General Debate 27 December 2011

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Steve

Righto, let’s get to the shops and spend some more money. Quick before the carparks are full
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December 27, 2011 8:03am
Yvette

The Occupy movement may be an instinctive response –
– not just to the greatest disparity of wealth and power in the history of America –
– but also to the emptying out of institutions and loss of meaning at all levels of life.
An underlying instinct to inhabit life more fully may be arising and taking root in different places for different reasons.
The message of Occupy may be “all over the place” because the underlying message is about “place,” – about reclaiming and more fully inhabiting public places – about being more present to the critical issues in each place – and about taking one’s own place in life more fully.
A movement whose time has come keeps moving and keeps changing; –
– it morphs and alters itself because it represents underlying changes that are only beginning to surface.
Although national in scope, each new occupation takes up local issues and takes on local style.
As the movement moves it stirs a wide range of issues and injustices waiting just under the skin of the country;
– that is what “grass roots” means.
But what of the grass roots in Aotea Square?
Penny and her lot have buggered them
The grass roots are themselves rooted

Occupy an idea, live with it, sleep with it, inhabit it until it becomes a kind of “gnosis,” or genuine knowing. Occupy a place because you love it or because it needs loving attention or simply because you need a place to be. Find something that feels and smells authentic and occupy it fully in order to bring back life’s natural state of diversity and abundance. In the midst of all the change, confusion, and chaos, occupy your own soul; for without soulful presence even momentous events can become hollow and be reduced to political in-fighting and the seeds of change can fail to take root.
But you can’t replant the grass until Occupy have moved their arse
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December 27, 2011 8:34am
Brian Smaller

I got two five-packs of gold top socks. Apparently my wife misheard me and thought I said I want lots of socks over the Christmas break.
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December 27, 2011 9:40am
Other_Andy

Tony Falkenstein: Sugar tax best way to fight obesity

The simplest tax to administer is an excise tax on sugar and its related products.
Sugar is an addiction, so a gentle weaning off the addiction will make it more manageable for consumers as well as giving manufacturers time to adjust the composition of their products.
The excise tax I propose would be 20 per cent on all products with more than 10 per cent sugar content. Each year the sugar content bar would reduce by 1 per cent , so that in seven years the 20 per cent tax would apply to all products with more than 4 per cent sugar,which is considered an acceptable level.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775349

Tony Falkenstein is the chief executive of Just Water International…..
Just Water New Zealand is a division of Just Water International Limited. JWI listed on the stock exchange in 2004 and has operations both in New Zealand and Australia.

Tony Falkenstein seems to like the Solyndra business model. Market growth by policy and subsidy and taking the moral high ground at the same time.
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December 27, 2011 9:44am
Scott Chris

Thought for the day:

Remember, you are unique. Just like everyone else….

Now here are some news bloopers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUM-mR_VbBA

A couple of real doozies here. The foreign language one with the guy with the high pitched voice is a classic.
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December 27, 2011 10:14am
Manolo

Mr Falkenstein can fuck off to where he came from.
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December 27, 2011 10:20am
Other_Andy

Don’t read the print version of the Herald much these days.
Editorials disguised as ‘news’, sensationalist, half-truths and lies by omission.
The only thing I glance at these days are the letters to the editor.
The following letter published in today’s Herald is worth a read.
‘Save the kids from their whanau’
By Carmel Claridge
She states she is an insider in the process of placing kids in foster care.
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December 27, 2011 10:23am
Paulus

I am amazed that the Herald would print Carmel Claridge’s letter. It is clear, concise and to the point, so unlike nearly all the Herald’s letters, usually written by the same people, bitching, as a rule.

Well done Carmel – I entirely concur with your thoughts.
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December 27, 2011 10:50am
dime

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I got two five-packs of gold top socks. Apparently my wife misheard me and thought I said I want lots of socks over the Christmas break.”

Ummm did you mean to say cocks?
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December 27, 2011 11:21am
Scott Chris

Best way to fight obesity is to privatize the health sector and make health insurance compulsory.
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December 27, 2011 11:34am
tristanb

I thought child abuse was a nasty crime, but apparently it pales in comparison to the most important crime of all: racism.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6192459/Maori-child-abuse-label-hurting-parents-academic

Racism comes in many guises – you may not have known, but even mentioning the race of an abused child is racism.

