General Debate 15 January 2012

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Yvette

Michael Laws [stuff / opinion] on the Taurani attack –

… His mother, by the way, this past week told media he is “just a suspect”, despite his indication of a guilty plea. Yep, that’s why he’s been remanded in custody since apprehension.
But at least he has district court judge Jocelyn Munro on side. According to press reports, she complimented him on his appearance in court. And she let his mother read a self-absorbed prayer that the boy had written asking God to make him “a man without hate, anger and stress”.
Nothing about his alleged victim and asking the Almighty to make her whole again. Or even, better.
Quite why Judge Munro felt compelled to offer a licence that no Pakeha defendant would likely receive, was not explained.

Like giving the Kahuis a week to ‘mourn’ before questioning anyone?
The Taupo judge must have been aware of the media interest, so why the questionable aside?
As “… his youth advocate and lawyer Katherine Ewen indicated to Judge Munro the boy would not defend charges of rape, burglary and grievous bodily harm via sexual violation …” why did she not just remand him without expressing her own opinions?
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January 15, 2012 8:04am
Viking2

Family get their stolen Christmas presents back
By Joanne Carroll
5:30 AM Sunday Jan 15, 2012

Burglars caught in the act by a CCTV camera in Karaka. Photo / Supplied

Remember the pic of this scumbag being posted by I think IV2

South Aucklander no less. One of Lens mob.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10778819
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January 15, 2012 8:09am
Viking2

Yvette, cause its all about self importance, ego and publicity.

Here’s what the girls family had to say.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10778835

One wonders about therse highly paid people. Does God remove their brains when they reach the higher altitudses of a pedestall. God does that to teenagers but they get them back at 23. How do we explain these stupid highly paid supposedly protectors of the public justive system.
baaaah too much playing with themselves. me thinks.
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January 15, 2012 8:14am
Viking2

Kinda like this longterm piece of scum.

Family missing $23k after building project quashed
By Celeste Gorrell Anstiss
5:30 AM Sunday Jan 15, 2012

A young Auckland family are the latest to be left out of pocket by a man who has a history of criminal and dishonest offending dating back 30 years.

You can read the history of this ( including his sexual proclivities) here:http://www.propertytalk.com/forum/showthread.php?30118-Sleepout-Buyers-Beware!
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January 15, 2012 8:16am
big bruv

Today is the mid point in our Summer. In other words, half of Summer has come and gone.

Anybody else feel ripped off?
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January 15, 2012 8:16am
Peter

Economic “literacy” of the Greens #459845945

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2012/01/14/cycling-to-southland-day-1-the-easy-part/

Now, why might a plane be cheaper than a train? Could it have something to do with economies of scale, perhaps? No! In greenist land it has something to do with subsidies.

Subsidies for rail not mentioned, of course.
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January 15, 2012 8:27am
Nookin

Bruv, despite the fact that we have got snow on the hill-tops and it rained all night, it has been a wonderful summer. Long hot days and no wind. You just live in the wrong place.
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January 15, 2012 8:31am
Michael

Viking2 – Whoever is the lawyer for that family should be fired. The first advice they should’ve given is to shut up until the case is concluded at the District Court. If the court rules it was the property owners duty to obtain the permits (which it normally is, they may subcontract this to the architect/builder) then they will leave themselves open to a defamation claim.
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January 15, 2012 8:32am
Viking2

Micheal, read the thread at Property Blog.
Interesting read. You may be correct but there is no doubt this guy is scum.
Why should he not be expossed?

I have no interest in this other than I happened to read the complete thread a few weeks back.
I would also add that defamation usually requires something said to be untrue. Not so in this case.
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January 15, 2012 8:38am
Pauleastbay

big bruv (9,792) Says:
January 15th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Today is the mid point in our Summer. In other words, half of Summer has come and gone

Remember 5 – 6 years ago we had a crappy Xmas like this and there was much gnashing of teeth and ‘dear leader’ weighed into the debate and said she would look and moving the Xmas holidays so people could have good weather – no meglomania in the labour party.
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January 15, 2012 8:53am
hj

This sounds interesting [from yesterdays General Debate]

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2012/LENRGoldRushBegins-atNASA.shtml

Example: Aircraft

The impact LENR would have on commercial, military, and

civilian/personal aircraft

Essentially no change in mass from takeoff to landing (1% LENR

efficiency would allow 2Kg H2 to fuel a 747 on 9800km flight)

No harmful emissions

Increased safety

• Non-flammable

• Excess power (High thrust/weight)

Increased performance
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January 15, 2012 8:54am
Manolo

South Aucklander no less. One of Lens mob.

But a very good girl, according to her whanau.
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January 15, 2012 9:22am
Viking2

Yeh right.
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January 15, 2012 9:25am
Megatron

This in the SST/stuff “NZ ‘likely Texas of the south’ ” but not if that fat cunt papakura hormonal has his way. Go look at Perth WA, and see what the extraction industry has done for them. But no, we will sit around have endless huis and go nowhere. This obviously the better breeding ground for low life scum that we see on a daily basis fighting, stealing and doing nasty shit to little kids. If they were open minded, they could benefit from…. Dare I say it employment rather than the DPB. Come on Key, get some balls and open up the east coast.
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January 15, 2012 9:29am
Manolo

Come on Key, get some balls and open up the east coast.

