over 80 years.”

Fine, I don’t dispute that. But in the overall scheme of things, that variation is inconsequential.

What is absolute bollocks however is the claim that the *next* cycle, ie cycle 25, will be like a Maunder Minimum. This is explained beautifully in the NASA article you posted: http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/predict.shtml

>>”Predicting the behavior of a sunspot cycle is fairly reliable *once the cycle is well underway*”

In other words, we know more or less what cycle 24 will be like. We have no idea what cycle 25 will be like.
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January 30, 2012 10:56am
Sofia

Police and medical staff who treated Serenity at Auckland’s Starship hospital, believed her injuries were consistent with shaken baby syndrome. …
Ellery was not Serenity’s biological father …

Friends of Ellery described him as “unpredictable” following Serenity’s death last year, while another said despite his “short fuse” she had not known him to be violent toward children.

They said Ellery led a transient life, moving around the Waikato as a child, attending Hauraki Plains College, and was eventually brought up by his Hamilton-based grandparents.

– http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/baby-serenity-murder-accused-in-court-4706482

Will this unfold to be another situation where the baby is harmed because at the time of injury it is an unwanted [not his own] nuisance in the relationship – soiled herself, yelling, whatever – and so the victim of incidental frustration then rage?
And how is that prevented?
Calling for national or Maori ‘ownership’ just a bloody waste of time and any effort should be better directed at finding a real cause? – perhaps a “transitory male syndrome”? if we have to label everything.
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January 30, 2012 10:58am
RightNow

How much do you need to earn to be among the top 1% of earners in the world?

$34,000 (US)

I’m picking that most Kiwibloggers are in the evil 1%. I wonder how much Penny “earns”
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January 30, 2012 11:04am
Other_Andy

@sophia

“transitory male syndrome”?

That is only a symptom.
It is the breakdown of the ‘traditional family’ (Or just the “family”) and todays ego-centric mentality aided by government policies such as the DPB.
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January 30, 2012 11:09am
cha

# Sofia

Scroll down to week 11 (11/4/97) The problem of infanticide

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/for_rev2_lec.htm
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January 30, 2012 11:12am
MT_Tinman

The wonderful thing is that when you talk to scientists one on one most will tell you that if the climate change is man made (most don’t appear convinced it is) it is too late to fix it anyway.
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January 30, 2012 11:13am
Steve

Happy Birthday Auckland
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January 30, 2012 11:26am
Griff

As I have aserwed the question
many times
you have arserwed my previuos question
can you read yes
can you comprehend no

You friend is a very busy scientist
Dr Nicola Scafetta
seems to have been to every denial seminar and given a personal presentation
also must have an impressive press secretary
on every dodgy rag to be found
I will wounder were the money comes from
all the books and papers he has published, mp3 downloads, you tube
superstar of science that guy
Seems he is adjutant assistant professor!

You are not involved in?
http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php

By any chance
be a good boy
“The Coalition is committed to ensuring that New Zealanders receive balanced scientific opinions that reflect the truth about climate change and the exaggerated claims that have been made about anthropogenic global warming.”
can you please explain this statement to me
seems to have crossed purpose
balance from a preconceived view
there is your cognitive dissonance for you
As to trolling the interweb for any little scrape to feed your preconceived view point

…………good on you
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January 30, 2012 11:27am
RightNow

Griff: you’re “some wot garbled” so here it is in a yes or no format for you:

Do you agree with the scientists who say the world is headed for catastrophic consequences if humans don’t drastically curtail their greenhouse gas emissions ASAP?
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January 30, 2012 11:35am
Sofia

Other_Andy – @ Sofia. It is the breakdown of the … ‘family’ and todays ego-centric mentality aided by government policies such as the DPB.

Yes, something like that : but possibly mainly ‘ego-centric mentality’

cha – # Sofia – Scroll down to week 11 (11/4/97) The problem of infanticide

No it’s simpler than any bullshit “that infanticide is one of several population regulation mechanisms designed to prevent hunter-gatherers from depleting environmental resources or degrading their environment”

It could just simply be that the male is keen on banging the mother – presumably a ‘good time’ – and her children are a demanding [physical and mental] addition he can’t be bothered with – ‘bad time’, which can explode into violence and a child is injured or killed.
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January 30, 2012 11:39am
Griff

I believe the reply was
Try to comprehend this time
we are ok jack
NZ
maritime climate 1st world status mountainous and all that

Some place will not be alright

Bangladesh
very low country
continental climate
third world
not a good prognoses

As to cutting admissions
no point unless every one else does
Try getting the USA china etc to

can you please try to refrain from putting words into my mouth
I find the habit distasteful
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January 30, 2012 11:57am
RightNow

Apologies for you thinking I was trying to put words in your mouth Griff, I was trying very hard not to misrepresent you, hence my repeating the question.

