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Viking2

Good Morning and Merry Xmas.

Amongst all the good, bad and ugly in NZ we have nice little gems.
This one from this week. enjoy

http://gewius.com/?p=183
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December 24, 2011 8:13am
Other_Andy

Torture mum wanted compo

The mother jailed last week for the “torture” of her daughter had written to Prime Minister John Key asking if the girl was entitled to compensation for allegedly being sexually abused while with whanau caregivers approved by Child, Youth and Family.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775151

So the ‘cry for help’ was in fact a cry for more money?
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December 24, 2011 8:41am
iMP

IRAQ: so, just hours after ‘evil America’ departs Iraq after 9 years reconstruction, 10 bombs go off, the worst unrest since 2006 occurs, and the President and minister-of-increasingly-everything (aka “emerging despot”) issues a warrant of arrest for his deputy. But that’s ok, because anti-American Liberals across the world will, as we speak, be pouring into Iraq to stand up for peace, to ‘occupy,’ and get everyone to hold hands in brotherhood…

I am so relieved.
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December 24, 2011 9:00am
Other_Andy

@IMP

Don’t worry, they’ll spin it.
It will be all Bush’s fault.
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December 24, 2011 9:04am
Scott Chris

Watch Out For Holiday Hazards:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775078

>> “People told [ACC] of injuries incurred while loading gear into a car or trailer, lifting a tent down from the attic, and while folding a camp chair.”

>> “Camping is a particularly perilous activity.”

>> “ACC records tell of damage caused by walking into a tree stump after dark, falling over a beer-filled chilly bin, being hit by exploding fireworks and getting caught in a tent rope.”

>> “People reported cartwheeling strains, a piggy-backing boyfriend twisting an ankle, and siblings running into each other while playing at the camping ground.”

In other words, if you take reasonable precautions you’ll probably be safe. Happy Holidays.
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December 24, 2011 9:33am
Keeping Stock

Well; who’d have ever thunk it? One of the Occupy Wellington spokesmen has a serious and long-term allergy; to working for a living:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/12/name-from-past.html

Sheesh; you could have knocked me down with a feather over that one… 🙂
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December 24, 2011 9:39am
thedavincimode

In other words, if you take reasonable precautions you’ll probably be safe.

By “reasonable precautions” Scott, I take it that you mean not venturing out at night because you ought to know you’ll get bashed, or ever turning your back on your kids because you ought to assume they’ll don’t get bashed/raped, or driving because you ought to know that you’ll get cleaned up by a drunk.

Yes, best to stay locked up inside with a keyboard. Like yourself for example.
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December 24, 2011 9:46am
jonnobanks

iMP, Bush was the one that signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. If the US still remained there, peace would have remained.
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December 24, 2011 9:56am
Scott Chris

davincimode says:- “Yes, best to stay locked up inside with a keyboard. Like yourself for example.”

Which part of ‘reasonable’ didn’t you understand? I’m talking about risk minimization *within reason* such as driving soberly and using a hat etc. Oh, and using less carbon 😉
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December 24, 2011 10:02am
thedavincimode

But Scott, being sober when I’m driving won’t protect me against your road rage tailgating tactics. 🙁

The fact that you admitted that you do it puts me on notice that there is danger out there and even if I drive sober and careful, that surely doesn’t absolve me of my own culpability in the event that you turn me into a damp patch on the road. Even if you are the primary culprit. Or would I be the primary culprit?

Or would I be safe provided I did nothing that offended you such that there was no need for you to indulge in your disciplinary driving tactics?
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December 24, 2011 10:24am
Manolo

Becoming emasculated, everything is risky, etc, etc: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775078&ref=rss
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December 24, 2011 10:41am
Scott Chris

Dav says:- “being sober when I’m driving won’t protect me against your road rage tailgating tactics.”

Yes it will. Your brain will be working better, so you’ll cope better. But you wouldn’t be tailgated by me anyway, because you’re not tailgater..