Hell will freeze over first.
Stop asking for the impossible: today’s Labour lite is inhabited by timids and cowards, spineless yes-men.
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January 15, 2012 9:31am
Scott Chris

hj says:- “This sounds interesting”

Bloody hell. This is interesting. The holy grail of energy, cold fusion no less rebranded as LENR

And this is NASA talking, not some hick from the back blocks of Alabama.

Here’s the official NASA release:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zgmdo4C1VQ
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January 15, 2012 9:33am
hj

Texas of South link
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6258561/NZ-likely-Texas-of-the-south
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January 15, 2012 9:38am
Other_Andy

Is somebody going to call out Gareth Hughes?
Why do we have to suffer this fool?
This pretentious little ‘know-it-all’ is getting more offensive by the day.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/rena-crisis/6258692/Rena-anger-grows

They should send him up so he can see what the big boys are faced with.
If he can manage getting there without puking up or filling his pants, they probably dump him overboard as soon as he opens his mouth.
Which bunch of clowns decided that he is an expert on marine salvage?
Oh wait……
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January 15, 2012 10:18am
Sofia

Texas of the South

TAG Oil, which recently sparked controversy by expanding its operations in Taranaki, has told investors in North America the East Coast is “literally leaking oil and gas”.

Yes, must be true – you can even see the oil washing up on some of the beaches
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January 15, 2012 10:22am
pollywog

pollywog is no more…

…goodbye and good luck
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January 15, 2012 10:33am
Peter

Wasn’t Hughes the bunny who was criticising the “slow response” (within hours) in “getting the oil off” (takes weeks/months), as if oil is something that can be removed with the wave of a magic wand?
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January 15, 2012 10:36am
bhudson

I suspect he will be Black with a Vengeance in good time
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January 15, 2012 10:37am
Other_Andy

I suggest we send Gareth up there, he will sort it.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10778858

This must have something to do with the deregulation of coastal shipping and unseaworthy ships.
Our ‘marine salvage expert’ will probably start with shutting down oil exploration and drilling all over the Med as this is obviously linked with the accident.
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January 15, 2012 10:38am
Luc Hansen

Matt McCarten tells us the truth about the so-called ports “dispute.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10778767

This government – and now-ex-leftie Len Brown, as well – seem determined to turn us into a mini US. When you look at the state of that godforsaken, war-mad nation, the only thing left to say is an incredulous, “Why?”
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January 15, 2012 10:40am
Luc Hansen

Our ‘marine salvage expert’ will probably start with shutting down oil exploration and drilling all over the Med

Hope so.
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January 15, 2012 10:42am
pollywog

I suspect he will be Black with a Vengeance in good time

No…he will have morphed into something that is not afraid to hide his light behind a bushel anymore.
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January 15, 2012 10:42am
Other_Andy

@Peter

“…as if oil is something that can be removed with the wave of a magic wand?”

Oh, ye of little faith. The ‘Greens’, being the protectors of mother Gaia, have been granted untold powers to magically save the world. Removing oil is one of the lesser task, and they will do that just before they ‘stop the oceans from rising’ and cool the Earth.
Don’t despair, unicorn farts and fairy dust will take care of everything.
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January 15, 2012 10:47am
dime

bruv – this summer is bullshit.

lucky im off to vegas/LA in a few weeks.
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January 15, 2012 10:50am
Luc Hansen

An illuminating graph, especially for those who anoint Ronald Reagan as some kind of saint:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/14/things-were-supposed-to-be-quiet-about/#
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January 15, 2012 10:56am
Other_Andy

“Hope so.”

And on queue one of the clowns makes his entry.
Dressed in cloth made from natural and renewable resources he just parked his horse and cart in the shed after his trip to Lollipops and is now peddling to generate the power to operate his computer which is made from 100% ‘oil free’ and ‘mining free’ components.
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January 15, 2012 11:00am
Scott Chris

pollywog says:- “hide his light behind a bushel”

To hide your light under a bushel apparently means:

“To avoid letting people know that you are good at something, usually because you are shy”

I wouldn’t have characterized you a a shy person (formerly known as) pollywog…. mind you, when you’re out there on the big ocean and under the big sky, it certainly can provide a dose of perspective. Even better on acid.
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January 15, 2012 11:02am
dime

why do smug leftist dudes always have beards? creepy beards no less. just look at the shit head pictured on the link nutjoob luc posted.
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January 15, 2012 11:05am
noskire

Any readers attended a Landmark Education Forum workshop?
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January 15, 2012 11:06am
Viking2

dime (3,854) Says:
January 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am

why do smug leftist dudes always have beards? creepy beards no less. just look at the shit head pictured on the link nutjoob luc posted.

Old saying dime. Beware of men wearing beards for they not not whom they are
or alternatively. What are they hiding from?

and its about to snow in Vegas. Global Warming says it will repeat last year as the world warms. Ha
But I did land there on the only day it rained in 3 years.
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January 15, 2012 11:18am
Peter

Oh, ye of little faith. The ‘Greens’, being the protectors of mother Gaia, have been granted untold powers to magically save the world.

One of them will be nailed to a cross soon enough. Then we’ll never hear the end of it.
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January 15, 2012 11:24am
Brian Smaller

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6259145/Migrant-girls-at-risk-of-mutilation

The joys of multi-culturalism. A few years ago I read a piece by a women’s lobby group in Australia that said that seeing as FGM was a cultural practice and after all, who are we to critisize their culture, then the job of the state was to make sure that the operations were performed in safe and sanitary hospitals by real surgeons.
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January 15, 2012 11:25am
Brian Smaller

dime said

lucky im off to vegas/LA in a few weeks.

