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December 9, 2011 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Elaycee

“Why can’t we have just normal school. I thought we are all equal?”

But in the eyes of Pollywog, some people are simply more equal than others. 😛
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December 9, 2011 1:57pm
RightNow

Duff said the woman’s story was a “reconstruction” that took snapshots of real events and weaved them with a “fabric of lies”.

He said it was “sick” but she wanted to “keep the flame alive” and keep control over Harris.

The pattern described did not fit the usual domestic abuse scenario where the victim was isolated from others, he said.

He listed about a dozen names of boarders, friends, family and social workers who, if the violence was real, would have had to stand by and let it happen without alerting authorities.

“You cannot rely on this woman,” Duff said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6115373/Tow-bar-abuse-accused-denies-claims

Unfortunately it is all too credible that all those people could have just stood by and let the violence happen. We’ve heard it all before.
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December 9, 2011 2:23pm
grumpyoldhori

visitor, oh dear what a whiner you are, equally racist, nope, equally nationalistic to all visitors regardless of race creed or colour.
I bet you have kept your other nationality.
Christ they tried to educate you here yet you do not know the difference between racism and being nationalistic, I do wonder about the quality of visitors to this country.
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December 9, 2011 2:24pm
TimG_Oz

The Hobart pitch is that Green that it’s negating the need for Gillard’s Carbon tax.
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December 9, 2011 2:25pm
graham

Forget your Coronation Street, I’m eagerly waiting for the next exciting installment in the Occupy soap opera.

I wish they did live video streaming from the court. Hell, I’d pay per view to watch Penny and her mob versus the judge.
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December 9, 2011 2:30pm
Falafulu Fisi

leftyliberal said…

Two people walking opposite directions on a grand circle of a sphere will do that as well. A mobius strip is hardly unique in that respect

leftyliberal, the whole reason of my post to explain the deception of the mobius strip itself and not argue about the obvious as you stated above about a sphere. I believe (I haven’t checked yet) that some roller-coasters at fun parks are made to be to be a complete mobius circuit. So, here is the test.

Two carts are positioned at 2 different points on this roller-coasters mobius circuit to run in opposite direction. You simply tell the riders in those respective cars, that the circuit is mobius. A person/s that know/s what mobius is, will definitely get off and those who don’t still remain (without knowing that when the switch button is on, they’re on their way to a fun suicide). This is why I put up the mobius, because the nature of its shape is not obvious to the average Joe. That’s my main point that I hinted in the message. Compare that to a roller-coaster on a sphere. It would be obvious to the riders in those the carts that to have one boundary, the starting position must meet the ending position for the ride to be continuous & repetitive. Therefore they can tell that if Cart A and Cart B started out on different points heading in opposite direction on this mobius circuit on the sphere, there will be a definite collision. So, every rider will hop off from both carts A and B.
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December 9, 2011 2:36pm
immigant

grumpyoldhori

If it turns out I’ve not kept my original nationality are you going to appologise for telling me to go home and admit that you are racist?

I won’t hold my breath. You put yourself on a pedistal based on the colour of your skin and you Whakapap or what ever you call it, I put myself up on a pedistal based on my acheivements in life, big diffirence buddy.
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December 9, 2011 2:39pm
dime

grumpy – you are one of the most racist people here.
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December 9, 2011 2:44pm
thor42

@Falafulu Fisi – I *love* your keenness and energy with this problem-solving stuff!
It almost makes me want to go back to school and have you teach me… 🙂
Whichever school you’re at should consider themselves very fortunate to have you.
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December 9, 2011 3:03pm
leftyliberal

@Falafulu Fisi: With apologies to those who can see the difference between a donut and a coffee mug (heh), but were you meaning that the coaster carts would start off on opposite “sides” of the track (i.e. above and below the track respectively?) facing opposite directions? If so, I take your point – most punters would be quite happy to climb on board. After all, the only thing that makes a mobius roller coaster special is the twist half way along that ensures the track has only one “side”.
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December 9, 2011 3:23pm
Scott Chris

immigant

I don’t agree with the term “visitor” to describe the more recent immigrants, but I don’t find it offensive. After all, we all emigrated here at one stage or another, Maori included. In one sense, we’re all visitors I suppose.

