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ciaron

For all those working; ONE MORE WEEK TO GO!

For those already on holiday; Sod off you jammy buggers! 🙂

For those working through; Shit.
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December 19, 2011 8:16am
immigant

5 more days of Horrors of work.

Meanwhile in NZ -http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10774037
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December 19, 2011 8:17am
Pete George

There’s some very unhappy Labour campers around, the sound of hissing may be pissing on their own BBQ.
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December 19, 2011 8:17am
big bruv

Hang on a minute ciaron.

Why are you having holidays?, are you not being held back from earning extra money?, are you being told by the government that you have to stop working?…what about your student loan???…what about those who love to work Xmas day and New Years?

Or does that only matter at Easter?

P.S..and I do hope that all of you who get all bent out of shape over the Easter trading hours are being true to your word and working right through the holiday period (including the stat holidays)
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December 19, 2011 8:20am
Lee C

What’s yur opinion – Was Waitakere an isolated freak occurrence, or would similar scrutiny reveal more dodgy voting in other seats? Is this a wake up call and shouldn’t we review how our votes are counted, if every duff vote can effectively cancel out a real one with impunity?
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December 19, 2011 8:25am
flipper

Lee CX

Yep, probably the tip of the iceberg…..especially in areas where Labour has a big majority and finding the miscreants is not worth the trouble. Come to think of it though, where could it end? Will we have to adopt middle-east like precautions? Sad business. One hopes that Labour decides to launch the petition. Silly buggers that they are.
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December 19, 2011 8:44am
ciaron

Bruv;
I hope your sense of humour arrives in time for Christmas.
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December 19, 2011 8:45am
DavidC

PG @ 8.17
Indeed there are. Reading the “easy come easy go” post (Bennett beating Septic) is great entertainment.
Great comments by a green party guy telling mickeysavage to go f**k himself for trying to rewrite history wrt a deal that was never done for the greens to support Septic openly.
Sounds like MS just fu*ked it up !
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December 19, 2011 8:59am
KiwiGreg

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10774041

So poor she cant afford a bed but had $9 to throw at Lotto. Good on her for winning but how many weeks of $9 had she wasted and how are your priorities being set.

I really dont like Lotto. It’s state owned, it targets the working poor and beneficiaries with its advertising, and it’s set up to create dependency on the state for charities instead of relying on traditional donations. Privatise the thing.
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December 19, 2011 9:05am
Pete George

If Lotto was privatised it would probably just become more efficient at fleecing the sheep who can least afford it.
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December 19, 2011 9:29am
hmmokrightitis

@DavidC

Im sure MS will be along soon to correct us, and inform us that labour is putting together a petition to the Courts for a Review, and he will himself be fronting up with a cheque to cover recount costs. Or not. 🙂 The stupidity of arguing on a blog, in public. This is one lawyer who gives the rest a bad name.

But Mickey, oh Mickey, please do keep going, its a beautiful thing to watch. What next, scratchign eyes out? What will you do when Cunners goes stage left in a purple hissy fit? Will he mix it with Mana, or would that offend his right wing beliefs?
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December 19, 2011 9:30am
jonnobanks

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6158896/Tax-cuts-no-longer-a-National-priority

Of course they are not, with this Labour-lite government. Bet tax increases will be however.
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December 19, 2011 9:46am
MT_Tinman

big bruv (9,708) Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:20 am

P.S..and I do hope that all of you who get all bent out of shape over the Easter trading hours are being true to your word and working right through the holiday period (including the stat holidays)

I for one will be happily working through, including “stat” holidays.
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December 19, 2011 10:00am
Scott Chris

I don’t have a problem with Lotto. It’s a mugs game, but in the long run you’ll get back 80% of your ‘investment’ on average and you have the added benefit of the sense of anticipation which accompanies a fool’s hope.

Mostly harmless and the entertainment value probably outweighs it’s cost to your average mug. Yeah, it’s a good thing in moderation.
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December 19, 2011 10:04am
wreck1080

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6158995/70-000-pay-boost-for-council-boss

Christchurch City Council chief executive Tony Marryatt has received a $68,129 pay rise, taking his salary from $470,400 to $538,529 a year effective from July 1, 2011.

They say, he deserves the rise because of the earthquake. Does this mean everyone affected by the earthquake should get a 15% pay rise?

This is crap, because it has just raised the average salary for CEO’s, so now our CEO will get a similar raise.

I’d say, this guy would do the job for 250k , not a bad deal at all.