They had better get a few extra shifts of hookers ready then Dime. Have fun:)
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January 15, 2012 11:27am
Tauhei Notts

Dime,
Good luck in Vegas.
I presume you mean Las Vegas and not Rotovegas.
Leave the roulette alone. They have nought and a double nought segments which effectively increases the house odds by a silly sum.
Go the blackjack where the rules are much more punter friendly than the rules enforced here in N.Z. For example, the dealer must hit on soft 17 whereas in N.Z. he may stand. Hitting on soft 17 gives the punters a chance that the dealer will bust.
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January 15, 2012 11:35am
travellerev

While you lot are gagging for war with Iran here are some little known facts you might want to consider while the empire is gearing up for the great WWII finale:

For every male student in Iran there are two female ones. 70% of all Science and engineering students are female and Iranian female inventors top the global list. The numbers of students in general has risen from 100.000 in 1979 to 2 million in 2006.

Not bad for a women hating and supressing third world country eh?
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January 15, 2012 11:38am
Other_Andy

Brian Smaller

“The joys of multi-culturalism. A few years ago I read a piece by a women’s lobby group in Australia that said that seeing as FGM was a cultural practice and after all, who are we to critisize their culture, then the job of the state was to make sure that the operations were performed in safe and sanitary hospitals by real surgeons.”

There are calls for that in New Zealand as well from the left corner.

Rhema Vaithianathan has written a journal on “The Economics of Female Genital Cutting” which you can download here (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1019122).
In the article she argues that female genital cutting is a pre-marital investment associated with better marital outcomes. Which has got to be good for social and economic policy.

Rhema Vaithianathan is a Labour Party member who stood for, butlost, the Labour nomination for Mt Albert to David Shearer after Helen Clark left. She was on the Economic Policy Committee of the New Zealand Labour Party, (2009-2010).
She conducts ‘research’ for the Labour Party and has been a speaker at various Green Party and Labour meetings.
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January 15, 2012 11:45am
Luc Hansen

Scary headline, for some:

Iran is only months from bomb technology, says Britain

Here’s the full article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/10/politics.iran?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

Oh, wait, this is five years old.

Gosh, I guess the current fuss is just deja vu all over again.
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January 15, 2012 11:47am
adze

“While you lot are gagging for war with Iran here are some little known facts you might want to consider while the empire is gearing up for the great WWII finale:”

You mean the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? 😛

Is anyone here actually gagging for war against Iran?
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January 15, 2012 12:03pm
Manolo

trivialrev, I’m more than happy to pay a one-way airfare to export you to peaceful and tranquil Iran.
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January 15, 2012 12:04pm
Pauleastbay

From Whaleoil

Awesome revenge. A woman is selling her cheating partner’s secret fishing spots GPS data on Trademe

best auction on Trademe in years
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January 15, 2012 12:08pm
Other_Andy

Ahhh, The Doublethink Grundian……
The ‘paper’ that has the power of holding two contradictory beliefs simultaneously, and accepts both of them….
The paper that tells deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed.
The paper that denies the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies.
Quoting from the Grundian on serious matters makes sense….
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January 15, 2012 12:10pm
Manolo

Really? http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/14/us-iran-nuclear-killing-idUSTRE80D0DO20120114
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January 15, 2012 12:25pm
Other_Andy

@Manolo

“We have reliable documents and evidence that this terrorist act was planned, guided and supported by the CIA,” the Iranian foreign ministry said in a letter handed to the Swiss ambassador in Tehran, state TV reported.
The documents clearly show that this terrorist act was carried out with the direct involvement of CIA-linked agents.”

Yes, really!
Here is the document;

……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

Dear Mister Ahmadinejad,

We did it.
Nah, na na na nah.

Regards,

The CIA
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

Undisputable proof!
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January 15, 2012 1:10pm
Scott Chris

Other_Andy says:- “Aren’t we touchy today Scott….”

Nope. But if you’re going to be rude, I’m going to respond in kind. As for the hangover, I haven’t had one since I gave up alcohol.
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January 15, 2012 1:13pm
Scott Chris

Luc Hansen says:- “I guess the current fuss is just deja vu all over again.”

Yup.

I like this definition:

➡ “Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.”
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January 15, 2012 1:24pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10778779

“Ill wind blows hint of more supercity plans
By Deborah Coddington 5:30 AM Sunday Jan 15, 2012”

Remember folks, how the Auckland $UPERCITY was going to benefit residents and ratepayers through the purported ‘economies of scale’ that were to evolve through the (forced) abolition of the Auckland Regional Council, the Auckland, North Shore, Manukau and Waitakere City councils, and Franklin, Papakura and Rodney District Councils and replacement by the ‘$UPERCITY’ Auckland Council ?

So – how come rates went UP not DOWN in 2011 – the first year of this ‘corporate takeover’ of the Auckland region?

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/auckland-rates-increase-less-expected-mayor-ne-93719 (Friday May 20, 2011)

“Auckland Council rates will rise by 3.7%, much lower than originally proposed, mayor Len Brown announced this afternoon”

Some of us have for years, been ‘blowing the whistle’ till our eyeballs have bled (as it were) in trying to let the public know whose interests have really been served by this forced amalgamation (‘reorganisation’) of of the Auckland region, in which residents and ratepayers from Franklin to Rodney were denied our lawful right to a binding vote, to which we were supposed to be entitled (s.24 Local Government Act 2002, Schedule 3 s.49)

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM174270.html?search=ts_act_Local+Government+Act+2002_resel&p=1#DLM174270

Schedule 3
Reorganisation of local authorities

ss 5(1), 24(2), 25(3)–(4), 26(3), 27(2)
Part 1
Reorganisation proposals
Subpart 1—Initiation of reorganisation proposals
Polls

49 Polls must be held

(1) If a draft reorganisation scheme has been approved under clause 46, a poll of electors on the proposal that the reorganisation scheme proceed must be held in each district or region that is directly affected by the scheme.

