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Elaycee

How refreshing that the completion of Labour’s electoral rout has coincided with the dramatic falloff in comments from those running interference recently – the usual trolls, John Key conspiracy theorists, morons and even the self confessed boy racers.

Its gonna be a beautiful day… 😀
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December 1, 2011 8:06am
Pete George

We don’t get to choose the new Labour leader but we get to play their game.

Two political wonks versus unpolished and speaks like one of us.

Actually, whether they intended it or not, we may get to decide who leads Labour if the weight of support public support is too much to be ignored.
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December 1, 2011 8:08am
Murray

Nothing like a self seclecting dickhead free zone Elaycee.
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December 1, 2011 8:25am
Elaycee

@Murray – shortly off to a meeting near Body Odour Central in AKL.

Maybe I should pack one of those high volume canned airhorns to wake them all up? 😛
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December 1, 2011 9:04am
nasska

Elaycee

You could try lobbing a few sticks of underarm deodorant over the fence…..It could cause panic & alarm far exceeding any trespass notices being served.
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December 1, 2011 9:18am
Murray

Take a box of soap and use them like grenades. That’ll clear the area.
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December 1, 2011 9:21am
Ender

Direct quote from The Standard this morning:

Adrian: “Labour’s problem was that it ran an honest campaign, no lies no bullshit, whereas Nationals was all lies.”

Hahahahaha

“UNDER NATIONAL YOU WON’T BE AROUND TO CELEBRATE HER 1ST BIRTHDAY”

I think that sums it up pretty well.
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December 1, 2011 9:38am
Keeping Stock

Roll on 1pm, when the cricket season begins…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/12/we-dont-like-cricket.html
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December 1, 2011 9:39am
Murray

I approve of that level of self deception Enfer. It’ll keep them in opposition forever.
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December 1, 2011 9:43am
Manolo

Black is white these days according to the ultimate hypocrite: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/30/obama_since_ive_taken_office_ive_cut_your_taxes.html
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December 1, 2011 10:13am
Viking2

Elaycee. They are noticeable by their absence. Must of had to go back to working for a living. tough shit.

BUT they willbe back. bugger.

Meantime we can discuss moving the Nats. to the right a lot more once more. Hehe.

But there are still some nice interesting things about Kiwiland.

http://gewius.com/?page_id=61
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December 1, 2011 10:14am
graham

Ender:

I gave up reading The Standard a few months ago – found it far too nasty and vindictive. However I did break my own rule a couple of days ago, and it seems that Labour and their supporters JUST DON’T GET IT!!!

Labour (and Mana, for that matter – man I’m so relieved that Sue Bradford and John Minto didn’t get in to Parliament) were really spiteful, vindictive, and seemed to stoop to new lows. Sue Bradford, in particular, was quite vicious. However, I saw a post on The Standard which from memory (no, I’m not going back there) talked about this aspect, and basically said “harden up” and blamed the right for making it all about them and trying to be the victim.

News flash – the “right” is NOT trying to be the victim. Questions were asked about how Labour failed so spectacularly, and this is one aspect that was mentioned. If you don’t like the answers, and you’re going to try and argue against them, well … I don’t know what else to suggest.
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December 1, 2011 10:49am
Elaycee

Back from a meeting in the CBD.

Body Odour Central in Auckland looks like the land adjacent to the runway at Mumbai Airport – it resembles a refugee camp but in the case of BOC it is frequented by a small number of unkempt, unwashed layabouts. Not sure where everyone was (several tents but not many people) – so maybe they were still sponging breakfast off the City Mission over the road. Who knows?

But where there was once a nice grass surface, its now completely stuffed. Apparently, some tent pegs have been driven through the surface and through the waterproofing membrane that protects the carpark underneath – so now this is now leaking. The restoration costs for BOC will be significant – the ratepayers (of course) will have to pick up the tab, together with the ongoing costs of the security guards there courtesy of Len Brown’s Auckland Council.

A shambles all round.
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December 1, 2011 11:51am
Manolo

Too many do-gooders in Australia: http://www.news.com.au/national/lift-refugee-intake-by-50pc-bowen/story-e6frfkvr-1226210836710
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December 1, 2011 11:59am
dime

The Standard is funny today. Some seem on the verge of tears. A few are proclaiming that National is turning workers into slaves haha funny shit
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December 1, 2011 12:12pm
Elaycee

@dime – remember to use eyewash afterwards.

