General Debate 27 January 2012

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Fletch

First! That doesn’t happen very often
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January 27, 2012 1:49pm
hmmokrightitis

You call this 0800??? Dear god, I had to work!!!
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January 27, 2012 1:49pm
Pete George

Newt Gingrich got confused between his science advisor and his physician: “moon me and I’ll give you a colonscopy”.

Gingrich offered his vision of an ambitious new space program. “By the end of my second term,” Gingrich said, “we will have the first permanent base on the moon and it will be American.” The crowd erupted in applause.

And he was just getting started; by 2020, he said, there would be regular flights to Mars.

“I am sick of being told we have to be timid and I’m sick of being told we have to be limited to technologies that are 50 years old,” Gingrich said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/newt-gingrich-promises-moon-base-flights-mars-reality/story?id=15449425#.TyH2FMgz6Ck

He continued: “I know about space. I can see the moon from my house.”

GOP primaries have become a lunatic race.
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January 27, 2012 1:59pm
Griff

“health and safety bosses want to introduce a complete ban on working from ladders on building sites across New Zealand.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10781523

Nannys
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January 27, 2012 2:09pm
cha

~~Nannys~~ Insurance companies

tfify
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January 27, 2012 2:16pm
Weihana

Pete,

I don’t agree with the specifics of what Newt said but the sentiment is right.

“…a return to the moon just wasn’t financially practical — without an extra $3 billion a year, NASA just wouldn’t have the money to make it work. “

Three billion? THREE? In a budget of several trillion they can’t find THREE billion to spend on something as important as space exploration?
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January 27, 2012 2:21pm
RightNow

hmmokrightitis (283) Says:

“You call this 0800??? Dear god, I had to work!!!”

Aside from that being quite funny, the 0800 bit reminded me of driving behind a van yesterday – it was a Drain Doctor van… phone 0800 LOG JAM

Right up there with Novus
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January 27, 2012 2:21pm
RightNow

but Weihana – three billion dollars would finance the complete life-cycle of over half a dozen solar energy start-ups. Or fund 128 green jobs for a year. You have to keep these things in perspective.
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January 27, 2012 2:23pm
Pete George

But Gingrich is talking about a moon colony – they couldn’t maintain a few people floating around just up above us a bit, and estimates are that cost up to $100b (just the US share).

Interesting? Yes. Compelling case?
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January 27, 2012 2:36pm
Yvette

Mr Peters called on Mr Key to withdraw the [police] complaint. “Going to the police about this tape was a pathetic political stunt aimed at shutting down discussion of an election blooper and Mr Key should be ashamed of himself.”

In respect to this comment I invite people to again hear Winston Peters’ Morning Report Novemebr 14 comment on this issue at Whaleoil :
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2011/11/winston-on-the-tea-tapes/

Winston – a man of great integrity, honesty, legal acumen and consistency.
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January 27, 2012 2:40pm
RightNow

Yvette – yes, he clearly says “That sort of behaviour is illegal, that’s News of the World stuff”

And now he’s threatening Key with harassment in the house if Key doesn’t drop the complaint? Well, who in their right mind believes Winston wouldn’t harass Key in the house anyway?
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January 27, 2012 2:48pm
Fletch

I wonder – if we get this moon colony thing going whether we couldn’t establish a penal colony up there – send all the criminals and jailbirds off-planet. Like a modern day Australia 😀

Prisons are getting too crowded down here on Earth.
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January 27, 2012 2:52pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9042319/US-Election-2012-Newt-Gingrich-promises-American-colony-on-the-Mo

He even proposed that that when the colony’s population reached 13,000 it could apply to become the fifty-first state of the union. on.html

Talk of the 51st state was enough for me to write the loon off totally, god, surely the Repblicans can do better than this dick
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January 27, 2012 2:52pm
cha

Oh dear.

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/food-containing-fetuses-targeted-under-new-oklaho/nG7P7/
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January 27, 2012 2:56pm
RightNow

“surely the Repblicans can do better than this dick”

Like many others I find all of the Republican candidates uninspiring.