Damn.
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December 19, 2011 10:12am
dime

lmao you get back 80% of your investment playing lotto?
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December 19, 2011 10:18am
Other_Andy

Redundancies expected at Ports of Auckland

Ports of Auckland have told staff that redundancies are “almost inevitable” given the loss of a major $20m shipping contract, but the Maritime Union of New Zealand disagrees.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6160675/Redundancies-expected-at-Ports-of-Auckland

It couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch.
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December 19, 2011 10:29am
dime

other_andy – hehehe

sadly their will be no change in income for the union officials who once again fucked over a bunch of their own members.
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December 19, 2011 10:33am
Other_Andy

@wreck1080

The ratepayers are getting milked for all their worth.
Council salaries all over New Zealand are through the roof.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/capital-debate/5661394/Capital-debate-Are-council-bosses-salaries-fair

Wellington City Council CEO $419,230
Auckland City Council CEO $743.000
Christchurch City Council CEO $538,529

More than the Prime Minister of New Zealand ($400,500)
The Auckland City Council CEO ‘earns’ more than the Australian Prime Minister ($630,000)

It’s a rort and they are robbing the ratepayers blind.
Everybody has a hard time making ends meet and they are rewarding themselves with pay rises, the equivalent of a families wage.
It is time the Government steps in and cuts them down to size.
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December 19, 2011 10:45am
Falafulu Fisi

Scott Chris, would you care to explain of how dark matter had been hypothesized that it exist? On what basis its hypothesis was based on? Are you aware that one of the methods in the confirmation of a black hole existence is its formation as a binary (star) with another visible star? Angular momentum conservation is used.

I would be interested to see your explanation of how dark matter had come to be hypothesized that it exist in the first place?
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December 19, 2011 10:47am
reid

Was Waitakere an isolated freak occurrence, or would similar scrutiny reveal more dodgy voting in other seats?

Kiely revealed 425 declared votes were disallowed – nine were dual votes, 393 ineligible votes and 12 were not authorised by a witness.

“Those 393, not only were they not on the roll in Waitakere, but they weren’t enrolled anywhere.”

So what some journo needs to find out is which party(s) those disallowed were voting for.

Also how the counting process allowed those 393 to be counted in the first place when they weren’t even on the roll. For example, who were the registrars who passed those votes as eligible?

Also the country origins of the disallowed postals and the polling stations of the disallowed polled votes.

Let’s hope they tell us all of that very soon, like this afternoon.
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December 19, 2011 10:48am
dime

Ive decided Shearer is a moron.

From some speech he gave:

“We are running into the limits of this country’s resources. Ever since colonisation, first by Maori and then by Pakeha, greater wealth has come through greater exploitation of the bounty of our beautiful islands and the sea. But we cannot get richer any longer by this path: there is only so much water in our rivers, only so much arable land, only so many fish in the sea. We have to use what we have more smartly, not just hope to find more natural resources to sell.”

Umm what about digging some shit up? seems to work for countless other countries.
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December 19, 2011 11:00am
reid

Ten USAF air-launched ~~guns~~ weapons that make a really loud bang:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/future-air-weapons/?mbid=ob_ppc_dangerroom&pid=975&viewall=true
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December 19, 2011 11:00am
Scott Chris

dime says:- “lmao you get back 80% of your investment playing lotto?”

Yup. If you buy a ticket once a week for 40 years, *on average* you’ll spend maybe $20,000, and win back $16,000 excluding interest etc.

So you lose $4,000 plus compound interest differential, which is the price you pay for the entertainment it provides. (or your folly depending on how you see things)

And if your chance on each ticket is one in a million to win the big one, then if you buy a ticket each week for fourty years, your chances of winning the big one once in all that time increase to one in five hundred. Still fucked odds.

Like I say. It’s a mugs game. I don’t buy lotto tickets.
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December 19, 2011 11:02am
Fletch

Thousands rally to save nativity scene –

As many as 5,000 attended a rally in a small Texas community to show their support for a Nativity scene under attack by a Wisconsin-based atheist group, according to a minister who organized the event.

“We are humbled at the turnout of the crowd,” said Nathan Lorick, the pastor of the First Baptist Church in Malakoff and one of the organizers of Saturday’s rally in Athens.
“We believe that God led us to do this and so we knew he was up to something great,” he told Fox News & Commentary in an email message. “This message is resonating in the hearts of people all over the country. This was a real statement to the nation that Christians are tired of the persecution and suppression. We want all to know that we are ready to contend for the faith.”