(2) Despite subclause (1), no poll of electors must be held on a reorganisation scheme that deals solely with 1 or more of the matters listed in clause 40(2)(b), (c), or (d).

(3) Except as otherwise provided in this Part, a poll under this clause must be held under the Local Electoral Act 2001 and the provisions of that Act apply, with any necessary modifications, to the conduct of the poll.

(4) For the purposes of subclause (1), a district or region is directly affected by a reorganisation scheme if—

(a) the scheme provides for the abolition of that district or region; or
(b) the scheme provides for the union of the whole of that district or region with all or part of another or other districts or regions; or
(c) the scheme provides for the constitution of a new local authority whose district or region will include the whole of that district or region; or
(d) the scheme provides for the constitution of a new local authority whose district or region will include part of that district or region; or
(e) the scheme provides for the exclusion of an area from that district or region.
Compare: 1974 No 66 s 37ZZZE
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Of course the Local Government (Tamaki Makaurau) Reorganisation Act 2009, railroaded through Parliament by the 2008 National/ ACT Coalition Government, trampled over the above-mentioned democratic rights of Aucklanders to a binding VOTE on whether or not the majority of us wanted this ‘corporate controlled’ organisation – or not.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2009/0013/latest/DLM2044508.html

The John Key-led 2008 National Government effectively lied to the voting public and did NOT keep their 2008 election promise on the Auckland ‘Supercity’:

http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28830

” National will:

• Support the Royal Commission providing an opportunity for people within the Auckland region to express their views about the structures that will best achieve the goals set out above.

• Consult with Aucklanders once the findings of the commission are known.”

Yeah right.

For more information – I recommend you check out http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz

If YOU believe that the public majority should benefit from OUR public monies (rates and taxes) – not the corporate beneficiary minority – I strongly recommend you take all possible steps to STOP the Wellington (or any other) $UPERCITY!

Penny Bright
waterpressure@gmail.com
______________________________________________________________________________________________________
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January 15, 2012 1:35pm
Other_Andy

“But if you’re going to be rude, I’m going to respond in kind.”

Rude, never.
Straightforward, yes.

I said: “Are you one of those brainless twats that drive around with those “No drilling” bumper stickers?”

If you are not, you shouldn’t feel ‘attacked’. A ‘No’ would have sufficed.
If you are, then well, what would you call a person who uses petrol but doesn’t want us to drill for oil?
I think brainless twat is a lot nicer than dickhead.
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January 15, 2012 1:36pm
TimG_Oz

Not even the Palestinian Prime Minister wants a nuclear armed Iran

http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/61829/pa-shares-israels-nuclear-iran-fears

Mind you, he doesn’t speak for Hamas. He also wants a secular Palestinian state
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January 15, 2012 1:47pm
joana

Midnight Express 2 starring Sarah Fergusson
Fergie could get 22 years in a Turkish jail for secretly filming abandoned children in an orphanage.
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January 15, 2012 2:12pm
Pauleastbay

But you wouldn’t want to see her tits when you went to visit her would you?
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January 15, 2012 2:41pm
joana

Noskire…
I do of one woman who got involved with that landmark Education thing..I am no longer in touch with her..I heard about it ages ago and more recently. Both times that it is a cult and is to be avoided.
There is a NZ cult watch site but it does not cover everything..many NZers are gullible and naive and easily get involved in all these things..One thing most definitly to be avoided is the Soka Gakkai or Nichiren Shoshu Buddhism..Japanese..This is really well established in AK and Rotorua..etc..founded in NZ by the now deceased Yuki Johnston.
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January 15, 2012 3:33pm
Manolo

The NZ judiciary at its finest: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10778835&ref=rss
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January 15, 2012 3:43pm
nasska

Photos showing the damage to the Costa Concordia. Ref: http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/Cruise+ship+runs+aground+off+of+Italy/G3214

Given that the ship is about a stones throw from the island of Giglio which is presumably shown on marine charts I wonder if the skipper & officers went to the same navigational school as their counterparts on the ‘Rena’.
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January 15, 2012 3:50pm
Falafulu Fisi

Perhaps the technology described below may be one day applied to large scale structures as office buildings to reduce the effect of earthquake vibrations on them when it hits. The office building was just standing still when an earthquake hit as if there was no earthquake at all.

Invisibility cloak gives sound performance
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January 15, 2012 4:12pm
Elaycee

@Penny: I see you’re back!

Have you completed your ‘Accounting for Non Accountants’ course? You know – the course where you are taught how to read the financials in an Annual Report? Or will you just continue to spout crap about remuneration paid to directors of the POA?

And how can you possibly suggest that someone has “effectively lied” when you are guilty of the exact same thing?