“Invaders/conquerors” is more apt imo, but by the same token, Maori are invaders too, and had the roles been reversed, I doubt the Maori would have been as generous in their terms as the Brits.

Probably would have eaten the meaty ones, and enslaved the rest.
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December 9, 2011 3:56pm
reid

This is the drone Iran has captured, intact.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8944248/Iran-shows-off-captured-US-drone.html

Check out the US flag underneath it.
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December 9, 2011 4:23pm
immigant

Scott

I’d rather be a conqueror, at least it would reflect the reality of the situation better.
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December 9, 2011 4:26pm
DJP6-25

Manolo 11:38. Let’s hope an incoming Republican administration will appoint a Special Prosecutor to go after the US side of the climate scam. Another for Solyndra, Oh, and another investigation under the RICO legislation for ACORN.

cheers

David Prosser
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December 9, 2011 4:55pm
plebe

The slack caps(black caps for the idiots around here) remind me of the national party and Key,
they are the best we have and we have to put up with them, but they are fuc*** useless.
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December 9, 2011 4:59pm
plebe

Whats the name of the fuckwit CEO sulking in AUSTRALIA,to scared to come home and admite he killed those dumb workers under him, He probably knows John Key and donated to the national campain, hes a gutless CEO and KILLED the people under him Barry, dont pick on the workers ,focus on the departed SCARED CEO
barry (664) Says:

December 9th, 2011 at 8:09 am
The pike river enquiry is starting to look messy – for the miners!!

Im starting to wonder if they are all a bit retarded. Covering sensors and not having the guts to take a stand over safety – bloody wimps. Yesterday we saw the safety manager blubbing in the enquiry – hes a bloody gutless wimp. If he didnt like what was going on he should have written to the department of labour and then buggered off.
So – he was scarred to loose his job.
Well guess what – he as and hes lost a son as well.

Youve got to stand up for keeping standards up. Wailing on that the boss was a bully is all in line with the current cult of ‘Blame soneone else because no matter stupid I am, it has to be someone elses fault’. doesnt work when the mine blows up.
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December 9, 2011 5:13pm
reid

Anyone looking forward to another session of dangerous insane mayhem?

I heard a report the other day that the whale meat isn’t saleable, no or little demand so lots of it from last season is still sitting in cool stores.

While I do care about whales since they are sentient beings, my view is since those Japanese are only doing it out of pride in tradition and evidently their captures don’t decimate the species they hunt since they haven’t gone extinct yet, have they, so why not just let the Norwegians and Japanese just carry on their traditions which will gradually just peter out?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/6116200/Japanese-whalers-sue-Sea-Shepherd
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December 9, 2011 5:53pm
reid

Let’s hope that while Auckland City Council are indeed acting reasonably this time in their action against the Occupiers [court hearing at which incidentally, one Penny Bright went totally mental, apparently] because this is not a field, this is a membrane over an underground carpark, the entire MSM nevertheless blame this action entirely on evil Len for acting totally unnecessarily, harshly and brutally against the poor and downtrodden Occupiers, which is as we all know, precisely how Walrus and Campbell would be playing it tonight were he mayor instead of Len.
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December 9, 2011 6:20pm
reid

Banks as mayor I mean – missed the edit.
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December 9, 2011 6:24pm
nasska

reid

Do you have any links to Water Woman’s performance. Watching a deranged mind in the final stages of unraveling could be fascinating.
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December 9, 2011 6:34pm
Manolo

The parasite occupiers should be evicted and thrown into jail if they resist. Society is impoverished by the presence of the likes of the deranged Bright and her ilk.
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December 9, 2011 6:37pm
reid

Just heard it happened on Checkpoint about 20 mins ago nasska. Let’s hope it’s in the law reports.