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a group based in Wisconsin, sent a letter to Henderson County explaining that a local resident had complained and they wanted the Nativity removed from the courthouse lawn.
The FFRF alleged that the Nativity sent a message of intimidation and exclusion to non-Christians.
But their attack prompted a tremendous outcry not just in Henderson County, but across the nation.
The Texas Attorney General offered to defend the county in the event the atheists sued, arguing that the county has no legal obligation to remove the Nativity scene from the courthouse grounds.
“Our message to the atheists is don’t mess with Texas and our Nativity scenes or the Ten Commandments,” Attorney General Greg Abbott told Fox News & Commentary. “I want the Freedom From Religion Foundation to know that our office has a history of defending religious displays in this state.”
Attorney General Abbott said the organization is trying to “bully local governmental bodies” and he said he wanted to make sure Henderson County knows “there is a person, a lawyer and an organization in this state that has their back, that has the law, that has the muscle and firepower to go toe-to-toe with these organizations that come from out of state trying to bully governmental bodies into tearing down things like Nativity scenes.”
Pastor Lorick said Saturday’s rally was peaceful and included speeches, patriotic music, Christmas carols and prayers. Nevertheless, he said they intended to send a message to the nation.

“It is time for Christians in America to stand up, show up and speak up,” he said. “We believe that it is time to lead America back to the biblical and Christian values and morals that have made our nation so great since its birth.”
Pastor Lorick said he’s received hundreds of calls and email from across the country — and he was overwhelmed by the size of Saturday’s crowd.
“I do hope that people across the nation will take note and know that they too can stand up and speak up,” Lorick said. “All I can tell you is that my eyes have been opened to a large number of people who want to see us fight for our faith.”

http://bit.ly/uQve2D

It’s about time, too. Christians have all too often laid back and let these politically correct groups have their way. Time we stood up and said, NO.
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December 19, 2011 11:08am
Scott Chris

Falafulu Fisi says:- “I would be interested to see your explanation of how dark matter had come to be hypothesized that it exist in the first place?”

No one knows. Presumably it was created just after the big bang. Could be the hypothetical supersymmetrical partical known as a type of nutralino.
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December 19, 2011 11:11am
Other_Andy

@dime

“We are running into the limits of this country’s resources.”

From 1900, New Zealand’s population has doubled every 50 years and now stands at about 4.4 million.
In 2009–10, an annual target of 45,000–50,000 permanent residence approvals was set by the New Zealand Immigration Service—more than one new migrant for every 100 New Zealand residents.

If we are running into the limits of this country’s resources, what is his proposed ‘population target’?
Does any party have a ‘population target’?
Or is immigration something you don’t talk about?
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December 19, 2011 11:14am
wat dabney

“It’s a mugs game. I don’t buy lotto tickets.”

A huge number of people are regularly doing something and you don’t understand why, so you conclude that they must all be stupid.
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December 19, 2011 11:16am
dime

scott – i dont think everyone gets 80% back.

its like pokie machines – we may 80% back. but many people walk away with fuck all while someone else wins big.
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December 19, 2011 11:18am
pollywog

Wellington City Council CEO $419,230
Auckland City Council CEO $743.000
Christchurch City Council CEO $538,529

Everybody has a hard time making ends meet and they are rewarding themselves with pay rises, the equivalent of a families wage.

It is time the Government steps in and cuts them down to size.

remember what i said about capping executive salaries the other day ?

If employers private or public are going to pay executives obscene amounts beyond their worth, then gov’t should tax the fuck out of them and redistribute or re-invest it.

…but of course gov’t is in on the rort as well with all their perks and payrises and it’s ideologically impossible for National to even contemplate raising top earner taxes.

oh well…when the banks finally go belly up, all that less than hard earned dosh will be wiped clean out along with the debt owed by the great unwashed.
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December 19, 2011 11:20am
dime

so the cops are charging the two pieces of shit that beat up the 14 year old girl. but i hear on the radio a 3rd girl filmed the thing??

i guess she cant be charged with anything? accessory maybe? either way, all 3 are disgraceful human beings.

i had my share of scraps growing up, i never ganged up one anyone. its fucking wrong.
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December 19, 2011 11:21am
reid

Awesome crop circles and sand sculptures. The markings in the disc you see on the alien one is actually binary code. Forget what it says.

http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/1890607/Awesome+Nature+Art+compilation+part+3/

What do do when you’re bored:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IqyFJtt3g

Awesome time lapse – warning, those running WebMarshall will get caught in the language – and you can’t seem to maximise the clip, I tried three times and had to reload the page to recover – just wouldn’t work, but for those not at work who don’t give a shit anymore for awhile about firewalls and WebMarshall et al, it’s fucking awesome…

http://www.funnyjunk.com/youtube/2546844/fucking+awesome+nature+time+lapse/
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December 19, 2011 11:23am
pollywog

linky thing dime ?
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December 19, 2011 11:25am
dime

pollywog – what the fuck? capping what private business can pay? hahahaha what business is that of yours? unless youre a share holder of course.

politics of envy much?
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December 19, 2011 11:25am
Scott Chris

wat dabney says:- “A huge number of people are regularly doing something and you don’t understand why”

If you read what I said, I state that they get value for money through the entertainment it provides. On the other hand, if I were to buy a ticket, I would be a fool because I know the odds, and I don’t get the entertainment value because I don’t have a fool’s hope of winning.