Maybe this ACADEMIC thinks we should do as the Catholic Church does, who when you can’t stop a problem – you stop people talking about the problem.
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December 27, 2011 12:39pm
pollywog

Yeah…it’s not like Maori have a monopoly on child abuse.
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December 27, 2011 12:54pm
gander

Why does Auckland University of Technology have a professor of Maori history?
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December 27, 2011 1:05pm
Brian Smaller

@dime – I really need to work on my elocution.
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December 27, 2011 1:10pm
flipper

There are somethings worse than sugar, Maori academics and WSO’s. First and foremost is the would-be keeper of ALL keys – the U N I T E D N A T I O N S.

Richard Treadgold of Climate Conversation has made this offering:

“The silliest day of them all

The silliest commemoration in the year is the United Nations “International Day of the World’s Indigenous People” (a day of observance but not a holiday).

Anybody thinking? Who is not indigenous to somewhere? So who would this commemoration be for? Anybody thinking? Anyone born off-planet? Anyone?

It’s the International Day of Everyone and Nobody knows it.”

So, is it a case of ” ET phone home” on that day?
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December 27, 2011 1:39pm
Steve

U N I T E D N A T I O N S can stick it where the Global Warming Sun don’t shine.
What a waste of space they are
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December 27, 2011 4:43pm
Steve

Hone, the whities are breeding. The whities are making brown chicks white. Must be whities fault

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775411&ref=rss
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December 27, 2011 5:11pm
nasska

A Russian, an American, and a Pasifikan were talking one day.

The Russian said, “We were the first in space!”

The American said, “We were the first on the moon!”

The Pacifikan said, “So what? We’re going to be the first on the sun!”

The Russian and the American looked at each other and shook their heads. “You can’t land on the sun. You’ll burn up!” said the Russian.

To which the Pacifikan replied, “We’re not stupid, you know. We’re going at night!”
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December 27, 2011 5:14pm
Steve

Shoplifting accused held for holidays

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775411&ref=rss

He misread the stores name ‘Te Wharehouse’
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December 27, 2011 5:17pm
bereal

If Carmel Claridges’ letter to the Herald today is genuine, then there is one reason that New Zealand
has such a disgusting level of child abuse right there.
We should all be ashamed.

Do these poor abused children deserve what they get just because we are so PC and dumb
that we have a system that is so easy to be gained by scum cunning brown beneficiaries who can get a few more
bucks and have a slave allocated to them and at the same time claw themselves up the list
for a state house.
How has New Zealand become so fucked up?

Who will address this problem ?
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December 27, 2011 5:32pm
hj

My theory on child abuse is that we allow feral behaviour in our communities. You recognise it in people with pitbulls with studded collars (for instance)*. We used to have a lot of crimes (reading ODT this morning re mugshots from the past) such as “uttering” but today it is o.k for villians to swagger and give the bird.
* Dog Control TV One or Two.
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December 27, 2011 6:06pm
Yvette

Warrior words over ‘Maori child abuse’ label claim
Maori are a warrior race prone to violence, and an academic’s call to stop referring to Maori child abuse is whitewashing the problem instead of dealing with it, a prominent iwi leader says.
Ngapuhi leader David Rankin hit back at an Auckland academic’s claim the increasing use of the term “Maori child abuse” is fuelling racism.
Rankin said Maori are a “violent people” and the term accurately reflects what some Maori parents are doing to their children.
“I am sick of academics trying to sanitise our behaviour,” Rankin said.
“We come from a warrior race but colonisation has meant that we no longer have any battles to fight and we have too much time on our hands so that violent energy is not used up.”
Rankin said Maori need to take ownership of the problem and stop trying to whitewash it.
“It’s time for us to take that warrior energy and deal to these thugs.”
Auckland University of Technology Maori history professor Paul Moon claimed in the last 18 months the racially-charged term of “Maori child abuse” has crept into public and Government use.

– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6192459/Warrior-words-over-Maori-child-abuse-label-claim
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December 27, 2011 6:40pm
Manolo

That’s calling a spade a spade. Fair dinkum.
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December 27, 2011 7:02pm
plebe

gander (42) Says:

December 27th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Why does Auckland University of Technology have a professor of Maori history?
Because the maori that bash their kids to death need a professor in Auckland to stroke their hurt feelings( seems simple to me) the child killers need a educated person (who needs a profile) to tell them that bashing is alright,and is the result of everything and everyone except the maori
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December 27, 2011 7:04pm
Steve

Now we have the Rangatira angainst the Academic.
Fight you Maoris. Where are Sharples and Turia?
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December 27, 2011 7:06pm
reid

That’s calling a spade a spade. Fair dinkum.

Yes it is. Shame the MSM publish it at a time when the whole thing is designed to get lost in the holiday madness. Let’s hope some of the lefties at TV3 pick up on it and think it’s weally mean against Maowi and make a huge massive deal about it.

Rankin said Maori need to take ownership of the problem and stop trying to whitewash it.

“It’s time for us to take that warrior energy and deal to these thugs.”

Fucken a, baby.
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December 27, 2011 7:12pm
bereal

Take the recent case of the feral Maori mother sentenced to 7 years for torturing her daughter.
25 odd social agencies involved.
But, they were all well meaning agencies. Doing their best.

Not programmed to recognise that some of what they were dealing with is just fuken scum.
This feral scum knew how to game the system.
So easy for her for so many years.
Even wrote to the Prime Minister expecting more money be given her.
Why was that ?
Because she could.
How could she do it so easily ?
How fucking dumb are we ?
Why couldn’t common sense have any place.

Social services need to learn from examples such as that and from what people
like Carmel Claridge say.

i commend this woman.
Her voice of reason, if listened to, could be a turning point.

However, in PC new Zealand.
Don’t hold your breath.
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December 27, 2011 7:35pm
Manolo

Where are Sharples and Turia?

Enjoying the baubles of power and doing absolutely nothing for their people.
Wait for the next round of useless huis.
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December 27, 2011 7:39pm
reid

Right, I’m really bored so here’s a line by line rebuttal of that useless academic’s worthless but no doubt almost univerally held view, within academia:

Moon called on the Government and media to stop referring to “Maori child abuse” when discussing New Zealand’s problem with violence towards children.

“New Zealand’s problem? It’s the fault of the entire country and everyone in it, is what he says. I see. This is because of poverty which everyone is responsible for, is the proffered rationale from the academic world on this. Well in that case, how come two families living side by side same income same neighbourhood same schools same jobs one father and/or mother beats the hell of his/her kids and the other doesn’t actually exist all over the land.

The counter to their idiot argument is right there in Repora or South Auckland or anywhere you find child abuse happening that in fact within the place you find it happening it’s a very very small proportion of the entire population of all the poor, badly educated people who live there, who beat the hell out of their children.

A statistician calls this a correlation and that’s all it is. How come out of every single one of you brainy academics, including amongst you many statisticians even, hardly any of you get that elementary, real-world, observable fact. It’s a correlation only, that’s ALL repeat ALL it is. So poverty does not CAUSE child abuse, does it. Therefore all NZ Aren’t responsible for it, are we.

Honestly anyone would think all of you had some sort of social engineering agenda the way you all carry on. So it’s not really “NZ’s problem” is it. It’s that small fraction of people who do it, isn’t it. It’s their fault, isn’t it. It’s not all of our fault, is it.

He accepted Maori child abuse rates were higher than Pakeha.

However, he said many Maori parents felt unfairly labelled as child abusers, despite being good parents.

“Child abuse is a crime, but it is applied to a whole ethnic group.”

No, it’s not “applied to a whole ethnic group.” The only people who think that Maori are the only people committing child abuse are racist rednecks (from ChCh probably) who wouldn’t give a shit how the crimes were described in the media, they already made up their minds long ago. Out of all the rest of us “normies,” just because lefties imagine racism lurks just below the surface in every single pakeha’s mind and if only we were allowed to we’d leap out and shake a golliwog at a passing Maowi all the fucking time, that’s not actually true.

“You don’t see any newspaper article about ‘Pakeha’ corporate crime. And if you did there would be an uproar because you’re racially profiling a whole ethnic group based on a tiny percentage.”

He said New Zealand has a history of stereotyping ethnicities, including the Japanese in the 1940s and Polynesians in the 1970s.