To be honest, I don’t think any US President (R or D) in my life time has been what I’d call inspiring. And I don’t believe there’s any major difference between a Democrat or a Republican being in the White House. It’s all pay for play either way.
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January 27, 2012 3:05pm
Weihana

Pete,

100 billion was the overall estimated cost. Also I’m not sure what you mean by saying they couldn’t maintain the station. The station is up there and will probably be there until the 20s. They retired the space shuttle because it’s old and the station is complete.

Newt’s timeframe may be off, but the general idea is right. Space exploration is about big ideas. It’s not about making an identifiable financial return in a few years. It’s about making steps towards colonizing space and that can only happen if we start taking the steps to do it.

1 trillion dollars was spent on an unnecessary war in Iraq. Imagine the progress in space that could’ve been achieved if that money was given to NASA
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January 27, 2012 3:08pm
cha

A giant image, 8,000 x 8,000 pixels, of North America from NASA.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/sets/72157627439487497/show/
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January 27, 2012 3:13pm
RightNow

There’s more money in pandering to ignorance than explaining it away.

10 common misconceptions debunked (and you won’t like the explanation for the last one)
http://www.collegehumor.com/embed/6698764/10-common-misconceptions-debunked
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January 27, 2012 3:21pm
cha

More ~~misco….~~ myths…

http://www.propublica.org/article/economic-myths-we-separate-fact-from-fiction
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January 27, 2012 3:30pm
publicwatchdog

Following is a High Court precedent by J. Wild, Wellington High Court, in which he ruled that you cannot be arrested for a ‘breach of the peace’ unless there IS a ‘breach of the peace’, and that it is lawful to resist an unlawful arrest:

(Full credit to Civil Liberties lawyer Michael Bott for his great work in defending this case.)

This precedent arose from the peaceful protest camp on the grounds of Parliament – against the lefting of the GE Free Moratorium in 2003.

A person cannot be arrested for a breach of the peace unless there is a breach of the peace.

A breach of the peace is a violent or unlawful act which causes members of the public to feel alarm or excitement.

Sitting inside a zipped up tent – is NOT a ‘breach of the peace’.

In this case, the Judge ruled that the ones who breached the peace were the Police, in their actions of hauling protestors (including myself:) out of the tent.

J. Wild also ruled that it was lawful to resist an unlawful arrest.

This is the identical ‘on point’ case, covering this matter.

CASE NAME: Bright & Anor v Police

FILE NUMBER : CRI – 2005 – 485- 000015, CRI – 2005 – 485- 000016

JUDGE: Wild J

JUDGMENT DATE: 5 April 2005

Yesterday, Thursday 26 January 2012, I wasn’t even arrested.
I was assaulted, forcibly removed from my tent, and in the process my tent was ripped apart.

It wasn’t until after I was dragged by Police to the paddy wagon that I was told that I was charged with ‘breach of the peace’.

http://snpa.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Auckland-Occupy-Protesters-evicted-from-Aotea-Square/G0000c68Dh5eYlH4/I0000YLuKkHC9bOg

http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Hysterical-scenes-during-arrest-of-Occupy-protestor-Penny-Bright/tabid/309/articleID/240742/Default.aspx

http://www.3news.co.nz/Occupy-Auckland-protesters-refuse-to-give-in/tabid/370/articleID/240836/Default.aspx

Cheers!

Penny Bright
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January 27, 2012 4:47pm
bereal

Of course it has been obvious to all that standards in journalism have been dropping like a stone
in New Zealand recently.

Leading the downward charge have been Herald on Sunday and TV3
They have now been found out and exposed for all to see.

Now we can all listen to the Teapot tapes, how can the editor of the Herald on Sunday have
any creditability or integrity at all after he had listenened to that tape and published
headlines just prior to the election saying that the contents of the tape would be a “gamebreaker’ if he published them.
He knew that was dishonest but still printed his dishonest story.