So yeah, most people are semi-numerate.
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December 19, 2011 11:28am
Other_Andy

@dime

“capping what private business can pay?”

Nope.
But what to do with all those greedy ‘civil servants’?
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December 19, 2011 11:30am
Falafulu Fisi

Scott Chris…

No one knows.

But the fact that scientists suspect that something is missing or supposed to be there, must come from some known empirical laws and this is where a hypothesis arise. The hypothesis didn’t arise out of thin air or come by a psychic dream. It must have come from our understanding of current known empirical laws. Can I hypothesis the existence of God? Sure, but what empirical law/s that my hypothesis is based on in the first place? There is none? No theoretical empirical laws nor any observations that give me some hints that my hypothesis may be valid. So, my God hypothesis is just that. A figment of my imagination or just wishful thinking.

Here is your reply to me on the GD thread yesterday:

Scott Chris…

Falafulu Fisi says:- “calculation of conservation laws showed that there’s something missing mass in the universe”

Rubbish.

The existence of dark matter is inferred from the rotation of galaxies. (and has subsequently been seen to have a gravitational lensing effect on the cosmic background microwave radiation)

Can you elaborate on this inference of dark matter existence from rotation of galaxies? What inference is this based on? What empirical law/s? Is it empirical conservation laws or not?

If you’re ready to concede, then my assertion is resolved. We can move on.
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December 19, 2011 11:31am
wat dabney

“If you read what I said…”

A “mugs game” I believe is the term you used.
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December 19, 2011 11:31am
pollywog

envy…PFFFFFFFFFFFFFT !

Politics of inequality and social consciousness dime.

Not politics of greed and social darwinism.
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December 19, 2011 11:33am
dime

andy – the christchurch guys pay looks a touch too much. i imagine hes some len brown type loser with no commercial value 😛

but i dont really know what he does or who he is so its hard to tell.

the amount seems excessive. the pay rise certainly does in this economy
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December 19, 2011 11:34am
AnnaL

Todays Herald: Mr Shearer said mending fences between Labour’s various factions, including that which supported Mr Cunliffe and Ms Mahuta, was not the principal factor in the overhaul of the front bench. “We’re basing our line-up on talent really as the number one criteria and there’s plenty of talent no matter who supported who.”

As the Debates showed that Cunliffe was one of the most talented MP in a generation, and as Mallard made sure he was not an insider in the Goff regime, this announcement by Shearer must mean that Cunliffew has a VERY senior role.
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December 19, 2011 11:35am
backster

“Wellington City Council CEO $419,230
Auckland City Council CEO $743.000
Christchurch City Council CEO $538,529”

Yep they bid up each others salaries, then relativity spreads down among the subordinates each level bloating their staff numbers to justify the status of the wage levels. Relativity reigns supreme in Local Government but it doesn’t matter because the extra expense can be covered by a rate increase.
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December 19, 2011 11:35am
reid

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-real-life-supervillains-of-christmas/

This answers the question nasska raised yesterday about how does Santa manage all those deliveries. Apparently it’s not by the goodwill of millions of children, as I suggested:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16906_the-real-santa-kind-dick.html

What kids are saying these day when they write to Santa:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/letters-from-santa/

If you’ve ever wanted to go and shoot Farm Animals with Rocket Launchers, Cambodia lets you:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16874_the-6-worst-vacations-people-actually-pay-for.html
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December 19, 2011 11:38am
pollywog

the amount seems excessive. the pay rise certainly does in this economy

imagine what executive salaries will do if state asset sales go ahead.

Where do you think the first round of power hiking price gouges will go ?… oh that’s right, it’ll be sweet with the shareholders eh as long as they got their shares and can cover the increase who gives a fuck ?

only the young and the poor and what can they do ?…express themselves the only way they can.

Arab spring could become a Kiwi spring next year.
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December 19, 2011 11:44am
reid

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_45_worst.-christmas.-ever._p20#17

Where do you think the first round of power hiking price gouges will go ?… oh that’s right, it’ll be sweet with the shareholders eh as long as they got their shares and can cover the increase who gives a fuck ?

only the young and the poor and what can they do ?…express themselves the only way they can.

Arab spring could become a Kiwi spring next year.

