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January 22, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 22 January 2012

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Viking2

bereal (1,185) Says:
January 22nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Why do you hate the police ?

As it happens I don’t, but I also don’t think that they should automatically run rough shod over anyone in their path and that is the tendency that has been happening for sometime. Short trip from there to police state.

They are after all paid by us the Taxpayer and should treat us with some respect. Too often they just see us all as crimnals waiting to be locked up.
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January 22, 2012 7:02pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Longknives 5.39

I didn’t extend my answer to ‘moral code,’ that’s your input. But if you think they’re indiscriminate child molesters you must have the proof?
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January 22, 2012 7:03pm
bereal

nasska
so i take it that in your opinion there is no place for female police officers ?
You should explain to most of the police forces where they have got it wrong
employing women.
It’s the badge and the office that needs to be respected and as soon as the word gets out to all
that if you disrespect it you will be pepper sprayed or tazered or shot, the better.

Or, is it your opinion that the police should always despatch an officer who is bigger and
stronger than the criminal they need to deal with ?
You see of course how ridiculous that suggestion is.
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January 22, 2012 7:11pm
bereal

Viking2 @ 7.02
“too often they see us all as criminals to be locked up.”

You just exposed your whole pathetic moronic act right there Viking2

In your sicko mind maybe, thankfully you are in a very small club with that attitude.
Your mates in the mongrel mob and black power no doubt have the same opinion.

When have you been treated with disrespect by the police ?
And if you ever have been you can put your ring around the fact that you asked for it.

I suggest you change your attitude.

Perhaps you could give us an example of a police force anywhere that you do respect.

Of course you hate the police, anyone who has read your pathetic posts today can see that.
Question is. Why ?
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January 22, 2012 7:25pm
Nostalgia-NZ

bereal 7.11

Police women offer a different approach, the more women police the better. But your examples are too extreme, you seem to think the resolution to everything is who brings the most violence. I don’t agree with that, I don’t believe that is what police women do.

As for ‘It’s the badge and the office that needs to be respected and as soon as the word gets out to all
that if you disrespect it you will be pepper sprayed or tazered or shot, the better.’ With an attitude like that I don’t think you’d be welcome in the modern police, in fact in recent years the effort has been made to weed that attitude out.
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January 22, 2012 7:31pm
nasska

bereal

Women are needed in the NZ Police but I still have reservations about their safety in extreme situations. Although I’m putting my head well over the parapet on this I hold similar doubts about women in combat roles in the armed forces. I would take some convincing that the badge & office are held in any sort of respect by some of the low life the cops have to deal with. You suggest force……too much & we’ll end up like the USA….. too little & we’ll end up with anarchy such as the situation in much of Britain.

In short, I still believe that policing is a physical occupation. The girls can do anything idea holds good for motor mechanics or truck driving but a car park brawl is not the place for semantics.
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January 22, 2012 7:38pm
Other_Andy

nasska at 7:38 pm

As usual, you make a lot of sense nasska.
Common sense……..
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January 22, 2012 7:56pm
calendar girl

V2@6.07 – “We don’t know that he was armed at the time of the shooting with a spade and even if he was we don’t know that he would have used it if the policeman had moved back.”

But the article you yourself cited read at that time, quoting a neighbour witness: “Smith then came out of his house armed with a spade and tried to attack police, who retaliated with Tasers and pepper spray, she said.”

Once again, it appears to be you who is “Short on comprhension (sic) skills”.

V2@6.07 – “Where did it say poice (sic) aimed at the legs?”

Must have been a rash assumption that I made when I learned that – from a close-up distance – the police shot the person in both legs. But in trying to justify your misleading “not a reason to kill” comment, you want us to believe that the police were just bad shots. You’re not serious, surely.

V2@6.07 – “and given the track record to date of the Police authiority (sic) investgations (sic) they will clear everything as they always do.”

If (as I assume) you are referring to the Independent Police Conduct Authority, that is an appalling, possibly libelous, comment to make.

V2@7.02 – “Why do you hate the police? As it happens I don’t ….”

Sadly, I can’t believe you on that. Most of what you say on the subject points in the opposite direction. But I now accept that I can’t change things in your closed mind, so I will leave you to deal with your own prejudices.

I give the police my complete support on this incident unless / until it is proved that they have done something outside of the law and/or their operational instructions. In the meantime, I agree with bereal’s sentiment: “Congratulations New Zealand Police. Job well done. Thankyou.”
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January 22, 2012 7:56pm
Steve

This one has to be a dumarse white trash boy surely:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10780356&ref=rss
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January 22, 2012 8:07pm
Nostalgia-NZ

calander girl 7.56

‘Must have been a rash assumption that I made when I learned that – from a close-up distance – the police shot the person in both legs. But in trying to justify your misleading “not a reason to kill” comment, you want us to believe that the police were just bad shots. You’re not serious, surely.’