On second thought, let’s hope it’s not. That would be poisoning the well, wouldn’t it.
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December 9, 2011 6:38pm
reid

More on the Bloomberg revelation:

http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/pulling-back-the-curtain-on-the-wall-street-money-machine/

White House Insider doesn’t seem to like Obama very much. How peculiar:

http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/12/05/white-house-insider-america-cant-survive-barack-obama/
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December 9, 2011 6:53pm
reid

The very last words on the Maori segment of Checkpoint at 6:55 on Friday, is that the iwi leader in ChCh says that CERA has treated them very very well.

I wonder why that was the very last item on the very last segment for the week and whether or not any of the other media will pick that up.
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December 9, 2011 6:59pm
Viking2

Putting wharfies to shame.

http://screencast.com/t/b7BLXIOJJgs

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/19579-smit-borneo-lifting-begins.html
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December 9, 2011 7:35pm
JamesS

Watched Campbell Live tonight; there was a story about a 2 year old boy with a history of severe health problems during his short life; numerous spells in hospital and has had both kidneys removed. Poor little bugger.

The ACT party lunatics believe that young boy should not be treated, and should simply die, unless his parents are rich.

If he was in a critical condition and the parents rushed him to hospital and they did not possess a large sum of cash then tough titty; he would be thrown out in the alleyway with the rubbish bins – to die.

Thank god for the National party is all I can say! (and why are we in coalition with these low life ACT degenerates?!?!)
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December 9, 2011 7:46pm
nasska

The Prison Warden, addressing the three instigators of a failed prison riot, said, “I would like to know two things. First, why did you revolt? Secondly: How did you get out of your cells?”

One of the three men stepped forward, “Warden, we rebelled because the food is fucking dreadful.”

“I see. And what did you use to wreck the bars?” The warden asked.

The inmate replied, “The soup.”
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December 9, 2011 8:05pm
nasska

JamesS

The ACT supporters would argue that as tax would be lower that the parents would be able to afford private health insurance. I’ve always thought that the counter to that argument is that insurance companies are (rightly) out to make a profit & one of the ways they do that is to refuse to cover bad risks or load the premium to a point where it is unaffordable.

Don’t know where that leaves kids such as you described.
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December 9, 2011 8:13pm
Steve

James @ 7.46.
‘Watched Campbell Live tonight’
Why? Why do you and a few other people watch the cock and then tell the world about Campbell?
You like his eyes yep
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December 9, 2011 9:56pm
nasska

Looks like D4J may have set a new record. 110 demerits in 22 minutes.

Has anyone managed an average of 5 dem/min before?
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December 9, 2011 10:16pm
Griff

Mental image of a host of disfranchised kiwiblogers watching the debate day after day bristling with wit and argument. Only to burst brightly in futile flame for days after weeks, months, years in the cold lonely wilderness of suspension.

Mind you some are pretty unhinged. Time may not mean the same when your reality is so distorted
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December 9, 2011 10:40pm
publicwatchdog

CEO of Auckland Council, Doug McKay is a member of the Committtee for Auckland – a lobby group for the ‘1% ers’ that played a significant role in helping to achieve the railroaded corporate takeover of the Auckland region through the setting up of the Auckland $UPERCITY.

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

Wonder if the Committee for Auckland ever discussed ‘Occupy Auckland’?

Wonder how supportive of Occupy Auckland were the (UNELECTED) Committee for Auckland?

Wonder if Auckland Council ratepayers paid Doug McKay’s Committee for Auckland membership fee?

If so – on what lawful basis?

Of course this private ‘invitation only’ lobby group for the ‘1% ers’, is not subject to the Official Information Act – so – I wonder how we could find out the answers to these questions?

Come on all you Kiwibloggers who believe in ‘freedom of expression’ – got any ideas?

(For more information about the Auckland SUPER corporate takeover of the Auckland region via the Auckland ‘$UPERCITY’
check out http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz and http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz )

🙂

Kind regards.