Now did you notice here this academic just stereotyped pakeha as committing corporate crime yet he then goes on to complaining about stereotyping. This is the same principal as feminist policy which is behind a lot of corporate HR these days, which is in favour of everyone else first apart from the white male. If you’re a gay maori female, you have shining career prospects. This has come about through decades of year by year boil the frog so no one notices and it will continue. The point is, stereotyping white corporate fraudsters (who are as we know all male) is not even noticed by this academic since all white males don’t matter, we need to be denigrated. Imagine what happens in lectures day after day with all these people and has been for decades now. This is why we are where are. Not white males but marriage and career and family are not what they are, thanks to people like Moon and thousands of other scum like him.

Moon said he sees a similar pattern recurring in the debate about Maori child abuse.

“By highlighting the ethnicity in this way, a stigma is placed on all Maori parents, and there is growing anecdotal evidence of this. To some extent, all Maori parents are tarred with this brush.”

Well of course he does. They’re victims. Evewyone is a victim. Maowi pawents are victims too. Oh dear. Allocate several mil to Te Puna Kokiri to do a study on whether and if so, how much, Maowi pawents feel they are victims of this dweadful hateful paintbwush and don’t forget to design the survey in the right way otherwise there won’t be any follow up money and your contract will need to be terminated after we’ve only paid you and the cuzies in the Rangatiritanga survey coy $2m in fees and that wouldn’t be too good, wud it. Chur.
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December 27, 2011 7:49pm
hj

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December 27, 2011 7:50pm
Steve

There are fish to be caught before high tide. Just in front of Aucklands CBD, yeah over by the hole over from off some place just there.
TTFN
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December 27, 2011 7:51pm
nasska

Two guys are moving about in a supermarket when their carts collide. One
says to the other, “Excuse me, but I’m looking for my wife.”

“What a coincidence, so am I, and I’m getting a little desperate.”

“Well, maybe I can help you. What does your wife look like?”

“She’s tall, with dark hair, long legs, firm tits, and a tight arse.
What’s your wife look like?”

“Never mind, let’s look for yours!”
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December 27, 2011 8:00pm
big bruv

Bugger…

Tendulkar out for 73.
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December 27, 2011 8:01pm
reid

Update on what Obama’s body man, Reggie Love has been doing since he left the WH as Obama’s “personal trainer.”

http://www.larrysinclair.org/2011/12/25/is-obama-body-man-reggie-love-being-paid-by-white-house-obama-for-america/
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December 27, 2011 8:12pm
Scott Chris

Rankin says:- “We come from a warrior race but colonisation has meant that we no longer have any battles to fight and we have too much time on our hands so that violent energy is not used up”

Oh bollox. Bashing kids has nothing to do with being a warrior race and everything to do with losing your values. For whatever reason.

A warrior doesn’t put his kid in a dryer or hang him from a clothes line. Someone without any self-respect might though.

Lotta brainless Maori bashing in this thread.
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December 27, 2011 8:14pm
bereal

Hey Scott,
Lotta contradiction in your effort above. As usual.

Who is bashing Maori in your mind ?
And if they were, would it be undeserved ?
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December 27, 2011 8:30pm
reid

Bashing kids has nothing to do with being a warrior race and everything to do with losing your values. For whatever reason.

Der Scott what he’s saying is, most races have certain traits and recognising that FACT is NOT racist or whatever but some lefties seem to think it is. Aren’t they mental.

One such trait Maori have in spades is they are warriors, from when we first met them to now. I don’t know how many Maori families you’ve known Scott but I’ve know known a few and in those I know I see internal squabbles all the time, as a result of their warrior blood. Since I noticed that I looked for it elsewhere and lo I see it all the time in committee disputes, intra and inter iwi, even in political parties; MP vs Hone. So to factor that trait in to a poorly educated possibly abused possibly thrown out of home early possibly damaged by drugs and bad company is a fairly relevant issue in terms of understanding the actual root cause of abuse as opposed to the sanitised version lefties want to talk about which doesn’t accuse anyone of anything nor commits lefty heresy such as stereotyping. If this prevents we as a society from ever being able to discuss in public the actual root causes and thus deal to them, then so be it, seem to be the lefty view Scott. Doesn’t it.