Hypocrite: TICK.
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January 15, 2012 4:28pm
Sofia

More krap from Penny Bright –

Schedule 3 Reorganisation of local authorities
ss 5(1), 24(2), 25(3)–(4), 26(3), 27(2) Part 1 Reorganisation proposals Subpart 1—Initiation of reorganisation proposals Polls
… (e) the scheme provides for the exclusion of an area from that district or region. Compare: 1974 No 66 s 37ZZZE

but not a single piece of evidence that the Auckland City Councill is controlled by corporate enterprises as she claims – or, I think that is what she is claiming
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January 15, 2012 5:25pm
labours a joke

Another 2 month old maori baby admitted to Wanganui hospital with ” non accidental ” head injuries. Looking into it are we Pete , Tariana et al ?
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January 15, 2012 6:13pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/jan/13/reginald-hill

Reginald Hill dies — bugger, he says selfishly, no more Dalziel and Pascoe novels.
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January 15, 2012 6:21pm
Fletch

Oh, wait, this is five years old.

Gosh, I guess the current fuss is just deja vu all over again.

That was before Stuxnet slowed them down…
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January 15, 2012 6:27pm
Manolo

Here we go again: http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbcri/725271380-Another-baby-homicide
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January 15, 2012 6:46pm
Yvette

Another 2 month old maori baby admitted to Wanganui hospital with ” non accidental ” head injuries. Looking into it are we Pete , Tariana et al ?

Hey, you missed out the ‘h’ in Whanganui – a lot of money, effort and time, not to mention the input of iwi and city councilors, a mayor, public, academics and Government departments, Race Relations people and others went into that.
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January 15, 2012 7:15pm
reid

Further on the impending Iran war, this is an interesting article for two reasons.

The first few paras are a good reflection of Arab street thinking as IMO, they really think. Understanding this accurately is critical, whether or not you agree with it and whether or not you like it. Lord Denning the Master of Rolls (Head of UK Court of Appeal for 25 or so years) and a legal legend, when he was a defence Barrister, used to prepare first the prosecution’s case, then his own. Tsn Tzu: “Know your enemy. Hold your friends close and your enemies closer.”

From comments some make here sometimes on Iran or Palestine or whatever, it’s almost as if those people think that by understanding how they think one is thereby aiding the enemy, which is clearly a very unhelpful attitude even if its only held subconsciously, since if you have it even a little bit, how the hell are you ever going to sense the truth accurately and, unless one works in World Intelligence with Cosmic Clearances, who on Kiwiblog does anything other than sense anything, on this issue, as we dissect it.

The last paras are a reinforcement and expansion of my previous comments on Iran’s conventional missile forces and what they mean to the strategic equation and in the last para or two the author makes an interesting point: that given the conventional missile forces cannot be taken out by any first-strike scenario and such will therefore fall all over Israel, the first-strike has to be a de-capitation strike.

Now if you were a even a junior military planner of course this would have occurred to you but the question is, has it occurred to Iran, because the decapitation scenario is possible, and it would be interesting to look at any Russian and Chinese anti-missile batteries that have been installed in and around Tehran in the last few years.

http://www.roytov.com/articles/israeliattackoniran.htm
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January 15, 2012 7:20pm
tristanb

Blanket Man dies:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6260217/Wellingtons-Blanket-Man-Ben-Hana-dies
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January 15, 2012 7:21pm
Luc Hansen

Fletch

Stuxnet didn’t appear until 2010, so your implication is clearly falsified. It also seems to have been pretty ineffective.

Iran thus far is exercising a right clearly granted it under the NPT (a treaty that Israel refuses to sign up to) – that of mastering the nuclear cycle. There is not one shred of evidence that Iran intends to build a nuclear weapon anytime soon, but, given the hysterical bullying from the genocidal rulers of US and Israel, it seems entirely sensible to me to develop all the infrastructure needed to quickly, say within 6-12 months, go the whole way if it deems it necessary for self-defense.

I’m reminded of the comment by Ehud Barak that if he was born Palestinian, he would have turned to terrorism to counter Israel’s state terrorism. If the question now is if he were Iranian, what would he do, I suspect an honest reply would be to do precisely as I outlined above, or even more.
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January 15, 2012 7:28pm
dime

heh cheers. Dime doesnt gamble.

ill put like $4 a day through the slots. thats it.

i will frequent strip clubs & whore houses while there. hell, i may even get one delivered.

i will also drink myself into a coma most nights 🙂

the drive through to LA should be cool too.
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January 15, 2012 7:43pm
Elaycee

Sofia says of Penny: “….but not a single piece of evidence that the Auckland City Councill is controlled by corporate enterprises as she claims – or, I think that is what she is claiming…”

Yup – her posts are always long on words, usually full of CAPITALS but short on facts. 😀
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January 15, 2012 7:51pm
bhudson

reid,

I wouldn’t want to hint at any legitimacy for the ‘interesting’ article you link to, however it is impossible to make it past the first couple of paragraphs without questioning his oversight on ‘state sponsored terrorism.’ Would you deny that Iran has sponsored terrorist groups against Isreal? (It appears that he does – or has a memory lapse.)

He raises the capabilities of the Shahab-3 missile, but then misses what would seem to be a very logical concern to consider given its capabilities. A pre-emptive first strike might not be a viable option for Israel, but if Iran is able to develop nuclear weapons, it very well may be for them.
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January 15, 2012 7:53pm
Luc Hansen

I’ve heard some eloquent comments about Barak Obama lately:

a majestic disappointment (source forgotten, sorry)

deeply cynical…stupefyingly narcissitic (Norman Finkelstein)

And a nice serve from Hugo Chavez, talking to Obama by looking into the camera and directly addressing the POTUS, told him to go and talk to his own people and he would find out he has been “a great disappointment“.