Plenty of it. 😀
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December 1, 2011 12:16pm
graham

Elaycee:

Last time I was there, the grass between the tents was not mown and consequently knee-high – nice little fire risk there. Is this still the case?
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December 1, 2011 12:18pm
joana

Why is the Iraqi codger who went nuts in the CYF office in Christchurch out on bail? NZers who do a lot less are often denied bail. This man is a dangerous menace.
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December 1, 2011 12:38pm
plebe

Nothing is as sad as a bunch of rightests,posting here,trying to sound tough talking about anyone they dont like.I could have said pathetic, but then im polite and dont judge people or events ,always in a negative light.
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December 1, 2011 12:43pm
graham

Do tell, plebe – who exactly are you talking about?
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December 1, 2011 12:46pm
Murray

He’s not Iraqi joana, hes a New Zealander. got his citizenship, yay him another big plus to the country thanks to multiculteralism.

Go get your nappy changed plebe. And learn to capitalise and put spaces between your sentences.
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December 1, 2011 12:49pm
big bruv

I am really, really enjoying the pain of the scum over at the Standard. 🙂
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December 1, 2011 12:54pm
Monique Watson

Socialism turns people into bullies. Wonder how this Mum votes:

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/
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December 1, 2011 12:57pm
Elaycee

@graham – grass is certainly long in places but in some areas its yellow and in others again its completely bare.

The entire area will need to be dug up and re-sown. After someone has repaired the waterproof membrane designed to stop rainwater from seeping into the car park.

Of course, the long suffering rate payer will be left holding the tab.
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December 1, 2011 1:01pm
travellerev

Here are my top 5 scariest events under way that either not or barely make it into the mainstream media: http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/the-top-5-of-things-that-scare-me-the-most-today/
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December 1, 2011 1:04pm
Elaycee

@plebe – if you were a ratepayer (or a taxpayer) then you’d understand why people like me get pissed off because these toe rags have decided to squat on public property at a time when they should be gainfully employed (and paying tax) rather than receiving a benefit.

You see, most on the right have no issues with the principle of tax dollars supporting genuine cases of need (via benefits). But we draw the line at the prospect of career bludgers receiving a taxpayer funded lifestyle. And career protesters lurching from protest to protest in order to try and gain ‘notoriety’ via a fawning media.

But I suppose you’d have to be a taxpayer to actually feel the frustration….
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December 1, 2011 1:15pm
RightNow

Travellerev…. nah, never mind.
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December 1, 2011 1:21pm
Scott Chris

Monique Watson says:- “Socialism turns people into bullies”

I disagree. Bullying can happen in any relationship where there is a power imbalance and a desire to subjugate and control. Those conditions aren’t exclusive to socialism.

Some of the buzzards that hang out on Kblog are quintessential bullies. I doubt socialism made them that way.
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December 1, 2011 1:25pm
Murray

Your argument is flawed Scott. Monique said socialism turns people into bullies, not all bullies are socialists.

You have demonstrated that bullies exist outside scialism, nothing more. You have made no effort to examine the bullying nature of socialism. In short you failed to address the question.

Fail Scott.
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December 1, 2011 1:33pm
plebe

But I suppose you’d have to be a taxpayer to actually feel the frustration….

I am a ratepayer,but lifes to short to get pissed of over nothing, but then hell you lot have banks, that would piss me off
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December 1, 2011 1:41pm
tom hunter

Oh dear. Looks like another Iranian nuclear facility has exploded.

What’s really funny about this is that the Iranians themselves are not jumping up and down about those terrible Jews, let alone the Great Satan. Instead it’s a similar sort of response as for the last explosion – denial of an attack, a claim that it was an accident, the replacement of that story with a complete denial that anything happened:

Iran claimed that the Tehran explosion occurred during testing on a new weapons system designed to strike at Israel.
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Alireza Zaker-Isfahani, the city’s governor, claimed that the blast had been caused by a military exercise in the area but state-owned agencies in Tehran soon removed this story and issued a government denial that any explosion had taken place at all.

But it’s the initial response that I find of most interest. It’s so much like the absolute refusal of Syria to “condemn” Israel for the attack on it’s nuclear reactor development a couple of years ago. As I recall the only formal protest came from …. North Korea – which added to the intrigue since satellite pictures showed a reactor that looked damned near identical to ones in NK! From the Arabic world – not a whisper!

By contrast the Israeli’s aren’t even in the mood to obfuscate the matter anymore:

On Monday, Dan Meridor. the Israeli Intelligence Minister, said: “There are countries who impose economic sanctions and there are countries who act in other ways in dealing with the Iranian nuclear threat.”

So when Iran, Syria and others feel that Israel rationally won’t do anything serious – that’s when the propaganda claims about nefarious Jewish activities are made to the global media in all their bloodcurdling intensity. But when Israel apparently gets serious – the Iranian/Arabic propaganda machine goes quiet.