Penny Bright
waterpressure@gmail.com
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December 10, 2011 1:48am
publicwatchdog

Response to John Bank’s ‘minder’

Nookin (1,453) Says:
December 9th, 2011 at 8:41 am

“….The very fact that you do not recognise that by your actions you are trampling on the rights of others is disturbing. Whatever you think of John Banks, he has the right to put up election billboards without some petty minded vandal defacing them. There are two issues here. The first is that the Billboard belongs to either John Banks or the Act party. It is not your property. You do not have a right to interfere with that property. By doing so you are interfering with the rights of somebody else. The second point is that in erecting the poster, John Banks was conveying a message to his potential electorate. You interfered with that right by defacing the billboard and interfering with the message that he has every right to convey. It is astounding that you cannot see that. …”

PROVE that I ‘defaced’ John Bank’s bill boards, anonymous Nookin, who purports to be a ‘lawyer’?

I was prepared to defend any such charge in Court.

That’s why I openly and publicly ‘piggy-backed’ my TRUTHFUL comments on to John Banks and John Key’s hoardings.

(Weren’t they GREAT photos?

🙂

http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

How come you whining Kiwibloggers were more upset about my actions than those who could have, if they wished, chosen to make a complaint to the Electoral Commission, or the Police?

Why didn’t John Banks or John Key take ANY action against me?

They could have – they didn’t – so I respectfully suggest you stop your pointless moaning.

(Meant of course in a caring way 😉

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
waterpressure@gmail.com
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December 10, 2011 2:16am
The Scorned

A total moron writes… The ACT party lunatics believe that young boy should not be treated, and should simply die, unless his parents are rich.

If he was in a critical condition and the parents rushed him to hospital and they did not possess a large sum of cash then tough titty; he would be thrown out in the alleyway with the rubbish bins – to die.

Never heard of private charity,voluntary benevolence or plain old fashioned human decency…? What shit house planet do you live on JamesS..?

You have revealed yourself as a human hater and clueless fool.

Piss off and die.
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December 10, 2011 2:48am
Nookin

“PROVE that I ‘defaced’ John Bank’s bill boards, anonymous Nookin, who purports to be a ‘lawyer’?”

OK – try this

“That’s why I openly and publicly ‘piggy-backed’ my TRUTHFUL comments on to John Banks and John Key’s hoardings.

(Weren’t they GREAT photos?”

QED

Maybe the reason no-one has taken action is that you are just not that important. Just remind us – who won Epsom?
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December 10, 2011 3:57am
Manolo

Sarko’s high jinks: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072061/EU-treaty-change-Nicolas-Sarkozy-snubs-David-Cameron-swife-body-swerve.html
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December 10, 2011 5:36am
Manolo

The whole country is guilty, isn’t it? http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8387198/no-change-in-child-abuse-rates-study
Avoiding the elephant in the room, again.
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December 10, 2011 6:18am
Keeping Stock

Penny Bright defends her vandalism because she believes that she is in the right. So if I were to go to Aotea Square and set fire to Penny’s tent because I believed that I was in the right, would she forgive me?

I think we all know the answer to that. Penny Bright is a self-serving hypocrite of the worst kind, with a strong dose of narcissism thrown in for good measure.
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December 10, 2011 7:12am
publicwatchdog

See my reasons for doubting that you are REALLY a ‘lawyer’ Nookin?

You don’t seem to have much understanding of the actual LAW which applies in this case.

Let me assist.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0113/latest/DLM1405201.html?search=ts_act_Summary+Offences+Act+1981_resel&p=1#DLM1405201

11A Graffiti vandalism, tagging, defacing, etc

A person is liable to a community-based sentence (within the meaning of section 4(1) of the Sentencing Act 2002) or a fine not exceeding $2,000, or to both, if he or she damages or defaces any building, structure, road, tree, property, or other thing by writing, drawing, painting, spraying, or etching on it, or otherwise marking it,—

(a) without lawful authority; and

(b) without the consent of the occupier or owner or other person in lawful control.

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What I was prepared to defend in Court – if charged under the above-mentioned s.11A of the Summary Offences Act 1981, was that it was actually VERY easy to remove my ‘piggy-backed’ corflute messages, (as so aptly demonstrated by the photos John Banks so doing himelf http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz).