Chavez was quite offended by some prissy criticism from Obama just as we was rolling out free deliveries of $US200 million worth of Venezuelan heating oil to 500,000 poor US households and stocking up the 245 shelters for the homeless, also funded by the Chavez government.

The main point is that these are all people who cheered his election and are his natural allies. But now there is deep and abiding view that he sold his soul to the white establishment purely for self-aggrandizement.

My view on Obama – Uncle Tom, potato.

US voters may as well vote in Romney and get a rich white man being a rich white man, instead of a black man with a skin-colour inferiority complex!
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January 15, 2012 8:03pm
nasska

reid

If we are going to accept (& I don’t) that Iran is merely a peace loving country that wants to worship their peace loving prophet without a thought of turning their ploughshares into swords why not take a quick moment to look at Israel’s position.

Israel sits as a democratic modern country of 8 million people determined to carve a nation out of the shithole that is the Middle East. Surrounding it are 360 million Muslims determined to drag the world back to the 15th century. These same primitives voice hatred for Israel at every opportunity & have already made numerous attempts to destroy that tiny nation.

If instead of living in Wellington you were resident in say Tel Aviv how would you react to the 24/7/365 threats against your right to even exist? Would you still dismiss so lightly the hyperbolic ravings of ‘dinner jacket’ & the mad mullahs & just ignore the hatred or would you take steps to defend yourself & your family?
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January 15, 2012 8:03pm
reid

From tristan’s http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6260217/Wellingtons-Blanket-Man-Ben-Hana-dies

Hana’s change from family man to homeless person was spurred, in part, by a series of personal disasters, including killing his friend while drink-driving. “[It’s] something I can’t talk about,” he told the Dominion Post in 2010.

In June 2010 Hana faced cannabis and drinking charges in Wellington District Court and was ordered to be admitted to Wellington Hospital’s psychiatric ward. When he returned to the streets he vowed to turn over a new leaf.

18 months later he was dead. Well. There seems something wrong with a system which is designed so that someone obviously specifically trying to waste himself to death over a period of many years because no doubt of many things but clearly unresolved guilt as well, cannot be detained and given required treatment no matter what their opinion about receiving that is. And they are released as soon as possible but carefully monitored in particular given the experts now understand this person’s thinking and IQ and level of cunning and they look in those nooks too. And if this monitoring reveals that if periodic bouts of re-detention and further treatment are required then so be it.

Obviously this is because of “human wights.” [Stamp]

Which is the kinder approach? “Human wights,” or mine?

Blanky Man was beloved IMO because he always always always preserved his dignity even while one stepped over him as he sunned himself in Cuba Street. You don’t get that often anywhere. He obviously got that dignity and confidence from somewhere in a previous life and he projected that everytime I saw him.

R.I.P. Ben. Thank you for teaching us all something about the human soul.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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January 15, 2012 8:09pm
Luc Hansen

Sorry, last sentence above should have read:

US voters may as well vote in Romney and get a rich white man being a rich white man, instead of a black man with a skin-colour inferiority complex acting as a rich white man!
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January 15, 2012 8:12pm
nasska

An Irish daughter had not been home for over 5 years.Upon her return, her father cussed her.
“Where have ye been all this time? Why did ye not write to us, not even a line? Why didn’t ye call?
Can ye not understand what ye put yer old mum thru??”
The girl, crying, replied, “Sniff, sniff….dad….I became a prostitute….”
“Ye what!!? Out of here, ye shameless harlot! Sinner! You’re a disgrace to this family.”
“OK, dad– as ye wish I just came back to give mum this luxurious fur coat, title deed to a
ten bedroom mansion plus a savings certificate for $5 million. For me little brother,
this gold Rolex and for ye daddy,the sparkling
new Mercedes limited edition convertible that’s parked outside plus a membership to the country club….(takes a breath)….
and an invitation for ye all to spend New Years Eve on board my new yacht in the Riviera, and….”
“Now what was it ye said ye had become?” says dad. Girl, crying again, “Sniff, sniff….a prostitute dad! Sniff, sniff.”
“Oh! Be Jesus! Ye scared me half to death, girl! I thought ye said a ‘Protestant’.? Come here and give yer old man a hug!”
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January 15, 2012 8:17pm
bhudson

reid,

Blanky Man was beloved IMO because he always always always preserved his dignity even while one stepped over him as he sunned himself in Cuba Street.

Beloved? Preserved his dignity?

So you are not at all aware of the fact that he would walk through Wellington naked under the blanket, flashing all and sundry for a bit of fun? Or that mothers with children have had the fortune of their kids seeing him masturbate under his blanket on the street? [That’s only anecdotal – can’t say I am aware he was ever convicted of that.]

Beloved? Preserved his dignity?…
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January 15, 2012 8:18pm
Fletch

I’m reminded of the comment by Ehud Barak that if he was born Palestinian, he would have turned to terrorism to counter Israel’s state terrorism.

Luc, I know it’s a waste of time to reply, but still…
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and the only place where the Arabs who live there (one million of them at the last count) have democratic rights and free speech.

Sorry, but “state terrorism” is complete B/S
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January 15, 2012 8:26pm
Luc Hansen

To nasska

If we are going to accept (& I don’t) that Iran is merely a peace loving country

Straw man. Surely it’s fair to look at the historical record, as reid suggests. Israel and the US are serial warmongers. Iran is not, according to the record.