The editor of the Herald on Sunday did his subscribers and readers a gross disservice and disrespect
with that statement.

If Bryce, whatever his name is, (the editor) had any thing about him at all we will see his apology
to the readers of the Herald on Sunday and the people of New Zealand in next Sundays edition.

Otherwise, can the Herald on Sunday point to the portion they gushingly refer to as the ‘gamebreaker’
part of the recording.

What a fuken rag of the lowest order. The Herald on Sunday. No respect for its readers at all.

What a POS “Bryce” the editor of the HOS who is single handedly ruining what was a newspaper that
had some integrirty at least before he took over.
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January 27, 2012 4:50pm
publicwatchdog

ALL YOU KIWIBLOGGERS WHO BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY, AND AGREE THAT THE DRACONIAN ‘OPERATION OVERKILL’ OF 60 POLICE AND 30 SECURITY GUARDS TO SAVE THE (GROWING) GRASS AT AOTEA SQUARE BY FORCIBLY REMOVING PEACEFUL OCCUPY AUCKLAND PROTESTORS WAS WAY OVER THE TOP – SEE YOU ON THE RALLY/MARCH TOMORROW 3PM OUTSIDE BRITOMART?

“GPJA #410: Occupy Auckland – stand up for democracy Sat 3pm

by gpjanz

GLOBAL PEACE AND JUSTICE AUCKLAND NEWSLETTER No. 410, January 27, 2012

FROM OCCUPY AUCKLAND PROTEST SATURDAY, 3PM
Defend the Right to Protest in Auckland- stand up for democracy and civil liberties. Rally at Britomart this Saturday Jan 28th at 3pm – forward widely. Occupy Auckland Thursday: 22 people arrested, with 8 people charged with willful trespass. 2 people still held, and 1 person to be deported. Most tents and communal gear seized and confiscated by Auckland Council.”
____________________________________________________________________________

What happened on Thursday 16 January 2012, in my opinion, as a directly-affected party – was a bloody disgrace.

In my considered opinion, itthe forced removal of Occupy Auckland protestors from Aotea Square was a form of corrupt abuse of entrusted power by Auckland Council and the Police.

60 Police and 30 security guards to remove peaceful protestors – so that Aotea Square could be returned to the public?

So why is Aotea Square now completely enclosed by a security fence?

Never mind ‘restoring the grass’ – (which seems to be growing ok) – how about RESTORING DEMOCRACY?

Oh yes – that’s right.

This Auckland Council – this $UPERCITY for the 1% – this corporate takeover – was forced upon citizens and ratepayers of the Auckland region – through railroaded legislation.

The public never voted for the abolition of our Councils, the $UPERCITY framework, the CCO model, or the unelected boards of CCOs (Corporate Controlled Organisations) – or the unelected Auckland Council CEO – Doug McKay – who was the ‘overseer’ of this ‘Operation Overkill’ to save the grass (?)

In my opinion, this forced eviction is evidence of the effectiveness of Occupy Auckland and the traction we have been getting in helping to expose the white collar crime, corruption and corporate welfare of the ’1%’.

Check out http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz, http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz , http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz for evidence thereof. .

(History has a habit of proving who was right and who was wrong.)

If YOU believe in our lawful rights to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly – I hope to see you tomorrow – 3pm – rally at Britomart for a march to Aotea Square!

If you can’t be there – but support the cause – feel free to help out by making a donation.

Occupy Auckland: Kiwibank OCCUPY AUCKLAND 38-9012-0161785-00

Thanks!

Penny Bright
waterpressure@gmail.com
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January 27, 2012 4:53pm
Elaycee

Penny: As you have time on your hands, have you been attending any courses on how to read / understand the contents of an Annual Report? Or are you still spouting crap about the remuneration levels of the POAL Directors?

EPIC FAIL! Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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January 27, 2012 4:56pm
RightNow

Well Penny, sounds like you’ve got grounds for a defence. Good luck with that.