Tiny perforations in corflute election hoardings caused by removed staples, I would have argued, did not constitute ‘damage’.

Also – I would have argued that the reason why I had exercised my right to freedom of expression, was because the TRUTH about ACT’s ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’ having not been equally applied to John Banks (or Don Brash), as it had to fellow former Director of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd – Peter Huljich, had effectively been censored by NZ mainstream corporate media.

I would have also argued that ‘it is not a crime to prevent the commissioning of an arguably greater crime’ – the election to public office of arguably yet-to-be convicted ‘white collar’ criminals, (John Banks and Don Brash) who have not (yet) had the same law equally applied to themselves because those statutory ‘third party’ bodies with a statutory duty to help ensure the consistent application of the Securities Act 1978 to ALL those Directors of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd who signed Registered Prospectuses containing ‘untrue’ statements, and in so doing misled ‘Mum and Dad’ investors, have FAILED TO DO THEIR JOBS.

I would have affirmed an affidavit, with copies of my written requests to the CEO of the Finance Markets Authority, Sean Hughes, and Director of the Serious Fraud Office, Adam Feeley, duly annexed.

Arguably NZ’s mainstream corporate media would have then given this matter some (slight) attention, because to date – they have not, and the voting public would have been better able to ‘cast an informed vote’?

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
waterpressure@gmail.com
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December 10, 2011 7:19am
Manolo

Your are very harsh words, Keeping Stock. But I agree with everything you said.
I would add the terms loafer, bludger, leech, freeloader and parasite.
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December 10, 2011 7:21am
Manolo

Dissent among the Europeans: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,802823,00.html
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December 10, 2011 7:22am
Griff

child abuse?

Its not an elephant its the six percent that identifies as Maori

Mind you infanticide was part of their pre contact culture. They have the “right” to keep their cultural practices

scotts one in ten thousand is more like one in a thousand

Lovely culture that we all need to learn it would make us better people

yer right
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December 10, 2011 7:23am
publicwatchdog

It is arguably rash to take an uncalculated risk ‘Keeping Stock’.

I think you would have difficulty in Court arguing that deliberately setting fire to a tent did not constitute ‘ARSON’, which is a criminal act with rather serious consequences?

Let me assist.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330497.html#DLM330497

NZ Crimes Act 1981

267 Arson

(1) Every one commits arson and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years who—

(a) intentionally or recklessly damages by fire or by means of any explosive any property if he or she knows or ought to know that danger to life is likely to ensue; or

(b) intentionally or recklessly, and without claim of right, damages by fire or by means of any explosive any immovable property, or any vehicle, ship, or aircraft, in which that person has no interest; or

(c) intentionally damages by fire or by means of any explosive any immovable property, or any vehicle, ship or aircraft, with intent to obtain any benefit, or to cause loss to any other person.

(2) Every one commits arson and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who—

(a) intentionally or recklessly, and without claim of right, damages by fire or by means of any explosive any property in which that person has no interest (other than property referred to in subsection (1)); or

(b) intentionally or recklessly damages by fire or by means of any explosive any property (other than property referred to in subsection (1)) with intent to obtain any benefit, or with intent to cause loss to any other person.

(3) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who intentionally damages by fire or by means of any explosive any property with reckless disregard for the safety of any other property.

(4) In this section and in section 269, benefit means any benefit, pecuniary advantage, privilege, property, service, or valuable consideration.

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You are of course aware ‘Keeping Stock’ – that ‘ignorance of the law’ is no excuse?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328230.html#DLM328230

NZ Crimes Act 1981

25 Ignorance of law

The fact that an offender is ignorant of the law is not an excuse for any offence committed by him.
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Whom, arguably, is the ‘hypocrite’ here ‘Taking Stock’?

I’m just a self-funded ‘Public Watchdog’ whom (fiercely) sticks up for herself?

🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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December 10, 2011 7:39am
Monique Watson

Don’t feed the animals. Or entertain the crazies.