Fuck they are disgusting scum aren’t they.
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December 27, 2011 8:31pm
nasska

reid

Welcome back. Initially I wrote your absence off to a spot of Christmas exuberance on your behalf & presumed that you’d given the communion wine a bit of a nudge but after three days it was getting to be time to call out the cyber S&R.

Re your 7.49…….I would actually be quite happy to accommodate Mr Moon & his associated apologists for Maori child bashers. If we are prepared to don sackcloth & ashes & accept full responsibility for dealing with white collar ripoffs our Maori counterparts could accept the same for the kiddy killers.

There’s nothing unfair about Maori pointing the finger at Pakeha being responsible for most high level fraud. There’s also nothing unfair about Maori being accused of harbouring violent thugs.

By denying Moon’s statements we are giving the racist wanker a chance to deflect the horrible truth.
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December 27, 2011 8:34pm
Yvette

Thanks to Bradford, labels have become confused.
Is not ‘child abuse’ that in-politically correct treatment of youngsters – smacking and mild discipline.
Is not ‘Maori child abuse’ the bashing of children close to death, and sometimes all the way.
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December 27, 2011 8:38pm
reid

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2011/12/obama-year-three-continuing-his-rogue.html

If lefties aren’t disgusting scum, how come most of them still say they support Obama, even after he’s done what he’s done.

Don’t they have eyes? No, they don’t, is the answer.

They have tummies, and that’s what they follow.

See to criticise Obama is racist. It’s OK if he or she is white but not a black, that’s wacist.

And being wacist hurts their tummies.

Fuck reality, it’s my tummy I weally care about.
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December 27, 2011 8:39pm
JamesS

Surprise surprise – http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/6191251/Kiwifruit-disease-linked-to-China

They have stuffed the kiwifruit industry now let’s sell them the crafar farms to destroy the dairy industry!

These are corrupt, dirty bastards and we should have nothing to do with them.

I wonder how far political correctness will go? I wonder how impoverished we need to be, how many industries need to be destroyed, how many jobs need to be lost (etc) before anyone joins those of us who possess common sense, who do not wear blinkers and who call a spade a spade – ie: me – in agreeing with the truth about these people?

When we are a third world country, when our once great industries are destroyed, when we have 80% unemployment, when everything has been sold to the evil empire and we have no economy to speak of – I bet no one will stand up and say “gee, what fools we were; wish we had listened to that James Sinclair bloke”
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December 27, 2011 8:42pm
nasska

JamesS

Would it be okay if we say it in Mandarin?
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December 27, 2011 8:48pm
reid

Cheers nasska, nice to know you have the cyber S&R codes as well. Wink.

Quite agree with your point – we need to wear it. I think we also need to recognise that just as sometimes it’s also say Asians involved in corporate it’s also white trash involved in child abuse. My general point was I just hate it when they obfuscate like that which they do all the time in academia, for 90% of their audience just hear it and take it as read with no critical thinking whatsoever and gradually through repetition it seeps in and the academics know it and that’s why they do it.

I was hoping Santa would bring me a part for a special ray gun I’m building which would fix all of this but he didn’t and I was an especially good boy all fucking year. It’s not fucking fair. FU Santa.

So consequently I’m reduced to proposing solutions on KB after travelling to the North Pole only to find Santa was on holiday in the South Pacific after his exhausting busy period. FFS. It’s not fair.
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December 27, 2011 8:50pm
JamesS

Nasska – you will all be too busy in your slave labour camps to have the time. John Key – we are already tenants in our own land, we need to guard against becoming slaves.
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December 27, 2011 8:52pm
nasska

reid

Don’t you just hate it when Santa goes all alzheimers on us & instead of the fishing reel I ordered & the widget for your raygun you requested we ended up with socks.

It’s time to call out the IT experts & get the North Pole sorted.
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December 27, 2011 9:05pm
reid

JamesS first we need to understand when and how it arrived. If there are no such records that will be most suspicious and at that point we could move toward the initial start of the position you indicate but until then let’s wait and see.

If it was a sabotage then use cui bono (who benefits) and bear in mind that even if it was within the Chinese govt that has a much wider context than just getting an advantage in Kiwifruit trade and why risk an entire relationship over that.

Thanks for the link, I would have otherwise missed an important story. So our golden goose the gold kiwifruit is now redundant. Shit.