My personal opinion is that Occupy Auckland overstepped boundaries that were actually very favourable to you (and unfavourable to other members of the public who wished to use that public space). I’m guessing that the remaining group had formed bonds that led you to feel you were experiencing something special, possibly the last few weeks have been the best time of your lives. Of course you didn’t want to go, you wanted to stay with your new best friends in your rent-free tent city and sit around revelling in your common bonds of oppression (whether real or imagined).

The rest of us prefer taking showers, paying our own way, going to our jobs and building futures for our children. Each to their own though.

PS – I don’t support your ‘rights’ to squat at the expense of ratepayers. I won’t be donating, and I won’t be marching. I might donate some eggs if you march past me though.
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January 27, 2012 4:56pm
Pauleastbay

I like the growing grass at Aotea Square its for all Auckalnders, not to be ruined by mad wasters who have contributed nothing to the deveopement of this site.

You are offensive in your presumption that you speak for many, you are an attention seeking narcissist who offers fuck all to society.(nothing actually). One would presume the rumours that others in your band find you a goose of the first order are true

You aren’t even hardcore enough to have committed some offence that would have seen you appear in Court, so you are full of shit abIt of screaming and wanking on on TV, like I said ,attention whore.

I would hope that as a,I presume self appointed orgainiser, the ACC takes civil redress and names you as one responsible.
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January 27, 2012 5:09pm
Fletch

I think the protesters should be tossed out of the Square until they stay out.
If not, throw em in jail.
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January 27, 2012 5:09pm
RightNow

Stop! Slammer Time!
http://gizmodo.com/5877987/the-best-worst-photos-of-megaupload-kim-dotcom
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January 27, 2012 5:11pm
hmmokrightitis

“I was assaulted, forcibly removed from my tent, and in the process my tent was ripped apart.”

I know, it was wonderful to watch 🙂

And I have to ask Penny, part of your campaign is against the sheer and utter evil that is capitalism. And yet the movement has a bank account… you don’t get irony do you?

Any chance of transparency on on what happens to those funds? I know it will not be for haircuts, but is it for new tents?
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January 27, 2012 5:48pm
Scott Chris

Israel Says Iran’s Threats Of Retaliation A Bluff:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/world/middleeast/israelis-see-irans-threats-of-retaliation-as-bluff.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=igw

Well duh.
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January 27, 2012 5:50pm
reid

Obama didn’t turn up for his Georgia hearing today, meaning he could be struck from the Ballot in Georgia if the judge rules against him and it looks like the judge probably will.

Gee, I wonder what that’s going to do to his presidential chances.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/georgia-eligibility-judge-will-rule-against-obama/

http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/obama-challenge-hearing-gavel-to-gavel-live-video-stream-coverage-from-atlanta-ga/
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January 27, 2012 6:09pm
Elaycee

“Check out:stopthesupercity.org.nz, pennybright4mayor.org.nz, pennybright4epsom.org.nz…. …(History has a habit of proving who was right and who was wrong.)”

Jesus wept, Penny. I know that comprehension is not your strong point, but do you actually read the crap you write, before you hit the “submit content” button?

stopthesupercity – that campaign was a failure. 🙁
pennybright4mayor – that didn’t work either – in fact, the campaign was laughable. 🙂
pennybright4epsom – Haha – your total vote in the election was similar to the number of invalid votes. 8)

So you’re right, Penny. History, does indeed have a habit of proving who was right and who was wrong. 😀
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January 27, 2012 6:11pm
Manolo

Miss Dim, I support your despicable parasitical activities.
Next time you cry in front of the Police, I’ll weep with you. Believe me.
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January 27, 2012 6:14pm
reid

Is empathy hard-wired into the human genome?