Israel sits as a democratic modern country of 8 million people determined to carve a nation out of the shithole that is the Middle East.

The democracy reference is a red herring and somewhat out of date, these days, given the clear preference expressed by the Arab Street for democracy over the colonial leftovers still oppressing the indigenous populations of those countries.

For the rest, well, read, a bunch of foreign invaders determined to steal land belonging to others.

have already made numerous attempts to destroy that tiny nation.

Simply untrue. No Arab nation has launched a war on land the awarded the Jewish population by the UN in the partition agreement aimed at destroying that state.

Your belief is simply the result of overwhelming and supremely successful Israeli propaganda.

Finally Iran has endorsed the Arab League and OIS full and final peace offers along the lines of 242. It’s Israel’s political elite and army of terror, the IDF, who refuses to budge from its long term goal of expelling all the indigenous population and then carrying out a permanent reign of terror over the region.
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January 15, 2012 8:33pm
bhudson

reid,

I’m sorry bhudson, but within the theatre-of-actual-reality-as-it-in-fact-exists IMO, your assessment of Iran acting as you suggest sounds to me like an unlikely B-movie which bombed at the box office and bankrupted the producer.

And yet you claim that a decapitation strike by Israel is a possibility. Care to judge yourself by the same criteria?

bhudson you might want to ask yourself how and why you have concluded Iran would automatically use a nuke if it had one.

I never suggested they would do so automatically (merely that it was a logical concern to be questioned), but as to why anyone might even entertain the possibility that they might consider it?…

[me]Would you deny that Iran has sponsored terrorist groups against Isreal? (It appears that he does – or has a memory lapse.)
[you]No of course not bhudson why would I.

Looks like you answered the possibility yourself there reid.

Was that an implanted thought or did you just come up with it all by yourself?From the perspective of the Arab Street, the contractors still in Iran are the other side’s Hezbollah.

Interesting interpretation. If that is held as a legitimate position, then one can only conclude then that neither they nor you would have any issue whatsoever with Israel using the same tactics.

…and what she really is in reality not as they do on how dangerous iran is, western opinion would change overnight

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January 15, 2012 8:46pm
reid

$$$bhudson, sorry, I deleted the original to which you have replied above, as I realised it was a general point I was responding to which is inherent in others which I in my original attributed unfairly to you. My apologies, this is what I meant to say.$$$

Would you deny that Iran has sponsored terrorist groups against Isreal? (It appears that he does – or has a memory lapse.)

No of course not bhudson why would I. The point is, so what. From the perspective of the Arab Street, the contractors still in Iran are the other side’s Hezbollah. I realise it’s not the done thing for a geniune country to sponsor a terrorist organisation, but in the context of what else happens in the world re: what other countries do to (a) each other and (b) their own citizens, all the time, it’s not the crime of the century either. But the western MSM have been painting this myth for more than ten years that the only repeat only evil threat today in the world is terrorism and drugs and let’s not even speak about the other evils like whoops, no WMD and a million Iraqi casualities but that’s not evil, that’s fighting terrorism, right. This is the global reality and if you care to dispute the million figure go ahead I don’t care. The reason I don’t bhudson is because it doesn’t matter what you or I think is the true figure it’s what the Arab Street thinks and they think well over over a million and that’s what counts, the only thing that counts, in the equation. Unless you want to commit GIGO and why do that?

He raises the capabilities of the Shahab-3 missile, but then misses what would seem to be a very logical concern to consider given its capabilities. A pre-emptive first strike might not be a viable option for Israel, but if Iran is able to develop nuclear weapons, it very well may be for them.

How and why you have concluded Iran would automatically use a nuke if it had one? It’s just I see no evidence this would happen, since MAD applies and also, as the article peripherally addresses, it’s in Iran’s interests to preserve the oil trade therefore war is a bad thing, for Iran. It’s against Iran’s best interests to attack anyone, whether it’s Israel, the US or anyone else. As the article notes, historically, Iran has never attacked anyone. Which other nations with Iran’s longevity can boast that?

This is what mitigates against Iran automatically using a nuke.

Iran is a serious, proper country. But it’s portrayed by the western MSM as if the only repeat only people in the command structure are insance Mullahs itching to nuke Israel. This is a meme used by the global MSM precisely so that those ignorant of the actual Iran command structure will assume it’s a hair trigger precisely so they will conclude their is no question: Iran will use the bomb if it gets it, they are ruled by madmen with total say over everything that goes. This is the constant MSM message in all sorts of formats and constantly reinforced.

Of course, avid Fox viewers simply lap up this B-movie in their millions, salivating in their lust to deal it to the evil ragheads once and for all, that’ll learn em.

If people like that spent half as much time researching the capabilities of Iran and what she really is like in reality as they do on how dangerous Iran is, western opinion would change overnight, because it only takes about 5 mins of open-minded good-honest-hearted research to locate and read that.

But that’s not going to happen of course not with the global MSM busily drumming a nightly tattoo because anything that suggests otherwise is mere propaganda.
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January 15, 2012 8:46pm
bhudson

^^ Last sentence above should have been:

“Why even you state “she” is a sponsor of terrorism reid. Why on earth would you think people would suddenly see “her” differently?
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January 15, 2012 8:50pm
bhudson

reid,

Iran is a serious, proper country. But it’s portrayed by the western MSM as if the only repeat only people in the command structure are insance Mullahs itching to nuke Israel.