It’s time to call out the IT experts & get the North Pole sorted.

I’m just booking passage to the undisclosed SouthPac Island Santa is currently on so I can sort my widget nasska. I’ll talk to him about your fishing reel as well.
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December 27, 2011 9:10pm
sbk

“we need to guard against becoming slaves”…to late,just visit a mall on boxing day.
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December 27, 2011 9:13pm
nasska

reid

Ta.
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December 27, 2011 9:15pm
Scott Chris

reid

All the Germanic tribes are warriors as are the Nordic tribes and the Celts and the Romans and the Greeks and the Saracens.

Are you saying that our genes have magically changed in the last 200 years or so?

A proud warrior doesn’t bash his kids. A fuckwit with no culture and no conscience and a poor education and no self respect does.

And so the idealistic lefty thinks, ‘what we need to do is re-instill a sense of pride in this dysfunctional culture by engineering a renaissance so a Maori can be a proud warrior with a sense of honour and self-respect.

~Oh how fucking evil that is~

And then there is you with your hum buggery and abuse and with your mealy mouthed hate filled diatribes accusing the left of being exactly what you appear to be.

And you call yourself a Christian. Bah!
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December 27, 2011 9:41pm
reid

Sniper kills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvBiH8U5OuY&feature=related
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December 27, 2011 9:51pm
reid

Are you saying that our genes have magically changed in the last 200 years or so?

Not at all Scott. Heaven forfend.

No it’s quite obvious isn’t it our genes are a fuck of a longer way from when we were Celts than they are from when Maoris were like we Celts were. Therefore the “warrior” gene hasn’t been breed out of them by the same generational dilution as ours have. Der.

You probably think that’s racist but it’s not, that’s science and history.

A proud warrior doesn’t bash his kids. A fuckwit with no culture and no conscience and a poor education and no self respect does.

Yes Scott as I’ve said a million times the one and only key to alleviating both child abuse and also as a matter of fact poverty itself, is through education. Glad to see you’re on the same train here. The rest of it – culture comes anyway and self-respect comes from education.

And so the idealistic lefty thinks, ‘what we need to do is re-instill a sense of pride in this dysfunctional culture by engineering a renaissance so a Maori can be a proud warrior with a sense of honour and self-respect.

Yes one quite understands and one has for quite some time understood Scott that lefties do in fact believe this but my simple question is and has always been, if that is the case, why the fuck don’t lefties ever suggest anything whatsoever that will ever achieve that?

See I woulda thought for example my oft proffered idea of compulsory education for all beneficiaries with child care arranged and everyone required to attend and pass exams and good assessment of everyone’s needs and tailored courses as required would be ideal. But no lefty ever mentions it I assume cause they don’t like the compulsion aspect.

Thus overlooking the real world fact that the very people who need the most education least want it and in fact will resist actively the very idea of participating from day one.

And lefties call a policy that would overcome that “beneficiary bashing” thus perpetuating the wretched brutal and short life of those very folk they most actively proclaim to care about.

This is why I call myself a Christian Scott, because I love all people, but I’m afraid I’m interested in teaching people how to fish as well as in giving them some. Lefties of course have to fight that (teaching), it would erode forever their very base.

So hope you sleep well tonight Scott, knowing that you yourself are responsible for those poor people tonight, who had no Christmas and instead were beaten, all because you and people like you refuse to require them to become educated even if they don’t want to.

Oh the humanity Scott.
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December 27, 2011 10:05pm
pollywog

So poverty does not CAUSE child abuse, does it. Therefore all NZ Aren’t responsible for it, are we.

WRONG !!!
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December 27, 2011 10:46pm
reid

Why pw?
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December 27, 2011 10:53pm
Scott Chris

reid says:- “No it’s quite obvious isn’t it our genes are a fuck of a longer way from when we were Celts than they are from when Maoris were like we Celts were.”

Don’t know how you’re gonna breed the warrior out of us, seeing as we’re all warriors genetically. Where do you get the new stock from?

I don’t suppose the Dickensian character Fagan would have ended up in a coal mine or up a chimney or in a matchstick making factory. Only savages would treat their kids that way. And yet Dickens wrote Oliver Twist in 1839, one year before the Treaty of Waitangi was signed…..