Maybe there has been a change, but I recall the frequent argument that police fire at the largest body mass – the chest. This was an argument in the incident where a young man was killed by police after breaking windows.
I didn’t know until today that the tazers had cameras operating, that an innovative move to protect both the public and the police.
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January 22, 2012 8:07pm
Viking2

Calender girl. what ever goes on in your tiny mind. Seems to be you make lots of rash assumptions, a bit like bereal. You two should get married. you are made for one another.

bereal, you have been handed your arse before. If you bother to note what I had to say about the Organised Crime outfit yesterday then you would have noted that I made it clear I considered that there job was dealing with those particular organisations which is what the Taxpayer expects and not running an FBI civil complaint. But I suppose you think that they are right with that too. Dumb as dumb can be. go away until you are grown up enough to converse with adults.
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January 22, 2012 8:07pm
nasska

A man was being interviewed for a job.

“Were you in the service?” asked the interviewer. “Yes, I was a marine”, responded the applicant

“Did you see any active duty?”

“I was in Afghanistan for 2 years and I have a partial disability.”

“May I ask what happened?”

“Well, I had a grenade go off between my legs, I lost both testicles.”

“You’re hired. You can start Monday at 10:00 AM.”

“When does everyone else start? I don’t want any preferential treatment because of my disability.

“Everyone else starts at 7 am but I might as well be honest with you. Nothing gets done between 7 and 10. We just sit around scratching our balls trying to decide what to do first.”
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January 22, 2012 8:10pm
Viking2

Nostalgia-nz. Add to that Stephen Anderson in Christchurch a couple of years back and he was the second person shot by that particular officer while totally unarmed.
There are one or two others as well including the innocent young man killed by the inept and disorganised behavoir of the Auckland AOS just last year. And that was what the police Authority had to say about the job.
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January 22, 2012 8:12pm
Viking2

anyway my original point was that the report said the policeman was forced to shoot Mr Smith.
My point was that he was not forced to but chose to. i.e. no body stood over him and forced him to shoot.
Like everything we do we make choices. Time will tell if it was the right choice.
I have no idea but in my view shooting is rarely justified.
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January 22, 2012 8:40pm
TimG_Oz

Hey Reid .. there’s been a few books I mentioned. I sent you one about the Mossad. Is that the one you meant?
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January 22, 2012 8:46pm
hmmokrightitis

GO Hori: Have a few girly copper mates, ride MTB’s with them mostly. All great chicks, every one of them. The smallest one had something similar to this happen to her, lifted up off the ground by a perp who thought she looked the easiest mark. Wrong answer. He has probably still got the toe cap imprint on his nuts. Dropped him with one kick.

One of my nephews is in blue, out West Auckland. Lots of the freshers go on to do martial arts or defensive training of some sort. My nephew chose Thai Kick Boxing. But then he’s 6’6″ 🙂
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January 22, 2012 8:49pm
Steve

Viking2,

Nobody shoots at me, why is that? Nobody tazers me, nobody handcuffs me
Nobody hits me, or arrests me, nobody.
Am I doing something wrong to not get all of this attention?
You are a suckholer V2, you are part of the problem with these iceholes who rely on soft cocks like you to use the ‘System’

The Police are very bad shooters and they cost TAXPAYERS heaps of money. A $2 bullet between the eyes and a $2K creamation is better than a 40 year artificial legs maintainence.
I am sick of paying for scum
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January 22, 2012 9:03pm
Monique Watson

I don’t give a fuck if that daft cunt Smith was armed with a smurf or something more lethal.
If the Police were sure he was a pissed up threat to society then they did well to shoot. Another half a day of drinking could have led to another Jan Molenaar type stake out and innocent victims losing their lives.
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January 22, 2012 9:10pm
Viking2

Thank God the world is not run by poeople like you then Steve. That’s why its almost civilized.
Resorting to calling me names doesn’t win your argument mearly shows how small your brain ability is. I’m not a softy on crime, never have been and you cannot justify the unwarranted shooting of a person momentarily out of control.

Nobody shoots at me, why is that? Nobody tazers me, nobody handcuffs me
Nobody hits me, or arrests me, nobody.
You just never know when you go awol.

Watson have you ever pulled trigger? against anything? Thought not. You are just another big mouth. just like Steve.

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January 22, 2012 10:05pm
Viking2

Mega upload and what it could mean for you if you have been there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tD1yaE0GfQ&feature=g-trend&context=G20ae8ebYTAAAAAAAFAA
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January 22, 2012 10:29pm
bereal

Suckholer.

What a great word. What a great description. Spot on the money.

Isn’t it funny how a suckholer complains about people calling him names and then goes on to call others names.

What a suckholer.
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