Let’s hope so pw. Then at last we can unleash the troops against the poor people like we’ve all been wanting to do for ages.
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December 19, 2011 11:47am
Lance

@pollywog
But what business is it of yours what a private business does?
Maybe there should be LAWS for how big a TV you can buy, think of the money that could be spent on the poor instead? All people with cars over $50K shouldn’t be allowed to vote and all shop prices should be state managed.
Lefties wet dream.
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December 19, 2011 11:50am
Scott Chris

Falufulu Fisi

What you were saying was rubbish. You were suggesting that the existence of dark matter was primarily deduced from conservation of energy laws. That is a subsequent calculation.

Simply using Newtonian physics, some guy back in 1931 (google appears to be down, so I can’t give you his name) worked out that there was a whole bunch of missing matter, as he couldn’t account for the rotational behaviour of galaxies.

Point is, if you want to communicate, don’t show off. Keep it simple.
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December 19, 2011 11:51am
jaba

Shearer’s hopes .. Cosgrove, Ardhern, Parker, Moroney and Jones all have 1 interesting thing in common .. losers BUT could still be opposition front bench spokespeople
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December 19, 2011 11:53am
travellerev

The first of the bailouts: http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/iag-australia-has-bought-the-solvent-bits-of-ami-insurance-while-you-are-going-to-pay-for-the-bad-bits/
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December 19, 2011 11:57am
Falafulu Fisi

Scott Chris …
What you were saying was rubbish. You were suggesting that the existence of dark matter was primarily deduced from conservation of energy laws. That is a subsequent calculation.

Most of subsequent/secondary laws in Physics start from conservation laws because they’re axiomatic (ie, they’re primary). There’s nothing more fundamental than the energy/mass conservation (MEC) laws (primary) in order for real objects to exist physically.

Are you saying that subsequent or secondary laws arised independently of (primary) MEC laws? Yes or No?

Again, if you’re ready to concede, then my assertion is resolved. We can move on.
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December 19, 2011 11:58am
dime

polly – do you think the increase in power prices will be as big as they were under labour? lol

id quite like to buy a heap of mighty river shares.. then sell em to the first chinese dude i can find 🙂
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December 19, 2011 12:07pm
pollywog

But what business is it of yours what a private business does?

When it fucks with the environment, rides roughshod over safety concerns, is mismanaged and forces gov’ts to bail them out with taxpayer money… well you tell me einstein !
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December 19, 2011 12:09pm
pollywog

polly – do you think the increase in power prices will be as big as they were under labour? lol

still bangin that drum eh ?…when are your right wing heroes gonna take some muthafucken responsibilty ?

id quite like to buy a heap of mighty river shares.. then sell em to the first chinese dude i can find

You and about every other kiwi mum and dad who’s able.

Yup theres some real vision and long term thinking gone into selling state assets eh ?
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December 19, 2011 12:14pm
big bruv

“Like I say. It’s a mugs game. I don’t buy lotto tickets.”

Yet you believe in god…lol
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December 19, 2011 12:17pm
Scott Chris

Falufulu Fisi

The fundamental nature of conservation laws is irrelevant in the context of the original assertion you made.

The fact remains that simple observation of the mechanical laws of motion is what led to the discovery the phenomenon known as dark matter. You claimed that its existence was originally determined by something else entirely.

So for once in your life, get over yourself and admit that you were wrong, and then we can move on.
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December 19, 2011 12:25pm
Other_Andy

And on top of the indecent pay rises they give themselves.

A majority of Auckland councillors signed off a new debt ceiling this afternoon, only 12 months after setting the last one.

The ratio of net debt as a percentage of total council revenue was today extended from 175% to 275%.
By comparison, Greece’s (The economic basket case of Europe) government debt, as a percentage of GDP, is around 140%.

Standard and Poor’s has simply got the jitters on the council’s big 10-year budget. Council officials now see a credit downgrade as imminent, and are now interestingly forecasting for one. Such a downgrade will only add to our woes, making the council’s borrowing more expensive, adding to the interest bills. The council’s finance department forecasts that a one notch downgrade alone could add an additional $12.75m to the growing annual interest bill.

http://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2011/12/council-debt-ceiling-dramatically-lifted/

Len needs to pay his voter base and Loopy Len’ s ‘economic plan’ will have a long lasting effect on the economy of Auckland and its long suffering ratepayers.
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December 19, 2011 12:27pm
immigant

pollywog

What exactly is your defenition of poor? Come on girlfriend, get some stats up there. You sound like you are ranting with no numbers to back up your wild theories.

Do you ever wonder how they stay poor when you get free school and free uni for all NZers?

Maybe the problem is not the system but the people?
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December 19, 2011 12:34pm
Falafulu Fisi

Scott Chris …

The fact remains that simple observation of the mechanical laws of motion..

And what are those mechanical laws again? Do you mean conservation laws? Mass/Energy conservation laws are also mechanical laws. How did those mechanical laws originate? Did those mechanical laws you say here arise from conservation laws? Yes or No?

led to the discovery the phenomenon known as dark matter.