The only thing you can do to minimize your risk of dying or being injured on the road is to take reasonable precautions. Y’know, the ones Nanny bangs on about all the time. That will improve your odds of not dying on the road from say, one in a thousand to maybe one in two thousand.

And yes, I keep these figures up my ass.
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December 24, 2011 10:48am
Other_Andy

@jonnobanks

“If the US still remained there, peace would have remained.”

No jonnobanks, it wouldn’t have made a difference.
You can’t bring peace to a place where people do not want to have our kind of ‘peace’.
In countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan, and all those countries that have been culturally colonised by the Saudi’s, the word ‘peace’ has a different meaning.
Islam divides the world in Dar al Islam and Dar al harb (the house of peace and house of war).
Peace will come when only Islam exists and all other faiths and cultures/systems are conquered and destroyed by Islam. While all Muslims agree in principle, not all factions, especially Sunnis and Shiites, agree on the form Dar al Islam should take.
So the eternal bloodshed is influenced and sustained by religion.
Add to that the baked in tribal attitudes and the sense of fatalism (Insh’allah) and you have an, dare I say, insurmountable problem.
Leon Uris explained it perfectly in ‘The Haj’.
Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel.

‘Westerners’ such as George Bush, you and Pete George look at the situation with ‘Western eyes’.
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December 24, 2011 11:06am
nasska

The Herald have run an article on how the little girl abused so badly by her piece of shit mother was let down by many people. I appreciate that hindsight shows us a way to a perfect world which is never so obvious when one is fending off the alligators in the swamp but if we don’t learn by the mistakes made there is no hope.

Two points stand out:

1) The policy of keeping kids available to be recalled by their disfunctional family needs stood on it’s end. Similarly the cultural crap…..good foster parents, be they ‘Pasifikan’ or Pakeha are of more benefit to the kid than being beaten comatose by their natural ‘whanau’ or family. It’s too late to drown this political correctness claptrap at its nascency but now would be a good time to relegate it to academic discussions.

2) Not any one of those 25 contacts by agencies could have prevented the abuse but a pattern of say half a dozen should have been sufficient. The time for a central registry available to Police & Social Workers is well overdue. Something modeled along the police computer system should suffice.

Ref: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775075
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December 24, 2011 11:28am
labours a joke

Funny scottchris. You blow on at me on a previous thread about how Im this and that , Ive got nothing to say…Im a so and so. I read most of the posts on here scottchris and I generally only comment if someone/thing gets up my ass. Like you for instance scottchris. Everything you write is crap. All your comments are crap. Your mind lives in another universe. You dont think like a normal human. The thing that stands out for me and proves your fuckwittery the most is your recent diatribe on the poor little mite that was raped and beaten in her parents caravan up there in Turangi. Among other things you blame the parents for leaving her alone.
You are disgusting and revolting. I wish you and your ilk an unmerry xmas you ‘orrible little man.
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December 24, 2011 12:25pm
Scott Chris

laj

You still have nothing worthwhile to say. You’re too stupid to critique and idea, so you resort to abusing its messenger like a few other troglodytes on this blog.

Not that you’ll read it but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate
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December 24, 2011 1:00pm
bereal

labours a joke.
Your comments regarding Scott Chris are right on the money.
Full marks.
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December 24, 2011 1:29pm
bereal

Merry Christmas all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5cX_ncZLls
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December 24, 2011 1:43pm
Pete George

Maybe we need Play Police…

Playground ride to stay – council

Auckland Council says it won’t remove a piece of playground equipment a mother has called dangerous, after her child fractured her leg while using it.

The council says it has inspected the equipment, known as a dippy disc, and found it to be safe.

It says the child in question was using the equipment improperly by lying underneath it and spinning it with her legs.

However, the woman who made the complaint, says children will always use equipment improperly and it is up to the council to either make it safe or remove it.

I’m sure there will be kids injured by using Christmas presents improperly too, like incorrectly balancing on bikes and skateboards – there should be a clampdown there too.