The two year old boy with removed kidneys? Treating young patients with no hope is only the humane thing to do. Where do you draw the line. It’s one way of expanding the breadth of medical knowledge which leads to new procedures and products being developed which leads to…-drum roll-…profits.
Everyone wins.

Penny Bright. Do you have a job. Or are you a teat sucking lunatic? Just asking.

Ps – that was possibly defamatory in your previous post. Just sayin.
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December 10, 2011 7:46am
publicwatchdog

And how would you define and substantiate the terms ‘loafer, bludger, leech, freeloader and parasite’ in my case ‘Manolo’?

At least I have the courage and integrity to put my name to my posts – unlike yourself.

Actually, I work VERY hard in the public interest – (ask Ross Burns 🙂 and from whom am I ‘bludging’, ‘leeching’ or ‘freeloading’ if I fund myself?

DUH?

Of course ‘Manolo’ I know that in your case, FACTS and EVIDENCE don’t usually accompany your arguably ill-considered opinions – but at least you’re consistent in that regard.

yawn……………..

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
EFFECTIVE ‘Public Watchdog’

http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz
http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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December 10, 2011 7:52am
publicwatchdog

May I respectfully suggest Monique – that you check the definition of ‘lunatic’ and consider a little more carefully to whom you could more accurately apply that noun?

If you regularly read comments made on Kiwiblog – I’m sure you will find others far more deserving than myself.

🙂

Have a LOVELY day!

Penny Bright
EFFECTIVE ‘Public Watchdog’

http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz
http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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December 10, 2011 8:00am
Griff

penny tarnish
defective public nuisance
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December 10, 2011 8:06am
big bruv

Penny.

You call yourself the ‘public watchdog’.

Who appointed you to that role?, I am a member of the public and I do no want you within a thousand fucking miles of my affairs.

If you are acting on behalf of me then please, cease and desist.
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December 10, 2011 8:15am
publicwatchdog

Missed this did you ‘Griff’?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10655565

Perennial protester a ‘Good Citizen’
By Rebecca Blithe of The Aucklander
11:01 AM Thursday Jul 1, 2010

Perennial protester Penny Bright – arrested 22 times, often at Auckland City Council meetings – has received a “Good Citizen” award from a council community board, The Aucklander reports.

The outgoing Eden Albert Community Board’s chairman, Christopher Dempsey, says the controversial character is being honoured for focusing attention on water privatisation and pushing for transparency in council contracts.

Ms Bright has never enrolled at university and has no legal training, yet she has won 21 out of 22 court cases.

Auckland City Mayor John Banks, who has had Ms Bright bundled out of the council chambers several times, is not at all surprised by the award.

For the full story, visit http://www.theaucklander.co.nz.
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Kind regards

Penny Bright
EFFECTIVE ‘Public Watchdog’

http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz
http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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December 10, 2011 8:17am
Nookin

Penny – can you point me to any definition of the words “deface” or “mark” which require permanancy? Doesn’t Banks have the freedom to express himself, lawfully, without you super-imposing your message over-top? Doesn’t the electorate have the right to read Banks’ message without your interference?
Has it occurred to you that the last three lines of your signature stand for FAIL, FAIL, FAIL?
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December 10, 2011 8:20am
publicwatchdog

You are a bit slow to catch on Nookin.

Are you SURE you’re a ‘lawyer’?

If my ‘piggy-backed’ messages on corflute which I AUTHORISED, and was photographed in broad daylight so doing, were able to be removed without arguably ‘damaging’ the hoarding on to which they had been stapled – where was the ‘mark’ or ‘damage’?

I ‘put my hand up’ and was fully prepared to take any possible consequences of my actions, which I would have vigorously defended in court, had I been charged.

And why are YOU ‘Nookin’ more concerned about this matter than John Banks himself?

yawn…………..

Check out the photos for yourselves folks!

http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

(Thanks for helping to keep this issue ‘alive’ Nookin! 😉

Penny Bright
EFFECTIVE ‘Public Watchdog’

http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz
http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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December 10, 2011 8:36am
alex Masterley

Ah yes the late unlamented eden albert community bored. A bunch of right travellers.
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December 10, 2011 8:40am
Nookin

“Ms Bright has never enrolled at university and has no legal training, yet she has won 21 out of 22 court cases.”