I agree 100% with the first sentence and I agree we do not see or hear much about Iran other than the perceived threats and dangers.
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January 15, 2012 8:57pm
reid

nasska:

Why not take a quick moment to look at Israel’s position.

OK

Israel sits as a democratic modern country of 8 million people determined to carve a nation out of the shithole that is the Middle East. Surrounding it are 360 million Muslims determined to drag the world back to the 15th century. These same primitives voice hatred for Israel at every opportunity & have already made numerous attempts to destroy that tiny nation.

No they’re modern, educated humans just like us, not savages. You look at photos of the Arab Street these days. They have cafes and the internet and wifi and even Madonna. Do not mistake the actions of the Arab nations for the sentiment of the Arab Street. They quite often differ. One thing critical to ME dynamics is the degree to which foreign nations manipulate the client puppets and if you don’t understand who is who re: puppet in master in MS politics, you will not be accurate. That’s the art and the science. And it’s very Machiavellian, even more so than European politics and that’s saying something.

If instead of living in Wellington you were resident in say Tel Aviv how would you react to the 24/7/365 threats against your right to even exist? Would you still dismiss so lightly the hyperbolic ravings of ‘dinner jacket’ & the mad mullahs & just ignore the hatred or would you take steps to defend yourself & your family?

The clue to perceiving Iran’s passivity is in understanding how it has indeed reacted to the various provocations over the years and contrasting that with how Israel would have reacted were Israel in the same situation as Iran is.

Research the western MSM and look over the years at the slow slow aggression from Israel/US, trace it back to the very first killings and “mysterious” explosions which somehow accidentally killed one scientist after another and look at all of them and look at how very very long it took Iran to react at all. These were happening well before Stuxnet and yet, nothing. Is this the expected reaction of a regime which you depict above?

Research further into the damage Stuxnet did. Still nothing. Is this the expected reaction of a regime which you depict above?

Months pass.

Still nothing.

Israel/US obviously get impatient. Right.

Trade embargo. Currency embargo.

Need I go on nasska?
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January 15, 2012 9:16pm
reid

So you are not at all aware of the fact that he would walk through Wellington naked under the blanket, flashing all and sundry for a bit of fun? Or that mothers with children have had the fortune of their kids seeing him masturbate under his blanket on the street? [That’s only anecdotal – can’t say I am aware he was ever convicted of that.]

I can confirm this is new information bhudson which leaves me in a sort of chess-check dilemma doesn’t it. Hmmmm.

Righto.

?

Crikey.

No, it’s checkmate on that one bhudson, I can’t think of any escape from that, at all. Buggar.
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January 15, 2012 9:27pm
bhudson

reid,

I am not intending to pillory the dead man, but, as you would seem to be all too far aware, it is very easy to be on the receiving end of a distorted picture from the MSM. 🙂
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January 15, 2012 9:32pm
reid

Six Principles of Global Manipulation

This is worth consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fF3TQ0lJnU

Edit: Salt in the wound bhudson. 🙂
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January 15, 2012 9:36pm
nasska

reid

…”Do not mistake the actions of the Arab nations for the sentiment of the Arab Street.”……

The feelings on the street are not of great importance in a country where the Revolutionary Guard loyal to the Mullahs can & does oppress the people of the street. Much is made of Muslim countries embracing democracy but as long as there is an armed theocracy functioning as an upper house the concept of the people holding power is a joke.

Re the exploding scientists & Stuxnet. Iran is sufficiently hostile to most of the world that they couldn’t say with any certainty that Israel was the only possible nation responsible for sabotaging dinner jacket’s nuclear dreams
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January 15, 2012 9:37pm
reid

The feelings on the street are not of great importance in a country where the Revolutionary Guard loyal to the Mullahs can & does oppress the people of the street.

I was referring to ME general sentiment there nasska.

Iran is sufficiently hostile to most of the world that they couldn’t say with any certainty that Israel was the only possible nation responsible for sabotaging dinner jacket’s nuclear dreams

Iran isn’t hostile as proven by actions. Also proven by actions, for some reason the world is hostile to Iran. Try holding that thought in your mind for awhile and see what happens.
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January 15, 2012 9:59pm
Other_Andy

@nasska

“Much is made of Muslim countries embracing democracy…….”

It is just one group of thugs replacing another group of thugs.
The only reason why so many of those on the left are cheering is that the new thugs on the block are even more hostile to the US, Israel and the ‘West’ in general than the previous thugs.
‘Arab spring’…in which country has the situation improved after the so-called ‘Arab Spring’?
As for calling Iran passive and peaceful, hardly…
Iran is heavily involved in almost every conflict in the Middle East where it has some influence, fomenting violence between Sunni and Shia (Iraq, Yemen and the UAE), fomenting and supporting violence against Israel (Gaza and Lebanon) helping to squash a Sunni uprising (Syria) and supplying Shia in Iraq with weapons and explosives used in IEDs.
Iran has established new Iranian missions in Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and Uruguay, enlarging existing Iranian embassies in Argentina, Brazil, Cuba, and Mexico and has been sending officers from its paramilitary Quds Force to some of those countries.
The Iranians have a history of carrying out deadly terrorist massacres in Latin America — most notably, the 1992 and 1994 Buenos Aires bombings — and former Peruvian military chief of staff Gen. Francisco Contreras has said that Iranian organizations are now aiding other terror groups in South America. Last year the US and Saudi Arabia foiled an Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States.
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January 15, 2012 10:28pm
Manolo

Some enraged do-gooders: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10778951&ref=rss
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