They haven’t been discovered yet. They have been theorized.

Again, if you’re ready to concede, then my assertion is resolved. We can move on.
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December 19, 2011 12:42pm
Other_Andy

Now here are some things the government can do to reign in mayors such as Len.

1. Prevent ANY council from raising the debt limit above 100% unless they get special approval.
2. Prevent ANY council from raising rates above the level of inflation unless they get special approval.
3. Prevent ANY council from raising the salaries of council employees above the level of inflation unless they get special approval.
4. Limit the amount a council can spend on salaries of council employees as a percentage of total spending and the number of ratepayers.
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December 19, 2011 12:42pm
tom hunter

Bloody hell – Vaclav Havel is dead.

First Hitch and now this, while Kim Jong iL, Madinnerjacket and al-Assad live on.

I’m reminded of a guest at some Washington D.C. dinner party who – upon seeing Leni Riefenstahl and Henry Kissinger talking together – said, there is no god!
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December 19, 2011 12:50pm
pollywog

immigant

if i ignore you, do you think you can, like your mate bereal, stop trolling me for attention ?
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December 19, 2011 12:51pm
ciaron

Is it legal to park in a taxi stand IF you have a mobility card?
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December 19, 2011 12:54pm
immigant

pollywog

Just answer the question. Or is it a bit hard when you just rant all day but have no backup facts?
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December 19, 2011 12:54pm
immigant

pollywog

I’ll repeat it for you. Who do you concider “Poor” in NZ statisticaly speaking?
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December 19, 2011 12:55pm
pollywog

so thats a no then…
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December 19, 2011 1:05pm
MT_Tinman

ciaron (910) Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Is it legal to park in a taxi stand IF you have a mobility card?

Yes, as long as your For Hire light is on, your ID is visible, your car complies with current CoF and taxi regulations, you have a “P” endorsement and you remain in your car and for hire.
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December 19, 2011 1:05pm
immigant

pollywog

Answer the question, instead of posting utopian wishlist
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December 19, 2011 1:06pm
Other_Andy

Why the euro turkey is well and truly stuffed

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffrandall/8964870/Why-the-euro-turkey-is-well-and-truly-stuffed.html
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December 19, 2011 1:20pm
dime

pollywog – so we arent allowed to discuss what happened to power prices under labour? 60% increase?? those are facts.

oh no, we cant discuss that as it doesnt support your warped view on asset sales.

lets discuss what polly thinks will happen ffs

as for this “we already own them” – how come if im a part owner i have no rights? i get fuck all return too. unless youre suggesting that without them my tax rate would go up? then my return is ummm not being taxed more. yay. awesome. as a part owner i feel as though im getting fucked.
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December 19, 2011 1:21pm
pollywog

pollywog – so we arent allowed to discuss what happened to power prices under labour? 60% increase??

oh that’s been discussed to death. It’s history over, done, kaput.

Don’t be a coward, turn around and face the future if you dare then tell us what’s likely to happen if state asset sales go ahead ?

you know power prices will rise by shitloads, executive salaries will blow out, hard assets will get run down, stripped and sold off and then we’ll have to look at re-nationalising them again.

Those who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
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December 19, 2011 1:29pm
ciaron

Yes, as long as your For Hire light is on, your ID is visible, your car complies with current CoF and taxi regulations, you have a “P” endorsement and you remain in your car and for hire.

And if you are an octogenarian couple making a quick, half hour trip to the bank…

I dunno, it just made me giggle to think at some stage they would have been pissed off at someone nicking their diabled space 🙂
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December 19, 2011 1:32pm
immigant

pollywog

Way to dodge a question that will destroy your ranting.

For the amusement of our readers I’ll be you:

“Wouldn’t it be great if there were no rich and no poor, and all the rich were stripped of their wealth on an arbitrary pretence that they are too wealthy with no benchmark. And also we need to re-educate everyone to think a diffirent way so its is not cool to be rich. Also we need free everythign for teh poor and smash those fat cats for beiong too fat.And you got paid for not studying but just staying at home with your kids and listening to dubstep and maybe just DJing a little. And and and free gold fo rthose with no gold, and Lenin was right and we shoudl all follow the teaching of Marx.
Also woudl be great if everuone got one free wish that was granted and rode aroudn on magical unicorns and there was no death and you could go anywhere in the world by tapping your heels 3 times and.”