I can imagine a Roman in Britain saying to his fellow soldier, “these Britons are fucking savages you know… have you seen the way they treat their kids? Fucking grubby weird looking pink barbarians. What they need is some good Roman blood to improve their breed… civilize the goat fuckers a bit, but really, they’re just an inferior breed.”

But you could forgive a Roman for thinking that as that because that was as far as thought had progressed at that time.
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December 27, 2011 11:26pm
pollywog

Why pw?

Because poverty CAN cause child abuse and in some cases does. It could even be argued that poverty is a form of child abuse. Therefore we as NZers all have a responsibility to erase poverty if we are serious about solving some forms of child abuse.

of course if you’re not serious and can’t handle the responsibility, then…as you were
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December 27, 2011 11:49pm
labours a joke

“It could even be argued that poverty is a form of child abuse”

Bollocks. Try again wog.
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December 28, 2011 12:45am
reid

Don’t know how you’re gonna breed the warrior out of us, seeing as we’re all warriors genetically. Where do you get the new stock from?

Scott I’m not sure where you get the idea I even want to do that, for I don’t. If you read what I said above, you’ll see I’m pointing to historical and scientific facts and that’s about it, really. If you choose to read something else into that mere observation of the drop-dead obvious then possibly you should examine your own thought patterns for a virus. It certainly sounds like you have one.

I don’t suppose the Dickensian character Fagan would have ended up in a coal mine or up a chimney or in a matchstick making factory. Only savages would treat their kids that way. And yet Dickens wrote Oliver Twist in 1839, one year before the Treaty of Waitangi was signed…

I think the girls made matches Scott so you’re right there, Fagan was a boy urchin wasn’t he. Those were the days. No unions. No OSH. They were great days for we conservatives Scott. Lefties are very selfish in the way they constantly try to deny us the utter and absolute right to relive those glory days aren’t they Scott.

Because poverty CAN cause child abuse and in some cases does. It could even be argued that poverty is a form of child abuse. Therefore we as NZers all have a responsibility to erase poverty if we are serious about solving some forms of child abuse.

How, given the example I gave above re: side by side cases where abuse happens in one case but not in the other and the fact abuse cases amongst poverty stricken families are rare, indicates a correlation but not a causation. I had hoped I wouldn’t need to repeat that. I’m not saying poverty doesn’t pw, I’m asking you, if it does, then precisely how, what are the dynamics, given those two groupings that really exist today in society in those proportions?

of course if you’re not serious and can’t handle the responsibility, then…as you were

pw if you don’t understand I wish poverty did not exist you understand nothing about me. The point is, I operate in pragmatic reality vis-a-vis eliminating it whereas you operate somewhere else, to me.
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December 28, 2011 1:01am
Manolo

The profligate Messiah: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/27/us-usa-treasury-debt-idUSTRE7BQ0KU20111227
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December 28, 2011 6:15am
Manolo

It could even be argued that poverty is a form of child abuse.

Another hare-brained theory. Absurd.
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December 28, 2011 6:31am
pollywog

If you deliberately bring a child into this world knowing it has little chance of survival and thereby inadevertantly deny it the opportunity to succeed…is that not a form of abuse ?

pw if you don’t understand I wish poverty did not exist you understand nothing about me.

I operate in pragmatic reality vis-a-vis eliminating it

if all you do is wish and talk shit online you’re not worth understanding. So what exactly are you doing in the real world to eliminate poverty ?

…and WTF is this supposed to mean ?

I’m not saying poverty doesn’t pw, I’m asking you, if it does, then precisely how, what are the dynamics, given those two groupings that really exist today in society in those proportions?

you just said previously it doesn’t. Make your fucken mind up !
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December 28, 2011 10:16am
LauraNorda

JamesS@8.42 and Reid@9.10am. It is quite simple. The PSA disease which has decimated the Kiwifruit industry came in from China on the pollen bought in from that country which was used to pollenate the Kiwifruit at flowering time, thereby giving a better fruit set and crop harvest. Applying Pollen at bud break is common practice in the Kiwifruit industry.

It was cheaper to bring the pollen in from China and mix and extend it with local New Zealand pollen than harvest and use solely New Zealand pollen. Just goes to show, buying cheap shit does not always pay.
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