Anyway, at the risk of putting words into your mouth, what actions (such as cap and trade in the USA, Australia’s carbon tax or NZ’s ETS for example) do you think will be effective in cutting the world’s GHG emissions?
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January 30, 2012 12:03pm
Monique Watson

Yeah some of us are bludging 1%ers. At least until my underperforming property investment business comes good agan.

And about that silly tart Chelsea Scott who handed her child over for slaughter:

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/01/victoria-taylor-award-of-week-chelsea.html
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January 30, 2012 12:05pm
Spam

>>”Predicting the behavior of a sunspot cycle is fairly reliable *once the cycle is well underway*”

In other words, we know more or less what cycle 24 will be like. We have no idea what cycle 25 will be like.

…Which must make you realise how silly it was to post a graph of x-ray emissions from cycle 24 solar flares as rebuttal to predictions of future decreased sun activity, doesn’t it?
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January 30, 2012 12:27pm
Griff

The culture.
Even before this was an issue it was known that Maori raised there children in extended families.
Their culture was not true nomadic hunter gathers.
They maintained defensive positions.

The culture of war forced the hunter gathers to fixed bases.
A culture at war does not send out infants.
It sends out the fit Those in there teens and twenties.
breeders.

who leave the child rearing to the older aunties and granny

Hence family is not centered on farmer modules that defined Europe
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January 30, 2012 12:29pm
Spam

Bangladesh
very low country
continental climate
third world
not a good prognoses

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7532949.stm

New research shows Bangladesh may not be as vulnerable to rising sea levels caused by climate change as previously feared, scientists in Dhaka say.

They say satellite images show the country’s landmass is actually growing because of sediment dumped by rivers.
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January 30, 2012 1:09pm
Other_Andy

@Spam

And…
Flood in Bangladesh are nothing new
Floods in Bangladesh have been recorded since 1842.
80% of Bangladesh is flood plain and its position makes it prone to floods due to storm surges.
The reason why recent floods have been worse is that in 30 years the population Bangladesh has more than doubled.
More people now live in flood prone areas.
Add to that the deforestation along the Ganges Delta and you have a recipe for disaster.

The sea level has, over the last few hundred years (Long before antropoghenic CO2 came into play), risen by an average of around 2 mm a year. There has been NO significant accelaration since it began to rise around 1900 and there appears no link between CO2 levels and the rise of the sea levels. I some areas there has even been a slowing down of the sea level rise (See South Pacific Sea Level and Climate Monitoring Project).
Whatever Obama thinks, we cannot control the rise (or fall) of the oceans.
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January 30, 2012 1:20pm
Griff

Oh great
the land mass is growing you say
how again
sediment brought down by flood
nothing to do with weather
love a good flood on tv
Sodden peasant Aussie hanging in trees
Bit like when they have bush fires loverly sunsets then
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January 30, 2012 1:23pm
Other_Andy

“They say satellite images show the country’s landmass is actually growing because of sediment dumped by rivers.”

That is all the fertile topsoil, washed away by deforestation.
Bangladesh cannot support an estimated 158 to 170 million people!!!
It is the 11th-12th most densely populated country on Earth.
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January 30, 2012 1:26pm
Other_Andy

Children just aren’t going to know what sun is

A scientist from arguably Britain’s most discredited university department – the Climatic Research Unit at the UEA – made a fool of himself and his employer by feeding to a newspaper wrongheaded disaster scenarios (“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”) based on woefully inaccurate computer projections, thus lending spurious credibility to a massive media scaremongering campaign which has led to the squandering of billions of pounds on an entirely unnecessary scheme to “decarbonise” the UK economy. His reward for this has been to be granted a taxpayer-funded salary to go round the world spreading more abject nonsense about a mostly non-existent threat called “climate change.”