And what about all the dangerous overeating of sweet and fatty foods!
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December 24, 2011 4:05pm
Tautaioleua

Hear hear Pete George!

In this cotton ball society of ours anything even ‘remotely’ dangerous is banned. Our children are smothered in cotton wool all in the name of “safety & precaution.”

It’s part and parcel of this “progressive” community that we have supposedly inherited.
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December 24, 2011 4:10pm
Other_Andy

@pete

It seems that ‘personal responsibility’ (and common sense) is a foreign concept these days.
In our current politically correct ‘progressive’ community (Thanks Tautaioleua) accidents do not exist anymore.
It is ALWAYS somebody else’s fault.

And about the ‘dangerous overeating of sweet and fatty foods!’
They will legislate against that very soon.
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December 24, 2011 4:25pm
Scott Chris

It may seem trivial but not to the parents of kids who injure or kill themselves.

For instance, swimming pools have pumps to filter the water. In the past, the inlet for the filter pumps was often located in the deep part of the pool, and occasionally the cover would be removed for one reason or another.

And a kid would sit on the inlet as some kids do, and their bowels would get sucked out of them.

Pays to make domestic equipment safe, and this can only be achieved through learning from experience and regulation.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,340332,00.html
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December 24, 2011 4:51pm
nasska

Scott Chris

Any accident involving any child is tragic to the parents & it would be a cruel person who deliberately exposed kids to undue risk. The problem is striking a balance between reducing risk & still allowing a child an interesting, physically challenging upbringing versus eliminating all risk & producing generations of fat, unhealthy nerds.

During my childhood & probably yours men pushed their kids to “give it a go” while women clucked around the scene twittering “be careful, wear a hat, be careful, where’s your shoes, be careful, watch for the traffic etc & ad infinitum. Thus there was equilibrium & basically we got on with doing what was needed to grow up.

A few decades later & for various reasons women have the upper hand in child raising. Single parent families are more likely to be headed by women, the teaching profession is dominated by women & the people charged with regulations concerning child welfare are women. Women are naturally risk averse hence the current crop of fat kids wrapped in cotton wool.

Certainly kids need protection from predators & adult stupidity but they need room to move & learn by mishap & experience. Coddling & neglect are both unhealthy….we need a balance but the pendulum is completely out of whack.
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December 24, 2011 5:14pm
bereal

These were the good old days.
you bought a 45 record “Time has come today”
and this was the B side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-C2ZK2c8RI
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December 24, 2011 5:18pm
labours a joke

Stop talking common sense Nasska. Take yourself outside for a damn good flogging.
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December 24, 2011 5:22pm
nasska

labours a joke

I think I may be a bit late with the message but empty sports fields & overcrowded family restaurants are going to cause a hell of a price yet to be paid in terms of mental & physical health.
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December 24, 2011 5:32pm
labours a joke

yeah but its ok cos scottchris said so.

You hit the nail on the head Nasska. I remember running around as a lad , falling out of trees , swinging off ropes , riding flat out down the road with no skid lid , making rafts out of nothing and paddling across lakes. They were the good ole’ days. You hurt yourself once , you didnt do it again. You thought for yourself. The cottonwooled namby pampy panty wearers a la scottchris have spoilt it. Rules and regs. Cant fart without filling out a form…
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December 24, 2011 5:42pm
Scott Chris

nasska

Those were the days before accident and health stats were published, so a farmer could buzz around on his open tractor with no hat on and a fag hanging out his mouth as he sprayed his crops with benlate. Some still do, and that’s fine imo, because the risks are well known.

But with kids, it’s totally different. Where is the line between over-protection and negligence? As you say, it’s a question of striking the right balance.