Thats what you sound like girlfriend.
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December 19, 2011 1:34pm
ciaron

Bugger nicking their disabled space
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December 19, 2011 1:40pm
dime

pollywog – lmao oh sorry, cant mention anything thats happened in the past.

i believe you are wrong in your assumption about what will happen to the state assets.

prices will stay more or less in line with where they are, there will be increases but nothing unusual. nothing as bad as what we saw under labour. assets wont be run down as the government will still have a mojority share holding. i think we will see investment in assets overseas, the share price will rise, the governments return will end up where it is now, heavily subsidised kiwisaver funds will have something to invest in and people like you will still whine because you seem to think you actually own a piece of state assets.
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December 19, 2011 1:52pm
pollywog

and i’ll be you immigant…

“Wouldn’t it be great if there were no niggers, no slopeys, no ragheads and no jappatis as we would have stripped all their indigenous land of resources, polluted all their waterways and resolved them to become slaves as that’s all they’re good for. Then we wouldn’t have the burden of educating them and paying for their incessant breeding. And you could have a concubine of 40 or so of the hotter slaves to pander to your every desire. And we could treat them like dogs and even kill them for sport while listening to black death metal and truly follow the teachings of Ayn Rand and Hitler and there would be no consequences for any action as the poor would have no rights given that you would be protected by property law because they are slaves after all “
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December 19, 2011 1:53pm
pollywog

The gov’t will be a silent partner, look the other way, take the return on dividends and let the invisible hand give the public a right spanking.

Tell me dime, how does one make the powercos run more efficiently and increase profits under private mamangement ?
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December 19, 2011 1:58pm
DavidC

Re: poverty
I remember seeing somewhere on a blog a chart that spelt out what people (in USA) who were defined as being in ‘poverty” owned and had access to. I cant find the dammed thing tho.
I remember that 97% of Americans in poverty owned a refrigerator, 80 odd % owned a TV and 60% had air-conditioning! similar percentages for games consoles and cars.
Broke as huh?
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December 19, 2011 2:02pm
immigant

Haha nice one.

See how I just saterised you, but you turned around and insulted me the best you could. I knew I’d make you snap.
The fact that you are a badly educated, envious, country bumpkin makes trolling you a lot like shooting fish in a barrel.

Let that hate out. Rememeber envy leads to hate, hate is the path to the dark side.
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December 19, 2011 2:03pm
immigant

Pollywog

How about answering that question tho. Who do you consider ‘poor’ in NZ. I think it is crux to all you ranting. Come on sunshine, you can do it, I know numbers are hard but I’m sure you can squeez it out for the good of the downtroden slaves.
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December 19, 2011 2:05pm
pollywog

but you turned around and insulted me the best you could.

not even ow…
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December 19, 2011 2:10pm
dime

pollywog – the power companies have spent the last year or so preparing to be floated. i imagine they are quite efficient as they are.

utilities arent a growth stock though. they arent expect to see 20% growth a year etc. they are a safe dividend stock.

i think we will see the companies invest overseas. let some other country scream how “our money is going to NZ”.
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December 19, 2011 2:15pm
immigant

Still waiting for the answer to: “Who do you consider poor?” I just want to make sure that I’m allowed to line up for my free gold and when you bring your New World Order in.
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December 19, 2011 2:15pm
pollywog

i imagine they are quite efficient as they are.

i think we will see the companies invest overseas.

not broke but gonna fix em anyway…

and how do you see them generating the capital to invest overseas…gouging the consumer and leveraging the hard assets up the wazoo to borrow shitloads just to play high stakes gambling in a foreign land knowing if it all turns to shit the gov’t will bail them out ?
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December 19, 2011 2:22pm
dime

Utilities aren’t usually classified as high risk pollywog. I guess Chernobyl is?? God forbid a business tries to grow.

No need to grow the economy – just redistribute!
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December 19, 2011 2:34pm
pollywog

Theres no need for them to grow beyond the need to service our needs with cheap power.

Sure grow the economy but selling state assets isn’t doing that is it ?
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December 19, 2011 2:37pm
immigant

By the way Pollywog, If you were not such a useless dubhead and did some research, you woudl have found out that NZ is one of the only countries in the world that doesn’t have an official poverty line. Moreover doesn’t collect statistics for that, officialy anyway. Hate to do you research for you, but just wanted to point out what a lazy blowhard you are.

Question still stands tho. What in your defenition is poverty? And also where will they be handing out my free gold when Labour is in power?
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December 19, 2011 2:46pm
dime

you mean selling shares in state assets..

whats wrong with freeing up capital, giving a safe investment vehicle for “kiwis” and that asset going onto to create an overseas revenue stream?

and before you say rich new zealanders, ill stop you. people with kiwisaver funds.

i personally couldnt give a fuck if some under achiever cant buy shares. we govern to the lowest common denominator far too often.

if you cant feed your kids its because youre a selfish shit head who underachieved and cant budget then bad luck.

if you dont earn enough money, take the time and up skill.
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December 19, 2011 2:47pm
pollywog

whats wrong with freeing up capital, giving a safe investment vehicle for “kiwis” and that asset going onto to create an overseas revenue stream?