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100133247/children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-sun-is/
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January 30, 2012 1:42pm
Griff

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

loverly how the pacific acts like a heat sink

nice and slow the rise

Weather is the result of transfer of energy from one region to another
currents do the same for the ocean
if this energy difference changes the weather changes
Its called climate
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/trendmaps.cgi?map=sst&area=aus&season=0112&period=1970

love that graph
So you see
thats a science web site
full of information
loverly data sets
all checkable
No buy the snake oil
from the good old USA
Of course keep ya tin hat on at all times
And you might like to find a nice book on the local weather
just so can understand the ramifications
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January 30, 2012 2:10pm
Spam

Except they’re not ‘datasets’. They are adjusted datasets. And here is a graph of the adjustments:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ushcn/ts.ushcn_anom25_diffs_urb-raw_pg.gif

Gosh. They’ve ‘adjusted’ the temperatures up by 0.5°F since the 30s.

Nope. No snake oil. And James Hansen is a scientist, not a lobbyist.
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January 30, 2012 2:26pm
DJP6-25

immigrant 9:29am. Abolition of school zones. It would only cost whatever the necessary of parliiamentry time is worth. Add a clause requiring the nearest state school to take students who can get in nowhere else.

cheers

David Prosser
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January 30, 2012 2:44pm
Scott Chris

Spam says:- “Which must make you realise how silly it was to post a graph of x-ray emissions from cycle 24 solar flares as rebuttal to predictions of future decreased sun activity, doesn’t it?”

Nope. Until a couple of years ago a denier faction was claiming that the prolonged solar minimum period we were then experiencing was a precursor to another Maunder event. When that didn’t pan out they switched it to the 25th cycle.

I take your point that the link I posted relates to the 24th cycle, but the whole argument is interrelated and quite often better explained in simplistic terms.
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January 30, 2012 2:46pm
wat dabney

Scott Chris,

“Rubbish. The hottest 12-month period EVER recorded was from June 2009 to May 2010.”

Er, this doesn’t actually address the point which is that there has been no net warming for 15 years.

Perhaps in future when you are talking about global warming you could explain to us what warming you are referring to? At the moment you just look rather foolish when your constant shrill hyperbole is contrasted with the complete lack of any warming.

And, as Spam says, let’s not forget that the measured climate record has been thoroughly corrupted by the widespread application of a false warming trend. This is the practise that NIWA famously was unable to defend in court. They have deliberately corrupted the temperature history to introduce a fake warming pattern; adjustments which they were totally unable to justify or explain. Why these people retain their jobs and pensions is equally unclear. Note that, if anything, a negative trend should be applied, to counter the growing urban heat island effect.
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January 30, 2012 3:26pm
Spam

Nope. Until a couple of years ago a denier faction was claiming that the prolonged solar minimum period we were then experiencing was a precursor to another Maunder event. When that didn’t pan out they switched it to the 25th cycle.

I take your point that the link I posted relates to the 24th cycle, but the whole argument is interrelated and quite often better explained in simplistic terms.

So the standard of debate that you are quite happy with is to insult people when they post something that you disagree with, despite it being not only his opinion, but froma reliable news site, citing experts in the field. And yet the standard that you hold your rebuttal evidence to is that its Ok to simply post something that is your own opinion, without any substantiation as long as its ‘interrelated’?
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January 30, 2012 3:34pm
Manolo

Set the clock back seven hundred years, please. Today’s Africa for you: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8410797/senegal-president-can-run-again

At the core of the dispute is the issue of how many terms the constitution allows. When the 85-year-old Wade was elected in 2000, the constitution had no term limits. He had it changed in 2001 to impose a two-term maximum.
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January 30, 2012 3:36pm
wat dabney

“Two Harvard researchers looked at the factors that actually improve student achievement and those that don’t..’We find that traditionally collected input measures — class size, per pupil expenditure, the fraction of teachers with no certification, and the fraction of teachers with an advanced degree — are not correlated with school effectiveness.
In stark contrast, we show that an index of five policies suggested by over forty years of qualitative research — frequent teacher feedback, the use of data to guide instruction, high-dosage tutoring, increased instructional time, and high expectations — explains approximately 50 percent of the variation in school effectiveness.'”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/study-class-size-doesnt-matter/2012/01/28/gIQAaiZAYQ_blog.html
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January 30, 2012 3:43pm
Scott Chris

Spam says:- “So the standard of debate that you are quite happy with is to insult people”

1) I didn’t insult anyone.
2) There is no substance to the unscientific and disreputable rubbish Andy posted.
3) I rebutted it using scientifically proven fact, not my opinion.
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wat dabney says:- “Er, this doesn’t actually address the point which is that there has been no net warming for 15 years.”