Why it’s almost as if Iran and company are trying to teach us a lesson about how they deal differently with actions designed to get into their good graces and supposedly prevent them reacting badly – vs. actions designed to club them over the head.
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December 1, 2011 1:54pm
joana

Very interesting Tom hunter.
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December 1, 2011 2:17pm
joana

Another ”father from another culture” smacked his daughter up in Queenstown. Noone in the family came to her aid. Why have we imported all these wackjob men? Well at least they and their offspring will keep social workers employed.
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December 1, 2011 2:20pm
Johnboy

Bellicose ranting at your sworn enemy to keep your populace happy but when that enemy deals you a mortal blow utter silence so that your people don’t start to realise that their leaders are useless posturing twits perhaps Tom.

It is the Arab way.
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December 1, 2011 2:26pm
tom hunter

It is the Arab way.

Oh indeed. There’s at least a 60 year history of that when it comes to Israel. I can’t think of a single Israeli-Arabic conflict that has not been preceded by a whole lot of bellicose roaring about what was going to happen to the Yids at the hands of The-Great-and-Noble-Armies-of-the-Prophet-And-The-Sword. The vast quantities of powerful and sophisticated new weapons with which they were equipped; the confidence and high morale of the armies; the willpower and ferocious warrior skills before which the Jews would be swept into the sea.

As a well-known Jewish comic said: yada, yada, yada!

And then something bad happens to the aforesaid posturing twits!
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December 1, 2011 2:38pm
Johnboy

Perhaps ‘Mazel tov’ would be the best way to describe recent loud bangs in Iran Tom! 🙂
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December 1, 2011 2:44pm
JamesS

The community newspaper the ‘Wellingtonian’ just arrived; has an interview with David Farrar in it which is quite interesting.

However was just pissing myself laughing at the Editorial in the Wellingtonian because it seems the last 5 days have all been a dream; despite the polls, despite the massive party vote swing to National, despite the collapse in support to 1920s levels, apparently the election was a great victory – wait for it – for Labour.

Enough said.
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December 1, 2011 4:30pm
Monique Watson

Thanks Scott Chris and Murray I was just examining my logic. I agree there are bullies elsewhere. I believe the following, based on personal experience with both cults and bullies 🙂

Labour has become a cult. It’s dogmatic and ideological.
Cultish thinking is characterized by an inner clique surrounding a charismatic leader. Generally you find rigid adherence to unspoken rules. I call it “Rigidityville”. Those who step outside these bounds are frowned upon and bullied.
Original members call to themselves similar types who instinctively speak the same dialect. These types thrive. The “weaker types” with beliefs that are watered down with some ability to relate to others with opposite views are culled.
Cults only ever appeal to a limited audience. By their (exclusive) nature they are self-limiting.
The cultish nature of Labour was all very well when a savvy charismatic leader held the reins of power tighter than a virgin sphincter. Now Beloved Leader has departed, the ideology remains, but the political compass is corrupt.
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December 1, 2011 4:57pm
plebe

Its the first day of summer and we are playing Australia in cricket, and low and behold THE SLACK CAPS ARE BACK, nothing changes, what a bunch of useless tossers, can they open a beer bottle without cutting them selves
(please righties), dont ask me of my sporting skills, remember im not a SLACK CAP representing NZ, i try hard in my sport (the slack caps are thought of as jokes) and DONT try hard.
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December 1, 2011 5:01pm
chiz

The attacks on the embassies in Iran were supposedly in response to new sanctions but its hard not to wonder whether its really a response to the Iranian facilities being destroyed. Maybe the reasons the Iranians aren’t saying anything publicly about the explosions is because they’ve decided on a harder more direct response. Perhaps a covert war is starting.
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December 1, 2011 5:04pm
Johnboy

The covert war started a long time ago chiz. At the moment its Jews 2, Ayatollahs 0.