And it’s only a temporary state of affairs. In less than a 50 years, I expect most kids will have a drone nanny who will accompany them to keep them safe, possibly in the form of an implant…….as will criminals, to prevent them from doing harm.
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December 24, 2011 5:43pm
bereal

Scott Chris @ 4.51
lets guess.
You were one of those kids whose bowels were sucked out of them at the swimming pool.
Changed your whole life, right ?
Where was your Mum ?, thats what i want to know,
she must have been responsible.
Why wasn’t she watching out for poor little Scott Chris ?
The poor sod.
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December 24, 2011 5:51pm
labours a joke

LOL Bereal !
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December 24, 2011 5:53pm
nasska

Scott Chris

As far as farm safety goes I reckon that if you are up to speed with the dangers & have been doing the same thing for forty years without mishap then Health & Safety can stay south of the mailbox. In practise this is what happens until you take on an employee & all of a sudden you have to do their thinking for them as well. Hence no employees.

As far as the kids are concerned I agree that it is hard to know where to draw the line. My gut feeling is that the line has wandered far too far into territory labeled “caution at all cost”. Read “labour is a joke’s” 5.42pm…that was my childhood too & although a few of my mates suffered the odd cuts & fractures I can’t think of any who didn’t make it to school leaving age in one piece.

After that the story changed…..young buggers, half pissed & cocksure at the wheel of crap cars provide good business for undertakers.

Re the drone nanny….thank the stars I won’t live long enough to see it happen!
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December 24, 2011 6:00pm
Other_Andy

Aw, this made me cry.

This Santa fulfills a girl’s difficult wish

When Santa showed up at Tar River Elementary near Raleigh, N.C., he not only brought gifts — he brought every second-grader the exact toy they’d asked for in their letters.
“Did everybody get what they wanted?” Santa asked the kids.
“Thank you!” they said.
Every kid that is – except for Bethany Arnold, who refused to ask him for a single toy.
In the letter, Bethany wrote: “Dear Santa, my daddy is in Iraq. Could you bring him home for Christmas?”
“Did you know you were asking for something that was kind of tough?” Hartman asked Bethany.
“Yes,” she said, “but it’s tough to go around the world in one night, and I’ve never wanted anything more than that.”

See video….

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57347978/this-santa-fulfills-a-girls-difficult-wish/

I am becoming a sentimental old bugger.
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December 24, 2011 6:48pm
Manolo

California’s equivalent to the Luddites’s projects: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/23/high-speed-rail-project-in-california-under-scrutiny/
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December 24, 2011 7:08pm
Scott Chris

Heh. Looks like beryl’s got a boyfriend called laj.

Thinks stories of kids having their bowels sucked out are funny.

~Classy~

I’ve formed a mental image of their wedding photo:

http://www.herospy.com/wp-content/herospy2006/odds%20and%20ends/redneck_Wedding006.jpg
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December 24, 2011 7:15pm
Steve

Was waiting for the post 7pm jokes. I have a few but wait for the new year.
Merry Christmas to all, even the lefties.
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December 24, 2011 7:22pm
Steve

Scott Chris,
“I’ve formed a mental image of their wedding photo”

What time do they put the straightjacket back on? and wash the foam? Is it drugs or alcahol that controls you?
More likely ego Trevor Mallard
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December 24, 2011 7:29pm
bereal

try again 5.18
sum sing went rong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d4-_BliGko
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December 24, 2011 7:41pm
nasska

Pamela Anderson was offered a bit part in one of the first
new “Adult Westerns” to be made this year. After reading the script,
she roars up to the director, and says, “I absolutely refuse to play
this scene.”

Looking at the script, the director says, “But Pam baby-doll, all you
have to do is point out the direction the outlaws took when the sheriff
and his posse ride up to you.”

“I know!” she fumed. “But look what I’m pointing with. The script says
I’m supposed to place both hands behind my back and take a deep breath,
turn north and say ‘They went that-a-way’.”
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December 24, 2011 7:48pm
nasska

Other_Andy

Beautiful Christmas story…now we’ve got two sentimental old buggers.
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December 24, 2011 7:58pm
labours a joke

bedtime scottchris..run along now wee fella.
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December 24, 2011 8:08pm

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