I was arguing in Andy’s terms. I was using one trendless spike to rebut another trendless spike (which happened 14 years ago, not 15)

This is a fuller answer:

1) The atmospheric GAT is *trending* up.
2) The earth’s surface’s total heat content (the more important figure) is steadily rising:

http://leisureguy.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/totalheatcontent_thumb.gif?w=469&h=359
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January 30, 2012 4:50pm
wat dabney

Scott Chris,

Some 15 years with zero net warming, declining ocean temperatures, and sound science predicting cooling over the coming decades.

“Four out of five ARGO data studies now show Ocean Heat Content declining”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/06/new-paper-on-argo-data-trenberths-ocean-heat-still-missing/

In other words, nothing at all like the lying, corrupt alarmists promised and predicted.

Yet still you go on regurgitating the same old alarmist trope. It’s really quite sad. The T-34’s are smashing through the Seelow Heights, almost at the gates of Berlin, but you loyalists cling desperately to the idea that the Fuhrer is about to unleash his “wonder weapons”, claiming that in fact it’s all part of his master plan.
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January 30, 2012 5:19pm
Griff

No matter how many times
your arguments are killed you still have more
all equally as invalid as the last
you will quite happily lie for you cause
twist and turn like a eel in a net
you dont care as long as your toxic slime is left

Seems to be a tin hat convention going on at times
The science is excepted by all major scientific bodies
some fucking conspiracy one thats hoodwinked the whole scientific world

we repeatedly track your bullshit to lobbyists in the good old USA
funded by Oil

you are either scum spin doctors
or sheep
I go for sheep
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January 30, 2012 5:23pm
nasska

A plumber who was the union delegate at the firm he worked for was sent to woman’s apartment in Auckland to repair a leaking pipe. When he arrived he was pleased to discover that the woman was quite beautiful. During the course of the afternoon the two became extremely “friendly.”

About 5:30 p.m. the phone rang, disturbing the bedroom shenanigans. “That was my husband,” she said, putting down the phone. “He’s on his way home, but is going back to the office around 8. Come back then and we can take up where we left off.”

The plumber looked at the woman in disbelief. “What? On my own time??”
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January 30, 2012 8:00pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6337399/Megaupload-users-may-lose-their-data

Deleting data before there has even been an extradition hearing let alone alone a trial seems just a bit harsh,, just saying
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January 30, 2012 8:20pm
Nookin

Paulestbay @8:20 p.m.

My thoughts entirely. Even more so when you consider that the information appears to indicate a bona fide commercial transaction (storage of family photos et cetera). FBI does seem to be somewhat vindictive.
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January 30, 2012 8:53pm
Nostalgia-NZ

The FBI look like they’ve seized property ‘evidence’ not material to their prosecution, that’s probably theft or conversion – certainly their reasons for withholding are of fundamental urgency and importance to the owners of the siezed goods.
It all looks like being able to be read as a tough guy message of compliance – and a betrayal of the flawed case against megaupload.
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January 30, 2012 9:07pm
Manolo

Fear-mongering from the warmists: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8411154/climate-driven-heat-peaks-may-shrink-wheat
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January 31, 2012 4:38am
Manolo

Before and after: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/30/as-debt-ceiling-skyrockets-obama-no-longer-calling-bush-increases-unpatriotic/
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January 31, 2012 8:39am
RRM

Sergeant Bigwood is keeping an eye on nude bathing on the Kapiti Coast.

(I’m not making this up: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6338027/Peka-Peka-edgy-as-full-moon-nears )
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January 31, 2012 9:22am
MT_Tinman

Sgt. Bigwood is obviously upset it is only males that have been complained about.
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January 31, 2012 9:56am
Spam

The science is excepted by all major scientific bodies

If only….
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January 31, 2012 1:00pm
Spam

Spam says:- “So the standard of debate that you are quite happy with is to insult people”

1) I didn’t insult anyone.

“Next you’ll be telling us that the sun revolves around the earth. Echos of Galileo verses Pope Urban VIII.”

Seems rather insulting to me.

2) There is no substance to the unscientific and disreputable rubbish Andy posted.
3) I rebutted it using scientifically proven fact, not my opinion.

Bollocks you did. Where?
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