There is no need to free up that capital

Giving ‘safe’ investments to replace the housing bubble isn’t growing the economy, isnt creating new business or much needed jobs that spare savings might have gone into

and that overseas revenue stream is a pipedream.

We should be looking to shore up local revenue streams. Plug the leaks instead of creating opportunities to ensure more local profits leak overseas.
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December 19, 2011 2:58pm
bereal

Talk about rising to your level of incompetence.

Comrade Ardern is elevated to No. 4 on Labours front bench.

Well the best of luck to her, she’ll need it.
Paula will be quaking in her boots having to face such a clever attack dog.

This is just about a joke. A list MP who couldn’t even win a traditional Labour seat when it was gifted to her.
i even start to feel a bit sorry for Silent T, ranked below her.
Poor old Labour, such a depth of talent.
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December 19, 2011 3:20pm
dime

There is no need to free up that capital – really? lol

Giving ‘safe’ investments to replace the housing bubble isn’t growing the economy, isnt creating new business or much needed jobs that spare savings might have gone into – was thinking more the shoddy finance companies. but i guess you hate old people who are after a reliable income

and that overseas revenue stream is a pipedream. – says who? just because you have no vision. apart from – the rich are bad.

We should be looking to shore up local revenue streams. Plug the leaks instead of creating opportunities to ensure more local profits leak overseas. – do you even know what that means?
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December 19, 2011 3:24pm
immigant

Comrade Ardern never had a real job in her life, and she is a so called NZ leader, how sad. Litteraly, look at her bio, not a single job since school. Oh wait she ‘slummed’ it in NY for a year workign in a soup kitchen.
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December 19, 2011 3:45pm
Other_Andy

I am waiting for Robyn Malcolm and the Council of Trade Union president Helen Kelly to protest against those evil film companies and Mr Evil himself (John Key) and call for a boycott to support the actors’ union.

New Zealand named as one of the world’s top film locations

“Given the current economic climate, it’s especially pleasing to see that New Zealand is an economically viable and desirable location for large budget international productions.”
Next year was already shaping up to be a big one for the New Zealand screen industry with Peter Webber’s Emperor starting filming in January, The Hobbit continuing to film (with Wellington hosting the world premiere in November) and the Jane Campion mini-series Top of the Lake filming in Queenstown late in the year, she said.
“These films aren’t even scratching the surface of the many ways New Zealand is contributing to the international screen industry and boosting our local economy.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10774166

You see, that’s what you get if you don’t listen to the oh so clever and important Robyn Malcolm and Helen Kelly.
More evil ‘fossil fuel burning’ foreign film companies spending money in New Zealand.
Well , Robyn Malcolm did warn you!
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December 19, 2011 3:51pm
dime

immigant – pathetic eh?

she came home from the UK because Labour put her on the list ffs.
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December 19, 2011 3:55pm
immigant

But she has a great arse and got her teeth fixed, so lots of pple will vote her in “cause she’s hot bro”

Never had a job but will teach us how to live. Pathetic troughing career politician. Disgusting.
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December 19, 2011 4:00pm
Other_Andy

@immigant

She is also the President of the International Union of Socialist Youth!
Don’t want to Godwin the thread but it reminds me of a similar movement.
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December 19, 2011 4:01pm
immigant

I’m deeply mistrustfull who spent ALL of their life not actualy doing any real work, or earning their money. I’m distrustfull because I’m feeling “Clark 2” the sequel in NZ’s future in 10 or so years time.
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December 19, 2011 4:08pm
reid

Possible reason why Somalia pirates keep flourishing. He raises some interesting points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdCL5_OW1sE

Re: Ardern, my hypothesis is: she’s the daughter Hulun never had, just as Hughes was “the son.” Watch her, is all I can say. Hulun has a big bag of dirty tricks and she’ll give Ardern all of them, is my prediction.
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December 19, 2011 4:10pm
jonnobanks

Kim Jong Il is dead! Whoa! Guess tom hunter was wrong with his statement above.
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December 19, 2011 4:13pm
Other_Andy

@immigant

“I’m feeling “Clark 2″ the sequel in NZ’s future in 10 or so years time.”

You might not be far from the truth as she was an advisor at the Office of Helen Clark and an ardent Clark fan.
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December 19, 2011 4:14pm
immigant

When I was in SA in 2009, we went on a Pirate Hunting cruise. This geezer with a massive ocean going launch set it up and it turns a tidy profit. Check it out.

http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/11581-Luxury-Pirate-Hunting-Cruise.html
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