Were you being honest MS Bright?
My count does not show that ratio. We went thru this some months ago.I counted quite a few losses. I even saw one case when the Court told a defendant that you were not welcome as a MacKenzie friend because you were leading the defendants astray with your personal agenda.

I am not keeping this issue alive – you keep coming here and posting tripe. I am just pointing that out. Or do I not have that right without personal denigation?
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December 10, 2011 8:43am
Elaycee

Nookin says: “Has it occurred to you that the last three lines of your signature stand for FAIL, FAIL, FAIL?”

Yup – ever since the early 1980’s (she was originally comrade Minto’s placard waver in the Wairarapa), her trajectory has been maintaining it’s downhill course.

EFFECTIVE? Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaa….

😀
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December 10, 2011 8:59am
kunst5

Good on you Ms Bright to stand up against these bloody, terrible “Cock- fighters” – running sheepishly and brainless their politcal male agenda.

It is about time ! Congratulation to young NZcitizens standing up against a corrupt and greedy system.
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December 10, 2011 9:00am
Elaycee

Oh,oh – who left the door open?
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December 10, 2011 9:01am
Nookin

I think that one oozed under the door, Elaycee. Sheepish cockfighters? Congruous metaphors?
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December 10, 2011 9:18am
Elaycee

@Nookin: Yup – It appears that kunst5 (Swiss Brigitte from Kaikoura) has never met Ms Bright nor seen a photo. Whilst Penny has been called many things, the use of the description “young NZ citizen..” doesn’t quite fit with Penny’s self proclaimed 57 years.

Unless 57 is the new 27!
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December 10, 2011 10:01am
Manolo

57, but the looks of 77. Jeepers.
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December 10, 2011 10:16am
kunst5

Elaycee – did you not spot the “s” and then another wrong conclusion – it is me Walter (male)- who made the comment. Are you anti women – correct term “Sheepish Cock- Fighters”- then.
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December 10, 2011 10:48am
Elaycee

Thank you Walter, for clearing that up. Had you used your proper name (Kunz), the use of the ‘s’ would have made it obvious which of the co-owners of the Gallery was writing. Pfffttt…

In response to your comment (or was that meant to be a question?) “Are you anti women – correct term “Sheepish Cock- Fighters”- then…” my lovely wife of decades can attest to the fact that I am not ‘anti women’. Au contraire….

However, I am ‘anti’ any long standing, placard waving dissident who takes it upon herself to use lies, innuendo, gossip, theories and anti-establishment tactics to spread her own brand of conspiracy based crap. I think she is just a narcissist who thrives on publicity (including constant derision). And I don’t think I’m alone – Penny gained just 106 votes in the Epsom electorate. Yup – 106! This doesn’t look flash – even the votes cast in Epsom that were deemed either invalid or informal, totalled…. 343!

And Walter, your final comment beggars belief: “Congratulation to young NZ citizens standing up against a corrupt and greedy system.” Really? Didn’t NZ just come in at the least corrupt country on the planet? Even better than Switzerland?

Or did you miss that bit?
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December 10, 2011 1:17pm
kunst5

Eleycee – the “Wall Street Occupy” movement is important and should be supported in it’s fundamental idea.. Yes I agree even more so in Switzerland, where the banking system has taken hostage the government. This is in many countries one of many worrisome development. On many issues traditional, rather right wing opinions/ policies are hindering positive progress. Of course this can also be said about other political parties.
I’m relatively new in this blog, but often amazed, how members attack dissenters unfairly to a degree, that valuable and most needed debates are almost impossible.
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December 10, 2011 3:54pm
Pauleastbay

Just because its a dissent doesn’t make it debate worthy, sometimes its just shit and ignored justifiably
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December 10, 2011 4:07pm
Manolo

Another “peaceful” family claims a young victim: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772260
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December 10, 2011 4:15pm
kunst5

Paulestbay – you just confirmed what I’m saying. An issue can be interesting to be debated, but as soon as people know, who the author is it becomes worthless.
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December 10, 2011 4:21pm
Nookin

Kunst5. This site varies in character. Sometimes it’s a bear pit. Sometimes there is reasoned debate. For the most part it has a right wing (capitalist) focus. Regretfully, New Zealand suffers from an irrational left-wing/right wing divide. There is almost total intolerance. Those from the left say that capitalism is wrong. Those from the right to say that the left are socialist bludgers. There is often little room for compromise.