Watch this space for updates to the score! 🙂

ps: Don’t buy pork futures. 🙂
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December 1, 2011 7:03pm
wreck1080

New Zealands latest export, child abuse….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10770164

At least justice will be more forthcoming in the Aussie courts. Unlike in New Zealand where child killers are treated lightly by the law.
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December 1, 2011 7:11pm
nasska

It’s not difficult to make a woman happy.
A man only needs to be:

1. a friend
2. a companion
3. a lover
4. a brother
5. a father
6. a master
7. a chef
8. an electrician
9. a carpenter
10. a plumber
11. a mechanic
12. a decorator
13.. a stylist
14. a sexologist
15. a gynecologist
16. a psychologist
17. a pest exterminator
18. a psychiatrist
19. a healer
20. a good listener
21. an organizer
22. a good father
23. very clean
24. sympathetic
25. athletic
26. warm
27. attentive
28. gallant
29. intelligent
30. funny
31. creative
32. tender
33. strong
34. understanding
35. tolerant
36. prudent
37. ambitious
38. capable
39. courageous
40. Determined!
41. true
42. dependable
43. passionate
44. compassionate

WITHOUT FORGETTING TO:

45. give her compliments regularly
46. love shopping
47. be honest
48. be very rich
49. not stress her out
50. not look at other girls

AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU MUST ALSO:

51. give her lots of attention, but expect little yourself
52. give her lots of time, especially time for herself
53. give her lots of space, never worrying about where she goes

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT:

54. Never to forget:
* birthdays
* anniversaries
* arrangements she makes

HOW TO MAKE A MAN HAPPY

1. Show up naked
2. Bring Alcohol
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December 1, 2011 8:00pm
Johnboy

Gee that’s just beautiful nasska.

If you have all of those skills and a nice wooly coat with minimal dags I will marry you! 🙂
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December 1, 2011 8:13pm
nasska

Johnboy

You’d better stay with Flossie. Imagine the headlines in the “Straight Furrow”…….Farmer Charged with Adultery – Ewe abandoned & dies from a broken heart.
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December 1, 2011 8:22pm
Johnboy

I have broad shoulders nasska. For 17, 23, 28, 36, 43 and 2 in the last section. I am prepared to convert to dairy. 🙂
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December 1, 2011 8:41pm
nasska

One day a boy walked into a pharmacy. He walked around for a while until he found what he was looking for. He grabbed a box of ribbed condoms, walked up to the checkout, and slapped them on the counter. The chemist looking suspiciously at the young boy, said, “Well son, here you go, that’ll be $8. The boy pulled out a $10 note, handed it to the man, and the chemist asked him, “Now, boy, do you know what the ribs are for?”

The boy answered, “No sir I don’t, but they sure make the hair on my goat’s back stand up!”
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December 1, 2011 8:46pm
Johnboy

We ride our goats bareback in Wainui nasska save your $8 when you mosey on over.
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December 1, 2011 8:50pm
Put it away

Oh dear, those clumsy Iranians, blowing up another of their nuclear weapons facilities. Whoops-a-daisy!
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December 1, 2011 9:18pm
TimG_Oz

Just waiting for the Greens to denounce Iranian nuclear power as dangerous as they did for Japan!
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December 1, 2011 9:31pm
Put it away

Think you’ll be waiting a while there
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December 1, 2011 9:36pm
Johnboy

Be fair Guys. The Greenies did predict rising sea levels and lets face it, it was a sudden rise in sea level that fucked Fukushima.

The Godless Greenies have never predicted that acts of Yahweh or his disciples would cause disaster! 🙂
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December 1, 2011 9:47pm
Nookin

A ventriloquist cowboy walked into town and saw Johnboy sitting on his porch with his dog.

Cowboy: Hey, cool dog. Mind if I speak to him?

Johnboy: This dog don’t talk!

Cowboy: Hey dog, how’s it going?

Dog: I’m Doing alright

Johnboy: (Extreme look of shock)

Cowboy: Is this your owner? (pointing at Johnboy)

Dog: Yep.

Cowboy: How’s he treat you?

Dog: Real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food, and takes me to the
lake once a week to play.

Johnboy: (Look of disbelief)

Cowboy: Mind if I talk to your horse?

Johnboy: Horses don’t talk!

Cowboy: Hey horse, how’s it going?

Horse: Not bad.

Johnboy: (An even wilder look of shock)

Cowboy: Is this your owner? (pointing at Johnboy)

Horse: Yep.

Cowboy: How’s he treat you?

Horse: Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down
often, and keeps me in the barn to protect me from the elements.

Johnboy: (total look of amazement)

Cowboy: Mind if I talk to your SHEEP?

Johnboy: (gesticulating wildly, and hardly able to talk)…… Them sheep ain’t nothin but liars!
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December 1, 2011 10:00pm
nasska

Wainuiomata…where men are men & sheep are nervous.
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December 1, 2011 10:09pm
Johnboy

If you are a nervous man nasska (as I think you are) never wear the nice wooly jumper your Mum knitted you if you pop over the hill to Wainui. 🙂
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December 1, 2011 10:26pm
Johnboy

Nookin. All my sheep have had lobotomy’s. Before I retired to farming I was a Psychiatrist. 🙂
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