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/compassion-hard-wired-human-genome
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January 27, 2012 6:51pm
nasska

Ireland’s worst-ever air disaster occurred today when a small two-seater Cessna plane crashed into a cemetery early this morning in Central Dublin. Irish Search and Rescue workers have recovered 300 bodies so far, and expect that number to increase as digging continues into the afternoon.
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January 27, 2012 8:00pm
kowtow

oh begob an’ bejasus,dat’s so fucken funny,too ra fucken roo la roo,riverdance an all dat,ha fucken ha ha ha.

Worst ever was the Sikh terrorist bombing of an Air India 747 in 1985 killing all 329 on board. Crashed at sea.

Or as the above case was “incidentally” Oirish,if ye git me drift like you know,it was an Aer Lingus crash,also into the sea, in 1968 killing all 61 on board.

Jokes about Erebus anyone?
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January 27, 2012 9:01pm
Pauleastbay

kowtow

you sad humourless fuck
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January 27, 2012 9:06pm
Manolo

Lindsay Mitchell writes about DPB statistics: http://www.lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com/2012/01/work-testing-not-working.html
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January 27, 2012 9:08pm
kowtow

Eastbay,
Why don’t you fuck off yourself? Who asked you anyway?
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January 27, 2012 9:13pm
Pauleastbay

I didn’t tell you to fuck off, its was more,- ” you pathetic creature” was what I was aiming at
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January 27, 2012 9:16pm
Viking2

I did! So there go stuff yourself you humourless twat.
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January 27, 2012 9:17pm
mikenmild

Q. How do you sink an Irish submarine?
A. Knock on the hatch.

Q. How do you confuse an Irishman?
A. Give him three shovels and tell him to take his pick.

Etc, etc.
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January 27, 2012 9:19pm
kowtow

Milkymild ,it’s actually 2 shovels you stupid fucker.
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January 27, 2012 9:23pm
Viking2

wotwot. how do you know that?
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January 27, 2012 9:25pm
kowtow

Cos dat’s de way it’s always been,
An if someone has to explain an Oirish joke to ya,Viking den I imagin you’r as tik as I tink you are.
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January 27, 2012 9:33pm
Viking2

Given the ya irsh were impreganted with a greater intelleigence via the viking gene one wonders how fucking dumb you would be without it.
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January 27, 2012 9:39pm
kowtow

Akchully de fucken Vikings were confined to fortified towns on river estuaries and were never as successful in Ireland as they were in other places like England,so maybe deer wasn’t as much impregigatin’ as you think. And remember as the long boats came in the chief had to keep reminding the dumb bastards on board……..rape,pillage,burning…… in that order.

Their defeat at Clontarf at the hands of Brian Boru ended their ascendancy in Ireland in 1014 AD.

Betcha hadn’t heard o dat one before today? Be honest.
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January 27, 2012 9:52pm
nasska

Two Irish pilots flying an Aer Lingus jet on final approach at Cork Airport,

First pilot said: “Bejesus! Will you look at how short this runway is.”

Second pilot said: “Yes, but look how fucking wide it is!”
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January 27, 2012 9:55pm
mikenmild

Careful Nasska, remember that Aer Lingus crash from 1968 – you might offend someone.
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January 27, 2012 10:05pm
nasska

mikenmild

Thanks for pointing that out. Shit, I’d hate to cause offense. I’d really, really feel terrible about it.
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January 27, 2012 10:10pm
kowtow

How fucken’ sad and boring are you,nasska,trolling the internet for dumb fuck Irish jokes and then posting them here? That’s just not humorous,it’s sad.

milktities, you’re not much better.

Now how fucken funny is that?
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January 27, 2012 10:41pm
Manolo

Weak, very weak economic growth: http://www.businessinsider.com/2011-gdp-2012-1
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January 28, 2012 6:47am
Manolo

Another wave of European downgrades: http://www.businessinsider.com/fitch-goes-on-rampage-cuts-spain-italy-and-belgium-2012-1
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January 28, 2012 8:27am
Nookin

Kowtow must be eternally grateful he never encountered the likes of Spike Milligan or Dave Allen. He would have developed ulcers
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