Many commentators come here for the sole purpose of making sarcastic and irrelevant comments for the sole purposes of venting their spleen. Some of them come for the sole purposes of being provocative. Penny is one of the worst. The problem is that she has no credibility despite the fact that some of her causes have some justification. It is next to impossible to debate rationally with her. That is why she gets a hard time. Going back to the Pike River disaster, she was floating the theory that the disaster was deliberately brought about as a result of a conspiracy between the Prime Minister and an international banking syndicate. She will continue to get short shrift until she is able to present a reasoned argument on established facts.
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December 10, 2011 4:48pm
kunst5

Nookin- http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/Welcome.html – look at that picture – that just make me smile and happy in comparison with all that corrupt and greedy stuff, which is ruining the world – committed crime by the establishment. She’s a small fish, but obviously with an impact – good on her. The world desperately needs changes. Ethic and moral standards among the upper class and powerful do not prevail anymore. The world does need the young generation standing up against the greedy and corrupt – and so does New Zealand.
Us – the NZmajority are just sitting on the fence – daily – working along our jobs – in silence – accepting/ tolerating all the injustice.

“When injustice becomes law – resistance becomes duty!” – well why not ?
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December 10, 2011 6:57pm
Elaycee

kunst5 says: “She’s a small fish, but obviously with an impact…”

…with an impact??? You must be joking!

Penny is a narcissistic political activist who uses lies, innuendo, rumour and tactics including vandalism in an effort to try and push her conspiracy based propaganda. If her ‘message’ had any shred of credibility, her comments would be considered slightly credible rather than being categorised as the ramblings of a total space framed, fruit loop.

And as I said, the 0.03% of ‘support’ she received in her latest political quest in Epsom, reflects her ‘credibility’. Indeed, the fact that she won a third of the number of votes that were invalid / informal in Epson, says it all.

She may see a conspiracy behind every shadow, but most New Zealanders don’t. IMO, the only reason Penny wastes money on contesting elections is that is gives her ego the publicity and photo ops she craves. Without it, she’d implode.

She is nothing more than a local body political joke. Any thought of her having credibility, could only be based on fantasy.
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December 10, 2011 9:38pm
kunst5

Oh well Elaycee – obviously it seems she has more of an impact on you, then on me – good on her.
I read a number of her publications in the last 2- 3 days. She is controversial – even crazy – and why not ?
As I stated before societies need people like her to debate issues and make progress – urgently.
In current worldwide developments of more government, more spending, more economic/ financial megalomaniac, more inequality, more injustice, more greed, more corruption one of her statement (T. Jefferson) is much more important and valuable for all of us: When injustice becomes law – resistance becomes duty!”

Are these developments not of greater concern for you ?
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December 10, 2011 10:21pm
Griff

Welcome to a right wing blog kunst5
If you want sycophantic agreement for whacko ideas with no value in the real world go to the left
If you want to read the water woman’s rambling conspiracy theory’s go to her blog. Other than the derision and odd bored taunting penny has no value here and this is recognized in the way she is treated.
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December 10, 2011 11:08pm
Elaycee

kunst5 says: “She is …. even crazy…”

On that point, we can all agree.

So if you want to read her crap, then just go to her blog (www.dopeyfruitloopbint.fact.doh) and confirm for yourself.
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December 11, 2011 8:30am
kunst5

Guys – poor style of debating – you can’t even respond to questions and continue with some issues I mentioned, which really matter for our society.
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